Lol, im sure you guys can finish it. After a impressive performance from Livan Hernandez to earn the 46th complete game of the season, The Mets go for the sweep of the Washington Nationals tonight. Johan is arguably the most dominant pitcher in the National League and he is making no secrets about it. Johan opponents are only hitting .219 and .212(LH and RH respectivly) and he has a WHIP of 1.05! Johan has a 1.50 avg while the league average is 4.48. This guy is one of a kind and is on pace to have one hellova season. Just take a seat and enjoy a cold one. LGM!!!
May 27
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO BROTHER….
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179 comments
trs86
5/27/2009-1:47pm at 1:47 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, great reference.
Let me give Flair a little props too.
WHOOOOOOOOOOO!
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-1:47pm at 1:47 pm (UTC -4)
loll stylin and profilin lol
i had to go there with the hulkster lol
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
I saw Ric Flair in person at my old high school a few weeks ago. Wow, that guy is the poster child for “Do Not Fake ‘N Bake”.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:01pm at 2:01 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, I just saw him last week too at a local show in NC.
CaseStreet
5/27/2009-1:48pm at 1:48 pm (UTC -4)
Is it wrong to say I have a Man Crush on Johan The Great? I mean he’s much better than Daniel Murphy.
trs86
5/27/2009-1:48pm at 1:48 pm (UTC -4)
No not at all. See the Piazza page before for reference.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-1:49pm at 1:49 pm (UTC -4)
me too
metsfan4decades
5/27/2009-1:55pm at 1:55 pm (UTC -4)
Johan is King!
tkfj
5/27/2009-1:49pm at 1:49 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t want to jinx it but is there any possible way we lose this game. I just don’t see it happening. Flame away.
dentulous
5/27/2009-1:50pm at 1:50 pm (UTC -4)
well, unearned runs due to errors are my only concern. But i think the defense has settled down.
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
that been the only issue..so far 12 errors behind the great johan…they need to work on this and bring that number to a halt
trs86
5/27/2009-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
Not that I can see, ok maybe a slight chance. Hopefully we get at least some defense behind him and we should be fine.
By the way, welcome.
dwrightisking
5/27/2009-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
‘is there any possible way we lose this game’??
umm…these are the Mets!
Of course there’s a way to lose
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-1:54pm at 1:54 pm (UTC -4)
Mr. Bill?
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
well..they found ways to win the last few games…
metsfan4decades
5/27/2009-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
Welcome.
And I hope not. Maybe, after his last game and ‘the face’ he presented in the Youkilis showdown the boys in the field beyond him won’t want to risk his wrath – lol.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:01pm at 2:01 pm (UTC -4)
Since Zimmerman has already beaten the Mets this season (1 run in 5.1 IP) while the Mets had a stronger lineup, I suppose it is possible.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:02pm at 2:02 pm (UTC -4)
Zimmerman looked incredible that night. Would be nice to have a pitching prospect like that.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:08pm at 2:08 pm (UTC -4)
Indeed. But we really can’t complain since Pelfrey looks like the real deal.
Speaking of prospect pitchers, Jenrry Mejia, a diminutive Pedro-sized right hander in St. Lucie is lighting up the stat sheet and has made it to Baseball America’s radar and its weekly hot prospect list (Fernando was #2 this week, by the way).
I’d like to see more discussion of the Mets’ farm system on this site, since Mattsblog.com all but ignored it and deferred to Toby Hyde’s sub-par work. But that’s just my preference.
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-2:04pm at 2:04 pm (UTC -4)
who thought we would score 6 runs with the lineup we had yesterday….
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:09pm at 2:09 pm (UTC -4)
I sure as hell didn’t.
And I admit that when I was looking at the lineups side-by-side on the scoreboard Monday night, I was not convinced that the Mets as currently constructed were any better than the Nats.
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-2:11pm at 2:11 pm (UTC -4)
lol yea i agree..we were “evenly” matched…idk we will see what happens but as usual, johan has no room for error.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-1:50pm at 1:50 pm (UTC -4)
I love how Johan fields the ball. He takes charge when he’s on the mound. Not many pitchers do that.
GravediggerHebner
5/27/2009-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
Yesterday my piece on Sheff was going to be “Smell what the Sheff’s Got Cookin’” but I realized my lack of knowledge of and respect for wrestling made it a hollow effort at best, I’m glad I left the wrestling stuff to my esteemed senior colleague. Is it sad that I know more about Carmen Sandiego than I do about Dwayne Johnson?
trs86
5/27/2009-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, I go back MUCH further than the Rock.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-1:55pm at 1:55 pm (UTC -4)
I think I’m with you on that… sad to say… =(
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
Same here. To the days of Tito Santana, JYD, the Ultimate Warrior, and more recently nWo.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I remember all of those guys but I grew up in NWA country. Home of Flair and the Horsemen.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:03pm at 2:03 pm (UTC -4)
the Ultimate Warrior!!
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:04pm at 2:04 pm (UTC -4)
by far the best wrestler of all time. all he did was punch, kick, press guys over his head and give the big splash. to top it all off, he wore face paint and strings on his arms.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe I’m old school, but what about Junkyard Dog???
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
lmao i was eventually going to do that as i grew up with the rock and austin…ill make little subtle wrestling references in the hopes our guys can fill in the blanks ;p
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
Poll: nWo Hollywood or Wolfpack?
Hollywood.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:01pm at 2:01 pm (UTC -4)
Wolfpack for sure. Never was a big Hogan fan.
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:03pm at 2:03 pm (UTC -4)
respect-o-meter for trs:
-Before Hogan comment
no respect much props
———————————————-
^
-After Hogan comment
no respect much props
———————————————-
^
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:03pm at 2:03 pm (UTC -4)
wow, that didn’t turn out as planned.
i’ll spell it out. you were at much props and you lost two notches
trs86
5/27/2009-2:05pm at 2:05 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, sorry about that. Again, that product of NWA country. We don’t need no stinkin Hogan. LOL.
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:06pm at 2:06 pm (UTC -4)
Worst match of all time: Hogan vs. The Warrior in WCW. Both were merely shells of their former selves.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:07pm at 2:07 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, what was UW on there for a week?
joer
5/27/2009-2:03pm at 2:03 pm (UTC -4)
I get uncontrollably ANGRY when Johan doesnt get a WIN when he deserves it! It bothers the hell out of me. Its not so much for me but I want the rest of the league to know what a dominant pitcher we have. Yes they know how good he is of course but its nice to see those “W”‘s pile up. It looks extra impressive even though it doesnt mean much.
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:05pm at 2:05 pm (UTC -4)
Safe to say, he could easily be 8-0 this year and 30-3 as a Met.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:05pm at 2:05 pm (UTC -4)
It must be real discouraging to be the Nats today.. after you get complete gamed by 52 year old 42 mph throwing 368 pitches Livan, you gotta face the best pitcher in baseball. Ouch!
What do you guys think of Josh Willingham? I know he’s had injury problems and had not played well at DC, but I think he can be a steal if it works out.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:06pm at 2:06 pm (UTC -4)
If they would trade him that would be a perfect pickup.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:09pm at 2:09 pm (UTC -4)
I think the idea of Nick Johnson is getting old. I still think he would be a good addition, but with Murphy playing well at 1B (defensively), why not get an OF that can hit for power and HRs. Willingham might not be 40HR guy, but I think he’s got more pop than Nick Johnson and give up much less.
fongy2
5/27/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks but no thanks on Willingham!
Bad back, bad fielder.
We dont need any more poor fielders who
will end up on the DL sooner rather than later.
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:07pm at 2:07 pm (UTC -4)
I was thinking the DND stood for Dunkin Donuts, but obviously you know what I mean when I say Popcorn Head!!! What up Down N Dirty?
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
LOL
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:07pm at 2:07 pm (UTC -4)
He kills us. I’d rather get Cody Ross.
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-2:10pm at 2:10 pm (UTC -4)
i like cody..but i dont think we need him. They are rumblings that marlins may have some $$ issues….maybe anotehr fire sale. They are shoping dan ugly really agressivly.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:14pm at 2:14 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll take one Hanley to go please.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:15pm at 2:15 pm (UTC -4)
Or Josh Johnson to stay….
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:18pm at 2:18 pm (UTC -4)
Josh Johnson is a bona fide ace.
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
you want to supersize that lol ;p
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
No thanks.. I don’t want ARod….
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
lmao dun dun tshh
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:14pm at 2:14 pm (UTC -4)
Not a big Willingham fan. He swings at a lot of bad pitches, and he is a horrible defender. There is some pop in that bat, but I wouldn’t really want him as our fourth outfielder.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:16pm at 2:16 pm (UTC -4)
I wasn’t sure what his defense was like. He was once Marlin’s treasured #3 hitter…
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-2:18pm at 2:18 pm (UTC -4)
was he nicknamed “the hammer” or was that hermida?
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe I’m getting Willingham confused with Hermida… Crap..
trs86
5/27/2009-2:25pm at 2:25 pm (UTC -4)
It was for sure Josh the Hammer Willingham.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:25pm at 2:25 pm (UTC -4)
I think the Hammer was Hermida, could be mistaken though.
dwrightisking
5/27/2009-2:09pm at 2:09 pm (UTC -4)
AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Belliard 23 4 0 0 0 2 1 7 .174 .200 .174 .374 Zimmerman 15 5 0 0 1 4 2 2 .333 .412 .533 .945
Guzman 14 8 1 0 0 0 0 1 .571 .571 .643 1.214
Johnson 11 1 0 0 1 1 1 4 .091 .167 .364 .531
Kearns 12 2 1 0 0 0 0 3 .167 .167 .250 .417
Harris 9 1 1 0 0 0 1 2 .111 .200 .222 .422
Willingham 8 2 1 0 1 2 2 1 .250 .400 .750 1.150
Bard 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000 .000 .000 .000
Nieves 8 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 .375 .375 .375 .750
Hernandez 7 1 1 0 0 1 0 2 .143 .143 .286 .429
Dunn 4 3 0 0 1 1 1 0 .750 .800 1.500 2.300
dwrightisking
5/27/2009-2:11pm at 2:11 pm (UTC -4)
copied and pasted from baseball-reference….but didn’t come out to good…sorry
CaseStreet
5/27/2009-2:14pm at 2:14 pm (UTC -4)
is it me or is Guzman a stronger slappy?
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
LOL. I was thinking the same thing too!
There's Always '10
5/27/2009-2:18pm at 2:18 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe we should call him “Punchy”
CaseStreet
5/27/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
think Brett Myers has that name taken.
dirtysanchez
5/27/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
LMAOOO good one
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Ouch. LOL
fongy2
5/27/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Now THAT was funny!
dentulous
5/27/2009-2:32pm at 2:32 pm (UTC -4)
zing!
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
And he seems to be aging slightly less quickly.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:33pm at 2:33 pm (UTC -4)
Envisioned September lineup and rotation:
Reyes, SS
Castillo, 2B
Beltran, CF
Wright, 3B
Delgado, 1B
Sheffield, LF
Church, RF
Schneider, C
Santana
Oswalt (am I reaching too far?)
Pelfrey
Maine
Perez
Pen the same (find a way to keep Putz and get Oswalt).
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-2:36pm at 2:36 pm (UTC -4)
Oswalt would be a great addition to this team. I think Halladay fits NY better but Oswalt is a fine consolation prize…
The question is what will it cost us?
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:39pm at 2:39 pm (UTC -4)
Hey Oleo…didn’t realize you were over here. I agree that Halladay would be better, but the Jays might not be out of it in time (contrary to the way they’ve been playing the last week +). Oswalt…would it cost us FMart, Niese, and Kunz? Do you do it at that point? (I’d move Niese and Kunz in a heartbeat, but FMart?
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-2:42pm at 2:42 pm (UTC -4)
i wouldn’t trade Martinez but Niese, Murphy, Kunz are all tradeable in my eyes.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Not many I would put a stop on. Holt, Parnell, Fmart, Flores? ANYONE else?
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
agreed although Church might be useful to package in as he’s quickly losing his spot on the team…
trs86
5/27/2009-2:47pm at 2:47 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. I ask a few days ago what could a package of Niese, Church and Murphy net us?
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:50pm at 2:50 pm (UTC -4)
Great question. Hard to answer from our perspective though (since we value them differently). Hmmmm…maybe a middle of the line kind of starter?
trs86
5/27/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
So no Bedard for that?
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:47pm at 2:47 pm (UTC -4)
I’d be alright giving up Holt in the right deal.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:49pm at 2:49 pm (UTC -4)
To me Saber he is our ONLY legit pitching prospect.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:50pm at 2:50 pm (UTC -4)
I agree, but I don’t see him as a lights out kind of guy. I know where you’re coming from though.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
The jury is still out on whether Holt will develop his pitches to become an impact starter. He surely has the potential to be an impact reliever in the mold of Joba.
I think Mejia, Rustich (possibly also a reliever), Gee (I’d trade him in a second) and Niese might be viewed as legitimate prospects also to varying degrees (Mejia and Rustich with the highest upside).
Then there are guys like Moviel, Shaw, Carson, etc. who might become legit too.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:56pm at 2:56 pm (UTC -4)
True, do you think any of those guys even have #2 stuff? I thought Holt might if he could learn a couple of more pitches.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:05pm at 3:05 pm (UTC -4)
Holt and Mejia (from what I’ve read) certainly have #2 or better fastballs and it seems as if they both have that type of control, as well. It sounds like Mejia has better command of his breaking pitches but I don’t know what’s between either of their ears.
I think Rustich probably has #2 stuff too but more than likely his innings pitched will always prevent him from being a front line starter.
I doubt any of the rest have that type of ceiling.
(of course, I was speaking ceiling this whole time and not probabilities)
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:49pm at 2:49 pm (UTC -4)
After that list, the Mets highest rated prospects would probably include Ike Davis, Reese Havens, Jenrry Mejia, Josh Thole, Dillon Gee, Brant Rustich, Jeffry Marte, Nick Evans and maybe guys like Elvin Ramirez, Eric Campbell, Zach Lutz and some other unknowns.
I suppose 3 of the above might be enough to land Oswalt depending upon the number of bidders and Oswalt’s status at the time. However, from that list, only Thole is relatively close to the major leagues but Havens, Davis, Gee or Rustich could move quickly this year.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:51pm at 2:51 pm (UTC -4)
I just don’t think that would get it done Wanny. You know that teams will at least offer 1 of their top 2 prospects. Especially considering the Stro’s are not in complete rebuilding mode.
I also forgot Thole. Depending on his season and our current catching situation he too may make my list.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
What about Santos? After his performance past couple weeks, I’m sure his value went up as well. I don’t know if Omar is willing to eat Castro’s salary and just drop him.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:56pm at 2:56 pm (UTC -4)
You’re probably right (on whether that would get it done).
I guess it depends on a lot of factors, i.e. the competition for the player. Most importantly, however, what does the opposing GM think of the prospect? For example, if Mejia continues to pitch like he is right now, a GM might think he is the next Roy Oswalt and the Mets can sell high on him and 2 other legit B prospects like Havens, etc.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
Last report I read (I think in a BA chat) was that Thole’s defense was still a ways away.
However, if he continues to hit .359 like he is now his defense will matter less.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
Not a bad suggestion, brought up earlier. It just depends on what next year’s plans were. If it’s to you with Molina and Thole as the backup or just save money and go with Santos and Thole.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
LOL. You know I hate Molina but I’d pay twice his asking price if that’s what it took to keep Omir Santos from seeing significant at bats next season.
dentulous
5/27/2009-2:40pm at 2:40 pm (UTC -4)
i dunno about Oswalt anymore. He has been pretty bad this season so far.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
he’s been very good for so long that it’s probably just an anomaly. Although maybe it lowers his trade value. Either way I’d love to have him pitching for us…
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
You’re probably reaching too far but you can never underestimate Omar when it comes to acquiring a big game.
That said, I’d be careful what I gave up for Oswalt, whose massive innings/pitch totals might finally be catching up to him. He’s had five straight seasons over 200 IP, but has gone down in each of the last four from 240(!) to 208 last year.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:42pm at 2:42 pm (UTC -4)
Does anyone think we could get Bedard?
dentulous
5/27/2009-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
rumor has it the Phils are in on him. I think that was according to Fox
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
I heard that too. Rosenthal is saying that it seems like a foregone conclusion the Philths will get Oswalt, Bedard, or Peavy. If that’s true I feel like we really need to ramp up our staff.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:46pm at 2:46 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t see them getting Peavy. The other two we can’t keep them from them but we can hopefully drive the price WAY up.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:44pm at 2:44 pm (UTC -4)
YES, I think if we look for a pitcher that is who we should be in the market for. I just don’t see us looking for a pitcher. That would assume that Delgado and Reyes comeback healthy, Sheff continues to hit and Church finds his swing.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:46pm at 2:46 pm (UTC -4)
I agree that I’m making a health assumption, but it’s a reasonable assumption. Would you rather have a pitcher or a hitter? I think I would rather have a pitcher.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:49pm at 2:49 pm (UTC -4)
If you told me all of those guys were going to be back and healthy no doubt. But I don’t trust Delgado, Sheff, Church and Murphy.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
Totally agree. Of that list I have the most confidence in Sheffield… (can’t believe I just typed that).
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-2:50pm at 2:50 pm (UTC -4)
the way i see it, even with our injury problems, we will be leading the division going into September. Assuming Sheffield is still productive we wont need another bat then. The rotation is another story. Yes, Maine and Pelfrey have been very good lately but I’m not ready to consider them reliable just yet.
I’d be much more comfortable with going into a series with Santana, Oswalt, Pelfrey, Maine then Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Livan.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
That’s EXACTLY how I feel Oleo.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
could Niese, Murphy, Kunz and Church close the deal??
trs86
5/27/2009-2:58pm at 2:58 pm (UTC -4)
If Kunz had any value I would say yes. What if you threw a Havens in there for Kunz?
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:58pm at 2:58 pm (UTC -4)
I can’t imagine Kunz has any value at all right now. And I don’t think Niese is particularly special but he probably has a high probability as a 4 or 5.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
replace Kunz with Mejia?
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
Niese, Murphy, Mejia and Church is probably a competitive offer, assuming they have a place to put Murphy.
It offers 3 young guys who can play right away (to varying degrees), one of whom (Murphy) still has a lot of upside and has an under the radar but probably top notch prospect.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:09pm at 3:09 pm (UTC -4)
Now the question is, is that too much?
I for one would not be sad to see any of them go but for Mejia and I just have not seen enough of him to comment.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:12pm at 3:12 pm (UTC -4)
besides Mejia (who we have no idea what he is going to do) none of the other 3 players are going to better than Oswalt is right now.
You have to make that move…
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
I think if you would not care to lose 3 of the 4 then you can’t complain about trading an A-level pitcher for a guy who can give you a legitimate chance in the postseason this year.
I, of course, would due my due dilligence on Oswalt’s health.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:16pm at 3:16 pm (UTC -4)
I tend to agree, but I am usually to trade happy anyway
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:21pm at 3:21 pm (UTC -4)
Let’s say this trade was made.
Does this mean the Mets are now committed to Fernando in RF?
The other option would be Tatis/Pagan/Reed? And this assumes that Sheffield will last in LF.
Risky to say the least.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:29pm at 3:29 pm (UTC -4)
True, but at this point are we any more solid with Church. IF everyone was back, all we were asking Church to be was a #7 hitter. Don’t you think those guys could do that?
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
I think Tatis can be a 7th hitter but not the other guys. At the same time, Tatis probably is not a regular RFer defensively, while the others guys could be.
I guess you could have Reed as Tatis defensive replacement and Pagan as Sheffield’s.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
I know this topic is dead but I think even Fmart in the 7 hole or Castro there and Reed in the 8 spot is passable for sure.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:56pm at 2:56 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know if that’s enough. Do they want Holt instead of Kunz?
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
I think Bedard would be an easier get than Oswalt.
I can’t imagine there won’t be enough teams in on Oswalt to drive the price up to include F-Mart at a bare minimum.
fongy2
5/27/2009-2:47pm at 2:47 pm (UTC -4)
I’d be very,very careful on
Bedard Wanny.
Not sure how good he really
is.
trs86
5/27/2009-2:48pm at 2:48 pm (UTC -4)
True, but it’s just a point of who we want to give up or keep. Personally I want to stay away from giving up Fmart, Flores, Holt, or Parnell. That for sure puts us out of the running for a real ace.
fongy2
5/27/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
understood and agree.
At this point with Ollie still
yet to contribute and b/c
of our injury situation
I think any other moves should be small in nature.
At least for now.
I don’t want to give up
Parnell,FmArt,
Holt,Mejias,or Flores.
Yet.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-2:59pm at 2:59 pm (UTC -4)
Ollie can contribute in AAA. The Mets are doing fine without him…
dentulous
5/27/2009-3:03pm at 3:03 pm (UTC -4)
while true, I am sure the Wilpons will want to get something out of him. 12 mils/year for 3 years down the drain so far.
Unfortunately he will be back
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:48pm at 2:48 pm (UTC -4)
I think he’s a great pitcher, but there are definitely huge health concerns.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-2:50pm at 2:50 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t disagree, Fong. I just think he’d cost less in the way of prospects than Oswalt.
fongy2
5/27/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
Understood and I agree w/the thoughts on Oswalt.
Love the guy BUT AlOT
of innings on that small frame.
Just our luck
we’d get him
and he’d break down
while Niese,
and/or Holt become 15gm winners for the ‘stros.
GravediggerHebner
5/27/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
When Bedard was traded to Seattle I remember seeing an inteview on TV with Brian Roberts who kept saying things about Bedard along the lines of he would do well in Seattle because he’s not an east coast guy, he likes to keep to himself, and he’s happiest in the off season when he’s at his remote Canadian hunting lodge for weeks. Good luck with that Philly.
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
Wow, hadn’t heard that. That seems to imply Philly or here would be too much for Bedard.
fongy2
5/27/2009-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
Hello Kevin McReynolds!
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:16pm at 3:16 pm (UTC -4)
Part I or Part II?
trs86
5/27/2009-3:00pm at 3:00 pm (UTC -4)
If we picked up a lower end pitcher, I still like Washburn. He would be mostly a salary dump and CAN be very effective.
fongy2
5/27/2009-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
Think Washburn just came up lame during the weekend.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, did not see that. He was doing well this season.
fongy2
5/27/2009-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, always
kinda liked him
myself.
fongy2
5/27/2009-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
Gotta get something out of Ollie,
Eventually.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
I think even if he comes back, he’ll still be inconsistent. I think that’s just who Ollie is. If he were to be a dominant pitcher or #2 type of pitcher, he’d be one by now. Clearly he’s not. He’s inconsistent and I just think we have to accept that.
dentulous
5/27/2009-3:05pm at 3:05 pm (UTC -4)
exactly, the guy is 27. Not that young anymore.
fongy2
5/27/2009-3:06pm at 3:06 pm (UTC -4)
A little hard to predict what(if any thing) we get from Ollie. We do know however that he will be
back here soon. Wilpons not gonna let
Omar pay him 12 mil to
star in Buffalo.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah.. unfortunately that’s the reality of current baseball. If you get paid a lot, you must start no matter what. Except for Sheffield!
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-3:11pm at 3:11 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed DND. Ollie is a #4 or #5 with ace stuff at times.
dentulous
5/27/2009-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
exactly. It would be nice to bury him at AAA, but he will be back. Lets just hope he gets something figured out while down there.
GravediggerHebner
5/27/2009-3:05pm at 3:05 pm (UTC -4)
He’s already remembered how to walk batters!
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:09pm at 3:09 pm (UTC -4)
and dont forget how he cant last 5 innings!
fongy2
5/27/2009-3:10pm at 3:10 pm (UTC -4)
Are we the only
team that always has 20mil+ worth of
players on the
DL? And man talk about bad
spending habits..
Ollie&Redding=
15 million for
almost no production.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
Man, I think Dirty posted it earlier. We are around million counting Perez, Delgado, Reyes, Wagner, Church, Schneider, Cora
dentulous
5/27/2009-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
well, Redding wasnt bad his first start. BoSox just always get to him. Ill wait to see a few more games before judging the move.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
True, without Redding right now it would be the Niese show. Scary.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:20pm at 3:20 pm (UTC -4)
As good as Niese’s curveball looks and as often as the announcers talk about his poise — I still see that deer in headlights look.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:30pm at 3:30 pm (UTC -4)
he and Nick the Stick have the same look
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
that 15 million could have been old man Derek Lowe.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
Add a little to that. But I still think Lowe wanted to be in Atlanta. Remember back before the offseason really got going Lowe said he did not want to go back to the Northeast unless it was Boston. I think his agent slapped him and they changed their message.
fongy2
5/27/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
Wasnt goona say it BUT THAT was my thought.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:08pm at 3:08 pm (UTC -4)
He is on the DL, correct? If so, they can’t leave him in AAA forever.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:09pm at 3:09 pm (UTC -4)
VERY true. Once his planned DL stint is up then they have to do something with him.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
can’t they just waive him?
sabermetrician
5/27/2009-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
You’d still have to pay him if you did that. Might as well try to get something out of the 36 mil.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
but he hurts us more than he helps. sometimes you just have to cut your losses…
trs86
5/27/2009-3:16pm at 3:16 pm (UTC -4)
Too early to do that Oleo, there is still a good chance he can come back and at LEAST be a #5.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
i’ve watched him throw games away too many times. He’s just a ripple effect. not only does he cost us when he’s on the mound but then Feliciano, Parnell, Green etc. have to pitch more innings and then you have an overworked bullpen.
I guess hes not much worse than Redding or Niese but I wouldnt start him over Livan thats for sure…
trs86
5/27/2009-3:20pm at 3:20 pm (UTC -4)
At this point for sure, but at this point he would JUST have to be better than Redding.
dentulous
5/27/2009-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
I cant imagine what they will do if he just stinks it up 90% of the time he is up. Any chance they ever release him or something? He just seems so bad right now and we may never catch a glimpse of Good Ollie again
trs86
5/27/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
Eh, they could trade him for another bad contract or eat a lot of salary if they needed to. After this year it’s only 2/24. Take a look at what Silva is getting.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
And Detroit signs Ollie for a league min. That’ll be funny.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
LOL and eat 34 million. So yes the could but no they won’t. Might as well let him rot than to do that.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
If no one claimed him — and no one would — the Mets would be on the hook for his entire salary, minus the league minimum that someone else would pay him.
fongy2
5/27/2009-3:18pm at 3:18 pm (UTC -4)
Fellas, I’m out for a while.
Check back back during the game.
Kudos again to those responsible for setting this up. Great job!
Later!
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
Since we are trading him in the scenario above, here is what BA has to say about Mejia on its Prospect Hot Sheet:
Team: high Class A St. Lucie (Florida State)
Age: 19
Why He’s Here: 1-0, 1.82, 7 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 7 SO
The Scoop: Mejia is about the most unconventional prospect imaginable. He’s 6-feet, tops, and weighs in at about 165 pounds. He’s very athletic, though, and his action is clean, helping him regularly touch 94-96 mph. One scout this year described his offspeed pitch as a fosh change—others have dubbed it a straight change, a split or a cutter—but whatever hybrid it is, it’s an out pitch. The scout also liked Mejia’s curveball, though he noted that the righthander lost confidence in it and didn’t use it enough.
Mejia signed out of the Dominican Republic in April ’07 with little fanfare, yet here he is at age 19, one of the FSL’s youngest players. And the really scary part is that over his last four starts he’s gone 3-0, 0.35, surrendering just three runs (one earned, and with no homers) and 16 hits in 26 innings. He struck out 19 and walked three in that span, completing eight innings of work once and seven another time, to move into second place in the FSL’s ERA race at 1.82.
For the season he is 3-1, 1.82 ERA in 39 innings with 31 hits, 11BB and 33Ks (1.06 WHIP) as a 19 year old in HiA!
trs86
5/27/2009-3:20pm at 3:20 pm (UTC -4)
Hopefully they at least move him up the latter a little so we can get a look.
wannybackstra
5/27/2009-3:23pm at 3:23 pm (UTC -4)
Conventional wisdom would be to leave a 19 year old alone in HiA because he probably belongs in Low A anyway. Therefore, Omar may have him up in AAA before the season is done.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:28pm at 3:28 pm (UTC -4)
well considering how bad Binghamton and Buffalo are he might be up there rather quickly
trs86
5/27/2009-3:28pm at 3:28 pm (UTC -4)
Ok I was thinking just AA by the end of the year but why not.
DNDJohan aka kistics
5/27/2009-3:23pm at 3:23 pm (UTC -4)
Here’s an idea. How about we pay Ramon Mart to secretly change his first name to Fernando… and Trade him as F-Mart. We can then trade F-Mart (R-Mart) and Niese for Oswalt.
trs86
5/27/2009-3:28pm at 3:28 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah and they would trade us the some guy named Oz Walt.
oleosmirf
5/27/2009-3:29pm at 3:29 pm (UTC -4)
isnt he on the Padres?