Per The New York Post,
 ”The Mets and the Phillies both will be in the market for a starting pitcher. The difference is the Phillies will be seeking a top-of-the-rotation guy to replace Brett Myers, while the Mets inevitably will be searching soon for a bottom of the rotation guy to step in for Tim Redding, who didn’t have a clue yesterday afternoon, much less an out pitch. Hmmm, wonder which role Pedro Martinez might be able to fill. So the Mets will be scouring the market that always features bottom-of-the-rotation starters who make too much money. They might look to Boston, which has an excess, but what would they have to deal in order to be able to come away with, say, Tim Wakefield?”
When we last heard from Pedro, he wanted $5,000,000 for 2009. Here’s what we became accustomed to when Pedro donned a Mets uniform, courtesy of Wikipedia.
“His unexpectedly strong finish in 2007 raised hopes, but 2008 was a lost season for Martinez. He was injured just four innings into his first game of the season, an April 1 no-decision against the Florida Marlins. He later told reporters he’d felt a “pop” in his left leg. Martinez was diagnosed with a strained hamstring[7] and did not return to action for more than two months. Following his return, his fastball typically topped out in the 90-91mph range[8], a lower velocity than he’d had during his prime but slightly higher than in recent seasons. Martinez finished the season on a low note, losing all three of his decisions in September en route to a 5–6 record, the first losing record of his career. (Martinez was 0–1 in two appearances in 1992.) His 5.61 ERA and 1.57 WHIP were also Martinez’s worst ever, and for the first time in his career, he failed to strike out at least twice as many batters as he walked (87–44).
During his four-year Met contract, Martinez was 32–23 in 79 starts, with a 3.88 ERA and a 1.16 WHIP.”
 Worth $5M? Well, what other options do we have? In his 3 starts, Tim 
Redding has pitched like the nerdy looking kid from The Bad News Bears flick. It’s only 3 starts, but his era is already at 9.20 with a WHIP of 1.91 after coming off the DL for shoulder fatigue. Not gonna cut it. Redding signed a 1-yr deal worth $2.25M.
 The other option of course is Oliver Perez. Ugh. Grave, over the weekend, posted of another setback for Dizzy. An MRI on Thursday revealed a patellar tendinitis. He’s been on the DL since May 6th.
 A list of Starting Pitchers still available via free agency-
Paul Byrd (38) – Type B, offered arb
Adam Eaton (31)
Freddy Garcia (34)
Orlando Hernandez (43)
Chuck James (27)
Mark Mulder (31)
Odalis Perez (32)
Kenny Rogers (44)
Ben Sheets (30) – Type A, offered arb
 Everyone please control your enthusiasm. So what do you guys think? Start talks with Pedro and negotiate a reasonable deal? Give Redding another shot to redeem himself? Pray that God feels sorry for Oliver Perez, and gives him a new head? Or perhaps give the new kid, Braodway, a shot?Â
Your thoughts?
240 comments
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
Kenny Rogers… Wow.
prismo
6/1/2009-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Nah, we have in-house options. Firstly, Ollie will be back…whether you like it or not! Secondly, I think a few pitchers in the minors could pitch better than Redding, at the very least. Ben Sheets is worth keeping an eye on for later in the season though.
oleosmirf
6/1/2009-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
Niese is getting killed in AAA (so is pretty much everyone else except Figueroa and Casey Fossum). Ollie is terrible and Redding is just as bad.
I’d give Broadway a shot first but if he cant get the job done then I would definitely be willing to risk a million or 2 on Pedro
trs86
6/1/2009-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
Isn’t Fossum with the Yankee’s now?
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
You may be right. Whether we like it or not, he’s coming back. Getting paid way too much to be in the minors and come off the bench. Maybe a little Tonya Harding action could keep him on the DL??? Just a thought.
jaded1983
6/1/2009-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
Ben Sheets – Pick him up on the cheap with a club option for next year. Figure Redding gets another start or two or three before Ollie comes back. If Ollie flounders (or anyone else for that reason) Sheets would be a great person to take a flier on. If he can remain healthy (BIG IF) he would be pretty nice to slot in behind Johan next year.
If no Sheets, then I’d concentrate on a bat by the deadline and see who we could aquire in the offseason Pitching wise. Santana, Maine, Pelf, and Livan are all pitching well to very well. Another bat in the lineup could help with the deficiences in Redding/Ollie/Figs/Niese/etc’s games.
What do you guys think?
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
Since I highly doubt we’re going for a bat come the trading deadline, I highly think the focus will be on pitching. Where the Post got Tim Wakefield from, I dont know, but def. a 3-5 SP caliber and like you said, maybe Sheets on a reasonable contract.
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
Damn, I “highly” use the word “highly”.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
I’m DVRing all the games so I can hear GKR go all Susan Waltman when there’s the first Pedro sighting at Citi
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
“OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!!”
“I know when to go under the table…”
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
good job qnz on the post
Me and real were going back and forth on this. I got a qeustion though..do the mets have to give up picks for signing ben sheets AFTER the ASB??
Also i say no to pedro…i think we are fine with our pitching the way it is. Ollie will not be down forever and will eventualy play. This will move redding to the bullpen and our rotation as follows
Santana/Pelf/Maine/Ollie/Livan-this is a fine rotation that does not requrie any trades of prospects or increase in payroll. I knwo people say we should shoot for oswalt or someone like that but then he would just be taking maines place as im sure he would be included in that trade…so what does that really fix?
You would still have ollie and livan in the back end of the rotation and just a better/more expensive/older pitcher than maine…I just dont see us getting anything reg pitching unless redding goes down again in which the mets will probably bite the bullet(knowing them) and sign pedro because well…hes pedro.
jaded1983
6/1/2009-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
I hope the Mets dont move Maine in any trades. I agree with you Dirty that he would most likely be moved in a deal for Oswalt, but Maine proved in ’07 and so far in ’09 that he is a pretty darn good pitcher, just needs to be healthy.
Trading Maine would be counterproductive since he is a good #2-#3 pitcher, cheap, controlable, YOUNG, etc. He has also been going deeper into his games this year (everyone’s one major complaint about him)
The mets would be foolish to trade him for short term gain as him, Pelf, and Super Santana will be the core of our rotation for years to come.
oleosmirf
6/1/2009-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
well if we could get Halladay (the #2 pitcher in baseball IMO) and keep him here for the next 2-3 years then i would be willing to give up Maine, Murphy, Church and Niese for him…
Johan, Doc, and Pelfrey would give us easily the best 1-2-3 in the game…
jaded1983
6/1/2009-11:44am at 11:44 am (UTC -4)
Mmmmm Halladay IS an intruiging option! Still wonder if we’d have to give up Maine in that deal, wonder if we could substitute Gee, or a position player.
Superman/Halladay/Pelf/Maine/Ollie or Livan…wow haha
oleosmirf
6/1/2009-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
Halladay might even be better than Santana in the National League…
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
Toronto is still a winning team despite their 9 game skid. Theyve def. come down to Earth. Whether the Jays would be in a position to be sellers come late July remains to be seen.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
blasphemy
All Hail King Santana!
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
If Halladay is on the market, Mets need to give up FMart to get him.
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
without a doubt. If Omar wasnt willing to give him up for Santana. Would he for Doc?
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
Also got to take into account that after Halladay, the Jays’ Pitching Staff is mediocre at best. I think Maine would have to be included in a deal.
ralstar
6/1/2009-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
Maine, Murph, Church and Niese won’t get Doc, IMO. As much as I like that group, the Jays will be able to get a lot more for him. Any chance we would have for him would start with FMart. Maybe even Flores too. At that price, don’t know if it’s worth mortgaging the future for.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
agreed..that wont get them to even pick up the fone…face it halladay is NOT on the market and will never be on the market…i dont know why people even continue to entertain that idea?
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
Agree about Maine. He can be his own worse enemy but some recent outings have shown that he can bounce back after getting roughed up in early innings.
And Dirty, good question about the draft picks, but I dont think it matters if he’s signed before or after the ASB, its still 2009. Could be wrong.
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-12:26pm at 12:26 pm (UTC -4)
I just looked at the CBA, and it doesn’t specify which year’s draft picks are taken as compensation. So I would assume that the Type A’s and Type B’s are going to cost us draft picks, before or after the ASB. They stop costing us when the new list comes out, at which point one would think that the unsigned Type A’s and B’s would lose that status, since their 2 year average would’ve become the average of one good year, and a big fat zero for the second.
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:29pm at 12:29 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for the insight!
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
On the other hand, in http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090205&content_id=3801488&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp we have this:
Now it appears the Brewers will not get any compensation for Sheets (the Draft begins June 9, and if Sheets remains unsigned at that time, the Brewers get nothing), who has been dogged by injuries throughout an otherwise stellar Major League career. He has appeared on four NL All-Star teams but has also been on the disabled list six times, mostly for shoulder issues.
I’m confused.
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
Like Michael Jacson in a room filled with beautiful women. lol
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
*Jackson. (ah crap, that ruined the joke)
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
agreed..i just dont think they “NEED” to get a oswalt right now. The ollie situation just complicates EVERYTHING. They cannot move him and he really isnt going to give us much. Livan has done his job in the #5 spot so really where does pedro or anybody fit? I just dont understand
oleosmirf
6/1/2009-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
why does it matter if they increase payroll? I want the best pitcher we can get without giving up any of our important prospects (unless we get Halliday)
Ollie, Redding, Niese, Knight, Figueroa, Fossum, etc. are not going to give us anything. Could Pedro stink? Yes he could but I dont see how it hurts to try?
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:56am at 11:56 am (UTC -4)
+1
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
Isn’t Sheets pretty much set to go to Texas?
I would hate to see the Phillies get a top of the rotation kinda guy. Hamels and Oswalt/Bedard/Peavy would be pretty deadly in a playoff series. I hope they get another Joe Blanton.
Also, isn’t Boston shopping Penny around? What do they want for him? He can be a good bottom of the rotation guy.
rustyjr
6/1/2009-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
The pedro yacht has sailed – face of we don’t know of he is even close to being game shape – he might be eating his weight in mofongo
GravediggerHebner
6/1/2009-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Ben Sheets stands out on that list, and despite his rep as injury prone I and others pointed out this offseason that over his career, which is 2 years shorter than AJ Burnett’s, Sheets has pitched MORE INNINGS than Burnett, so the injury stuff may be overblow (if that’s possible) with Sheets.
I do agree with whoever noted above that Sheets is basically in bed with Texas from what I can gather.
I think the other names on the list are just as likely to succeed as the Nieses, Broadways, Gees and Figueroas of the world. If Byrd or Mulder or any one of them that we haven’t already recycled (not Petey, not Duque) would come for cheap, why not?
GravediggerHebner
6/1/2009-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
Forgot to add: Not Kenny, not Freddy. Boy, narrowing down this disgusting list is easy!
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:44am at 11:44 am (UTC -4)
I thought Byrd said he was out, too.
GravediggerHebner
6/1/2009-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
That’s too bad, he was better than Petey was in 2008
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-12:32pm at 12:32 pm (UTC -4)
Do we even have an update on Sheets and when he’ll be ready to return? I’m not sure I see him as an option for us if he’s not ready until August at the earliest. We’ll need someone to replace Ollie and Redding way before that.
trs86
6/1/2009-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
Odalis would not be a bad pickup as he would be a LHP that could go to the pen if Ollie returned.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
I understand the hesitance w/ Pedro considering all his injuries. However, I’d do it for the right price. No matter what, Pedro is a gamer, can’t argue his heart.
Plus, I highly doubt any team would sign Pedro to a major league deal unless they’re absolutely clear that he is not injured and they’ve seen him pitch.
GravediggerHebner
6/1/2009-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
Definitely can’t argue with his heart. Other parts of his body are continually getting into arguments with his heart and losing.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, Pedro’s arm might not contain enough grit to overcompensate for all of the other problems in there….
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
I hear he’s eating his oatmeal. That enough grit for you?
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
Better be that steel-cut kind of oatmeal….with some steel shavings mixed in….
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
Has anyone other than me, MetsFan4, and Scott Boras considered the possibility that Ollie is actually injured, and that that may be why he has been pitching so horribly this year?
Go ahead, fire away, but even the most ardent Ollie-haters know that he is not anywhere NEAR this bad…..
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
Maybe his head got big. After the big off-season contract, his head got big thinking that he doesn’t need to listen to anyone. Or he just simply didn’t work out during the off-season and on DL.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
I think that the last part is what I am hoping is true, ridiculous and perverse as it may be, as he should have been in the best shape of his life this winter….he started out in the WBC, and if he was totally out of shape as Warthen later stated, he certainly could have gotten hurt throwing way too much way too early while being out of shape.
All things considered, as long as we don’t soon hear about a rotator cuff injury, this may actually be the best scenario.
Ollie returning sometime in the next few weeks or even couple of months, and pitching exactly as he has since he came here, in the number four spot would be pretty damn good. Overpaid, yes, but good for sure.
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
I thought the
WBC wouldn’t
hurt us????
Hmmm,Reyes,Delgado,Cora,Beltran,Ollie….
as Kinky Friedman says…
Anyone is miss?
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
Wright
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
I think his toe is healed by now BUT thanks!
Sometimes it stinks to be right.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
Ugh, you got me Fong….you can add JJ to the list….
But KRod is OK….I hope and pray…
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
Well you can’t say Sojo didn’t try!
Joe R
6/1/2009-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
So am I missing the sarcasm or are we really blaming the WBC for these injuries?
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:25pm at 12:25 pm (UTC -4)
some people are. I can understand the concern w/ pitchers, but not with hitters.
I guess we can also blame Spring Training for all those other injuries,
Church
Schnedier
Redding
Pelfrey
I know, it’s a stretch.
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
The WBC is a farce. MLB clubs who stake millions of dollars into a player cant get in touch with that player? Dice K throws pitches until his arm falls off.
What kind of backyard S*** is that?
Joe R
6/1/2009-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
I hope your right…but I dont know anything about Ollie and would never claim to…Yes i think its a possibility he can be this bad, we have seen points along his career that indicate he can be this bad thats why so many people cant stand him. I mean if this was Johan or Maine or Pelfrey we would be saying what is going on what is the issue..why cant they get it together??
We really dont hear that with Ollie…and the reason being is most of us think yes he really may be a nut case that just isnt that good and a player that may never get it together.
On the bright side, I hope you are 1005 correct and his struggles are from an injury.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
Good points for sure, as Ollie definitely seems to have many screws loose, in his arm and elsewhere…and he indeed may never be as good as he was in 2004 and 2007. But man, how good would we be if Johan, Maine, Pelf, and Livan keep it up and we stick the 2007 Ollie in the 4 spot??
Joe R
6/1/2009-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
Oh man! Yes I agree. It would be great especially the fact that he is a lefty!
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
Sadly, I think Ollie has one brain cell, and it’s focused on his new wife, and not on baseball.
Wasn’t the common opinion that marriage was the harbinger of maturity for him?
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
Wasn’t a common opinion, but many of us hoped that, as marriage often is a signal of maturity for a lot of people, perhaps it was for Ollie.
Maybe not.
But again, if he is injured, all of this talk may hopefully become irrelevant.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:49pm at 12:49 pm (UTC -4)
It was for Brittney Spears
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
You know I’ve always thought about stuff like that and how it affects a player. Obviously, the death of a teammate (pitcher from the Angels), can weigh heavy. A new baby can be a good and bad thing. Marriage, on the other hand would be great. Unless of ofcourse there was a paps and a shotgun involved.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
stop spreading conspiracy theories
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!
metsinnats
6/1/2009-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
I think Odalia Perez may be a good option, because he is free in the sense of not giving up prospects.
But Niese may be a better option. I’m a Star Wars guy in that I’m into lite saber.. Niese has pretty solid peripherals, such as k/9, bb/9, and is having poor luck both when he was up and now in AAA. He’s sporting an unlucky .420 BABIP when average is about .300. I know that BABIP may be higher in AAA due to field conditions and the defense behind you, but still that is unlucky by a lot. Basically, batters are hitting 100+ points higher than what is expected. His numbers show that he does not strand runners as well as the average MLB (he’s at 50%, league is ~ 70%), but that will come with time and development.
Niese’s FIP from his time in ’09 with the Mets is ridiculously low, but is projected to rise to the the low 4.2s, so about where Maine and Pelfrey currently sits. Could be a solid 4/5 guy in the rotation right now for no cost.
I would give Redding 1 more start and then consider bringing Niese back up.
Also, in comparison Lance Broadway’s numbers look worse than Niese’s. Broadway hasn’t really gotten enough innings in this year for the White Sox, but his 2008 AAA numbers make him out to be an average 5 starter if he makes it, a notch below Niese.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
I’m assuming ur screenname means ur in D.C. If so, did you see Redding pitch on a regular? Can you share ur perspective on what made him good last year, and what the difference is this year?
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll help, he stinks!
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
very insightful, I appreciate ur intelligent contribution to the conversation
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
Sometimes it ain’t
that complicated!
metsinnats
6/1/2009-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
You’re right about my screenname, but unfortunately (or fortunately, bc the Nats stink), I didn’t see Redding on the regular. But I wouldn’t say he was *good* last year – he was pretty much himself last year, a solid #5 guy. Right now for the Mets he’s pitching not as well and it’s probably because he’s a bit rusty from the injury or whatever.
If/when he gets back to his standard, he would just be a solid 5. That’s why I like Niese – he’s a solid 5 now with upside, and he’s not knocking the rust off.
fongy2
6/1/2009-11:58am at 11:58 am (UTC -4)
Kenny Rogers retired as did Byrd,
Casey Fossum re-signed and is in
Buffalo,Sheets likely won’t Pitch this
year and if he does/could I want no part of that low-life.
don’t see what the panic is though
’cause we’ve still got Redding and Ollie.Great job Omar!
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
bark
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:03pm at 12:03 pm (UTC -4)
‘afternoon to you too!
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
Well, Omar did get us KRod, JJ, Sheffield, Santos, Johan, etc, and despite horrific injuries, we are 1/2 game from first….
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah and they all
took creativity.Right?Brock,
I’m not worried actually
I feel pretty good about this group.
If I’d have told you
we’d have this rash of
injuries
and be where we
are I
think you’d have signed up
for28-21.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:12pm at 12:12 pm (UTC -4)
that wasn’t Omar, that was Steve Phillips
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:16pm at 12:16 pm (UTC -4)
Huh?
What?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
Omar is Steve Phillips’ puppet.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:28pm at 12:28 pm (UTC -4)
duh
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
Phillips got us David Wright! lol
trs86
6/1/2009-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
Fongy, I have not checked but didn’t Fossum leave and go to the Yankee’s when we DFA’d him?
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
You know YOU are correct and I am wrong.
I had clicked on his name under Buffalo/stats and saw he pitched the other
day.Just took a2nd look
and those stats are w/
Scranton so the good news is hes healthy
bad news(maybe)is hes
not w/us.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-12:20pm at 12:20 pm (UTC -4)
I thought El Duque was 25.
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:24pm at 12:24 pm (UTC -4)
on one leg!
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
Reverse the 2 and the 5.
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
Atleast! I think
he was riding into
Havana w/Fidel,Raul&Che
in ’59!
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:49pm at 12:49 pm (UTC -4)
Yea, he was riding shotty. lmao!
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
Starting Pitchers for $100 Alex,
“This 31 y/o New York native is
34-51 lifetime with a 5era,having pitched 700innings in the bigs and
has allowed almost 1100 baserunners.
He currently is a N.Y.Met,his 6th big
league team” Who is he???
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-12:28pm at 12:28 pm (UTC -4)
Who is… Tim Redding?
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
= Bad MLB Pitcher!
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
Who is Tim Redding?
I’ll take, “The Legend of Jimmy Rollins as a great major league player” for $500 Alex…
“This was Jimmy Rollins’ highest home run total prior to a career year in a bandbox in 2007.”
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
What is.. 19?
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
What is 25 in 2006 Alex.
Let’s move on!
French operas of the
1800s for $100.
darknova306
6/1/2009-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
Let’s see… who is… Tim Redding?!?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
Wright’s strike outs are very disturbing these days. I’m not saying he’s unclutch, but he strikes out way too much! What’s going on HOJO?
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:32pm at 12:32 pm (UTC -4)
too much pooty tang
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
Well he IS a cutey!
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
Really though the strange thing is his
BA is up,power
down along with
those Ks.Strange.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think it is strange that his power is down at Citi. Anyway, his homers are way down but his SLG% is not THAT far off his norm.
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
They do play half their gms on the road.June 1st and he has 3HRs.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
And his slugging percentage on the road is .548.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
His home/road splits are actually startling. Most striking is his 19BB and 19K on the road compared to 12 and 34(!) at home, in only 12 more at bats.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-12:58pm at 12:58 pm (UTC -4)
That’s gotta mean something… Maybe Wright needs a shrink….
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
It is crazy—his BA and OBP are at career high levels; runs, hits and doubles are right where they should be; and he is on pace for career highs in triples, SB, and BB.
My guess is that at the end of the year most of these numbers will wind up around his career norms, but he will have less HR.
The Ks are the real mystery here.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:51pm at 12:51 pm (UTC -4)
It looks to me like he is really pressing at home. While Citi can account for a lower SLG% it probably doesn’t account for his lack of patience and poor pitch selection. His Home/Road splits are shocking:
.271 .358 .427 at home with 12 BB and 34K(!)
On the road he’s been a beast: .405 .510 .548 with 19 BB and 19K in 12 fewer at bats.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
I agree that he will probably wind up the season with roughly the same numbers as always sans a few dingers.
It is also possible that his H/R splits, which are less than 100 at bats each, are merely coincidence at this point (but likely not).
I bet each evens out.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:37pm at 12:37 pm (UTC -4)
cutey patooty
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
Wright is up there with Dunn, Reynolds, and Howard. Except that Wright doesn’t have as many HRs. hmmmm…
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah but thats
not his history so lets
hope he’ll get
THAT straight.
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
Pooty Tang was the greatest film ever made. And as far as Wright striking out as much as he has and still has a high ba blows me away. Hitting .333 with 53 strike outs in 48 games. ouch.
darknova306
6/1/2009-12:38pm at 12:38 pm (UTC -4)
He’s striking out a lot at home, so maybe he’s just letting the idiots that boo him get into his head? If that’s the case, I’m worried, cause he’s gonne keep hearing it until he starts producing at home.
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
If that is the case,
hes never gonna be
the player we all think
he can be.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah maybe he’s pressuring way too much. Or maybe it’s his girlfriend at home…
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-12:56pm at 12:56 pm (UTC -4)
Nah, the strike outs started happening way before any boos. And to be honest, the boos dont seem that rough.
smooth
6/1/2009-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
i would give the kid Broadway a start, Redding is lost and should be DFA’d. I cant imagine Pedro coming back, i believe this organization has made a commitment to move on from him.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
Broadway has shown nothing at the major league level and next to nothing in AAA. He needs to time to just pitch and see if he can find what made him a high draft pick.
Redding has been horrible but he has had success at the major league level and can’t be judges based on 3 post-injury starts. He should get at least another couple of starts before he is given up.
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
Success?! Now THAT’s using
a word loosely!
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
Well, he’s won some games in the major leagues and has gone stretches without embarrassing himself. Fair enough?
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
Thats Fair.
AND GONE!
Whoops sorry,
just used to
hearing THAT
when hes on
the mound.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
LOL.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
and it’s OUTTA HERE!!… or is that only for the Mets players?
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-12:45pm at 12:45 pm (UTC -4)
well, his career #s vs. Pitt don’t look very good. Just as his #s against Florida didn’t look good. Interestingly, he has pretty good numbers against Philly.
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe he likes Cheesesteaks!!
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
Who is replacing Pagan now? Jesus Feliciano? Javy Valentin? Cory Sullivan? Emil Brown?
It is unbelievable how this guy can’t stay on the field.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
Omar might consider bringing up someone who can take some of the load off of Putz, Feliciano and Parnell since Jerry refuses to use Green, Stokes or Takahashi meaningfully.
Who that person is.. I don’t know. Not with Kunz and his 14 BB and 15Ks. Maybe Elmer Dessens, who is somehow closing games in AAA.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-1:03pm at 1:03 pm (UTC -4)
is he officially on the DL?
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
On WFAN this morning it was reported that he would be placed on the DL.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
Seriously any idea who to call up?
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
E-mail Brown.
R.I.P. Chris Moltisanti!
They did you wrong!
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
I never really understood why Tony killed Chris. Was it a mercy kill because he felt bad for the poor schmuck?
fongy2
6/1/2009-12:55pm at 12:55 pm (UTC -4)
Nah, Tony was still insulted
over the Clever
thing and with
the Adriana thing and Chris’Drug and
Alcohol issues
he didn’t trust
him anymore.
Regardless though the
show ended real badly.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-12:58pm at 12:58 pm (UTC -4)
Terribly.
Did you see The Wrestler? The ending was reminiscent of the end of the Sopranos.
fongy2
6/1/2009-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
I have not although I,ve been a big Mickey Rourke fan since the early 80s.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
Tony jumped off the ring? I missed that part.. LOL
I’m just playing with ya…
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-1:07pm at 1:07 pm (UTC -4)
Really? I thought he went out w/ a bang. Sort of, I’d rather go out on my terms kind of ending.
QnsNative718
6/1/2009-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
Chris was becoming a liabilty to the family because of his drug use. WAAAAAY off topic, but how did you guys like the ending?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
I thought the ending was okay… Ending was going to be criticized no matter what happened.
They can’t have a happy ending.. and can’t have Tony get killed. So, they chose somewhere in between. LOL.
Personally, I think ‘The Wire’ is a better show than the Sopranos…
fongy2
6/1/2009-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
Awful!
fongy2
6/1/2009-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
Tony deserved to die!
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
Pretty much every person on that show, with the exception of Artie Bucco, deserved something bad to happen to them!
That was my one tiny gripe with the show, that pretty much every character was, if not an outright violent criminal, at least a self-centered piece of narcissistic garbage. Tony’s kids were the worst of all! But then again, maybe that was by design….
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
Yes sir, he killed Chris because he could never be trusted to stay clean and be a responsible Capo.
I LOVED the ending. It was perfect. Now, I am partial to endings like that, which to me are real life (like the endings of Cast Away and Barton Fink, to cite two others with unresolved endings). I thought it was perfect. You don’t know if Tony gets whacked during the last verse of Don’t Stop Believing, or if he is out there doing the same stuff as we speak. And as someone who grew up in that area of NJ, that diner was as real NJ as you get.
Now, if we see David Chase get $25 mil for a Sopranos movie in the future, then my opinion may change.
But Imperioli and Frank Vincent share a VERY proud history of being the actors who got whacked in both the Sopranos and Goodfellas…there’s a future trivia question!
jonnyballgame
6/1/2009-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
Can u imagine how good this team would of been with Lowe. And it has always come down to Omar/Wilpons just going that extra mile. Now we are in an impossible situation. Can’t trade the youth, can’t get any mileage out of Redding/Perez. Didn’t the Mets slow down Wagner? Lets get him back as soon as possible, trade Putz,church, and maybe Neise/Kunz for something.
and even though Jon Garland is getting lit up.. he can’t be worth that much at this point. Give them Kunz and call it a day.
fongy2
6/1/2009-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
Hmm, didn’t see this coming.
jonnyballgame
6/1/2009-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
?????
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
And if Castillo has a bad day, you’ll get the Orlando Hudson argument.
Can’t get away from it.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
we sure could use o-dawg. anyone see him last night?
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think it had as much to do with the “extra mile” as it had to do with Ollie being latino. **Disclaimer: That was a joke.**
In all seriousness though, Lowe has been a little less than stellar in his last few starts. I agree that he’d be better for us than Ollie is in the FSL.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:10pm at 1:10 pm (UTC -4)
If Garland is getting lit up in NL West, he won’t be any better than Redding/Perez.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
Garland is an “innings eater”. Two more of those buzz words to go with: grit, heart, guts.
jonnyballgame
6/1/2009-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
Garland is definitely going to give us more than Redding. Not even a question. He got lit up by the braves in his last start but he still can pitch. Redding has nothing
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:16pm at 1:16 pm (UTC -4)
I disagree. Whenever I see him, I think Rick White. He was in our bullpen in the last trip to the World Series. While we’re at it, we should bring in Rocco Baldelli because he resembles Bubba Trammell.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
Garland stinks. His strikeout rate goes down every year and the hits keep coming.
He’s shown every sign of his overuse taking a toll on his arm.
And while he might pitch a lot of innings, no one needs to pay $7m for a lot of crappy innings. You can get three Tim Reddings to pitch the same crap as one Jon Garland and for less money.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
What we still don’t get is that it’s not always about money. We would have had to either go an extra year or really pay more than the Braves for 1 and 2 there is no indication that even then he wanted to be with the Mets.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-1:26pm at 1:26 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve never heard anything from him that suggested that he didn’t want to come to the Mets.
In fact, when he says it was obvious to him that the Mets really wanted Ollie all along, it sounded to me like he was as dumbfounded by it as I was.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:39pm at 1:39 pm (UTC -4)
Actually if you remember at the beginning of the off-season he was ask about preferences and he said he did not want to go back the the NE unless it was to Boston. I think his agent found out and slapped him and he changed his message.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-1:26pm at 1:26 pm (UTC -4)
Now Manny, on the other hand, I’m certain had no interest in coming to the Mets despite his 12 person fan club.
fongy2
6/1/2009-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
Later fellas! Have a good rest of the day! Lets Go Mets!
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
RE: French Operas of the 1800s
I buzzed in and 5 seconds later “beep beep beep”
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-1:13pm at 1:13 pm (UTC -4)
I think the problem is that we have the chips for one useful trade. And there’s really no way to rush it. We have to know if Delgado can come back. We have to know if Ollie can be fixed. Otherwise we won’t know whether to cash in the chips for an impact bat or a back of the rotation SP.
Given that, you have no real choice but to give Redding at least a couple more starts. And then you try out our AAA crew. And then see who’s in it and who’s not at the deadline, and try to pry a rental from whichever team that we can.
There is no quick miracle fix that the Mets can implement right now, with so many unknowns.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:16pm at 1:16 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, a lot will depend on getting Reyes back and healthy and then how Fmart and Murphy do. I think we will be solid 1-4 with pitching but as usual have crap from the #5.
I really thought the #5 spot would be our strength this year with Livan, Redding, Niese and Garcia all auditioning.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
i think #5 has been a strength this year…livan has done well in that role. What is throwing everything off is ollie right now as redding should not even be starting…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:21pm at 1:21 pm (UTC -4)
Yes. Stupid Ollie….
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
Is that the 3rd personality that compliments: Good Ollie and Bad Ollie?
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
I always thought it was stupid Ollie in the middle, with Good Ollie and Bad Ollie sitting on his shoulders, like an angel and a devil…still only 2 personalities.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:25pm at 1:25 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, and apparently Stupid Ollie is the dominant personality.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:28pm at 1:28 pm (UTC -4)
There are more… Lazy Ollie, Fat Ollie, Big Head Ollie, etc…
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
Chin strap beard Ollie, Shaved Head Ollie, Small Game Ollie, Skip To My Ollie, Ollie See-Ollie Do…
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
Ollie Ollie Walks-N-Free
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
How bout Really Good Every 3rd Season Ollie??
2004, 2007, 2010??
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:36pm at 1:36 pm (UTC -4)
Kingman 26,
Are you calling him Bret Saberhagen Lite?
Wow, just had a flashback to Mattsblog.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:46pm at 1:46 pm (UTC -4)
“Bret Saberhagen Lite”!! I think you have something there!
And what’s Mattsblog? Never heard of it….
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
agreed. I also believe we have the chips for maybe one trade..and theres no silver bullet for this kind of thing. We got to wait it out a bit and see what we have and will get first. The biggest string will be delgado…
trs86
6/1/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe, again it depends on the other guys. If Reyes can come out and be Reyes and Murphy/Tatis can hold down the 6 spot I think we will be fine.
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-1:27pm at 1:27 pm (UTC -4)
But are Murphy/Tatis holding down the 6th spot? I don’t get to see many live games, since I’m in India, but is it possible that Wright is striking out more since he’s not getting enough protection in the lineup hitting 5th? He might be getting frustrated and chasing pitches.
Same logic applies to Beltran’s resurgence. In the 3 spot, he has protection from Shef.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
How about someone like Gil Meche? I think he could have some success in the NL. I think he is in year 3 of a 4 year deal and getting about $10MM/season.
Last three seasons ERA (2007: 3.36, 2008: 3.98, 2009: 4.33
It’s gone up over the past few years, but I think he would be more than servicable and not too expensive.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:23pm at 1:23 pm (UTC -4)
Are the Royals completely out of it? I don’t think he will be on the market.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:25pm at 1:25 pm (UTC -4)
They aren’t completely out of it. I actually think they have a good chance of staying in it until right around the All Star break. Don’t think anyone in that division is great.
But what if the Mets offered them Murphy, Church, and Kunz? They’d have to consider it.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:29pm at 1:29 pm (UTC -4)
That’s giving up little too much for Meche isn’t it?
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:32pm at 1:32 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I think the Royals would be throwing in a bullpen arm or corner infielder in that scenario, but Meche will be the only one that mattered.
Not sure it’s too much. It can be argued that Murph has been overhyped by the fans and most don’t like Church as an everyday player. Kunz is the most promising one I would think.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
They are like 5–16 in their last 21, and their pitching has come back to reality. Greinke and Soria are really good, their pen is OK, and Meche is OK, but the rest of their starters are mediocre to awful, and their offense barely exists.
Frankly, this idea of targeting Meche has a lot of promise.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:34pm at 1:34 pm (UTC -4)
From looking at it they really need OF help. Church would be perfect. We can’t give up Murphy right now with no options for 1B. Maybe Church, Gee and Reed?
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
I really don’t mind Tatis at 1B. That’s pretty much the only position he’ll see the field from if FMart continues to progress.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:40pm at 1:40 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, but Tatis seems like he is showing that he is best suited for the bench and spot starts. The more he plays the less he accomplishes offensively, and he is a mediocre fielder at many positions.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
You can’t depend on Tatis to play everyday at 1B, I like the Murphy Tatis platoon. Church on the other hand is VERY replaceable right now.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:48pm at 1:48 pm (UTC -4)
TRS, and who is Church replacable by?
I know the answer. Just want to hear you say it.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
Angel Pagan’s replacement.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:54pm at 1:54 pm (UTC -4)
TRS,
Not the answer I was looking for. I was looking for:
Who is FMart?
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:39pm at 1:39 pm (UTC -4)
Or Kunz? We have a lot of good arms for the 7th-9th. Seems like they have a good pen though, and need bats.
I am very ready to see Church on another team.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
Kunz just does not have much value right now being that he is walking more than he is K’ing.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
That’s a really interesting idea….he was kind of like the Mariners’ Ollie for years, and they finally got sick of him. But he has talent, and maybe KC would like to part with some or all of his salary as they sink in their division.
Really interesting idea….
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:27pm at 1:27 pm (UTC -4)
Not to mention, Omar already got fleeced once in the Burgos/Banister deal. Maybe they’ll try for twice.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
I think it is fair to say that Omar does not miss Bannister.
I don’t think Meche is going anywhere. It is rare that you can find a player who wants to play in KC and I think KC recognizes that he is young enough to be part of the solution.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:31pm at 1:31 pm (UTC -4)
I still don’t call that fleeced, Omar had no idea Burgos would go out and kill someone.
Burgos was a kid that was brought up too early but had gas.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:34pm at 1:34 pm (UTC -4)
I didn’t think it was a bad trade at the time either. I would do it again today. I think it was fair for both teams. Burgos had a 95+ arm and could have helped us big time last year had that incident not happened. But if you want to evaluate the trade today, they got the better end of it.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
From looking at it they are falling quick. I don’t think they would make that move until July+. However, he might cost more than we think. 2 straight years of an under 4 ERA in the AL and a decent contract makes him worth more than cast off’s.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
So…. 2 Ollies for this team? Nice…
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
LOL! Well, that was not a perfect comparison….Meche was highly touted in the Mariners farm system, came up young, and they waited forever for him to become an ace, and KC paid so very much for him hoping the ace would finally appear.
Ollie’s 2004 and 2007 were probably better than Meche has ever been, but Meche is more consistent.
But, he is overpaid and has never reached his potential, so there are surely some parallels there.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
I’m just saying, Meche isn’t an ace, but he is better than Garland, any of the pitchers we think will be available by the deadline that we won’t be able to acquire, and most importantly better than Livan and Redding.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:44pm at 1:44 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed with all of that….and he is only 30.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:47pm at 1:47 pm (UTC -4)
And better than Ollie.
Playing on bad teams has to wear on you. Plus, he and Beltran will have some things to talk about. Not to mention, his name is Gil. We’ve had some good memories with that name…
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-1:27pm at 1:27 pm (UTC -4)
You can watch the Mets in India?
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-1:34pm at 1:34 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, on mlb.com but the main issue is the time difference. I’m asleep for most of the games. I try to catch the West Coast jaunts and some weekend games.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
dedication!
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
That IS some serious dedication. I remember staying up all night in Seattle to watch those games in Japan (in 2000 I think) but man, following them in India is impressive!
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-1:47pm at 1:47 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks
Hard to not be dedicated when I was born in New York!
trs86
6/1/2009-1:40pm at 1:40 pm (UTC -4)
By the way, WELCOME Metsfaninindia. We try to welcome all of our new guest.
metsfaninindia
6/1/2009-1:48pm at 1:48 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks Trs86! It’s fun being here!
trs86
6/1/2009-1:25pm at 1:25 pm (UTC -4)
Oh and by the way, I am an idiot. We do not have to worry about who will get called up for Pagan, it will be Cora. He is due back tomorrow anyway.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-1:28pm at 1:28 pm (UTC -4)
Ahh… I had asked earlier.
At the same time though, will they jettison one of Martinez or Valdez to bring an outfielder up?
trs86
6/1/2009-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
I think that will happen when Reyes comes back. Valdez can play OF I think he has played there a little.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-2:18pm at 2:18 pm (UTC -4)
There’s no need to keep him around as an inexperienced outfielder who can’t hit. They go to AAA and get a good defensive outfielder who can’t hit (Sullivan) or a bad defensive outfielder who can hit a little bit (Brown).
With Cora back, I don’t see a role for both Martinez and Valdez as backup infielders.
jonnyballgame
6/1/2009-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
Just for arguments sake. Do we ever consider stretching Parnell out? Lets say Billy comes back mid August, Putz finally get his act together. Do we need all those arms in the Pen?
trs86
6/1/2009-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
Not this year. I think he is very successful at what he is doing this year and will be a key to the pen.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:44pm at 1:44 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Wonder what trying to stretch himself out will do to his fastball? Look at what it’s done to Joba. He was untouchable as an 8th inning guy. Now, he is very hitable. Effective, but not nearly as good a pitcher now that he is extended.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
Besides that, he has shown nothing in the minors as a starter.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-1:43pm at 1:43 pm (UTC -4)
Real good question; my brother and I were thinking about this. My guess is that the pen is such a strength that Jerry will not tinker with it. Plus, if Parnell keeps developing and JJ does not return to being dominant, I think Parnell soon gets the 8th, and JJ is traded or his option is not picked up for next year.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
Tough to pick up a 7-digit option on a set-up guy who is inconsistent.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
Agree on Putz. Thing with him is that if he can not be successful in the 8th then he can’t be in the 7th. So he is either injured and needs some time off or he needs to be traded for other pieces. I still like working out something sending him to the Indians involving Lee and Betancourt.
jonnyballgame
6/1/2009-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
I think Parnell has grown as a pitcher. Its something to consider if we have an injury or if Billy and Putz are lights out.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:54pm at 1:54 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know.. I like Parnell as a Bullpen guy. He can flat out dominate with his fastball in 1 inning just like Joba. Parnell also has other pitches that he can throw.
I would try to develop Parnell as the future of our Bullpen.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:55pm at 1:55 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:46pm at 1:46 pm (UTC -4)
What about this trade
Putz for DeRossa and Betancourt?
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-1:49pm at 1:49 pm (UTC -4)
i would do it…
betancourt for the 7th inning
derosa for a better bench player
only hang up is if delgado doesnt come back, we would have already traded our best trade chip…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:49pm at 1:49 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think Indians are looking for a RP help. I’m sure they’ll want to get a prospect in return.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-1:50pm at 1:50 pm (UTC -4)
they are looking for bullpen/sp help..im sure they will not turn down putz though…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
But I thought they were pretty much giving up for this season… maybe I was wrong…
trs86
6/1/2009-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
But it gives them basically a free try out for him next year. They actually save money with the deal.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:50pm at 1:50 pm (UTC -4)
I’d like to do it, but not sure the Indians need Putz in that deal. Their problem is starting pitching. It’s a disaster. Carmona has been awful ever since that midges game against the Yanks.
trs86
6/1/2009-1:54pm at 1:54 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe you thrown in a Niese for an OF or a Gee?
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
I’d have to look at Betancourt’s numbers. I’d be more inclined to take it a step further and try to get Raphael Perez. Nasty lefty.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-2:14pm at 2:14 pm (UTC -4)
In the meantime, I don’t see what Putz has to offer a rebuilding team other than salary relief after this season.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-2:18pm at 2:18 pm (UTC -4)
I wouldn’t say the Indians are rebuilding. They can compete right now. Just need to make a move for a starting pitcher or four.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah I agree. I think Indians would bite on Parnell, but not Putz.
jonnyballgame
6/1/2009-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
Question. When Perez gets healthy do we have to take him back regardless of how he is pitching?
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-2:13pm at 2:13 pm (UTC -4)
If he is healthy he can not stay in AAA without his permission.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-2:16pm at 2:16 pm (UTC -4)
or we can hire jeff gilooly.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-2:11pm at 2:11 pm (UTC -4)
Parnell lets too many runners on base to be effective deep into games. As a reliever he can unload and get big strikeouts. As a starter he would wear down too quickly between the walks and stressful pitches.
metsinnats
6/1/2009-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
Why would you want to throw Niese into a trade? I really like Maine as a mid-rotation guy, and I think Niese can be as successful as Maine if given the opportunity. If we trade Niese he’ll end up like Maine on another team (a cheap throw-in that becomes the gem of the trade).
Extending Parnell in-season to a starter role would be a mistake. Bring up a AAA arm instead. If you want Parnell to start, it should be worked on over winter. Being the optimist, with the Mets going to the World Series this year, I don’t think there will be enough winter for Parnell to work on stretching himself out. Therefore, Parnell will replace Putz in ’10 if not sooner.
trs86
6/1/2009-2:34pm at 2:34 pm (UTC -4)
By the way welcome, don’t think we have seen you here before.
And I am not sure on Niese. I just have not seen anything that points to him being effective.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
I like Niese. Just think it takes longer for a pitcher to get it. Took Pelf a while, but it looks like he’s catching on.