“If we’re going to win the pennant, we’ve got to start thinking we’re not as good as we think we are.” Casey Stengel
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Here’s what you missed on Saturday, May 30, 2009:
- Meet Mr. Broadway by QnsNative718
- Morning Open Thread: Weekend Edition by CaseStreet
- Gameday Weather 5/30/09 by prismo
- It’s About Freakin’ Time by GravediggerHebner
- This Day in Mets Infamy with Rusty 5/30/09 by rustyjr
- Game Thread: Mets (27-20) vs Marlins (22-27) by dirtysanchez
- Post Game: Florida Marlins 7, New York Mets 3 by GravediggerHebner
- Why must they do this to us? by mrose
- Ollie, Ollie, Ollie, Oy!, Oy!, Oy! (Vey) by GravediggerHebner
Here’s what you missed on Sunday, May 31, 2009:
- This Day in Mets Infamy with Rusty 5/31/09 by rustyjr
- Minor League Wrap-Up by trs86
- The Real Dirty Mets Joke of The Day by trs86
- Gameday Weather 5/31/09 by prismo
- Sunday Opinion: Gary Sheffield by Kingman 26
- Game Thread: Mets (27-21) vs Marlins (23-37) by dirtysanchez
- Pagan and Maine’s early exits by prismo
- Rumors: Oswalt, DeRosa, and WSox aren’t done by trs86
- Post Game: New York Mets 3, Florida Marlins 2 by GravediggerHebner
- Man Up Awards For Sunday by dirtysanchez
- Omir Santos Is A Dog by GravediggerHebner
- April Showers Bring May Dominance by trs86
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125 comments
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-8:18am at 8:18 am (UTC -4)
Yesterday’s game was an “L” last year. Especially if Heilman was pitching the 8th and Ayala the 9th.
rustyjr
6/1/2009-8:24am at 8:24 am (UTC -4)
I agree like friday nite
trs86
6/1/2009-8:24am at 8:24 am (UTC -4)
No doubt, would not have mattered because last year Feliciano would have blown it in the 6th.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-8:25am at 8:25 am (UTC -4)
Exactly. Meanwhile, Beltran and Maine were the ones “blowing it” yesterday after the 6th.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
agreed. Omar fixing the bullpen has been a revelation and will play the difference in the mets postseason chances. like you said..last year many of our close wins would be an L. Question though..if billy wagner comes back in september right, that means we cannot use him for the playoffs right?
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-8:26am at 8:26 am (UTC -4)
I still think this weekend was a failure
prismo
6/1/2009-8:30am at 8:30 am (UTC -4)
Are you kidding me? They won 2/3 and the only game they lost was the Mets’ #5 starter vs the Marlins’ ACE. Your standards must be ridiculous.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-8:42am at 8:42 am (UTC -4)
Haha…it was a failure because Cody Ross didn’t get one between the eyes.
darknova306
6/1/2009-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Haha! Now that makes sense to me!
darknova306
6/1/2009-8:35am at 8:35 am (UTC -4)
Wow, and I thought I was a pessimist. The main issue I had was Jerry basically throwing in the towel for Saturday’s game before it even started. Other than that, I’ll take 2/3 from Florida any day, especially with how well they’ve played us in recent years.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-8:42am at 8:42 am (UTC -4)
I didn’t like the throwing in the towel either. I don’t buy into the house money thing. If you’re going to do something like that, don’t do it in your division. Wait until a Monday night game at Pittsburgh.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:01am at 9:01 am (UTC -4)
agreed. I did not like that one bit but to say the weekend was a failure because of it is a bit much TA…
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
Haha…I was kidding. I was hoping for that response. Because the reason it was a failure was that Cody Ross didn’t get one in the back or between the eyes (like Rollins in my pic).
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
i missed saturdays game but did someone seek retaliations for that pitcher hitting tatis?
darknova306
6/1/2009-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Redding had such poor command that if he tried to hit someone, he would’ve thrown a strike. :p
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:27am at 9:27 am (UTC -4)
LMFAO!!!
fongy2
6/1/2009-8:44am at 8:44 am (UTC -4)
Mr.Met just made an appearance on
Fox’s morning show. Gotta Love Mr.Met!
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-8:53am at 8:53 am (UTC -4)
Does that mean he’s a Republican?
fongy2
6/1/2009-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
Not sure BUT your question indicates
you’re likely a Lib.:)
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-9:00am at 9:00 am (UTC -4)
Me? A librarian? Nah.
fongy2
6/1/2009-9:03am at 9:03 am (UTC -4)
Good one!
Mr.Met
always does make me
smile though!
I’m having
my coffee w/the
news on
as background noise
I look up and
Mr.Met
is smiling
at me.
Ya just know its
gonna be a good day!
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
lol i have mr met as my wallpaper on my phone…brings a smile every time
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
Rollins getting hit in the face makes me smile more.
jaded1983
6/1/2009-9:26am at 9:26 am (UTC -4)
Good stuff this weekend! Here’s to hoping Pagan will be ok, and Redding will get his crap together. If he can become effective it will go a LONG way to helping the team out, especially with Ollie’s latest “setback”
darknova306
6/1/2009-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
Two questions:
1) Has anyone else completely written off Ollie? Honestly, if he gives us ONE quality start from now until the season ends, I’ll be shocked.
2) How long does JJ need to be inconsistent before we tell him to get the bone spur taken care of? (Not suggesting I’ve given up on him, I’m really just curious what everyone’s opinion is)
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
1) i have not written off ollie but i am disappointed in this situation. I just hope that whenever he comes back that he will be able to actually contribute. He has taken alot of time in the minors..i hope it is worth it
2) I guess it depends on how long the recovery is. The emergance of bobby parnell makes a difference in this whole thing as he can man the 8th spot while jj recovers but that would mean that everyone else has got to step up and i dont know if they can do that but JJ inconsistancy has definatly been an issue so far and they need to address this now while bobby is still not spent.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
I think when Ollie comes back, he’ll be no different than what he was. Inconsistent Ollie. He’ll probably give us couple good outings and couple bad outings. That’s who he is and I think we should just accept that. Maybe it’s time for Omar to explore the option of trading a 27yr LHP with ‘ace-like’ stuff.
I don’t know what to think of JJ. Is he hurt? or does the 8th inning role not fit for him or is he simply bad? Or just like Ollie, JJ is just inconsistent. I really thought he was better than that.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
well im sure it will be very difficult to trade ollie at this juncture as im sure everyone saw what we have been through with ollie so me must have 0 trade value. Also im sure omar will not want to eat most of that contract. I hope he can deliver serviceable innings…doesnt have to shut down the team but just look like he has an idea out there you know…like he has a game plan. Hopefully santos can keep him focused
Well JJ is techinically hurt as he has a bone spur in his shoulder(i believe). He was a closer for the M’s for years so i doubt he is inconsistant but i will say this…im sure he is seeing alot more action than he did as a closer and that is an adjustment he is going to have to make.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-9:39am at 9:39 am (UTC -4)
1) I expect Ollie to contribute. When or where that will happen is a mystery.
2) Despite the bone spur and occasional runs, J.J. is still somewhat effective. I have great confidence in the lawfirm of Parnell, Putz & Rodriguez, a/k/a The Nasty Boys.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Agreed on both.
Now exactly WHAT Ollie will contribute definitely remains to be seen….
And JJ just does not have the same command as before last year’s injury. Maybe it is the bone spur, maybe he never will regain the command. He still throws hard, and can be effective, he just is not the dominating presence some of us (OK, maybe mostly me) had hoped he would be. But still, he is a good piece in the pen, and if Parnell and JJ switch innings, then we have JJ for the 7th, which, even in his diminished state, is pretty good.
And if Parnell is for real, maybe we trade JJ to someone desperate for a closer. Regardless, he is still a valuable guy.
jaded1983
6/1/2009-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
Whats up guys? Good to post about the Mets again!
1. I havent written him off yet either and I’m hoping against hope that he can duplicate ’07. He clearly has the “stuff” but cant get his head together, and after 7 years of pitching in the majors, the question obviously becomes, “Will he ever get his head together?”
2. The Mets NEED JJ to pitch well for a couple reasons, (a) it helps the team (duhh) (b) we pick up his option next year and he is useful again or we trade him for pitching/hitting/something.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
or (c) offer him arbitration that he will decline and pick up the draft picks when someone signs him…and someone will sign him.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
But at what point does Jerry go to Bobby100 in the 8th inning? Putz have been effective to a degree, but you never know when he’ll give up that 3-run HR or bases-clearing double. I would still say Putz is our 8th inning guy, but I don’t have all that much confidence in him.
wannybackstra
6/1/2009-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Dirty: I don’t know if JJ will be arbitration eligible if the Mets decline his option.
darknova306
6/1/2009-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
The problem I have is that the “I’m hoping against hope that he can [blah blah blah]” becomes more and more tiresome as the years pass. This year seems especially bad, he can’t even throw strikes to minor leaguers.
I agree we need JJ to pitch well, but he’s been more like the relief version of Ollie than anything this year. He has a bone spur in his pitching arm (the elbow, I think, though not sure). This is the injury that Maine was pitching with last year and it cost him dearly in performance. He also, consciously or not, altered his mechanics to pitch through the pain, which is part of what hurt him early this year. I’d rather see JJ get the surgery and get healthy as quick as possible. I don’t want to question the ability of our 8th inning guy during the stretch run or post-season.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
i agree with you on this…just wonder whats the recovery time on that type of surgery…if its not a long time, they should do it now while the bullpen is still fresh and can take the hit. JJ isnt helping us win right now so imo we are not really losing anything. Bobby has stepped up and can handle the 8th
darknova306
6/1/2009-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I’m not really sure what the recovery time is. When was Maine’s surgery and when was he declared fully recovered? I honestly can’t remember all that well right now.
trs86
6/1/2009-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
Welcome Jaded
jaded1983
6/1/2009-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
thanks TRS!
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Most of you will probably agree that Omar needs to acquire a talent via trade during the season to improve the team. Who do you think Omar should go after?
Do you still think he needs to get another big bat that can replace Delgado?
OR another starting pitcher?
I say Omar should try to get another SP. But I think it should be for a #2 pitcher behind Santana like Oswalt or Peavy. By doing so, it’ll do 2 things. One is we’ll have the best rotation in the NL and second is this move will probably block Philly Phucs from getting a replacement for Myers. What do you guys think?
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
thing is…unless your are going to unload pelf/maine/ollie theres no reason to get another pitcher really. I mean yea ollie would be ideal to lift but whose going to take him? Livan has done well in his #5 role. If omar gets something, i assume it would be a bat but with gary hitting the way he is hitting…i dont think they will move on that unless gado is really not coming back.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
I’m little skeptical on Delgado coming back. Even if he comes back, I think it’ll be late and won’t be effective. So, yes, I think Omar needs a bat but also needs a pitcher IMO.
trs86
6/1/2009-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
I think the true test is what to do with RF. I think Murphy and Tatis will be fine at 1B but RF unless FMart can stick is just a hole this year. Now if Pagan can stay healthy and Fmart can even put up .275, .350 I will be happy.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
i think a pitcher would be way to complicated and frankly just not fit unless you unload ollie but thats just not going to happen. So while we may need a better pitcher, frankly its just not going to happen.
As far as a bat, If gado comes back then i see Omar sticking with shef as the “big bat” but if gado is out for the year than i see omar trading for a corner outfielder for power.
trs86
6/1/2009-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
I think there is room for another #4/5 type. The Mets don’t owe Redding much and many more starts like that and he may just be released. I would still love to bring in a struggling guy like Sonnanstine in return for maybe Church and a prospect.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
but whos spot would sonistine take….redding is holding ollie spot and when he comes back its
santana/pelf/maine/ollie/livan…where woudl he fit. Redding was destined to the bullpen anyway…i just dont see them cutting 2mil…
trs86
6/1/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
That’s just it. Ollie is shut down and Redding is just not right. I think if Redding produces another stinker they may be forced to make a small move.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
ollie isnt going to be shut down forever..he will be back. What you dont want is a log jam when that happens..right now when ollie comes back redding is in the pen. I dont see them making a move to make a move which would complicate things more…
trs86
6/1/2009-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Agree to disagree on this one. I love having a log jam with pitching.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
i dont mind it so much either if you can interchange parts and keep the best product on the field..the mets have unfortunatly painted themselves in a corner..most ly because of the ollie deal…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
You know… I think you maybe right as for what Omar will do. It was him, who signed Ollie and probably cannot afford to eat his $12 mil to sit on DL or put him on Bullpen.
But maybe Omar can trade Maine or Livan packaged with a prospect to get a big time pitcher.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
i guess but maine is under control/young and cheap for the next few years. Livan is a hellova #5 and i trust him for that job way more than redding…is it really worth it?
trs86
6/1/2009-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I don’t want to trade Maine. Livan has no trade value and is more important to us. I really think the Mets could send Redding down and if he refuses, let him walk. We most likely only owe him about 1.5 million or less now.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
It’s true that Maine is a solid pitcher and we all like him for his ‘grittiness’. But if we can get Oswalt type of pitcher by trading him and a prospect, I would do that.
trs86
6/1/2009-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
The impact that makes on the team is huge though. You are adding another 45 million to payroll.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
That’s 45 mil for the length of Oswalt’s contract, but I think it’ll only be something like 10 mil for this year.
After this year, there are some money coming off the books.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
but some contracts go up as well..
trs86
6/1/2009-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
The problem we have is that Ollie can’t stay on the DL forever. He has to comeback. I don’t think Livan deserves to lose his roster spot. Not to mention I don’t see the Mets committing the 45 million it takes to get one of those. I see them looking for more #4/5 types.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
i honestly dont see them getting any pitching help…
trs86
6/1/2009-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
I think Mlbtraderumors reported the Mets were in the market for a backend guy. With Ollie shutdown and Redding pitching terrible I think we will see someone. Might even be Broadway for a start or two.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Does this Broadway kid have any chance of being successful?
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
probably not…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
His name would fit perfectly in NY market
Joe R
6/1/2009-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
I understand pitching is key and blocking the Phils from getting an Ace would be nice. Ideally I would like Omar to do both which may be possible. I think we need a big bat more than a starting pitcher. We really have zero power. I mean there are like 7 Yankees that have 6 or more HR’s. Im not saying homeruns by itself is the most important factor for a winning team but we need some pop badly. Its great we are winning now and playing some nice small ball. Yes its condusive for Citi Field, but eventually not having the ability to hit the 3 run HR will hurt us. Even when we had Delgado the last 2 years most of us always said we needed 1 more big bat in the lineup. We cant look to Wright as our power hitter because we all know what happens when he starts to commit to the HR. I guess the question is what pitcher are we talking about. Yes maybe I would go that route if we were talking a dominant front of the rotation starter but if this isnt the case a power bat is the way to go imo.
trs86
6/1/2009-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
That power bat may be even more difficult to get than a decent pitcher. There are not even any names floating out there.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
I understand the need for a power bat. Here’s the thing. I think the Yanks will live and die by the home run all season long. Which is why they will have extended winning and losing streaks. They are seriously a team of home run hitters in a home run hitter’s ballpark. The only guy I’m interested in as a power bat is Adam Dunn, but I don’t think he’d be available. Other than that, I’m ready to go to war with Sheff, Beltran, FMart, and Church in the outfield. I think Murph is the odd man out when Delgado returns.
trs86
6/1/2009-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, he’s not. The Nats think they have something going and plan on spending money next year.
darknova306
6/1/2009-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
When Delgado returns, they’ll want to make sure he gets regular rest, so I could see them platooning him with Carlos. I’d rather see Murph go to Buffalo when that happens cause I think he needs to be playing everyday.
I don’t think Church gets enough consistency in the lineup to be able to get into a groove, and I’d rather not have to rely on Sheff holding up the whole season. I think he can, especially with regular rest, but it’s reasonable to expect him to start breaking down at some point. If they would put a regular OF setup on the field of Church, FMart, and Beltran, I’d be happy.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
I’d rather see Sheff in there 4-5 days/week and Church on those other days.
darknova306
6/1/2009-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
Sorry, what I meant was I’d be looking for that OF setup if/when Sheff starts breaking down. Just hedging our bets. There’s no way I’d replace Sheff right now with Church.
darknova306
6/1/2009-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
Livan isn’t going to keep up what he’s doing. I think we can all agree on that. He will come back to Earth sooner or later. Combine that with Redding being a bag of crap and you have the makings of a serious rotational issue. I say he needs to get another major league pitcher at some point, but the more immediate need would be a big bat (like the one he should have brought in this winter). I’m fine with Murphy at 1B, so I’d like a corner OF so we don’t have to see Emil Brown or Wily Mo at any point.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
what has he done that is extraordinary…i think he is well within his normal numbers…just because his career era is over 5 doesnt mean he gives up 5 runs a game…he isnt really pitching over his head imo..
trs86
6/1/2009-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
I think Livan will be fine but it’s not fair to expect him to be a #4 all year. We need a consistent #5. Something no one is mentioning. Pedro is still out there.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
I thought of that as Tim Redding was giving me diharrea of the TV screen. He is horrible and really shouldn’t be given past this month to turn it around. Niese isn’t ready.
Pedro is the obvious solution. Pedro, with 0 innings on his arm at the All-Star break. You have to think Omar and he chat on AIM all day.
darknova306
6/1/2009-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
The obvious solution? Maybe for the Disabled List Mets…
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Well, I’d have to think that Ollie is pretty bored in Florida. He could use some company down there. I’d rather see Pedro pitching every 5th day than Redding, Niese, or Figgy. If he gets hurt, he gets hurt. Then you look to Figgy or Redding again. But it’s pretty clear that we have two #5 starters.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
By the way, is anyone else seeing loads of potential in FMart? One thing I look for when a rookie comes up is daily improvement. I think it’s safe to say that FMart has improved every day. He has been a little more patient at the plate. He is driving the ball the other way. I am amazed at his bat speed. I think he can be VERY good. Have a much different feeling than I did with Milledge or Escobar.
trs86
6/1/2009-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
I really would like to see them give him the RF spot and the 7th spot in the lineup full-time and leave him alone.
Reyes, Castillo, Beltran, Sheff, Wright, Murphy/Tatis, Fmart, Santos
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
That’s a pretty decent line up with some pop.
Of course, at catcher it’ll be Santos/Schneidy
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
I COMPLETELY agree TRS, and I do hope we have seen the last of Church…maybe we can trade him before his value sinks even lower.
The folks (maybe Oleo primarily??) who said Church was not good and not a full-time player were right.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
i think that first ML hit went along way to relieving the nerves…i think we should expect him to improve daily..
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
It’s what we had been saying all week last week. You could just sense how nervous he was. The bat speed he has is ridiculous. I like him in the 7-hole.
Again, I’d much rather see him out there everyday than Jeremy Reed. Even if there are growing pains that go along with it. We need a bat that has extra base potential in there. Not to mention, Reed is a good bench player. Don’t have a problem with him there. I just don’t want him in the lineup everyday.
NY Post Headline Tomorrow:
Pagan joins Church (on DL)
darknova306
6/1/2009-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Not to mention the fact that they talked about how appologetic he was to Jerry for not running out that pop-up. The kid takes responsibility for his mistakes and goes out there looking to show how good he really is. I’ll take a decent season from him and leave him in RF to learn and grow. His attitude is greatly favorable to Milledge.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. I’m not here to rip Milledge. Everyone is different. Milledge may mature at a different rate than Martinez. I still think Milledge has potential to be pretty good in the right situation, but this kid seems to be much more polished, at a much younger age.
His experience this year will help us so much next year when he’ll have a few hundred MLB at bats under his belt.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
and you gotta like that he didnt high five the crowd on the way back unto the field when he hit that double ;p
trs86
6/1/2009-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
Other than them both being Mets OF prospects, Milledge and FMart have NOTHING in common.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
Haha…hard not to compare them though. Both were pretty highly touted players. Both were corner outfielders. One is a rap star. The other is an MLB player.
darknova306
6/1/2009-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
Haha! Exactly.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Agreed 100% and more.
And FMart has a far better number.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Both Peavy and Oswalt wouldn’t come to NY. Halladay would cost too much. Bedards seems like the only big name available. I’d rather go for a back end guy and I like TRS’ idea of Pedro. I think all know I wanted him back and I thought he’d sit out the first half and join the Mets in June/July.
Santana
Pelf
Maine
Pedro
Livan
*Redding replaces Takahashi or back on DL
Once Ollie gets back, send Livan or Pedro to the BP and Green to AAA.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Takahashi seems to pitch better than Redding these days….
Can we send Green to AAA?
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
i cant wait…i assume he will be the odd man out when wagner comes back
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
I think Green does have options.
dirtysanchez
6/1/2009-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
so we buy pedro for 5 mil(because i doubt he will accept any less) w/o knowing how effective he can be while livan who has been serviceable and can pitch deep into games only to throw them to the bullpen when ollie comes back? who goes down when wagner comes back?
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
well, I’d assume Pedro wouldn’t be signed until he shows he can be effective. Not sure how that happens, maybe plays some games somewhere, don’t know where?
I highly doubt Wagner can be effective coming off of surgery. I’ve been wrong b4. If I am, then whoever is at the bottom of the pecking order, Taka-Redding-Green-Stokes, who knows. It’d be a good problem to have.
There's Always '10
6/1/2009-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think Pedro is a savior at this point, but I think he can be brought back for a few reasons:
1) Maine has been working deeper into games (less stress on bullpen)
2) Pelf has been working deeper into games (less stress on bullpen)
3) Livan can give you innings (less stress on bullpen)
4) Santana is Santana
Don’t think we’ll suffer if we get 6 quality innings out of Pedro every 5th day. We can keep him at 100 pitches.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think we need a BIG bat, especially playing @ Citi. Did you see the Marlins hit all those doubles that would’ve been homeruns elsewhere?
For now, I’d keep the lineup as:
Castillo
Murphy
Beltran
Shef
Wright
F-Mart
Santos
R. Martinez
Once everyone’s healthy (don’t know that’ll ever happen):
Reyes
Castillo
Beltran
Shef
Wright
Church
Murph
Santos
* I’d send F-Mart back to AAA once Church comes back. I don’t think F-Mart would give more production right now than Church when hitting regularly.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Ollie!! Why can’t you get your head straight! If it weren’t for you, we would not have a headache like this!@! GET YOUR HEAD STRAIGHT DUMBASS!!
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
hmm, woke up on the wrong side of the bed today?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
hehe… it’s Monday….
Joe R
6/1/2009-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
Amen!! He is a bum!! I hate his guts!! He is a joke! We would have an unbelievable 1-5 you idiot!!
Wow that felt good! I like doing that once a week and also include Castillo most times.
I dont get the Citifeild argument that its ok not to get a big bat. Listen homeruns are being hit there. Plenty of players are hitting HR’s and we also play alot of games on the road including the post season. We need a bat. We have been saying it for 3 years now and with an uncertain Delgado its even more of an issue.
Joe R
6/1/2009-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
Everything looks OK now because we are winning but the last 3 years including the post season we see what happens if Wright or Beltran or both get in a slump. There isnt much offense or power comeing from other places imo
darknova306
6/1/2009-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
I’ll second that sentiment.
stickguy
6/1/2009-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
I’m shocked that I am actually getting comfortable with Livan as the 5th starter (I know, the kiss of death just went down, so I knocked on wood!)
Hopefully Redding will get it together soon, or he will have to go away for a while. Not sure what the answer is, but as long as the 4 regulars keep pitching well (and deep), they can cover the 5 hole for now. Ollie of course is the wild card, but it deson’t sound like you have to worry about him any time soon.
This would be the perfect time to bring up the hot itching prospect for a few starts, but Neise sure ain’t it! But Holt looks ready! (j/k here. I think).
For the OF, F Mart stilll likely goes down when CHurch comes back (Church is worthless on the bench). But, it may just be temporary, if Church looks healthy and F Mart rakes in AAA, you could see CHurch moved for other help.
Or, if Sheff goes down, Church and F Mart manning th ecorners.
darknova306
6/1/2009-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
“but as long as the 4 regulars keep pitching well (and deep), they can cover the 5 hole for now”
Livan’s a #5, not the #4 he’s been pitching like recently. We need a consistent #4 starter, and no one on the team is close to that right now. Redding doesn’t deserve another turn in the rotation. If he does have success, it will be against the Pirates, which shows us nothing.
stickguy
6/1/2009-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
Also, the Mets might not be hitting a ton of HRs, but they will win plenty of games with pitching, and leading the league (or close to it) in ave. and OBP, with a lot of doubles.
Less slump prone too that way.
Kingman 26
6/1/2009-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I agree…the 80s Cards did not hit too many homers, and built around their stadium, with pitching and speed. Comparing our HR to the Yanks is not fair; that park makes Coors Field look like the Astrodome.
Joe R
6/1/2009-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
Eventually for the health of the offense and taking away the stress, of game in and game out having to string together 3 or 4 hits to score a run, you need and it would be nice for a guy to hit that 3 run shot in the 6th or 7th inning to put some space in between us and our opponent. Its nice to give the offense andf bullpen a rest.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
I agree. Mets need that 3 run HR once in awhile… But I think Beltran, Sheff, and Wright can give you that. Maybe….
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:13am at 11:13 am (UTC -4)
that’s def true. Both Beltran and Wright had 30 plus homerun’s last year
Joe R
6/1/2009-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
I wouldnt consider Beltran a homerun hitter. He imo is at his best when he’s going gap to gap with the occasional HR that the pitcher left the ball up and over the plate. Yes he has put up homerun numbers some years but I think both him and Wright are best when they are driving the ball gap to gap and going to the opposite field.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-10:59am at 10:59 am (UTC -4)
The mets don’t need a big bat. Can we all agree that the Dodgers have one of the best, if not the best lineups in the N.L.? They’re also 2nd in Runs in the Majors.
Check out the Mets hitting compared to the Dodgers.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp?c_id=mlb§ion1=null&statSet1=null&groupByTeam=true&statType=1&sortByStat=AVG&timeFrame=1&timeSubFrame=2009&baseballScope=mlb&prevPage1=1&readBoxes=true&Submit=Submit&box1=lan&box3=nyn&checkBoxTotal=0&compare.x=12&compare.y=1
Both teams have similar homerun totals. However, the Dodgers have 55 more hits and 18 more doubles. Otherwise, their numbers are very similar.
Don’t know about you, but I’d be very happy w/ the Dodgers hitting.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
meaning we need more hits, which was the problem in April when we left so many men on base. But that turned around in April.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
*but that turned around in May.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2009-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
But the difference is that Dodgers are getting healthy(?) Manny in July. Mets may get almost healthy Delgado in August maybe.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
point is that the Dodgers don’t need Manny and his HR’s. They already lead the league in scoring despite not having Big Bat Manny.
It’s nice to have, but not necessary.
GravediggerHebner
6/1/2009-11:17am at 11:17 am (UTC -4)
Since Manny has gone out, their most common lineup is 1. Pierre, 2. Furcal, 2. Hudson. The Mets don’t have that kind of speed and experience at the top. I’d be very happy with their hitting too, just not sure we’ve got it.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
Reyes, Castillo and Beltran are just as fast and experienced, and if you look at the comparison, the Mets have 8 more stolen bases.
GravediggerHebner
6/1/2009-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
Pierre OBP .438, SB 10
Furcal OBP .308, SB 3
Hudson OBP .407, SB 4
Reyes OBP .355, SB 11
Castillo OBP .395, SB 6
Beltran OBP .447, SB 7
You’re right. But when is Reyes coming back, and will he be “Reyes?”
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
I hope so, I’d hate for him to be anyone else. I’m sure his wife would mind, too.
Joe R
6/1/2009-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
I dont know I guess the bottom line is for me, you can look at all the stats and break them down and thats fine. IMO we just need another bat. Its really that simple for me. It may not be the most intelligent way to look at it but its a feel I have had the last 3 years and this year even more.
CaseStreet
6/1/2009-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
There’s nothing wrong w/ going with your gut. Jerry does it all the time.
GravediggerHebner
6/1/2009-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
And Jerry Manuel’s Mets are 83-59 .585
Ceetar arrives to besmirch in 3…2…1
Joe R
6/1/2009-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
HaHa very true…not sure if being lumped in with Jerry is a good thing but the 2 moves he made with pinch hitting Santos and using Pagan although they didnt work at the time it seems his logic might have been on point lol
ceetar
6/1/2009-12:55pm at 12:55 pm (UTC -4)
Eh. I disagree with the quote by Stengel as it applies to this team. Quite the opposite. More like “We’re not as bad as everyone says we are” Need to go out there with the attitude of slaughtering everybody.
These next two weeks are big weeks though.
http://www.ceetar.com/optimisticmetsfan/2009/06/the-next-two-weeks/