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Jun 02

The P in Putz Stands for Problem…

mets-j1j-putz2  We all know what happened last night, but if you need a refresher, here’s how it went down courtesy of Marty Noble @ Mets.com-

“Putz was summoned to replace Pedro Feliciano with a runner in third base and one out and the Mets leading, 5-3. Andy LaRoche hit his first pitch toward center field. Luis Castillo put a glove on it, but made no play, LaRoche’s brother, Adam, scored. Jason Jaramillo hit a 1-1 pitch to center field for a single that advanced Andy LaRoche to second. Jack Wilson then hit an 0-2 pitch up the middle to score a run and move Jaramillo to second. Then pinch-hitter Delmon Young hit the first pitch — where else? — up the middle for the run that put the Mets in arrears.

The intentional walk to Nyjer Morgan, Putz’s final batter, an error by shortstop Wilson Valdez on a potential double play ground ball extended the inning and allowed another run and a sacrifice fly completed the comeback.”

  Putz failed to record an out.  8 pitches, 4 singles, 4 runs.  His era jumped from 3.81 to 4.76  Also important to note, is the fact that Putz was “tinkering” with his delivery before the game.  Well, I don’t know about you, but theres a problem if Putz’s modified delivery is worse off than his accostomed delivery, meaning he could be playing hurt.  That should not come off as a shock to anyone. 

  Marlins Mets Baseball   In 2008, JJ Putz was placed on the DL TWICE for a hyper extended elbow and right torso inflammation.  This year already, Putz has had issues with a bone spur and inflammation in his right elbow, not to mention sitting out a couple of days for a stiff neck. 

    Going back to yesterday’s game, Marty discusses the plan with Putz according to Manager Jerry Manuel -

“Manager Jerry Manuel said he would give Putz a night free from pitching Tuesday, nothing that the Mets’ primary setup man had worked in a special bullpen session in the afternoon, hoping to find a release point better suited for his pitches. The problem against the Pirates was location, location, location. He threw strikes but they were hittable strikes, higher in the zone than he wanted. Manuel was unconcerned about Putz’ velocity; it has been a variable of late. He is willing to afford Putz the benefit of the doubt because the veteran reliever with closing in his resume has accepted the setup role with almost no spoken reservation. But he did say he may try to bolster Putz’s confidence by using him in less challenging circumstances. But Manuel also pointed out having Putz set up Francisco Rodriguez is “how we are designed.”

That’s funny, because our friend Matt Cerrone over at Metsblog has down that Jerry said something totally different. –

“Prior to yesterday’s game, Jerry Manuel said Putz would still be used primarily as his eighth-inning reliever.

Last night, however, Manuel said a) Putz will not pitch tonight, and b) when he returns, he is likely to no longer be used as the primary eighth-inning set-up man.

…paging Bobby Parnell… please pick up the white courtesy phone… thank you…” (Ha ha, Matt, you’re so funny.)

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    This raises an interesting question.  Is Bobby Parnell more suitable for the 8th inning role than Putz?  Would doing so burn out Parnell?  Jerry has already been questioned for his use of the bullpen, but you cant hide the fact that Parnell brings a cool and collected presence in the late innings.  The guy throws serious heat and doesn’t seem to fold under pressure.  So far in 21.2 innings, Parnell has a 2.08 era, while giving up 5 earned runs and striking out 20.  So what would you do?

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108 comments

  1. trs86

    Queens, you just jealous that I finally got a post with over 200 comments? LOL.

    1. QnsNative718

      You got me!

  2. GravediggerHebner

    Wow, is that really a copy from Marty Noble? Because “with a runner in third base” is just weird but is an acceptable typo, but “Then pinch-hitter Delmon Young” is just factually incorrect. Delmon plays for the Twins. It was Delwyn Young. Bad Marty!

    1. Kingman 26

      These errors were deliberate…he is auditioning for another job at another blog….

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Oh, snap! Is that the Bourbon talking? 8)

        1. Kingman 26

          Oops! Maybe I need to start drinking earlier in the day.

          But hey, I might not have been talking about THAT place, and I did not mention any names….

          :-)

  3. GravediggerHebner

    As far as actually responding to your fine post goes, I would follow the path of a combination of medical examinations and moving Putz to a lower pressure role, and nudging Parnell into a more key set up role.

    While I hesitate to directly compare Parnell to Frankie, Frankie’s ML debut season was as an incredible set up man on a pennant winning team. A rookie CAN do it. The question is, can THIS rookie do it? I think so.

  4. Kingman 26

    Qns, nice job, and I think it is clearly time for Parnell to be given the 8th inning to see how he does.

    JJ is either hurt, or is just not the same as before last year’s injuries, and as thrilled as I was when we got him, the inconsistent velocity and lack of command is going to kill us if he keeps it up.

    1. dentulous

      He pitched the 8th at Fenway, i think.

      If he can pitch against Boston, in the 8th @ Fenway,I think he has the nerves to do it anywhere. Lets Go Bobby!

    2. GravediggerHebner

      I was more excited about Putz coming than I was Frankie. I recall talking about the “inevitable time when Putz’ work outshines Frankies and JJ takes over the closer role.” Having seen him at his peak, and having expected him to be close to it here, makes this that much more disappointing.

      1. Kingman 26

        Agree totally Grave…by far the biggest disappointment thus far this year.

        On the other hand, Frankie has been more than I hoped for–I expected him to be good, but his velocity, assortment of pitches, and complete fearlessness have really impressed me.

        I still cannot believe the Angels did not want him back.

        1. dentulous

          All i ca say is they did us a favor by not signing him and signing fuentes. That guy has already blown 2 saves i believe. It was going to be K-Rod or Fuentes IIRC, so Omar did a good job.

          1. CaseStreet

            don’t let fongy hear you say that

          2. dentulous

            Ha, yea, gotta get that deleted ASAP!

        2. wannybackstra

          As bad Putz has been relative to expectations, I think K-Rod has been even better.

          For all the hype of him as a hard thrower, it his pitching intelligence which has really shocked me. Hitters have no clue to what to expect from him. Being able to throw nasty curveballs and changeups that move like knucklers fors strikes at any time in the count only makes his 92-94 mph fastball look all the more intimidating.

          For my money, Frankie is the best in the biz right now and I don’t think it is particularly close.

          1. Kingman 26

            Absolutely agree.

          2. GravediggerHebner

            Can’t argue with that. I loved that interview last night in which he talked about how, given the slight variations in speed and angle that he puts on his FB, CV, SLD and CH, he said he has 9 pitches.

          3. wannybackstra

            Makes you wonder why Anaheim didn’t bring him along as a starter.

            I never thought of him as a “pitching maestro” so to speak, but he surely understands the art of pitching, as well as the physical aspects of it. He is fun to watch.

      2. dentulous

        yes i recall that, a lot of people thought that.

    3. QnsNative718

      Word. And to tell you the truth, I wasnt skipping when the Mets traded for Putz in December. 2 DL stints in one season??? Not good.

  5. dirtysanchez

    qnz yet another awesome post which im sure will keep the streak alive lol

    At this time i think bobby is better suited to handle the 8th but when putz gets healthy and corrects whatever is ailing him, putz is the guy…no doubt about it.

    1. QnsNative718

      As Manuel said, “Its how it was designed.” If it comes to pass that Putz fails in the 8th inning role, that means Omar fails as well.

      1. There's Always '10

        Unless F-Mart succeeds.

        Too late to trade Putz for Heilman?

        1. QnsNative718

          Heilman. (((Shutters)))

          1. DNDJohan aka kistics

            Heilman….
            Benitez…..
            Looper….
            Schoe…. (Although he wasn’t as bad, RIP his wife)

            Anyone else?

          2. QnsNative718

            I felt Sco in 2007 was utilized horribly, then come to find out in 2008 he was just bad when used the right way.

            But man, that guy cant catch a break. Anyone know HOW she died??? Never heard anything other than the initial report.

          3. There's Always '10

            Don’t think they have a cause of death yet. But that is horrible.

          4. trs86

            Agreed, this has been quite some time now and no word.

          5. QnsNative718

            Per wiki,

            On May 20, 2009, his wife, Gabrielle Dawn Schoeneweis, 39, was found dead in their suburban Fountain Hills, Arizona home. According to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, she was unresponsive when sheriff’s deputies came to their home at 12:11 p.m. MST responding to a call made by the wife’s 14 year-old daughter from a first marriage, one of four children. According to the release, she was found on the floor of the master bedroom. A spokesperson for the Sheriff’s Office said that there were no signs of foul play and while they are not ruling anything out, they are not treating it as a homicide at this point.[19] The couple had celebrated their 10th anniversary in January 2009. They had three children together, and she already had a daughter when they were married.[2] Schoeneweis left Miami, Florida, where the Diamondbacks were playing a series with the Marlins, to fly to Phoenix on a private charter arranged by the Diamondbacks.[3][4] General Manager Josh Byrnes said on May 27 that the Commissioner’s Office granted the team permission to place Schoeneweis on the restricted list after his seven-day stint on the bereavement list expired, but that the length of Schoeneweis’ absence was uncertain.[5] Manager A.J. Hinch said the team has no timetable for the pitcher’s return.[6] An official of the Maricopa County medical examiner’s office said an autopsy would be performed

  6. trs86

    I would seriously shut down Putz until the weekend and see how he responds in a BP session. If no effects then I would DL him retroactive to yesterday.

  7. charlies

    The JJ problem reminds me of Heilman in that the bad momentum is building with each appearance. I really hope Jerry doesn’t allow the mo’ to continue. He needs some time off. I would rather go without him for a little while than to have the JJ of last night.

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Agreed. Feliciano is on a good roll right now. He and Stokes should realistically be able to handle the 7th, and Parnell the 8th, while the Putz situation is investigated further, at least for this Pittsburgh/Washington portion of the schedule.

    2. QnsNative718

      Very good point. Heilman got worse and worse with every appearance (minus an adequate one here and there). You sit Putz for a little while, let him get his head together and go back to being the All Star he knows he is.

  8. mrose

    whats great about this post..other than it being a great post..is how its the top of the sportspyder list on the right right now..nice!

    1. trs86

      yeah, I don’t know if it’s on everyone’s though. It depends on each individual site’s settings. There is a main source, default source and custom source setting.

      1. GravediggerHebner

        That’s one reason I didn’t know we were on there. I had mine set for “default,” so once you alerted me that we were indeed on there, I went in and reset my bookmark for “all sources” and voila, there we were.

        1. GravediggerHebner

          Anyone reading this who cares to do the same just need bookmark this:

          http://www.sportspyder.com/teams/new-york-mets/news/all/

          1. wannybackstra

            what is sportspyder?

          2. GravediggerHebner

            It’s sort of a clearinghouse for stories/reports about sports teams. You can go to sportspyder.com and choose your favorite team(s) and settings and then bookmark that, and then every time you use that bookmark you get the latest info on your teams (from sources that have registered with them). The link above is Mets/all sources.

          3. trs86

            It’s the widget on the RH sidebar.

          4. GravediggerHebner

            yeah, that too!

    2. GravediggerHebner

      I must admit, a portion of my motivation for the odd titles I give to my non-post game posts is to see that title roll by on sportspyder.

  9. ceetar

    Francessa claiming he was tipping his pitches. Anyway, There is little point quoting Manuel, who I’m not sure has ever acted on what he’s said to the press.

    Manuel could just as easily see Putz throw some amazing bullpen session today and decide “he’s healed!” and put him in tonight.

    1. wannybackstra

      All he threw was fastballs (and mostly up in the zone). There’s no need to tip your pitches if you’re only throwing one.

      1. There's Always '10

        As Mad Dog would say, “fair point. give him credit”

        1. wannybackstra

          good afternoon everybody….

          1. There's Always '10

            …how are you today?!?!?! the mike and the mad dog radio progwam. and we gotta start off with just a bwutal, bwutal loss for the mets last night…

          2. GravediggerHebner

            Say something funny Mike!

          3. There's Always '10

            now time for the 20/20 with mr. met. heheehee you are hot stuff bobby.

          4. DNDJohan aka kistics

            I like Inge a lot…. I like Inge… yes, I like Inge…

          5. There's Always '10

            Uhhh, I really think the Yankees ahhh gonna get the kid McClouth. I really do. I would send them Bret Godnuh, Phil Coke, and Aceves. I think the Pirates would jump on that deal. You see, Yankee prospects usually do pan out. Look at Olendawff. Godnuh is going to ge a supuhstaw.

          6. QnsNative718

            I wish I could put Inge in a sandwich.

          7. There's Always '10

            The Mets should trade a core player for Inge and then turn Inge around to the Yanks for Phil Coke.

  10. wannybackstra

    Manuel’s use of Parnell in the 6th last night rather than Stokes/Green/Taka really undercores his distrust for those guys. That situation was ideal for either Stokes or Green with a righty up and the game still well in hand.

    I can understand distrusting Green because he’s pitched poorly. But Stokes has pitched well. If the manager does not trust a player despite his strong performance then maybe they need to replace him with someone the manager will trust and use. You can’t get through a season relying solely on 4 relief pitchers.

    1. dirtysanchez

      didnt stokes give up like 5 runs in boston..not disagreeing with you but stokes last outing wasnt good

    2. GravediggerHebner

      I’m left to wonder who it might be that would already have or be able to quickly gain that trust.

      1. wannybackstra

        I would think Green could regain it since it was apparently there earlier in the season. But he just doesn’t pitch enough right now to get there.

        Maybe around July when Putz reaches his innings total for the season and Parnell’s arm is hanging by a thread, they might consider going outside the organization.

        I really do fear that at some point Parnell and Feliciano will go through rough stretches and there will be no where else to turn.

        Dirty — I think Stokes had pitched one time since then (not sure). But everybody will have their stinkers and I think they are more likely to without regular work.

        1. GravediggerHebner

          One outside option I had been casually observing went on the DL yesterday: Rafael Betancourt.

    3. There's Always '10

      Well, the Mets tried everyone last year and they all stunk. So you may not be able to get through a season with 7 pitchers in the pen, either :-)

      But I agree. However, that is hardly the reason they lost last night> They lost last night, according to JJ, because of a “4 hopper up the middle”.

      1. GravediggerHebner

        4 consecutive hoppers up the middle is more like it. I didn’t enjoy his excuse making last night. He’s supposed to be able to miss bats. One 4 hopper is reasonable and acceptable. 4 consecutive singles, not so much IMO.

      2. wannybackstra

        but, of course.

    4. trs86

      Yeah that move puzzled me as well. Left you with few options. What about bringing Krod in once the problem was obvious?

  11. DNDJohan aka kistics

    I didn’t hear what Jerry said yesterday, but did he clearly say that Putz is out as 8th inning guy?

    I think if Putz is not injured, he should get more chances. I know he has had his share of screw ups, but we need to get this guy up and going. He’s a very important piece to this team.

    1. There's Always '10

      I think he should get more opportunities as well. Just think he should get a few days to clear his head. If he has an opportunity to get in the game on Thursday, that’s the next time I’d like to see him.

    2. QnsNative718

      According to Noble, Jerry said Putz would be back in as the 8th inning guy because “It was designed to be that way.” After a couple days out of that role ofcourse to clear his head. Cerrone on the other hand stated “Putz is out as the 8th inning guy”. Who to believe?

      1. dirtysanchez

        follow your heart lol

        1. QnsNative718

          We’re on the same page. lol

          1. GravediggerHebner

            From what I can gather, my sources tell me that I don’t know who to believe.

  12. DNDJohan aka kistics

    What I don’t understand with Jerry is that he sometimes makes very questionable moves. Most reporters say that Jerry’s very smart and knows what he’s doing, but to me, Jerry sometimes does not know what he’s doing.

    I’m not saying that we should get rid of a manager with like 20 game above .500 record as a Met, but some moves are very questionable…

    1. trs86

      LOL, did you see the link this morning to another blog commenting Manuel mistake #74?

      1. DNDJohan aka kistics

        no.. what did i miss?

        1. trs86

          Bunting issues

          1. DNDJohan aka kistics

            oh… Reed… I didn’t have a problem with it. Jerry wanted to tack on runs and I thought that was a decent move.

          2. trs86

            With Valdez following Reed after the pitcher walked Wright?

          3. GravediggerHebner

            Yeah, I’m cool with bunting there. Valdez was having the game of his life, and at that point the Mets were still leading by 2 runs if I’m not mistaken, it was to try and get a 3 run lead that he bunted there. This was before Putz gave it all away.

          4. There's Always '10

            Let’s not make Reed out to be Ryan Church. The guy can lay down a bunt if necessary. Not a tremendous drop off in Valdez either. Plus, he had a hot night.

          5. DNDJohan aka kistics

            that’s true… wasn’t that the pitchers major league debut? you are right.. that was a bad move.

            although, jerry may have had much faith in Valdez…

  13. DNDJohan aka kistics

    BOBBY100!!!!!

    1. DNDJohan aka kistics

      sorry…. time to take my medicatiJOHAN!!!!!…. sorry medication…

  14. GravediggerHebner

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that the Mets did not have a 1st round pick in this year’s amateur draft due to their signing of KRod. So why do I see sportspyder stories scrolling by about “possible Mets 1st rounder?”

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Unless I’m reading this wrong, the Mets’ first pick this year is #72 overall, in the 2nd round.

      http://www.mymlbdraft.com/mlb-draft-order/

      1. There's Always '10

        72nd overall. And for the first time in a while, they gave up a 1st rounder for a good reason! K-Rod.

    2. trs86

      Good question.

      1. trs86

        Someone head over to Mack’s Mets and figure this out. He may be pissed.

        1. GravediggerHebner

          I’m going to give Mack the benefit of the doubt that, at some time when he first started the very, very thorough list of prospects, he referred to “the Mets first pick” as opposed to “the Mets first round pick.”

          But I can’t check myself, as his blog is so laden with information on one page that I may never be able to find the beginning of this process.

          1. trs86

            LOL, I looked and about 10 of them say 1st round.

  15. trs86

    Good god, If I read one more article pop up saying Mets must or should get Peavy…..
    This in not a Johan situation here guys.

    1. There's Always '10

      Don’t want Peavy anyway. Let him go to that pitcher’s haven in Philly.

      1. dirtysanchez

        i HIGHLY doubt peavy would ever even consider going to philly….dont think his countryness can handle the animals at philly

        1. DNDJohan aka kistics

          yeah, that’s weird considering that he would go to the cubs… chicago ain’t much different from ny or philly.

          1. There's Always '10

            Peavy needs to calm down. He is 28 yrs old. Doesn’t have 100 career wins. May not get to 100 career wins by the end of this year. He is good, but in no way should dictate where he goes. He’ll only go to a Midwestern team. Someone needs to slap him around.

          2. dirtysanchez

            well thats what a no trade clause will get ya…

    2. dirtysanchez

      or halladay….

    3. DNDJohan aka kistics

      I WANT PEAVY, HALLADAY, OSWALT AND BEDARD!

  16. Joe R

    Putz will get a couple of days off…if in that time we dont hear that he is injured and will either hit the DL or need several days to figure things out I would be shocked. He is our 8th inning guy and we need him. A decision will be made quickly once he comes back. If he struggles and doesnt get his velocity back, he is probably useless to us and will be traded if he cant pitch the 8th. He’s not happy pitching the 8th and to ask him to pitch the 7th or middle innings will make him have 0 adrenaline and be miserable. Results will be bad. I believe its the 8th or nothing with him. What bothered me the most was Manuel not even acknowledging his speed was down. Manuel said he never watched or saw him in the American League. Very very Bizzare. I hope he was dodging the issue but it really didnt seem that way.

    We need him beacuase lets not forgot Parnell hasnt even gone around the league once yet. Lets see what happens when hitters make their adjustments. Hopefully Parnell will be able to make his. I think he is the real deal simply because his fastball his mid 90′s and most importantly his breaking pitches stay down.

    1. Joe R

      Also I agree with a post above. What happens if we trade Putz or if he doesnt get it together and parnell gets the 8th. With that much exposure will he wear down for the most critical time of the year. Ouch

  17. fongy2

    Peavy isn’t nor should he be an option.Frankly,I’d be scared of a guy who doesn’t want any part of pitching under pressure.Also as an aside I
    couldn’t believe when I read this guy
    Won the CY Young acouple yrs ago w/o
    ever pitching into the 8th inning.
    Oswalt is another guy who makes me
    a little nervous.Small town,Southern
    guy who apparently doesn’t like the east coast and has alot of innings
    on that small frame.Halladays going
    nowhere.If the Jays move him,they
    might as well close up shop.
    As for Bedard,ehh what is he exactly?
    The Mariners would want a Kings ransom
    and for what? How good is he?Really.

    1. GravediggerHebner

      As we get closer to the trade deadline it may change, but for the next 6 weeks or so I think we’re just going to have to dance wit the girl that brung us.

    2. QnsNative718

      I agree with everything you said. Peavy and Oswalt are members of the ‘ole boys club. “He aint goin no place where women wear man pants” (Im kiddin, Peavy believes in equal rights)

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Trivia question: Who asked “Who is the girl in the dugout, with the long hair? What’s going on here? You have got to be kidding me. Only player personnel in the dugout.”

        “I won’t say women belong in the kitchen, but they don’t belong in the dugout. You know I am only teasing. I love you gals out there, always have.”

        1. QnsNative718

          The stache. ; )

          1. QnsNative718

            That was in SD. I rock!

          2. GravediggerHebner

            Ladies and gentlemen, no more calls please we have our winner.

          3. gipperpdx

            I was at that game, second row behind Mets dugout. So, I missed the quintessential Keith-ism.

      2. dirtysanchez

        congrats Mr. 100 ;p

        1. QnsNative718

          lol, thanks, Dirty.

          1. dirtysanchez

            lol bobby100 meet qnz100 lol

    3. dirtysanchez

      for bedard…just wait till next year..hes a FA

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