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Game Time: 12:35pm
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Big Pelf Record: 4-1 Era: 3.88 K: 23 BB: 19 WHIP: 1.37
Mets Notes:
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Pelfrey continued his run of excellent outings, overcoming some personal demons against the Marlins by allowing just one run on five hits in 7 2/3 innings on Friday. It was his longest start of the season, and the first in which he had given up fewer than two runs. Pelfrey faces a Pirates team against which he has never yielded an earned run. That comprises only one career start, however, when Pelfrey pitched seven shutout innings en route to a 2-1 victory last August.
- The Mets, losers of seven of their last nine on the road, have shortstop Jose Reyes (calf), first baseman Carlos Delgado (hip), right fielder Ryan Church (hamstring) and reserve left fielder Angel Pagan (groin) on the disabled list.
- Pelfrey has become accustomed to getting little help of late. Over his last four starts, the right-hander has gone 0-1 with a 2.28 ERA and has received only four runs to work with.
- Pelfrey, who hasn’t won since beating Philadelphia 7-5 on May 7, has put together a stretch of five quality starts. He’s also given up three runs or less in his last seven, going 3-1 with a 2.96 ERA.
- He won his only career start against the Pirates on Aug. 15, scattering seven hits in seven scoreless innings of a 2-1 win at PNC Park.
- But rested or not, the team will not have J.J. Putz in what had become his accustomed role as the eighth-inning setup man. Jerry Manuel said he intends to ease Putz back into that role — the one the Mets had designed for him — and until Putz is functional, Bobby Parnell will go in the eighth inning and Putz will be the seventh-inning pitcher.
- Putz hardly seemed put off by the change of assignment. He said it could “eliminate stress.” He referred to his role as “pitching in the sixth and seventh inning” and said he was used in that early setup role last season with the Mariners when he developed a mechanical flaw. The current problem, he said, was mechanical. He and pitching coach Dan Warthen had detected a “glaring mechanical flaw that probably goes back to last year,” Putz said.
LINEUP
Alex Cora(wb), SS
Luis Castillo, 2B
Carlos Beltran(wb), CF
Gary Sheffield, RF
David Wright, 3B
Daniel Murph, 1B
Fernando Martinez, LF
Omir Santos, C
Mike Pelfry, P
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Record: 5-5 Era: 4.45 K: 32 BB: 17 WHIP: 1.22
Pirates Notes:
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Ohlendorf wasn’t able to string together two straight solid starts, as he lasted just 5+ innings and gave up four runs in a loss to Houston. Ohlendorf’s 97 pitches were the second most of the season, and his three walks tied for a season high. Ohlendorf has two appearances against the Mets in his career, although neither have been starts. He has struggled in those two games, however, as he surrendered 10 runs in only 1 2/3 innings. The Mets are hitting .615 against Ohlendorf in his career, which is the highest batting average for any team against the right-hander.
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The Pirates are looking to take advantage of New York’s absences and win their third consecutive game.
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Pittsburgh hopes right-hander Ross Ohlendorf ran avoid a personal three-game slide after giving up four runs and eight hits in five innings of Friday’s 6-1 loss to Houston. Ohlendorf has been solid at home, going 3-2 with a 3.72 ERA in five outings. He’ll get his first start against the Mets after failing to get a decision in two relief outings with the New York Yankees, giving up 10 runs and eight hits in 1 2-3 innings.
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McCutchen, who was playing at Triple-A Indianapolis this season, reported to Pittsburgh after the Pirates dealt McLouth to the Braves and will be playing immediately as an everyday player in Pittsburgh. His first game in a big league uniform will be against the Mets in Thursday’s matinee. Baseball America ranked the 22-year-old McCutchen as the Pirates’ second-best prospect entering the season and the outfielder was Pittsburgh’s Minor League Player of the Year in 2006.
LINEUP
Andrew McCutchen, CF
Nyjer Morgan, LF
Freddy Sanchez, 2B
Adam Laroche, 1B
Andy Laroche, 3B
Brandon Moss, RF
Jason Jaramillo, C
Jack Wilson, SS
Ross Ohlendorf. P
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206 comments
mrose
6/4/2009-12:29pm at 12:29 pm (UTC -4)
bah websense is blocking real dirty dugout..oh well
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
same here
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
websense?
mrose
6/4/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
its a software to block bad websites…
i’m the systems engineer of the program, but I can’t get around the no chat feature lol
trs86
6/4/2009-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
here too and my mlbtv does not work either. Crap
Joe R
6/4/2009-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
Hey guys….quick question. Now that we arent talking about Citi Field and who likes it and who doesnt…IDK for myself when the Mets play at home and the telecast starts I never say to myself…Oh man What a beautiful new stadium we have? Do u guys?
Not trying to start the debate all over again and I guess Im a fan of the new field…nothing wrong with it,happy we have a new home, etc but I dont get that excited feeling and that proud feeling that this is our home. Weird.
What also happened to the changes we were going to hear about a month or two ago?
saltygary
6/4/2009-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
Once they have some moments in the new park it will start to feel like home.
ceetar
6/4/2009-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
I do. I think…aah, it’s nice to have a stadium to be proud of finally. It’s got great views, great mobility, and great eats and beers. what else could I want?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
orange and blue outfield walls…
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:37pm at 12:37 pm (UTC -4)
is that u cerrone?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
loll are you talking about my subject…prepare to get MODERATED!!
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
oh walls, I thought you said BALLS
Joe R
6/4/2009-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
Haha Agreed. That would be nice. Thanks guys just wondering what the feel was. Ive been to 3 games and I have no complaints…I guess if i can try to put it in words it may be the exact opposite of what was wrong with Shea. In Shea the issue was how open it was in the outfield and somethimes I feel everything from line to line in the outfield is all cluttered with the bridge shoved in there, weird grass area around the apple. IDK hard to explain just doesnt have a constant flow to it. Anyway back to the game lol
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve been to about 5 games and it feels like home for me.
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-12:37pm at 12:37 pm (UTC -4)
When I’m watching it on TV I don’t really think about it much at all, I just think about the fact that I’m watching my favorite team play my favorite game. But on the 2 occasions that I’ve been to Citi, I spent pretty much every moment thinking about how much better it is than Shea in every aspect that comes to mind. Roomier seats, better sight lines (where I’ve sat), better food, more places to gather with friends and family. I love being there.
saltygary
6/4/2009-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
This lineup is looking a little better hugh?
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
just needed reyes and church back, though Cora and F-Mart are nice replacements
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:38pm at 12:38 pm (UTC -4)
office lunch at TGIF. Hope we’ll stay till the end of the game.
saltygary
6/4/2009-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
Waiting in Indy for my flight home to NH
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
getting married?
saltygary
6/4/2009-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
Business trip. LOL, alredy hitched
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
Was that a sly gay marriage joke Case? You devil you.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
Who me?
saltygary
6/4/2009-1:13pm at 1:13 pm (UTC -4)
U bastard that totally went over my head good job.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-7:58pm at 7:58 pm (UTC -4)
thanks,
“you bastard. you killed kenny!”
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
Oh good, bad call already.
mrose
6/4/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
welcome back carlos
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:45pm at 12:45 pm (UTC -4)
he’s not part of the core
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
Oh no, Beltran only has warning track power now LOL.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-12:45pm at 12:45 pm (UTC -4)
yeah… he needs to take a couple days off.
mrose
6/4/2009-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
are you kidding? that was outside by inches
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
Theoretically speaking, someone could record an inning and post it on their facebook and link to it here? Kind of a delayed live-stream
mrose
6/4/2009-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
man..this is terrible already… with the umps blowing the strikeout and the play at first for us…
now the pirates hitting well
mrose
6/4/2009-12:58pm at 12:58 pm (UTC -4)
well..i know most are in the live chat..but i’m turning the game off… i can’t be this distracted at work…
great time to pick to have your worst start of the year pelf….not now.. not now!
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
Thank god that’s over. One more batter would’ve ruined my scorecard.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-1:15pm at 1:15 pm (UTC -4)
was Murph supposed to run
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
According to Gary yes, if only to prevent the 5-4-3 double play with runners on 1st and 3rd.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-2:09pm at 2:09 pm (UTC -4)
Can someone explain to me why Pelfrey wasn’t taken out of this game either A) after the 3rd inning, or B) after he loaded the bases in the 4th? Manuel trying to save the bullpen or something? They had a day off yesterday. Seriously getting sick of this. It’s no different than waving the white flag before the Florida game even started on Saturday. What a joke. It was obvious that Pelfrey didn’t have it today.
Bring back Bobby V. Seriously already.
trs86
6/4/2009-2:10pm at 2:10 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t know about Bobby V but I have no idea why you allow him to load the bases and then pitch to another guy.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-2:15pm at 2:15 pm (UTC -4)
Seriously, it was obvious after surrendering 5 runs in the first two innings to a team without its best offensive player – Pelf didn’t have it today. Instead, you make him throw 40 more pitches after the 2nd inning. All the while, knowing the Pirates can erupt on him at any moment. That’s not putting your team in the best position to win. Tak could have come in this game in the 3rd or 4th.
gategem
6/4/2009-2:16pm at 2:16 pm (UTC -4)
Some managers are blessed with great instincts when it comes to handling pitchers. Jerry’s not one of them.
trs86
6/4/2009-2:09pm at 2:09 pm (UTC -4)
This is ridiculous.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-2:14pm at 2:14 pm (UTC -4)
The Pirates are taking us to school. Seriously pathetic. This was probably the most important game of the year to date. Can slip 4 games behind Philly tonight. Check that. Will slip 4 games behind tonight.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-2:15pm at 2:15 pm (UTC -4)
Guys its may…still got june/july/august/september to make up that ground…definatly not a season breaker…
trs86
6/4/2009-2:15pm at 2:15 pm (UTC -4)
I would not go that far yet. You do remember that we came back from like 6 back in August to take the lead right?
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
I remember that. That’s fine, but you still can’t surrender games in the 3rd inning, when your starting pitcher obviously doesn’t have it. I agree to give him the 2nd inning to see if he can find it, but he didn’t exactly find it there. He should have been out either before or after the 3rd. End of story. He had nothing today. Neither does Olendork, aside for a 5 run cushion every time he goes otu there.
gategem
6/4/2009-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
And lost it again.
Actually you don’t want to put yourself into a position where you are swimming upstream all season trying to catch the World Champions. You’ve eliminated your margin for error early in the season and a losing streak later in the season could put you in a hole that you can’t climb out of. But yes you still have 2/3rds of the season left to play.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
Last Play: D. Murphy popped out to shallow left
Isn’t that a home run for him?
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-2:32pm at 2:32 pm (UTC -4)
Last 1-2-3 inning Sean Green had, was 1R, 2H, 3E.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
is it too early for you gotta believe?
trs86
6/4/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
Well, bullpen has looked good. LOL.
mrose
6/4/2009-2:59pm at 2:59 pm (UTC -4)
hah
i keep checking every once in a while…not a good time for pelf to lay an egg…
they need a sweep in Nats country
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:00pm at 3:00 pm (UTC -4)
Fat chance
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:00pm at 3:00 pm (UTC -4)
Alright experiment over. Time to stop twiddling your thumbs and doing nothing Omar, get us a bat. Ju NOOOOOO we really need one.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
experiment?
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
Murph, 1st base. Get us a bat.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:20pm at 3:20 pm (UTC -4)
You think that would help today when we give up 11 runs?
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:03pm at 3:03 pm (UTC -4)
Putz is terrible. Completely terrible, trade him.
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
Mets, My Entire team sucks
Mets, Must end the season. Plz end the misery
Stems.
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:06pm at 3:06 pm (UTC -4)
GET RID OF PUTZ NOW. OMAR TOO STUPID F’IN GM. JERRY IS THE DUMBEST MANAGER IN THE GAME.
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
BOO
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:08pm at 3:08 pm (UTC -4)
Tk…relax.
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:09pm at 3:09 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll relax when we win another game. So make that next Friday or so.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:10pm at 3:10 pm (UTC -4)
we are all fustrated ok but that does not mean you need to act like this here. compose yourself please.
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:11pm at 3:11 pm (UTC -4)
This team has no fight. Wish they were more like the team in the Bronx. Competent GM and manager.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
THAT’S A JOKE RIGHT?
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
No. I’m serious, Cashman>Omar and Girardi>Manuel. Team>Our team.
mrose
6/4/2009-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
tkfj – no offense, but you’ve said a lot of dumb stuff this week w/ the mets losing..but that takes the cake..
if the mets spent $60 million more on payroll (and lets not get into the argument of if they should) then they probably would be like the yanks…but they didn’t..
and girardi is horrendous, if it wasn’t for hall of fame players..he’d be out of a job and the omar and cashman argument, they both have flaws…but cash has..well..cash.. and omar does have some brains and needs to make interesting deals rather than just say “I’LL GIVE YOU MONEY FOR HIM!”
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:18pm at 3:18 pm (UTC -4)
If it’s not, it should be.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-3:16pm at 3:16 pm (UTC -4)
http://riveraveblues.com/
Go enjoy yourself.
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:18pm at 3:18 pm (UTC -4)
You must be reading incorrectly. I’m a Mets fan, unfortunately, however you don’t take well to facts. Please dispute that the Omar is better than Cashman, bc he isnt. I don’t think you can find a worse manager than Manuel, so that point isnt worth arguing.
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
Cashman? The same guy who thought Kennedy and Hughes were gonna get the job done last year and said they didn’t need Santana?
Okey, dokey…..
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
One little fact, great evidence. How about Alou, El Duque, Castillo, and any number of bad decisions Omar has made. What takes the cake is Omar can’t deal with injuries, I’ve never seen a team screw up so many things regarding injuries, it is truly a joke. Cashman isn’t afraid to make moves, it appears lately that Omar is.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:29pm at 3:29 pm (UTC -4)
santana……yea cash really took the bull by its horns on that one.
mrose
6/4/2009-3:30pm at 3:30 pm (UTC -4)
so why don’t you explain to us why cashman is so great. He is like a teenager given a big allowance who gets to drive the BMW to school and his life is planned out for him at daddy’s business.
Omar and most GM’s are the teenagers who have to go to school, work a job afterschool and do their homework because nothing is given to them
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:33pm at 3:33 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I don’t think that was a ‘little’ mistake. And I could probably cite as many bonehead moves by Cashman as by Omar.
Not saying Omar didn’t make any. Just saying I don’t see Cashman as any better. In fact to me, there are only a very small % of really smart baseball guys out there who are GMs.
Last year I think we fielded a good team on paper. Problem was, they never played in more than 14 games together. What we had ready to go, what we made trades for, didn’t get it done.
This year, well it’s just bizarre.
Right now, I think we need to go out and get a SP (probably a #4 type guy) and a bat. Otherwise, with where we’re at now, especially Delgado out, I don’t know that we can compete and stay in this.
Time will tell…
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
I agree here. Problem is I don’t trust Omar to go out and provide us with what the team needs.
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve been out of commission for two days. Just tuned into the game and wow – horrible.
I guess Pelf had a really bad day and Putz – don’t even know what to say about him.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
On the bright side, Putz looks more comfortable in the 7th inning. He only gave up 2 runs.
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:25pm at 3:25 pm (UTC -4)
LOL
trs86
6/4/2009-3:21pm at 3:21 pm (UTC -4)
Gotta shut Putz down for a couple of weeks and see if he can regain anything. Should have shut him down until the weekend anyway.
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:32pm at 3:32 pm (UTC -4)
Agree. I wonder if it’s an injury or if it’s mental.
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:36pm at 3:36 pm (UTC -4)
I have to be thinking injury. He’s got the bone spur. Has it grown now in such a way that he might not be in pain but it’s preventing him from getting that speed on his FB?
Might as well DL him. That way he can feel he’s part of the party.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:24pm at 3:24 pm (UTC -4)
What about Adam LaRoche. I know Wanny will love this. But if the Pirates are dumping salary and players he would be a good one to dump and a good one to get. They can’t resign him. Maybe Murphy and a reliever?
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:25pm at 3:25 pm (UTC -4)
LaRoche, why not Johnson?
trs86
6/4/2009-3:26pm at 3:26 pm (UTC -4)
Thinking longterm, and LaRoche has more pop.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-3:27pm at 3:27 pm (UTC -4)
Pirates cant re-sign Adam Laroche? If they can’t afford him, they may as well close up shop (or ship if you prefer puns).
trs86
6/4/2009-3:29pm at 3:29 pm (UTC -4)
They have already tried to extend him and failed each time. He will get a decent amount of money because there are NO 1B available next year.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
Adam LaRoche > Daniel Murphy. I’ll take him!
gategem
6/4/2009-3:42pm at 3:42 pm (UTC -4)
Considering that the Mets payroll is already large my question is will the Wilpons allow Omar to make a trade that expands the Mets payroll? If not, it limits Omar’s options.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
Omar has said, take that for what you will, there is room in the budget for additions. LaRoche’s salary this year is not the problem. It’s what he wants for the future.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-3:26pm at 3:26 pm (UTC -4)
anyway, didn’t see the game. what was pelf prob today?
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-3:39pm at 3:39 pm (UTC -4)
Stomach virus?
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:26pm at 3:26 pm (UTC -4)
Unimportant situations is when Wright comes through. Mini A-Rod here.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:27pm at 3:27 pm (UTC -4)
Damn and I was going to make a post that Alex would be coming shortly. You seemed to have replaced Alex. Only Alex was more fun.
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
hahahaha.
jonnyballgame
6/4/2009-3:27pm at 3:27 pm (UTC -4)
That was a nice start to my day. Fantastic!!!
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:29pm at 3:29 pm (UTC -4)
Disgraceful. I don’t know how we win tommorrow with Redding going. This is bad, real bad. I could see 2-4 on this trip, aint getting it done. Hope the Phillies lose tonight, or else say hello to 4 gms back when you wake up tommorrow.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:30pm at 3:30 pm (UTC -4)
does the season end tomorrow?
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:31pm at 3:31 pm (UTC -4)
No. But i can hope the losing streak does, It would be welcome.
mrose
6/4/2009-3:31pm at 3:31 pm (UTC -4)
Dirty – you didn’t hear? its the new tkfj rules
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:30pm at 3:30 pm (UTC -4)
Alex? what’s up bro? lol
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:32pm at 3:32 pm (UTC -4)
Mr.Bill I still don’t like you bc you would go too far, I’m just pointing out facts and providing realism.
mrose
6/4/2009-3:33pm at 3:33 pm (UTC -4)
WOA
did you just say Mr Bill would go too far? and what facts do you havE? lol
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:36pm at 3:36 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve already provided some, they are clustered around the woe is me posts.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:42pm at 3:42 pm (UTC -4)
Lets see, is this a fact?
Unimportant situations is when Wright comes through?
Cashman isn’t afraid to make moves, it appears lately that Omar is.?
I don’t think you can find a worse manager than Manuel, so that point isnt worth arguing?
GET RID OF PUTZ NOW. OMAR TOO STUPID F’IN GM. JERRY IS THE DUMBEST MANAGER IN THE GAME?
Now which one of those are provable facts and not biased opinions?
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
3rd one. Find me a more unintelligent manager then Jerry. I agree the rest were angry rantings and ravings, It’s what I do.
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
And you do it so well – lol.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:50pm at 3:50 pm (UTC -4)
But your point was you have facts. Can you backup that Manuel is the worst manager? How about Sweet Lou who has his team right around .500?
How about Manny Acta? Cecil Cooper, Clint Hurdle and Jim Tracy, the guy in Arizona who has never been a damn manager before.
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:36pm at 3:36 pm (UTC -4)
you don’t like me?? oh, nooooooooooooooo
trs86
6/4/2009-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
Mr. Bill you don’t have to take this. LOL.
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:31pm at 3:31 pm (UTC -4)
Even with all the problems the mets have right now i still didn’t think they were going to be swept by the pirates.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:38pm at 3:38 pm (UTC -4)
Man, paging the real Mr. Bill. LOL.
I don’t have your confidence with Redding pitching.
saltygary
6/4/2009-3:33pm at 3:33 pm (UTC -4)
god I hop on an hour long flight and all hell breaks lose. No trade is going to help this. The team needs to buckle down get healthy and where we are and what options there are next month.
saltygary
6/4/2009-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
Hey mrose is the a way to limit how narrow replies become once the 4th reply happens? On my iPhone the response gets so narrow that there is only one word per line and most of it gets cut off by the screen.
mrose
6/4/2009-3:38pm at 3:38 pm (UTC -4)
i am not sure..but i can check into that salty
saltygary
6/4/2009-3:40pm at 3:40 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you sir.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
come on people, Pelf had a bad day. The team scored 6 runs. Pelf has been good this year and had a bad day. No reason to go all crazy here. You have to take it one game at a time. Time to move on.
saltygary
6/4/2009-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
Here here
gategem
6/4/2009-5:38pm at 5:38 pm (UTC -4)
Or as Sy Sperling would say “hair, hair.â€
metsgirl31
6/4/2009-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
I agree…or should I say I will agree with this tomorrow…right now it’s hard to find a positive in losing 3 straight to the Pirates. They just can’t get any consistency with all these injuries I guess.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:47pm at 3:47 pm (UTC -4)
Completely agree.
gategem
6/4/2009-4:04pm at 4:04 pm (UTC -4)
I would be willing to dismiss these three loses as the performance of an undermanned squad but it’s hard to dismiss Putz’s performance. His acquisition was one of the highlights of the offseason and he was considered to be a key player in the 2009 season.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
bingo! You get the golden star young lady ;p
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
Like Gary said “the rain out was their best day”
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:40pm at 3:40 pm (UTC -4)
Lets hope we get rained out again tommorrow.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:43pm at 3:43 pm (UTC -4)
Might not be bad, with Redding pitching we may see a lot of YOU.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
I’m going to washington with a few fire trucks to douse the field. Who’s coming with me???
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
It would have been better if Bobby V was there to help put the tarp on. One question. At Citi Field, is the tarp spelled TARP?
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:43pm at 3:43 pm (UTC -4)
I can’t help thinking we are one more injury away from this season getting away. And I mean injury to SP. Omar went out and got depth (or his idea of depth), but mostly it didn’t work out. Garcia is gone, Redding isn’t getting it done. Only Livan has been a pleasant surprise.
Ollie is among the MIA right now. It’s a very shaky rotation. I still say our top priority right now is a #4 type starter. If they want to open the purse strings and/or deplete prospects, then a bat too.
I’m normally very optimistic but looking at this realistically, this could get away from us by the ASB. I’m just hoping we get Reyes/Church back, the offense picks up, Redding throws a couple of good games and we’re still in competition.
Oh yeah, and it would help if the Phillies with their God awful pitching would actually lose a game or two – lol.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:46pm at 3:46 pm (UTC -4)
What about trying to get Duke and LaRoche?
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:47pm at 3:47 pm (UTC -4)
A week ago, I would say ‘pass’. Today, I’m seriously starting to look at this. Might be just what is needed.
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:48pm at 3:48 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, and I really like Duke. Not sure what it would take to get these two though. If we’re really in the ‘win’ today mode, we might have to really deplete the farm system to do it. Scary…
trs86
6/4/2009-3:51pm at 3:51 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t THINK we would as both are due for FA soon. Duke is in his 4th year and LaRoche will be a FA.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:46pm at 3:46 pm (UTC -4)
lol…the phillies have been winning the games they are supposed to win. Their pitching is not going to hold up. I think we all got a bit spoiled with the mets hot streak but we are not being brought back to reality in that we dont have a very good team right now with all the injuries. Today the offense did ok but the SP didnt come through. The relief corps did ok though(except putz). Just bad timing…
trs86
6/4/2009-3:47pm at 3:47 pm (UTC -4)
I would not say winning in SD against a team that was playing well with Peavy pitching is a game they should win.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:52pm at 3:52 pm (UTC -4)
well..right now we know thier offense is carrying that team…and because of it the pitching issue has been masked. They are at the mercy of their offense imo. Its not going to last. People need to remember that theres what over 50 mil in DL…we have fmart starting for goodness sake. Imo we should have been modestly realistic.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
I disagree again, right NOW their pitching has been playing way above what their season norm is. Have you seen Happ’s numbers?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:54pm at 3:54 pm (UTC -4)
lol thats how they won last year..their pitching was way above the season norms..do you really think thats gonig to last?
trs86
6/4/2009-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t know?
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:55pm at 3:55 pm (UTC -4)
And that’s EXACTLY what their pitching did last year.
These guys, for the most part, are not any better than our Mets – in my opinion. I just cannot believe what they can always pull out of that hat.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:54pm at 3:54 pm (UTC -4)
I do agree on the injuries but how far can we fall behind and then expect to come back. It’s way early but possibly getting swept by the Pirates with Johan and Pelfrey pitching in the series is going to hurt.
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
Agree. My point exactly. You just go to the heart of it short and sweet.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
yea but its not unsurmountable(spl?)…the phillies will not keep this up. When we get our horses back we can make a push. Remember real we have more than 100 games still left. Plenty of time.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed but still can we count on shoulds?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:01pm at 4:01 pm (UTC -4)
hey i mean feel free to jump of a bridge..just dont criticize me if i dont join you. This is tough yes but its WAYYY to early to get freaked out about standings…especially since its only 4 games.
trs86
6/4/2009-4:03pm at 4:03 pm (UTC -4)
Dirty you know I don’t do that.
I am just saying we need to make a move.
We can’t count on Delgado, Reyes, Perez all coming back healthy and performing AND on the Phillies pitching to falter.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:05pm at 4:05 pm (UTC -4)
lol i know real. Lets continue this on a fresh thread below…
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, I’m hanging onto that that, Dirty.
Just a tiny voice that keeps nagging me, reminding me that I kept saying last year ‘Lidge won’t keep this up’…..
I still say we can do this. But bare minimum, I really believe we need a #4 type SP to get it done.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:03pm at 4:03 pm (UTC -4)
lol well that voice is telling you that because i think he already blown 4 saves… lol
Well our #4 is in the minors rehabbing…unless you can tell omar the lucky team that will be bless to have ollies services other than us ;p
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
These are the games that come back to hunt them later on.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:04pm at 4:04 pm (UTC -4)
true but last year was different. We were never this bangged up this late. Remember last year we blew 29 games and were NEVER the best BP in the Majors..this year we are the best in the majors…BIG DIFFERENCE.
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:10pm at 4:10 pm (UTC -4)
Best BP in the majors? on paper yes.
On the field:
Putz and Green= not so good
Parnell= good but it’s too early to tell.
K-Rod= perfect.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:13pm at 4:13 pm (UTC -4)
statistically we are or very close to the top(dont know how to look up those stats)
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
Dirty, with all the injuries the mets have, the pirates was the perfect team to beat. At least they needed to win today knowing Reddding is pitching tomorrow.
mrbill
6/4/2009-3:48pm at 3:48 pm (UTC -4)
their God awful pitching would actually lose a game or two – lol.
that pitching doesn’t look that awful now, does it?
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
ha – but I don’t think their pitching is getting it done. It’s their offense doing what it needs to be doing for the most part, to compensate.
I hate the Phillies. I will go so far as to say that the Phillies have become the Braves to me of a decade ago. The Braves fans (if you could find them) never really annoyed me. The Phil fans? It’s hard for me to say who I can’t stand more – them or their team.
I really want to see them fall apart – so then I can listen to their fans whine.
metsgirl31
6/4/2009-3:55pm at 3:55 pm (UTC -4)
oh man i couldn’t agree more with every word you said…i used to live near Philly and have 1 friend in particular who is a Philly fan and WOW…last year was brutal. Thankfully when I lived up there the Phillies stunk so I didn’t get it in person.
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
hahaha – I would hate to be living in the heart of Phillie country.
I’ve got 2 family members living in South Jersey who are Phils fans. I refused to take their calls last Oct. – LOL.
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
South Jersey doesnt exist, it’s another state completely.
metsgirl31
6/4/2009-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
yea i tried that but then i was ridiculed for being a “girl” and not being able to take the ribbing i supposedly deserved for being a Met fan…brutal i tell ya.
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:50pm at 3:50 pm (UTC -4)
yankees get another cheap hr to win. maybe we need to build a little league stadium too.
trs86
6/4/2009-3:52pm at 3:52 pm (UTC -4)
Why not, you seem to like every other thing they have to offer or do.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
Yahoo says the homer was to deep left. Should they change it to:
“M. Cabrera homered to shallow left.”?
tkfj
6/4/2009-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
I’m serious. They don’t deserve at least 7 of the wins they have. It’s a disgrace to baseball that any team has that advantage 81 games a year.
trs86
6/4/2009-4:01pm at 4:01 pm (UTC -4)
As much of a homer dome it is don’t the other teams get an advantage? So is it fair that our park is big and we have a lot of speed? I don’t get rapped up in blaming ballparks.
tkfj
6/4/2009-4:02pm at 4:02 pm (UTC -4)
Fine It’s a disgrace that the hr’s they win on arent legitamite shots.
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:04pm at 4:04 pm (UTC -4)
good point real…
stickguy
6/4/2009-4:05pm at 4:05 pm (UTC -4)
To me, the injury bug also raises the real question: Should they “gut” the farm for a shot at this year, even though the move isn’t likely to make the difference?
Or, just try to fight through the injuries, break in some prospects, and see what happens, even if it means focusing on 2010?
THe good GMs (think White Sox a few years back) look realistically at the big picture. The bad ones put on rose colored glasses (think: V. Zambrano) and make trades that hurt for years to come.
IMO, the “big” acquisitions are going to be guys they already have. Reyes, Putz, Wagner, Delgado (maybe). And hopefully some help from the minors (F Mart, Holt, maybe some unexpected RP arm).
DOn’t fixate on the Phils, or trying to win the division. Just get the roster and line up stabalized, and stay in the mix to at least snag the WC.
Instead of falling apart in Spetember, get helathy and hot and storm into the playoffs.
And don’t panic and trade the farm for poor stop gaps or albatross contracts.
trs86
6/4/2009-4:07pm at 4:07 pm (UTC -4)
Stick that is a great question. Do we pack it up and ride it out or do we try and fix the problem with stop gaps for decent prospects or do we gut the farm for difference makers?
Who wants to make a poll?
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-4:14pm at 4:14 pm (UTC -4)
A poll would be cool.
Will we become the Yankees – always trading the farm system for the big names to win now? Do we even WANT to be like that?
Don’t often listen to Mike F. but was in the car yesterday coming back from the airport. He’s convinced the Mets have to gut the farm system to get what they need and need to do it NOW.
Then he went on and on about it’s a sure lock the Yanks and Boston are a lock for post season with leader and WC already sewed up. And he said thank God b/c Oct. just sux in this town with no Yankee baseball. Then amended that to say no NY baseball. Like the Mets going into post season would have been a consolation prize if the Yanks didn’t make it.
Now I know why I stopped listening to him after Mad Dog left….
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:16pm at 4:16 pm (UTC -4)
Like the Mets going into post season would have been a consolation prize if the Yanks didn’t make it.
Actually, this is funny….
metsfan4decades
6/4/2009-4:20pm at 4:20 pm (UTC -4)
Come on – only funny if you’re a Yankee fan.
We’ve been the step child of MLB sports in NY for as long as the Mets have been in existance.
Reading Fear and Faith in Flushing. He does a great job of summing up what it’s like to be a Mets fan in NY. This guy is only a couple of years younger than me and been a fan for as long. He talks about band wagon fans of ’73, then most of his friends leaving for the Yankees in the late 70′s, then how the whole city was a Met fan in ’86.
Leaving the Mets as a fan to join the ranks of Yankee fans? I cannot even fathom even remotely wanting to do that.
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:30pm at 4:30 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t care what the media, Yankee fans or other teams’ fans say about the mets. I only care about the team winning.
I just found your comment funny. Don’t read too much into it…… I didn’t.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:11pm at 4:11 pm (UTC -4)
agree 100%!!!!
tkfj
6/4/2009-4:19pm at 4:19 pm (UTC -4)
I think its obvious that Omar has to make moves, but the problem is the magnitude of the moves he makes. Lets be honest minor deals arent going to get the job done, but a major deal mortgages the future. There are a few moves however that make sense, at least to me.
-1. Is to get a bat, its clear that we need one. DeRosa fills many voids, but isnt neccessarily a power bat. I don’t know what power bats can be had however.
-2. Back end pitching. I like Marquis, or Washburn, but anything is better than Redding.
One thing we can’t do is tell our fans that we have no chance to win this year. It is the wrong message to send so early in the season, with a new ballpark. Makes no sense whatsoever.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:15pm at 4:15 pm (UTC -4)
Guys yes it sucks we lost to the pirates but frankly this is not our best shot. Remember in april when we lost to the padres and other underachieving teams but in may we turned it around. We are playing undermanned and its starting to show. We are still in it. The phillies are not going to run away with this division…frankly nobody is…
metsgirl31
6/4/2009-4:19pm at 4:19 pm (UTC -4)
The rational side of my brain agrees and understands this…but it is hard to believe it right now. But these injuries are really taking their toll on this team.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:26pm at 4:26 pm (UTC -4)
thats just the bottom line girl..the injuries are taking their toll on this team…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/4/2009-4:29pm at 4:29 pm (UTC -4)
Losing sucks big time.
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:33pm at 4:33 pm (UTC -4)
Putz just said he’s going to NY and he might need surgery… oh boy
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:35pm at 4:35 pm (UTC -4)
finally….hopefully they can fix him and he will come back better. Thats an instance in which playing through an injury hurts a team…
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:38pm at 4:38 pm (UTC -4)
is the DL roster complete now? lol
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:39pm at 4:39 pm (UTC -4)
LMAO…yea i heard that team DL got a hellova squad lmaooo
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-4:39pm at 4:39 pm (UTC -4)
Hey mr bill—actually, that is very possibly good news…it holds out some hope that he may come back in a month or two and be good again….
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:42pm at 4:42 pm (UTC -4)
Hey Kingman…. I’m just saying ANOTHER injury. These metsis are dropping like flies.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-4:46pm at 4:46 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah bill, you are 100% right man….it is unreal and makes you wonder if it was the WBC or poor conditioning for the whole team or both. Wright and KRod have been fine, but Reyes, Delgado, Cora, Putz, Ollie–all WBC guys.
Have you checked the upcoming schedule? This could get really damn ugly.
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
The upcoming schedule is scary… That’s why they needed to beat the pirates….especially today because Redding is pitching tomorrow. oh well
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-4:52pm at 4:52 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed 100% mr bill….
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
It was supposed to get ugly when we went to Boston. This team will always surprise you. The story of the day wasn’t Pelfrey’s clunker. Instead, it was Manuel’s failure to remove him after everyone else in the building saw that he didn’t have it. Pelf should have been out of that game either after the 3rd inning, or after he hit the guy with a pitch. End of story.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:34pm at 4:34 pm (UTC -4)
Ok here are some observations and thoughts
1) looks like the mets are going to give murphy the year to learn 1b as he will be the 1bman for the future. They will platoon with tatis
2) with a lineup of beltran/sheffield/wright, where would a big bat play? 1 and 2 are usually locked up, so our power bat would bat 6th?
3) The outfield seems to be the only real place to add a bat but who is available. Shef would play most of the time and we can use the rotation of OF bench players to rotate and give him rest. That might be the day that our big bat hits in the 4 hole.
4) The yankees were down 14 games in the AL east one year and had problems similar to us with health that year but came back. I just keep reminding myself that as we are in a similar predicament.
5) The last two years we have overcome games in the division only to get done in by our bullpen. Im sure we can all agree that the bullpen has improved so i think that will play the biggest part in the mets making the post season this year
6) I dont see omar moving ollie. When ollie comes back he will slot in the 4 hole. Livan should remain as #5. Not sure who we can trade with redding but thats the only spot that is not really getting the job done but he is only really supposed to be in the bullpen so if we do cut ties, it cant be for someoen really that serious. Figgy is always available and can do reddings job if necessary.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:38pm at 4:38 pm (UTC -4)
check this out by adam rubin
Usually reserved Carlos Beltran sounded off after the Mets lost to the Pirates, 11-6, Thursday and were swept.
“The reality of this is coming here to Pittsburgh and getting swept, me, I feel embarrassed,” Beltran said. “I don’t think it’s fun. I think we should find a way to play better and to focus more on what we need to accomplish. …
“We have to play better. There’s no doubt we have to play better. I mean, we have to take this personally. It can’t happen. It can’t happen us being able to come here and lose three games just like that. It just can’t happen. Three games with this team — I know they’re a big-league ballclub, but we’re better than them. We’re better than them. And we know we’re better than them, but we have to do something about it. (Nate) McLouth wasn’t there and they still come out and score how many runs — 11? Eleven runs. We have to play better.”
coming from a guy who missed the majority of the series but very interesting
also to back up bills comment also from adam rubin
Breaking news: J.J. Putz will be in New York on Friday for an examination on his right elbow. He may need surgery to remove the bone spur, but will wait for the recommendation for team doctors. More to follow.
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:40pm at 4:40 pm (UTC -4)
Even Beltran says these losses are a big deal.
billydeewilliams
6/4/2009-4:42pm at 4:42 pm (UTC -4)
beltran’s angry that he’s having an mvp type season and no one will notice it if this team doesn’t snap out of it. i like it.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:51pm at 4:51 pm (UTC -4)
lol well he had an mvp type stomach virus that sidelined him while a gimpy shef managed to strap up and play..we needed beltran. I like the anger but cmon…
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-4:54pm at 4:54 pm (UTC -4)
try hitting with diarrhea
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-4:56pm at 4:56 pm (UTC -4)
lol ill pass
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-4:57pm at 4:57 pm (UTC -4)
As one of Batman’s foes once said, Egggggcelent.
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:59pm at 4:59 pm (UTC -4)
LMAO
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-5:02pm at 5:02 pm (UTC -4)
That’s what Beltran would have been doing if he tried to hit. Well, something his AO.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-4:44pm at 4:44 pm (UTC -4)
a) can we just reccomend Putz go under the knife? if so, put up a poll and maybe he’ll listen to us. i’d rather have a healthy jj on july 12, than an unhealthy one the rest of the way. but, i prefer pbj to jj, no matter what.
b) carlos beltran is the best player on this team, bar none. far and away. not even close. those of us that don’t like the “fire” or “edge” that he has, don’t understand baseball. he’s the most complete player i have ever seen put on a mets uniform.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-4:41pm at 4:41 pm (UTC -4)
Wow, tkfj, welcome to this site.
I sure want this blog to succeed, but I sure don’t want to have to put up with clownish nonsense like the old place.
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-4:46pm at 4:46 pm (UTC -4)
Mr Bill,
Is there any truth to the rumor that you are The Gingerbread Man from Shrek, reincarnate?
mrbill
6/4/2009-4:48pm at 4:48 pm (UTC -4)
LOL… maybe, maybe not… I’ll never tell
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-4:53pm at 4:53 pm (UTC -4)
Did you see Melky’s pop out to sect121, row b?
There's Always '27
6/4/2009-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
K-Rod needed a breather anyway.