Jun 04
According to several sources, Jose Reyes has a tear in his right hamstring tendon. There is not timetable for his return and they are classifying this as a “New Injury”. SERENITY NOW!!!!
props to Smooth for the tip off
Check this out for some great info by The Ropolitans
Update:
Per Bart Hubbuch, Reyes out 4-6 Weeks
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328 comments
rustyjr
6/4/2009-8:27pm at 8:27 pm (UTC -4)
We have to reevaluate our trainers and our doctors because ray ramireez and the staff from the hospital for joint desirses ain’t cutting it
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
ive never seen this before rust…the only thing comparable would be the yanks a few years ago and they fired their conditioning people. I have no idea what the mets are going to do…there is no contingency plan nor do we have the prospects to get something done. This is not looking very good in the short term.
rustyjr
6/4/2009-8:34pm at 8:34 pm (UTC -4)
I’m not gonna go overboard here – but this is serious
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:38pm at 8:38 pm (UTC -4)
neither am i but this is not good….
gipperpdx
6/4/2009-8:49pm at 8:49 pm (UTC -4)
Ray Ramirez MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
smooth
6/4/2009-8:28pm at 8:28 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for the cred! =) I’m always refreshing my twitter for any breaking news on the mets
mrose
6/4/2009-8:31pm at 8:31 pm (UTC -4)
so uhhh
what free agents are available next year?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
lolll
smooth
6/4/2009-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
so the next question is, does this mean jonathan malo gets called up? alex cora cannot go everyday. Is omar on the phone working on mark derosa? This team could survive if we somehow pulled off Mark Derosa and Matt Holliday/Carlos Lee.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
malo is omars last option imo…he does not want to carry him on the roster next year to protect him from rule 5. I dont know even with derosa if we can do this..we need a bigger bat…
rustyjr
6/4/2009-8:35pm at 8:35 pm (UTC -4)
Willy mo pena anyone ?
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:36pm at 8:36 pm (UTC -4)
it’s his time, his team.
But can he play SS?
rustyjr
6/4/2009-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
Damien easley? Rey sanchez, frank traveras ? Rey ordonez?
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
actually, why did they call up that stiff EMil Brown instead of WIly Mo?
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:36pm at 8:36 pm (UTC -4)
well that, and the fact that Malo pretty much (how do I put this politely… Sucks!)
metsgirl31
6/4/2009-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
Love the Seinfeld reference here…but seriously hearing the words “Reyes” and “hamstring” in the same sentence is a nightmare for any Met fan. Things went from bad to way worse hearing this news. I do not envy Omar his job in the next couple weeks.
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
Geez, the panic must be swelling in the ranks.
I will assume (until I see him in a boxscore) that, like with Delgado, Jose is out for the year. For someone so dependant on his legs, not easy to return from.
Also this means the Mets should be LESS likely to make a prospect-dumping trade. At some point, there are too many leaks in the dike and not enough fingers.
THey do, however, need to settle on a SS. And I don’t think it is Cora. How about a radical move:
Ruben Tejada!
Hey, he has the glove. And at this point, that’s about all you are going to hope to get at SS.
If your offense is in tatters, might as well play guys that can pick it!
I do think the Sheffield has shot the load, and his body is going to collapse soon, so don’t expect to have him around much longer. So better hope CHurch finds his stroke soon.
Look, if you have 4 gaping holes on the filed, what’s the point of overpaying for 1 guy (and gutting the farm) that isn’t that much of an upgrade, and still leaves the other 3 holes? Most likely it won’t be enough, and you are screwing the future.
Take the opportunity (like with F Mart) to get some of the future guys a taste. Not much to lose at this point.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:36pm at 8:36 pm (UTC -4)
yea but now you deal with protection from rule 5 for next year. Tejada/malo are very young and are not in our future plans for some time. Bringing them up starts their clock and now omar has to protect them for next year by having them i think its on the 40 man roster. Which im sure he does not want to do. We are in deep trouble as i am with you that shef cant keep this up. Wright/Beltran is our only guys. We need a big bat for #4.
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
well, they usually have some trash on the 40 man. But better would be dumping Castillo, and having Teada take over 2B.
OK, I might be getting a little slappy here myself..
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:40pm at 8:40 pm (UTC -4)
loll stick…the funny thing is that castillo has quietly put together a good season and has been the most dependable out of the group lol. Tejada is years away imo and i doubt we will see them. They have got to do something though….
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:44pm at 8:44 pm (UTC -4)
castillo is still a weak link. They can hide him if they have bats elsewehre, but not with this line up.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:46pm at 8:46 pm (UTC -4)
he’s good leading off
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:40pm at 8:40 pm (UTC -4)
“At some point, there are too many leaks in the dike and not enough fingers.”
“I do think the Sheffield has shot the load”
“So better hope CHurch finds his stroke soon.”
“Look, if you have 4 gaping holes…and you are screwing the future.”
dude, who are you? Dirk Diggler
where’s the sensors?
gland
6/4/2009-8:42pm at 8:42 pm (UTC -4)
That’s what she said!
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:45pm at 8:45 pm (UTC -4)
So, was Sensor for Censor Fruedian, or intentional?
And man, you really twisted my little dutch boy reference!
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:55pm at 8:55 pm (UTC -4)
i wish that was intentional
gland
6/4/2009-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
I think they can get by with Cora at SS if they make a trade for another bat.
Carlos Lee would be nice. Then you can platoon Sheff and Church/Reed/etc. in right. Lee has a huge contract…maybe if the Mets paid it they wouldn’t have to pony up as much in prospects.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
thats my thinking as well. Perfect guy for #4. Hit beltran in front and wright behind…not bad
gland
6/4/2009-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
What do you think they’d need to give up to get him? I believe he has three more years on his contract?
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:41pm at 8:41 pm (UTC -4)
1st, a boa load of cash. But if they take the contract, probably not much in the way of prospects.
ALthough if he has a no trade clasue as reported, might be a moot point.
gland
6/4/2009-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
from Cot’s:
07:$11M, 08:$12M, 09:$18.5M, 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$18.5M
full no-trade clause, 2007-2010
contract includes nominal weight clause
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:46pm at 8:46 pm (UTC -4)
you remember the report from the other blog a while ago that they gave omar the green light to spend more if he saw fit…well i think this calls from it!
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:50pm at 8:50 pm (UTC -4)
Breaking!!! Omar seen withdrawing a boat load of money from the Citi Field ATM’s, was overheard mumbling, “El Caballo”
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:59pm at 8:59 pm (UTC -4)
lmao thanks case..i needed that
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-8:56pm at 8:56 pm (UTC -4)
We could of signed Lee three years ago but no, we had to instead sign Moises Alou.
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:35pm at 8:35 pm (UTC -4)
well, if you want to look at the potential bright side, they might get a much better draft pick in 2010!
Mr North Jersey
6/4/2009-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
Talk about a chain of events
Reddings right shoulder is followed by Pagan
Pagan’s Right elbow is followed by Schneieder
Schneider’s strained back is followed by Ollie
Ollie’s tendinitis is followed by Delgado
Delgado’s right hip is followed by Cora
Cora’s right thumb is followed by Church
Church’s hamstring is followed by Reyes
Reyes tendinitis is followed by Pagan
Pagan’s right groin is followed by R. Martinez
R. Martinez fractued finger is followed by
Reyes torn hamstring and…………….
When does it stop?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
forgot putz…
i have no idea man….its like a snow ball with this team and its rollinnn
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
right about 10/2 this year.
rustyjr
6/4/2009-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
Guys I got the interview !!!
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:42pm at 8:42 pm (UTC -4)
dad was home?
smooth
6/4/2009-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
A trade has to come soon, the mets are not the type of team that can afford to throw away a season especially after the way ’07 ’08 ended. Fact is Alex Cora cannot play SS everyday, he’s being a man playing with a torn thumb ligament when he could have opted for surgery. Mark Derosa just became a MUST for this team, and we need a power bat for the cleanup spot as well. If omar has to gut the farm to get these needs filled then so be it, but we need some sort of help.
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:42pm at 8:42 pm (UTC -4)
Derosa can’t play SS everyday either. Given the current needs, where is he going to play?
smooth
6/4/2009-8:44pm at 8:44 pm (UTC -4)
he can play any infield position and LF if we need. hes the quick fix for all the holes on this team
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:45pm at 8:45 pm (UTC -4)
lol thats the great thing about derosa…everywhere!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
right…i think they need to evaluate where they will get their help from
my guess is power has to come from the outfield
derosa would be great but our energy has to be spent on a big bat
imo we should keep fmart up
castillo 2b
fmart RF
beltran CF
lee RF
wright 3b
derosa SS
murphy 1b
omir C
smooth
6/4/2009-8:46pm at 8:46 pm (UTC -4)
thats a very respectable lineup, that could be expected to compete. The McClouth deal makes the braves lineup pretty deep when i looked at it and of course the phillies score 5 runs without even trying
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:48pm at 8:48 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I guess that’s a good way to cover for Lee’s lack of range. Play F Mart over there with him!
And I still say Derosa trying to play SS everyday will be a disaster. Might as well just use Tatis. Or hell, activate HoJo and let him play.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:57pm at 8:57 pm (UTC -4)
Like Mr. Rollins said last year. One man doesn’t make a team!
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:58pm at 8:58 pm (UTC -4)
wrong thread
rustyjr
6/4/2009-8:40pm at 8:40 pm (UTC -4)
Guys I got the interview !!! I mean omar conducting it in 2 weeks
mrose
6/4/2009-8:42pm at 8:42 pm (UTC -4)
wait what? you got an interview w/ omar?
rustyjr
6/4/2009-8:50pm at 8:50 pm (UTC -4)
I meant on 2 weeks with swoboda
mrose
6/4/2009-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
great man! that will be an awesome help!
mrose
6/4/2009-8:42pm at 8:42 pm (UTC -4)
Victorino out of the lineup with a hip injury
smooth
6/4/2009-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
that actually made me feel a little better lol
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:50pm at 8:50 pm (UTC -4)
what is up with all these hip injuries? You never used to see them.
Is this a roid-related issue?
gland
6/4/2009-8:57pm at 8:57 pm (UTC -4)
that’s the new popular injury. last year it was quad pulls.
hip flexor is the new quad pull!
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-9:56pm at 9:56 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll bet you Omar gets a pass this season if we don’t make the playoff because of all the injuries.
gipperpdx
6/4/2009-8:45pm at 8:45 pm (UTC -4)
2010, here we come, baby!!!!!!
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:45pm at 8:45 pm (UTC -4)
so, we’ll start seeing F-Mart leading off? but that would hurt Church, which we all agree needs reg at bats so we know what we have.
Castillo
Murph
Beltran
Shef
Wright
Church
Santos
Cora
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:51pm at 8:51 pm (UTC -4)
that looks to be about right.
smooth
6/4/2009-9:00pm at 9:00 pm (UTC -4)
Cora has done a good job batting leadoff, i think Manuel will go with this
Cora
Castillo
Beltran
Shef
Wright
Church
Murphy
Santos
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-8:58pm at 8:58 pm (UTC -4)
FMart in LF, Church in RF. Sheff is cracking too.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-9:00pm at 9:00 pm (UTC -4)
if so,
Castillo
Murph
Beltran
Wright
Church
F-Mart
Santos
Cora
fongy2
6/4/2009-8:46pm at 8:46 pm (UTC -4)
This is truly a disaster!
Torn Hamstring=Out for the season.
The most important player on this team. Omar, be smart here:
Sell, Sell, Sell!
smooth
6/4/2009-8:53pm at 8:53 pm (UTC -4)
They are saying he will be out till the all star break, but i cant understand how reyes will be able to play with a “slight tear” as they are calling it. Unless that can be fixed with rehab, im assuming thats the route theyre going to go and avoid surgery.
fongy2
6/4/2009-8:55pm at 8:55 pm (UTC -4)
Ask Kirk Gibson about
“a slight hamstring tear” See ya in the
Spring Jose.
smooth
6/4/2009-8:57pm at 8:57 pm (UTC -4)
4-6 weeks according to the mets
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/mets/archives/2009/06/torn_hamstring.html
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:01pm at 9:01 pm (UTC -4)
Ahh,
yeah,
Okay.
fongy2
6/4/2009-8:48pm at 8:48 pm (UTC -4)
Oh and I’m sure the WBC had nothing to do with all these injuries.
Hope the Wilpons learned a lesson.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:54pm at 8:54 pm (UTC -4)
ha, Reyes played like two games. Come on fong.
Plus, how is it torn three months later?
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:00pm at 9:00 pm (UTC -4)
I tried to explain this
over and over,These guys were playing full
gms after limited S.T.
AND playing HARD.Serious baseball
at a time when normally
they’d be playing 2/3innings,if at all
during that time.
Just take a look at
all our guys AND those
around Baseball who are/have been injured
so early in the season.
If you think its a coinscience,fine thats
how you feel.Me,I think
its more than that.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-9:05pm at 9:05 pm (UTC -4)
Reyes only had 9 A.B.s and two were Ks. Sorry, I’m not it w/ Jose.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-9:06pm at 9:06 pm (UTC -4)
i’m not buying it w/ jose
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:16pm at 9:16 pm (UTC -4)
Ever think you
might be wrong?
’cause I might.
stickguy
6/4/2009-8:54pm at 8:54 pm (UTC -4)
As painful for me to say this is, but I agree (sorta) with Fong.
Maybe not sell, but don’t neccesarily buy either. at least at the expense of the top prospects.
A year like this (think, 1987) you almost have to take the long term view. Do what you can to cover, but focus on the next 3 years, not just 2009.
So, take what you got, add a few (reasonable pirce in prospect) plug ins, and give it your best shot.
And have Omar pull the old gather everyone together, and tell them to look around, becasue these are the guys you are going to war with, and The calvery isn’t coming speech.
IOW< the old No Mas!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-8:58pm at 8:58 pm (UTC -4)
look…these guys are not out for the year but they mets cannot survive with what they got now. They only got two guys in the offense that are ledgit bats, and both are cold right now. I dont think they write the season off but just make moves to give them a shot for when the guys come back, there wont be a log jam and we will be competitive. OF is the place they have to look to get power. They can still pull this off imo but Omar has to make one REALLY big/smart move.
stickguy
6/4/2009-9:02pm at 9:02 pm (UTC -4)
Unfortuneately, the thought of Omar trying to make that one big/smart move gives me the chills right down my spine.
THe possibilities to screw up the team for the rest of my lieftime are endless!
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:07pm at 9:07 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed!
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
I smell Vlad Guerrero
stickguy
6/4/2009-9:09pm at 9:09 pm (UTC -4)
Bletrans knees would go on strike if he had to play between SHeff and Vlad.
Talk about 5 years to olate!
smooth
6/4/2009-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
please no! Vlad is at the end of the road
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-8:58pm at 8:58 pm (UTC -4)
Like Mr. Rollins said last year. One man doesn’t make a team!
smooth
6/4/2009-9:01pm at 9:01 pm (UTC -4)
Damn its come to the point where we are using Jimmy Rollins qoutes for inspiration lol
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:05pm at 9:05 pm (UTC -4)
Trouble is that for 4yrs now,as Reyes goes
so go the Mets.
In combo with all these
other injuries,Omar
Can not be trading kids
so that we can win 86gms and miss the playoffs instead of 81gms and miss the playoffs.
stickguy
6/4/2009-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
agreed, plus I don’t see where he can make a trade that will give them 5 more wins, or hell, he should do it anyway!
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-8:59pm at 8:59 pm (UTC -4)
Where I used to live, that was Rick Pitino gathering around a pitiful Celtics squad and telling them “Larry Bird is not walking through that door.”
smooth
6/4/2009-9:02pm at 9:02 pm (UTC -4)
LOL that speech was a classic
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:02pm at 9:02 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah. Omar as George Patton!
That’ll work!
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-9:10pm at 9:10 pm (UTC -4)
Guys, you uh gotta win, you know what I’m sayin’? I mean look, we gotta good ballclub and so uh, yeah.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-9:06pm at 9:06 pm (UTC -4)
I’m still curious as to what happened on that plane trip to the west coast when Reyes came down with his mysterious leg injury. Now they rushed him back and he tears his hamstring trying to compenate for the calf. This medical and conditioning staff is a joke. Get rid of them! They constantly understate injuries. They rush players back or keep them on the roster too long before DL’ing them. These guys are in denial. I am disgusted right now with management and the medical staff. Seriously, I am pissed!
Reyes cannot be replaced. A power bat can be, but not a player of his all-around caliber. This sucks!
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
It is the worst possible
situation.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:13pm at 9:13 pm (UTC -4)
No, it is not THE worst possible, which would involve injured Venezuelan pitchers whose names I will not even mention in this sentence.
We are near DEFCON 1 with the schedule we have approaching though.
The pitching staff and absolutely fantastic fundamentals, baserunning, and fielding are all that can save us now.
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:14pm at 9:14 pm (UTC -4)
Sorry my friend
you’re just wrong.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:31pm at 9:31 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, you may be right, the more I think about it.
Pelf getting shelled today was a shock to me, and this news about Reyes is just beyond belief. I was ready for him to be back this weekend, and near full strength for the Phils and Yanks next week.
smooth
6/4/2009-9:12pm at 9:12 pm (UTC -4)
Dont expect to hear any better news tomorrow on Putz, i think its 100% hes going to have surgery. We have a $8.6 million team option next season on him, i think its fair to say that wont be picked up
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:13pm at 9:13 pm (UTC -4)
Agree
stickguy
6/4/2009-9:07pm at 9:07 pm (UTC -4)
this line up:
Castillo
Murph
Beltran
Wright
Church
F-Mart (when Sheffield inevitably goes down)
Santos
Cora
Is not great, but servicable if the guys in the middle hit.
But what it really means is, they have to win with pitching, defense (this is actually a pretty good defensive team), hustle, smart play, small ball, and of course, more pitching.
Getting a big bat would be fine, but I can’t believe it is really coming soon.
A better #4/5 starter to replace Redding? That might (say Marquis) by taking on salary.
And yeah, a better SS solution, but I think it will just be Cora and Valdez for his glove.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-9:10pm at 9:10 pm (UTC -4)
it’s true. most teams don’t have good offensive SS.
The mets are still fast w/o him and can get on base just as much.
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:12pm at 9:12 pm (UTC -4)
When hes going well,he changes gms.
CaseStreet
6/4/2009-9:16pm at 9:16 pm (UTC -4)
of course, he’s a game changer.
nevertheless, he’s a ss and leadoff guy.
if we can get on base as much as he did (which castillo can), play good defensive SS as reyes did (Valdez/Cora can), and steal bases like Reyes did (well, no one did, but the rest of the team is still fast and can steal bases), then we’ll be okay until/if he reyes returns
gland
6/4/2009-9:18pm at 9:18 pm (UTC -4)
Totally agree. But I think knowing that he’s not going to be back for awhile then Omar needs to upgrade in another spot. This team needs another bat.
gland
6/4/2009-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
Except that Reyes really hasn’t been good this year. They can get by with Cora but they need another bat.
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:10pm at 9:10 pm (UTC -4)
Pls. stop gland.
He is the most important player on this team has been
for4 yrs now.
gland
6/4/2009-9:12pm at 9:12 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t tell me to stop. I understand you’re upset, and I am too. But are you saying he’s been good this year?
gland
6/4/2009-9:14pm at 9:14 pm (UTC -4)
And I don’t buy that the hamstring tear – which he just suffered – was a result of the WBC which took place months ago.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:19pm at 9:19 pm (UTC -4)
agreed..
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:17pm at 9:17 pm (UTC -4)
Gotta go with Fong here…Jose, overall, is probably our most important non-pitcher.
Our offense has been sporadic and mediocre without him.
Yes, he had a bad start, but that is pretty irrelevant here….and maybe his leg has not been 100% all year.
The guy puts up unreal numbers, even if he has not yet had that .350/.420 season and maybe never will.
200 hits, 110 runs, 35 2B, 15 3B, 60 SB, and loads of RBI for a leadoff guy.
We have the pitching to stay competitive, but we are in serious, serious trouble now.
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:20pm at 9:20 pm (UTC -4)
OK so he had a bad start and
no players ever gone thru a bad stretch.
This guy is one
of the elite players in baseball and THE best leadoff man
and you think
Coras gonna be
an acceptable replacement?
gland
6/4/2009-9:22pm at 9:22 pm (UTC -4)
If they trade for another major bat yes I do.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-9:38pm at 9:38 pm (UTC -4)
i beg to differ. Reyes is one of a kind.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:43pm at 9:43 pm (UTC -4)
Wow, I am kind of surprised at your under-valuing Reyes Gland….
gland
6/4/2009-9:58pm at 9:58 pm (UTC -4)
Well I don’t think I “under value” him. I think I value him just right.
Brock Reyes is actually my favorite Met (besides Santana). I think he has the potential to be one of the top players in baseball. I just think that this team can still succeed if Beltran and Wright can produce and IF they can add another big bat in the lineup to take some of the pressure off of Sheffield. I think, that IF they can get this kind of impact bat, then Cora can fill in sufficiently for the next month or so.
The key is Omar finding a bat. Emil Brown isn’t going to cut it.
I find it interesting that in the last couple of weeks nobody has been saying a word about the team missing Reyes.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
Fair enough…I think maybe a lot of people have not said much about him because maybe a lot of us were thinking he would be back by the end of this week at the latest.
But Jose has been one of my favorites for years too, since his minor league days.
I sure hope you are right about Cora though. He has looked awfully good as a bench player, and let’s hope he can do it every day for a while.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:09pm at 9:09 pm (UTC -4)
It really is 1987, but worse.
This is too much.
Fong, it is not the WBC buddy. Wright and KRod played a ton and are the healthiest Mets. In 2008 everyone was injured in the spring, and there was no WBC.
There simply HAS to be something seriously wrong with the Mets’ conditioning. Maybe it is the trainers/medical staff, and/or maybe the players, other than Wright, Johan, and KRod, simply do not keep themselves in good enough shape.
This team has WAY too many injuries to players young and old, and this year is worse, but we have had injury after injury after injury for a couple of years now.
All I can think is that we still have pitching and we must truly pray that FMart can play and stay healthy and that Johan, Pelf, Maine, Livan, KRod, and Parnell don’t miss one damn day.
stickguy
6/4/2009-9:11pm at 9:11 pm (UTC -4)
and the damndest thing is, Castillo has been one of the healthy guys!
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:11pm at 9:11 pm (UTC -4)
Didnt say it was just WBC,
but to deny it may not have
contributed to any of these
injs is just fool hardy.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:14pm at 9:14 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe, maybe not. I am certainly not saying it helped, but remember the spring of 2008? Just about everyone was hurt, missing time, and not ready for the season to start.
Same thing this year.
Fong, at this moment, I am more disguested with this team than I have been in the Omar era.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:16pm at 9:16 pm (UTC -4)
really??
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:17pm at 9:17 pm (UTC -4)
I’m w/Brock
on this.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:19pm at 9:19 pm (UTC -4)
i dont think they can help their injuries…so i wonder why the disgust. This is the most challenging i agree but why disgusted…they didnt WANT to get injured…
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-9:20pm at 9:20 pm (UTC -4)
You sure that’s not just the chili you’re feeling?
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:25pm at 9:25 pm (UTC -4)
Dirty, we cannot stay healthy. There is something wrong. Seriously. These are young, world-class athletes, and this team has been constantly injured for years now, except for Beltran and Reyes and Wright, and now Jose may be gone for months. It is not just Alou and Duque and Pedro.
Breaking your finger sliding is one thing, but injuries like Reyes’ and Delgado’s and Ollie’s and who knows, maybe Schneider’s and Redding’s and Church’s even—can they ALL just be normal injuries, or are these guys just not in tip-top shape?
And JJ–I mean, if he needs surgery now, he should have had it a while ago! This guy was great, and has been increasingly poor this year, and NOW they are saying he may need surgery? Did he need surgery in February, or did he not work hard enough in the offseason to get his arm healthy?
I was VERY optimistic this winter, and argued with the naysayers, and was against Manny and did not care that much about Lowe, but damn, Dunn and his HR and BB would be nice right now.
I am not jumping ship, but the only way this team was going to compete seriously this year was if everyone contributed, and there is just no way that this team’s conditioning is at the level it should be with the way everyone was hurt in spring 2008, and the way many of the same guys are injured again now.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:33pm at 9:33 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed about Dunn
but look how far we came in 2008…we missed a Wild Card chance by like 1 game. This is simliar as i said to the yankees a few years ago and they were out 14 by the ASB. They came back to get to the playoffs. This is very frustrating i agree but disgusted i dont know if i can agree with you on that assessment.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:36pm at 9:36 pm (UTC -4)
OK, perhaps that was the wrong word.
But do you think none of these injuries could be the result of a lack of conditioning and/or negligence by the medical/training staff?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:38pm at 9:38 pm (UTC -4)
it absolutely could. I hope Omar looks into that like the yankees did that year.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:41pm at 9:41 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed 100% on that one….
AFTER he finds a number two starter and a slugging first baseman!!
stickguy
6/4/2009-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
why discusted? To me, that implies some kind of intent, or bad attitude.
Frustrated maybe, or bummed out, but not discusted.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:37pm at 9:37 pm (UTC -4)
That may have been the wrong word.
smooth
6/4/2009-9:31pm at 9:31 pm (UTC -4)
this is off topic but Josh Johnson hit a 3run homerun to center vs the brewers tonight
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:34pm at 9:34 pm (UTC -4)
lol..is there anything he cant do…lol
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-9:39pm at 9:39 pm (UTC -4)
Good, cuz I’m thinking more about the wild card with this Reyes news, and I’m thinking that the Brewers are more of a threat in that race than the Marlins are.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:40pm at 9:40 pm (UTC -4)
lol this sounds awfully familiar lol
smooth
6/4/2009-9:45pm at 9:45 pm (UTC -4)
Wouldnt it figure that we make the playoffs this season with all the injuries. It honestly would not suprise me to see that happen.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:47pm at 9:47 pm (UTC -4)
I like the optimism, but the Central has several competitive teams, and if the Braves get any more pitching, there is going to be an awful lot of competition for the 3 playoff spots to join the Dodgers.
Omar must help us.
trs86
6/4/2009-9:41pm at 9:41 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Anyone want to change their vote on my previous post.
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-9:46pm at 9:46 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I think mine’s got a hanging chad.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
Haha! I meant to vote for Buchanan!!
trs86
6/4/2009-9:40pm at 9:40 pm (UTC -4)
Damn, leave the site for 5 minutes and you guys go and break Reyes.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:41pm at 9:41 pm (UTC -4)
sorry lol…we were playing rough lol
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-9:43pm at 9:43 pm (UTC -4)
Pffft! We barely touched him, boy’s made o’ glass.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:41pm at 9:41 pm (UTC -4)
HELP!!!
trs86
6/4/2009-9:43pm at 9:43 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, DeRossa looks much more important now. I am willing to bet that by this weekend Wilson Benemit is on the team.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:45pm at 9:45 pm (UTC -4)
That is a pretty good bet.
And if Redding gets shelled tomorrow, damn, Omar is going to call Pedro! He will fit in on the DL with the rest of the guys just fine after a few starts…..
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:47pm at 9:47 pm (UTC -4)
lol i was joking with mr. bill(i think it was) that the DL team is pretty much better than the team we play on the field lol
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:48pm at 9:48 pm (UTC -4)
HAHA!!
OK, now that is a good one.
Our DL pitching staff isn’t too good, and may we pray that it remains that way!!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:50pm at 9:50 pm (UTC -4)
agreed lol ;p
smooth
6/4/2009-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
How exactly is Betemit going to help? I dont think he can play SS and if he can its not a very good SS. He can play 3b and 1b , hes a switch hitter but hes better from the left side. I dont see him helping but i would take him over emil brown
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
At this point why not just give Hernandez, Darling, and Hojo contracts. What the hell, Strawberry and Mookie too for that matter. It can’t hurt. If they get hurt, they will fit right in with the team.
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:54pm at 9:54 pm (UTC -4)
2009, The lost season!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-9:55pm at 9:55 pm (UTC -4)
not yet…..
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-9:57pm at 9:57 pm (UTC -4)
Not quite yet, but I am closer to thinking that than I could have imagined a few weeks ago.
We will know in 4–5 weeks if there is any hope for this year.
We still have damn good pitching, and if we survive the next 5 weeks and are not buried, the Wilpons must step up and be willing to take on salary.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:03pm at 10:03 pm (UTC -4)
Doubt thats gonna happen and if they do
whats available and whats it gonna cost
and does anyone think
Omars not gonna get
held up with everyone
knowing hes desperate?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:05pm at 10:05 pm (UTC -4)
it all boils down to how the team plays. Omar is defiantly not in the drivers seat here…just hope he doesnt do anything stupid.
gategem
6/4/2009-11:11pm at 11:11 pm (UTC -4)
The only ace in the hole, if it indeed it is one, is the Mets ability to take on salary. The economy could work in the Mets favor here.
We also have to realize that from a business viewpoint the Wilpons have to keep a viable product on the field. That could impact what otherwise would be a strictly baseball decision.
Joe R
6/4/2009-9:55pm at 9:55 pm (UTC -4)
Wow!! Im not ready to throw the towel in yet…but now without reyes for an extended amount of time my uncertainity if Omar had to make a big move for a bat within the next week instead of waiting til july for the deals to sweeten up has changed. We simply cant fall too far behind and expect to just turn it on when and if we get healthy. We arent playing against an imaginary team that will just hang around til we get right. This is bad and we cant expect a 40 yr old Sheff and a rookie in Murphy to carry the load for even this month imo Not buying the new injury either im no doc but like i said earlier the swelling around reyes’s injury prob masked any structural damage. Im actually laughing loudly right now to myself that even YESTERDAY when manuel was told reyes was going to NY for test he still expected him in the lineup for tuesday!!
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-9:57pm at 9:57 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll bet you Omar gets a pass this season if we don’t make the playoff because of all the injuries.
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:01pm at 10:01 pm (UTC -4)
I hate to give Omar a pass but if this continues I will give him a pass. I probably still wont because not signing Dunn and lets forget the fact we have been looking for a power bat in the corner positions for some time, how about having Dunn in case our old 1B went down!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:02pm at 10:02 pm (UTC -4)
i think he is definatly on the hot seat. I dont see him getting the axe but im sure nobody wants to be omar if they dont make it. Alot of contracts go off the books…perfect situation for a new gm to step in and make their mark.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:05pm at 10:05 pm (UTC -4)
Hate to disagree Dirty
BUT Omar is not and wont be on any hot seat
for atleast another yr or two.The Wilpons love
him,hes got a fat contract they’re not
gonna eat And he’ll shuck and jive his way through this pointing to the injuries.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
yea but as much as they like him..results are results. This is his team..
The Mets
AAA
AA
A
Its all Omars and it is obviously fragile. I agree i dont see him getting an axe but he will be on the hot seat…
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think so. The Wilpons are so naive, Omar could tell them he sucks as a GM because his plumbing don’t work, and they’ll believe him. Even extend him another five years.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed! Plus
they got they’re new stadium and
are still dealing with
the effects of
Madoff.
Lets face it,
we’re friggin jinxed!
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:19pm at 10:19 pm (UTC -4)
The Wilpons aren’t naive, come on….
Joe R
6/4/2009-9:58pm at 9:58 pm (UTC -4)
Cora making it back is huge
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:00pm at 10:00 pm (UTC -4)
Now THAT is a line no Met
fan EVER thought they’d here
from ANYONE!
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:01pm at 10:01 pm (UTC -4)
haha very true!
stickguy
6/4/2009-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
Somewhere, Alex’s head just exploded.
fongy2
6/4/2009-9:58pm at 9:58 pm (UTC -4)
THIS is why when theres a real chance
to Win,you do whatever you can to
make that happen. Omar hasn’t and
because of it we continue to wait
and wait.Frankly,for us long time
fans its very,very frustrating.
Ansd sorry fellas if I was a little harsh to some of you earlier.
I was busy allday and hadn’t heard
this news until about an hr ago.
It was like a punch to the gut.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-10:00pm at 10:00 pm (UTC -4)
don’t sweat it Fongy
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:04pm at 10:04 pm (UTC -4)
well..wasnt omars fault that the pitcher threw that perfect pitch to beltran in 06…This is tough but teams have had more devastating predicaments than this and have done it..why not us?
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:12pm at 10:12 pm (UTC -4)
Trouble now as it has been is that,this isn’t
a very gutty team to start out with.
Now w/o our leadoff
and cleanup hitters likely for the season
is this team gonna score at all?
Plus 15million is being
wasted on what was to be our #3 Startes
AND our 8th inning guy
whos paid like a closer
may also be done for the yr.. Incredible
that even when Omar makes what appears to
be a great trade we end
up on the bad end of it.
Wouldn’t Chavez and Carp be helpful right
about now?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
not really…
What doesnt help is our manager’s decisions…
I just dont feel this is it for this team
I still have faith we will still get this done
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
Chavez is Reed with more speed and a slightly better glove. He makes ZERO difference. Another 4th or 5th outfielder is not the problem.
And Carp is indeed looking good, for 1/3 of a season in AAA.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:25pm at 10:25 pm (UTC -4)
Dont misunderstand me Brock.
I’m not saying it wasn’ta
good deal its
just crazy how almost everything always backfires on us.
Isn’t it?
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
What i meant was right now it would be nice to have Endy to leadoff and Carp to play 1B
until Omar could do something.
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:03pm at 10:03 pm (UTC -4)
Kevin Burkhardt telling it like it is!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:04pm at 10:04 pm (UTC -4)
what did he say?
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:10pm at 10:10 pm (UTC -4)
Basically he doesnt believe the team. Its the same injury. Its the tendon in the hamstring which is located behind the knee. Also Castillo needs time off with his knees and part of him being successful this year is because of rest.
tkfj
6/4/2009-10:03pm at 10:03 pm (UTC -4)
Were screwed because this injury will not be 4-6 weeks, and even if we are lucky and it is, imagine surviving without one of the most integral parts of this team until July 4- mid July. The core is 2 men down, hard to push by unless Omar grows a set and trades for someone.
trs86
6/4/2009-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
Delgado was never in the core.
gategem
6/5/2009-12:17am at 12:17 am (UTC -4)
Delgado’s performance in the second half last year was a major factor for the team making a run. Delgado was not part of the core that you build a team around but for this year he was an essential part of the offense. His offensive performance and the impact it has on the surrounding lineup is not easily replaced. People do not give him enough credit.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-10:05pm at 10:05 pm (UTC -4)
Raul Ibanez or Dunn would have been a big asset to the team right now.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:07pm at 10:07 pm (UTC -4)
agreed but you cannot say that omar didnt try to get ibanez…
dunn is a complete mystery but the mets were not the only team who layed off
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-10:11pm at 10:11 pm (UTC -4)
did he try to get ibanez? I can’t recall
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:15pm at 10:15 pm (UTC -4)
Never made a formal offer.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-10:16pm at 10:16 pm (UTC -4)
ok..that’s what i thought. I don’t remember us making an offer to him.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:15pm at 10:15 pm (UTC -4)
yea…rumors stemmed from back when alou went down last year.. He wanted ibanez bad
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-10:18pm at 10:18 pm (UTC -4)
then why didn’t he grab him in the offseason?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:20pm at 10:20 pm (UTC -4)
he wanted to play for the phillies more apparently. Signed up with them i guess before Omar could put together a formal offer. Same with Lowe…he wanted to play for the braves more than the mets. Unfortunately, Omar was asleep in jedi school when the taught how to use the power of the force for persuasion..
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:22pm at 10:22 pm (UTC -4)
I think Omar spent most of his time in Jedi school perfecting his Yoda impression….
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:24pm at 10:24 pm (UTC -4)
LMAO!
smooth
6/4/2009-10:23pm at 10:23 pm (UTC -4)
the wilpons were being cheap this offseason and omar had a budget to work with. he wasnt going to dump $30million on Ibanez, hindsight is 20/20 at the time it was thought that the phillies had overpaid for a 36yrold outfielder
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:24pm at 10:24 pm (UTC -4)
agreed….very likely..
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:48pm at 10:48 pm (UTC -4)
It was most definitely not thought by me that they overpaid for Ibanez….go back a few months in Metsblog posts and you will me attacked regularly by Gina and Nostradamus and many others for my annoying insistence on how good Ibanez really was!
And the frigin Phils had to get him….
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:07pm at 10:07 pm (UTC -4)
I think at this point I’m just sad. Not mad just so disappointed. I hope this isnt 2005…its the same leg with reyes again I believe. Surgery? Gone for the year…
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-10:10pm at 10:10 pm (UTC -4)
I’m not buying 4-6 weeks. I’m thinking 2-3 months, more likely the season.
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:15pm at 10:15 pm (UTC -4)
yes if he needs surgery then out for year but if we are told 6 weeks and after the 6 weeks Reyes just doesnt feel right and he gets surgery I will no longer route for the Mets!
mrose
6/4/2009-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
surgery isn’t possible…at least thats what i read
smooth
6/4/2009-10:10pm at 10:10 pm (UTC -4)
When you think about all that has transpired today , i think its safe to say the mets have hit bottom emotionally. Swept by the pirates, Putz to have surgery, Beltran rips team effort, Reyes out till the break. Honestly this is all too much for one day, omar needs to bring some good news to the fans this weekend and get some help in here asap.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:11pm at 10:11 pm (UTC -4)
i dont know if theres any good news…it will all have to come in wins and that will be hard to come by with the current squad unless people step it up BIG TIME
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:13pm at 10:13 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed!! I was on the fence with waiting til early July for deals to sweeten up but unless Omar is willing to risk us digging a deep hole this month with this schedule and the emotion of the team, he needs to pull the trigger!!
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:14pm at 10:14 pm (UTC -4)
He’d get hijacked!
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:16pm at 10:16 pm (UTC -4)
lol
tkfj
6/4/2009-10:10pm at 10:10 pm (UTC -4)
Tell me what other franchise has to deal with this sht. None, ever. The sun never shines on the Mets.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:13pm at 10:13 pm (UTC -4)
does always seem like it.
I say Gods still making us
pay for Buckner.
tkfj
6/4/2009-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
Honestly fongy, resiliency will only get you so far. I want so much to believe in this team and their abilities, but there are two gaping holes where superstars once were. Two “CORE” players gone for a lengthy period of time. Soon resiliency loses its effect and sheer talent compensates for that. Right now the Mets are voided of some of their talent and the only way to fix it is to replace it. Don’t replace the talent and you don’t win games its that simple. Omar please for all that is good in this world, which is hard to see as a Mets fan, make a move. You really don’t have a choice, more indecision and this is a lost season.
Pretty pathetic outlook, after 3 games ago everything looked on track. Cruel cruel baseball.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:14pm at 10:14 pm (UTC -4)
nope..no other. Yet we went 19-9 in may. Just remember the yanks were 14 games out with a similar story to these mets and they made a run. I dont think we will get to 14 games out but if they could do what they did, why not the mets. This is a blow but not the end of it…way too much time
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:19pm at 10:19 pm (UTC -4)
the fact u said “I dont think we will get to 14 games”
says it all!! lol
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
lol i dont think we will get that behind i mean…I think we will compete but we need people to step up
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:23pm at 10:23 pm (UTC -4)
I know was joking just the fact we are having these conversations are shocking. Is Citi Field a jinx?
Omar u can fix all of this with one move!! Paint the outfield walls blue!!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:25pm at 10:25 pm (UTC -4)
ahahhahaha
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
But that Yankee team
was a team of champions
with the best talent in
the game chasing a team
they held voodoo over.
Bad analogy!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:23pm at 10:23 pm (UTC -4)
fong..tell me a team that has been back 14 games out of first place to come back and make the playoffs…
Its the simple point that people have been worse than us and managed to make it..why are people writing off the season…anything can happen in baseball…i dont know why people dont get that yet.
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:25pm at 10:25 pm (UTC -4)
Im not writing it off but the fact we didnt make it 3 years in a row when mostly healthy doesnt bode well
trs86
6/4/2009-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
Joe you don’t have a good memory. We have not been healthy in 2007 or 2008 and we made it in 2006
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:30pm at 10:30 pm (UTC -4)
mostly healthy. meaning core for the most part nothing like this
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
well 2.1..this year isnt over yet ;p
if by make it you mean playoffs
trs86
6/4/2009-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
Not writing of the season but incredibly concerned I am.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
Dirty, you are talking about the 1978 Yanks, right?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:27pm at 10:27 pm (UTC -4)
na like 2 or 3 years ago…2007 i believe…
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
Oops, sorry bud, I am a little older than you…the 78 Yanks were 14 out then won that one-game playoff when Dent hit the homer in Fenway and won the Series…..
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
wayyyyyyy before my time lol…i wasnt even a twinkle in my parents eye yet lolll
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:40pm at 10:40 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I was only 11 that summer!!
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:28pm at 10:28 pm (UTC -4)
This team aint the ’78
yanks and we
aint chasin’ the ’78 Sox.
Just sayin’
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:24pm at 10:24 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, that 14 game deficit team was a defending champ absolutely loaded with—dare I say it—gritty damn players weraing that rancid Yankee uniform.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:31pm at 10:31 pm (UTC -4)
You know how much I hate the yankees BUT
respect must bre given where due.
Like I always say about these recent
phillie team.
Gamers,grinders
traits we’re not filled with.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:40pm at 10:40 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I was a serious Royal fan in those 76-77-78 playoffs, and a serious Dodger fan in the 77 and 78 WS, but I have to admit, those Yankee teams had grit coming out of their damn ears….Reggie, Nettles, Guidry, Lyle, Gossage, Munson? That is a damn logjam of grit!!
tkfj
6/4/2009-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
Well Dodgers have to be the stoppers of the Phillies streak, help us out Torre and co.
smooth
6/4/2009-10:25pm at 10:25 pm (UTC -4)
a dodgers sweep of the phils and a nats sweep by the mets would help make next weeks losses easier to take on.
trs86
6/4/2009-10:25pm at 10:25 pm (UTC -4)
I am really not concerned about the Phillies right now. More concerned on how we can manage to win any games consistantly. What about Jack Wilson? Cabrerra? Tejada? All salary dump kind of guys. Of course you have DeRossa too. Look Cora is a good backup player IF you other players are healthy. We have to either go after a fulltime 1B or SS. Yes these guys may be back and create a log jam but lets deal with that if it matters.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
idk…id rather them come up with a good plan of attack and not be short sighted. I think omar has enough for one good move..i just hope he does the right thing
trs86
6/4/2009-10:32pm at 10:32 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed but we are past the point of being concerned about using chips for a pitcher. That is not going to happen. However, you have to assume right now that Reyes and Delgado are not going to be back in time. What you get from them are bonus. I don’t think Murphy will be our 1B next year so if you want to bring in a decent 1B that is undercontract that would be great. LF is open as Sheff platoon or go into RF. Huff maybe?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:35pm at 10:35 pm (UTC -4)
huff honestly would be ideal right now….Guy has pop and can slot in the 4 hole…
The sensible thing would be for murph to be the 1bmen for next year but unfortunately we dont run the mets lol…or fortunatly depending on how you look at it lol
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
I think you need to re think not being worried about the phils. Really dont understand that. They are our competition in the division and they added the best 2 off season moves in baseball. Ibanez and Ibanez. Now they are determined to get an ace on top of hitters up and down the lineup. I am very worried
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:31pm at 10:31 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I wanted him more than people wanted Manny and Lowe…one of the most consistent, in-shape, good clubhouse guys around, and one of the most underrated offensive players in the game.
And Dunn would have been great too. Two guys who never do anything but play every day and produce.
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:35pm at 10:35 pm (UTC -4)
agreed. ibanez would have changed our chemistry a bit i would say.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:38pm at 10:38 pm (UTC -4)
It is almost too depressing to think of how perfect he would have been, but in Omar’s defense, it seems as though, despite being from NY, Raul did want to play with Philly. He signed with them awfully quick, and Omar was indeed busy getting KRod and JJ.
But Dunn, that kills me. Seems like he would have been ours had we wanted him.
stickguy
6/4/2009-10:44pm at 10:44 pm (UTC -4)
I surmise that Raul’s agent knew that noone else was going near 3/30 on him, and was afraid to shop the offer too much in case it blew up in his face.
And based on how the market shook out, he was probably right!
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:51pm at 10:51 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, painful as it is, you are almost certainly 100% right on that. Otherwise he could have wound up like Dunn, Abreu, and Hudson did contract-wise.
Damn, I hate having to give the Phils credit!
trs86
6/4/2009-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
But Joe what does it matter if we have no way of winning consistantly to start with? If we win consistantly we will make the playoffs some way. If not we won’t, regardless of who is in the division.
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:39pm at 10:39 pm (UTC -4)
I guess u can say u never have to worry about anyone except your own clubhouse.
tkfj
6/4/2009-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
I hear you on a full time SS, but I don’t know how Jack Wilson or Cabrera are that much of an upgrade on even an injured Cora. Moreso Wilson. I would entertain the idea of Cabrera but what would the price be? Probably not steep but you know it is Billy Beane.
trs86
6/4/2009-10:36pm at 10:36 pm (UTC -4)
Wilson is a better SS than Cora and we need Cora as the fulltime IF backup unless we want to lose Castillo too.
stickguy
6/4/2009-10:42pm at 10:42 pm (UTC -4)
I know it’s petty, but losing Csatillo would still be a bright side IMO!
smooth
6/4/2009-10:27pm at 10:27 pm (UTC -4)
According to MLB trade rumors the cards are also looking for a big bat, they are linked to derosa and holliday. Omar get to work!!!
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:31pm at 10:31 pm (UTC -4)
Omar has nothing to offer.
smooth
6/4/2009-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
i remember ppl saying the same thing before we traded for johan santana
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:36pm at 10:36 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed! Oswalt is probably the best target. With Johan and Roy Harvey, we can win a lot of low-scoring games. And Johan and Roy were minor league teammates and are still rivals and friends. That would be my first target. Overwhelm the Astros with volume…give them anyone they want in the minors…Church, Murph, and a bunch of minor leaguers….
trs86
6/4/2009-10:37pm at 10:37 pm (UTC -4)
True but if we had nothing then, then think what we have now.
tkfj
6/4/2009-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
Not necessarily, I’ll give Omar credit because sometimes he’ll get lucky and fleece someone. Lets hope he can do it again.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
Not Holliday. No way. He is a rental, and almost certainly not worth the ridiculous contract he will want, and playing half his games in Citi Field?
I would still go for Halladay or Oswalt if there is any chance at all.
Or Lee if the Astros want to pay some of his salary.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:37pm at 10:37 pm (UTC -4)
THey wont Brock.
But the Wilpons better
consider taking on a
Lee/Tejada package
if they become available.If we agree
to take those salaries
off their hands maybe it doesnt
cost much,player wise.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:44pm at 10:44 pm (UTC -4)
Fong, I think this is a very wise and possible outcome….the Astros are going nowhere in that division.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:50pm at 10:50 pm (UTC -4)
What do you think of a Wilson/
LaRouche combo?
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:55pm at 10:55 pm (UTC -4)
I think they both would help, and if those pathetic cheapskates are giving away everything again, I hope Omar is checking it out.
I hope he at least made an offer to McLouth.
Is it too late to trade for Jason Bay??
trs86
6/4/2009-10:37pm at 10:37 pm (UTC -4)
Getting another starter with Reyes and Delgado out is not going to happen King.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:43pm at 10:43 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I know…I have to delete from my mind the idea of Johan-Either Roy…the dream 1–2 punch, and alas, it shall almost certainly remain a dream.
Without more injuries, and with Wright and Beltran staying healthy, we have the pitching…..we can stay in it if we make some improvements.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/4/2009-10:42pm at 10:42 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve wanted Carlos Lee since he was a free agent three years ago. Go get him Omar. Power Bat,.300 hitter, but more importantly he can play both the OF and 1st base.
jaydh
6/4/2009-10:39pm at 10:39 pm (UTC -4)
Its time to look towards next season and become sellers…..although i’m not sure there is much value outside of our core.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:39pm at 10:39 pm (UTC -4)
in may…
jaydh
6/4/2009-10:41pm at 10:41 pm (UTC -4)
with delgado, putz and reyes probably done, sheff hurting…yes. You can’t patch this team up, they will fall short and have even less prospects.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:45pm at 10:45 pm (UTC -4)
wow im sorry to hear you throw in the towel with over 100 games to play that nobody knows what will happen.
jaydh
6/4/2009-10:47pm at 10:47 pm (UTC -4)
Its ok for you to believe, but I am going to be realistic. I will root this team, but I’m not going to kid myself into believing it will go anywhere.
trs86
6/4/2009-10:54pm at 10:54 pm (UTC -4)
Shhh Dirty, It’s June. LOL.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:04pm at 11:04 pm (UTC -4)
lol…its been a long day loll
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:55pm at 10:55 pm (UTC -4)
Dirty buddy, gotta flip over to that “June” page on the old calendar….
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:40pm at 10:40 pm (UTC -4)
slow down!
Mr North Jersey
6/4/2009-10:42pm at 10:42 pm (UTC -4)
Sellers 4 days into June. Yeah that’s exactly what Mets should do.
jaydh
6/4/2009-10:43pm at 10:43 pm (UTC -4)
they dont have a team that can compete, end of story.
Mr North Jersey
6/4/2009-10:53pm at 10:53 pm (UTC -4)
I understand you may feel that way right now but lets look at it realistically.
1. Other than Putz and Ollie Pitching Staff is intact with Ollie and Wagner as a possibility to add a boost to the staff.
2.Yes no Reyes Church or Delgado and that hurts but Let’s see what we do have,
Wright
Beltran
Murphy
Castillo
Schneider
all of whom were going to be part of the everyday lineup and Fmart if allowed to play may be just as good as what we would get from Church.
So that leaves Reyes and Delgado. Can we win without them? It will be hard but if we can get one bat just one bat to hold us over I don’t see why we must call the season over on June 4 2009.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-10:57pm at 10:57 pm (UTC -4)
Mr North, thanks for taking on the role of very cool optimist. Sorry I have abdicated today, but Pelf getting bombed, JJ needing surgery, Jose’s hamstring, and a sweep in Pittsburgh is too much for even me!
Mr North Jersey
6/4/2009-11:06pm at 11:06 pm (UTC -4)
I am actually surprised myself that I am seeing things half full but we have one thing many teams don’t Very good pitching so I am pinning my hopes on that.
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-11:11pm at 11:11 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, me too….Johan, Pelf, Maine, Livan, KRod, and Parnell are the new core…
jaydh
6/4/2009-11:02pm at 11:02 pm (UTC -4)
Lets get real, Schneider is nothing to boast about and neither is Murphy(who wouldnt be an everyday starter if everyone was healthy; he’d be in AAA) right now. And Castillo is coming back down to reality, hitting worse and worse each month. So really you have Beltran and Wright to carry the load. Its not enough. Those dates for Reyes and Delgado’s returns are very optimistic and very unlikely. Like I said, I am going to root for this team since I’m a diehard for 20+ years, but I don’t believe this team has a shot to make the playoffs. And I dont want Omar trading any worthwhile prospects to try and patch this up only to fall short.
Mr North Jersey
6/4/2009-11:14pm at 11:14 pm (UTC -4)
I agree about Schneider and Castillo not being all that what I am merely trying to suggest is that the lineup the Mets were going to go into battle with is intact minus Reyes, Church, and Delgado and Fmart may be just as good as Church. We need to fill the void as best as possible that a Reyes and Delgado have left. If Minaya can do that we just may be able to still do something here plus we have a very good pitching staff.
So are you waving the white flag?
jaydh
6/4/2009-11:27pm at 11:27 pm (UTC -4)
I felt this team was lacking in the first place in order to make the playoffs. I felt we needed a boost to the pitching, but now that will have to be ignored. And to get a sufficient bat, you are going to have to give up good prospects. I dont think delgado will be back this season and if he does, he won’t be the same; same with reyes as far as being back. It goes deeper than those 2 injuries though. Pagan was key, and a healthy Putz was key. I stand by this team not having enough to compete.
Mr North Jersey
6/4/2009-11:32pm at 11:32 pm (UTC -4)
Soooo…… that’s a yes to the white flag then. It’s OK to each his own right?
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:40pm at 10:40 pm (UTC -4)
Omar should have left Pittsburgh
with Wilson and LaRouche!
Since apparently the Pirates are
just giving away anyone making
any significant money and have given
up on their season desipte being only
six back.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:42pm at 10:42 pm (UTC -4)
well the pirates are sellers(shocker) again but i dont know if wilson and laroche would be enough to make a dent imo
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:45pm at 10:45 pm (UTC -4)
Well on the cheap,
they’d keep us afloat.
Plus atleast we’d have anactual MLBer @ 1B&SS
which we haven’t the past couple weeks.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:48pm at 10:48 pm (UTC -4)
agreed but what happens if/when gado and reyes come back. Thats the kind of short sightedness i dont want omar to make. While it is tough to imagine now, they could be back and now you have a bad situation where you gave up all those prospects up for nothing as you will have to bench your reward..
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:52pm at 10:52 pm (UTC -4)
Both are in their walk season
and
b/c of the nature of these
injuries
we can’t be sure they’ll be back at all.
And if so,in what condition and for
how long.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:54pm at 10:54 pm (UTC -4)
What type of prospects would you have to give up for these guys
really?
trs86
6/4/2009-10:57pm at 10:57 pm (UTC -4)
Dirty, you keep dealing with the what if’s. If you want to deal with those then you bring in no one. However, I would take either of those guys and worry about them both being healthy and productive as a good problem.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:05pm at 11:05 pm (UTC -4)
id rather deal with the what if’s now than later. The last thing we need is for the mets to not do enough or do too much and have it backfire later. It must be calculated and thought out..i just dont think those guys carry enough punch to really change the situation we have right now…
stickguy
6/4/2009-10:47pm at 10:47 pm (UTC -4)
slight improvements, just a bit better than band aids.
But enough to take them from out to in the playoffs? Not likely!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:48pm at 10:48 pm (UTC -4)
agreed…
trs86
6/4/2009-11:00pm at 11:00 pm (UTC -4)
I disagree, those small band aids can go a long way towards the playoffs especially considering the wild card. You can’t tell me having LaRoche at 1B instead of Murphy will not win you a couple extra games.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:03pm at 11:03 pm (UTC -4)
if murphy plays everyday(and it already invalidates the rest of my comment), he will put up comparable numbers to laroche..i dont think he gives MUCH more than what danny can give you imo
fongy2
6/4/2009-11:07pm at 11:07 pm (UTC -4)
Wow,
comparing Murph to Larouch is a stretch.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:14pm at 11:14 pm (UTC -4)
well laroche is a career .270 hitter and hits usually 20-25hrs…i think murph can do that but its moot as he wont play every day and wont come close…
stickguy
6/4/2009-10:41pm at 10:41 pm (UTC -4)
Like TRS said, the FO (OK, Omar!) needs to come up with a real, long term (like 3 years) plan before they do anything. Otherwise, he will make some panic move, and set the franchise back for years (without coming close to guaranteeing a playoff spot this year).
I also think it is a myth that NY fans will riot in the streets if they don’t go all “win now” every year.
If injuries take the team out of the running, I, like many other fans, would certainly support getting rid of some expiring excess to re-stock with pieces to make the team better in 2010+.
Problem with selling though is, what does he sell? Only can be guys that are not going to be part of the future anyway.
So what does that leave? Sheff, Livan, Castillo (yeah, I wish on that one!), Delgado if he came back, Schneider?
You really think the fans would storm Omar’s office if he traded any of those guys for a potentially useful prospect?
I would be more upset if he trades Holt, F Mart, etc. for something like Derosa.
Sometimes,m being smart enough to stand pat and do “nothing” is the most important thing (and the hardest) for a GM to do. And as a fan, it is probably good he just signed a 4 year deal, so less pressure to pull a Kazmir.
jaydh
6/4/2009-10:43pm at 10:43 pm (UTC -4)
i agree… i dont want to see any patching. Got to ride this out and look towards next season.
fongy2
6/4/2009-10:43pm at 10:43 pm (UTC -4)
Win now? How about win ever?
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:44pm at 10:44 pm (UTC -4)
agreed. Like i said, i dont want him to make a move to make a move. I want it to be calculated and make sense. Huff is a good idea cause we can stick him in the OF and 1b. Carlos Lee would be ideal as he already plays OF and is a ledgit big bat. The mets need to aim higher than derosa imo…I also dont think holliday is the answer btw
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:52pm at 10:52 pm (UTC -4)
agreed. bats will be available. A derosa is no longer good enough. they need imo a 20 hr 100 rbi type of guy. its out there and I have faith Omar will make the right move.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-10:57pm at 10:57 pm (UTC -4)
im sure he wants to joe…whether he can is a different story im afraid…
smooth
6/4/2009-10:55pm at 10:55 pm (UTC -4)
Ok so you guys have convinced me on going after Lee instead of Holliday. Yea hes 32 but hes proven durable player and a consistent offensive player, he would fit in very nicely as the cleanup hitter. Lets go get em
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:02pm at 11:02 pm (UTC -4)
the reason that im on lee is that we do have wright and beltran. Those two alone will not pose a threat to a pitcher. Now have a big bat guy like carlos lee that has hit MONSTER shots…sandwiched between beltran and wright…thats a scary lineup man…especially since we now have the CHOICE of playing shef instead of now that we HAVE to play shef. He is expensive i agree but for a big bat that will not get in the way when gado comes back i think we need to get him or huff. Think about this….
reyes, ss
castillo, 2b
beltran, cf
lee, rf
wright, 3b
delgado, 1b
shef, lf
santos, c
and that is totally a possibility….no pressure on gado or shef hitting where they are so anything we get is a bonus as the top of that lineup is going to MASH
Joe R
6/4/2009-10:45pm at 10:45 pm (UTC -4)
We need a bat.
trs86
6/4/2009-11:02pm at 11:02 pm (UTC -4)
Nothing wrong with getting a stop gap cash only type guy now and then the hitter as soon as one comes up.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:06pm at 11:06 pm (UTC -4)
i dont mind that…your boy mark grundesomething is still available…
stickguy
6/4/2009-11:08pm at 11:08 pm (UTC -4)
yes, now is th etime to whip out the wallet with the $$ Omar saved in the off season.
stickguy
6/4/2009-11:07pm at 11:07 pm (UTC -4)
a poster on MLBTR put on side of the arguement nicely:
“there’s no way way we can replace Reyes in an effective way. The Mets can’t afford to trade for stop-gaps. They’re better off muddling through, hoping to stay competitive with a Murphy/Castillo/Cora/Wright infield, and if they can’t, oh well. ”
But, this is where the supposed payroll flexibility comes in. if they can get some s/.t upgrades by eating cash (and not trading top prospects), then go for it (It ain’t my money!)
So, if you can get Jack Wilson and the 1B Laroche + their salaries for a package w/o Holt, Parnell, F Mart etc., and yo uthink it will realistically keep the team in the hunt, go for it.
I do think they should prepare to have Delgado and especially Reyes out for the entire year. Anything less, a bonus.
But Laroche and Wilson would make fine backups too.
fongy2
6/4/2009-11:14pm at 11:14 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:10pm at 11:10 pm (UTC -4)
what worries me the most is games will weigh more i think on managerial in game decisions now more than ever…that scares me
Kingman 26
6/4/2009-11:12pm at 11:12 pm (UTC -4)
Ouch! Damn, like I needed another thing to worry about!!
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:19pm at 11:19 pm (UTC -4)
lmao sorry to pile on but we are going to have to play nearly perfect every game. Looks like jerry is going to have to dust off the ole stat and scouting book because his gut moves are not going to cut it….
fongy2
6/4/2009-11:21pm at 11:21 pm (UTC -4)
Prob is Dirty this team already has the habit of playing sloppy,
uninspired baseball.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:25pm at 11:25 pm (UTC -4)
i agree with you on that…there doesnt seem to be any order on this team. Even though errors have been down the last few games but they need to start getting their act together..
stickguy
6/4/2009-11:26pm at 11:26 pm (UTC -4)
a regular line up and set positions will help with that also.
fongy2
6/4/2009-11:28pm at 11:28 pm (UTC -4)
b/t/w watching the phillie gm since the Magic are gettin’killed AND Utleys become a pretty decent 2B.
McCarthy mention the phils have only commited 17 errors this season.
fongy2
6/4/2009-11:13pm at 11:13 pm (UTC -4)
Jeez,good point.Didn’t think
of that.Wow!,we really are in
trouble!
fongy2
6/4/2009-11:26pm at 11:26 pm (UTC -4)
b/t/w fellas, it might now be taboo
but i just checked mattsblog and he
has 46 comments posted on the topic
of Jose’s injury. Sad!
Ofcourse,there could be 100 in moderation,being proof read by his
unpaid brownshirts which might appear
around the 4th of July.
dirtysanchez
6/4/2009-11:30pm at 11:30 pm (UTC -4)
loll
GravediggerHebner
6/4/2009-11:30pm at 11:30 pm (UTC -4)
Dear God, 315 comments. What the hell happened? Oh yeah.
Mr North Jersey
6/4/2009-11:44pm at 11:44 pm (UTC -4)
You know 315 comments were made mostly dare I say it? By 15 or 20 people.
Joe R
6/4/2009-11:34pm at 11:34 pm (UTC -4)
of course la cant score now. game on mlb network
Joe R
6/4/2009-11:35pm at 11:35 pm (UTC -4)
ibanez up 2 on. 1-0 game. what will he do lol
Joe R
6/4/2009-11:36pm at 11:36 pm (UTC -4)
shot in the gap haha unreal
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