Yesterday I posted this after just losing to the Pirates, again. That was before we found out that we would be with out Reyes for ATLEAST 4-6 weeks and that Putz may need surgery. In this link there was a poll that ask about what the future plans of Omar and the Mets should be. Today this poll feels even more appropriate.
To read the story from yesterday: Uh… Now what do we do?
To take the poll:Â So time for a poll
If you took the poll yesterday, I have set it up where you may change your vote. We may need to do this daily!
157 comments
dirtysanchez
6/5/2009-8:41am at 8:41 am (UTC -4)
lol i should repost serenity now loll
man this is tough…
trs86
6/5/2009-8:45am at 8:45 am (UTC -4)
I think I am going to reset the poll and allow everyone to vote again. LOL.
dirtysanchez
6/5/2009-8:50am at 8:50 am (UTC -4)
lmao
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-8:48am at 8:48 am (UTC -4)
I hate to be doom and gloom, but I don’t think we can get this done. We rely on small ball, since we have no power, and our best small ball player is gone. There is too much to deal with all at once. This time we can’t blame Omar or Jerry though, this is just Mets’ luck.
trs86
6/5/2009-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
Agree with that part but that’s not to say that we can’t still get it done. We just have to have some consistent players to get it done. The Wilson Valdez’s are not going get it done.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
Well, we still have potentially excellent pitching.
And we may very well be able to blame the team for possibly having a horrible training/medical staff. Or at least some of the injured players for not being in top shape.
Seems to me that this is way too many injuries to veteran players in a short period of time.
trs86
6/5/2009-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
I am beginning to rethink my position on the SP Kingman. So we know these guys may or may not be back and we can’t get an impact bat so why not try and change the look of the team through pitching? Go out and get Bedard or Oswalt. Hell if nothing else I would pick up Padilla for the #5 spot.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:01am at 9:01 am (UTC -4)
Please no Oswalt. We’ll be overpaying for an overgrown munchkin that likes to throw at Uncle Cliffy. I’m still holding a grudge. If you want a SP (which I do), go out and get Marquis or even Meche (if he can be had).
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:09am at 9:09 am (UTC -4)
Not sure if you are serious here, but check out his career stats.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
I know his career stats. I think getting him two years ago would have been just in time. I think he is starting his initial descent into Mediocrity Airport starting this season.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:19am at 9:19 am (UTC -4)
I hear you, but I disagree….his numbers last year were really good….I think he has a lot left.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:25am at 9:25 am (UTC -4)
His ERA is decent. He has fewer Ks, than IP by 14. He is averaging less than 6IP/start. I’d rather get Pedro for only money.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
Wow, I think we better agree to disagree here. Last year Roy’s stats were really good, and he has had a bad start this year.
Pedro hasn’t been good since 2005.
And has Roy ever been hurt other than a bit in 2003?
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Roy is averaging less than 6 innings (right around 5.2IP) in his last 10 starts. That’s not a streak. 10 games is a little less than 33% of your starts. We don’t need another 5.2 inning pitcher.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:09am at 9:09 am (UTC -4)
Completely agree. The Astros are very possibly looking at a 6th place finish, and are going absolutely nowhere and apparently are losing money. Their owner was vocal before the season about the economic downturn. Bedard has been a headcase loaded with potential that has barely been realized. I would not trade much for him, although the M’s might let him go for a small price.
A 1–2 of Johan and Oswalt would be tremendous. And, as I have mentioned, Johan and Roy played together in the Astro minor league system and are apparently still friends and rivals. They would push each other to be even better. And Oswalt surely would love to play for a winner, and maybe even like to be in a big market and get some more publicity.
He is a year and a half older than Johan, and has been a consistent winner his entire career.
I personally would give the Astros just about anything short of Johan, KRod, Parnell, Pelf, Wright, Beltran, Reyes, or FMart. And if we HAD to send Maine, without any other of the top guys, I would do it. Johan, Roy, Pelf, Ollie, Livan. With KRod and Parnell. That’s pretty good.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
…or we can bring back Jason Vargas. See what he is doing this year? Jeez.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
I did see that, and it was pretty annoying.
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-8:50am at 8:50 am (UTC -4)
trs- I’m getting an error when I try to take the poll.
trs86
6/5/2009-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
Fixed
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
I think the default answer is, “we’re screwed”. Don’t worry about it.
trs86
6/5/2009-8:58am at 8:58 am (UTC -4)
Option #4 can be read that way.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
I think F-Mart needs to stay and Sheff needs to platoon with Church. An everyday lineup of:
Castillo, Cora, Beltran, Wright, Sheff/Church, Martinez, Murphy, Schneider/Santos
It’s really not that horrible. We need two things. Starting pitching, and Ryan Church/Sheff platoon to work out. With the injury bug the way it is, I think we are best served by giving FMart as many major league at bats as possible. I don’t think that would be throwing in the towel, either. If he falls on his face, send him down. He has not looked overmatched, other than against Kip Wells haha.
trs86
6/5/2009-8:55am at 8:55 am (UTC -4)
That’s not enough. Sorry, we need one more player in that mix. Tell me slotting in DeRossa for Cora does not make the lineup look much better. Besides you have to expect Castillo to only play 60% of the games.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-8:59am at 8:59 am (UTC -4)
Cora is far from the problem. I think Cora has been a god send. He is a smart, solid player. If anybody needs to be replaced, it’s Murphy. Not only is he not helping us with his bat…his glove is a disaster at 1B. He got thrown out on the bases three times in one trip yesterday, but the umps blew the call. He needs to get sent down. Replace Murph with Tatis and move on. 8)
Still love you TRS.
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-9:03am at 9:03 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think TRS was suggesting Cora is the problem. I totally agree with your assessment of Cora by the way. TRS is saying if we get a better player in Cora’s place and have Cora off the bench we could be solid.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
Here is the thing with trading Cora. You need to find a shortstop worth your time.
Who can be had? I said this the other day, but I wonder if a change of scenery would do Tulowitzki any good. Wonder just how much Colorado has soured on him.
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-9:08am at 9:08 am (UTC -4)
Very good Q ’27. (’27???? oh damn, it’s worse than I thought).
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:17am at 9:17 am (UTC -4)
Just not sure what we’d do with Tulo once Castillo got back. But, we could target Tulo and Marquis in the same deal and hopefully be done with it.
Perhaps Tulo could play some 2B, although he is a terrific defensive SS.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:22am at 9:22 am (UTC -4)
NO NO NO, I don’t want to trade Cora. We need him in the role we signed him for. To backup Castillo and the rest of the IF>
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:28am at 9:28 am (UTC -4)
I knew what you meant. Came out the wrong way. I meant to say “here’s the thing with trading for a shortstop to replace cora in an everyday capacity until Reyes comes back”.
I think it’s important to give Reyes enough time and not rush him back like we do with everyone else.
My new trade target is Tulowitzki. Coming off a horrible season. Starting off horrible this year. That’s a guy you can trade Murphy for. Maybe even take on Helton’s bad contract.
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
Oh, and yeah, Murphy stinks. Should’ve traded him when he had some value.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
Still has some value. You don’t think the O’s would want him as part of a trade for Huff?
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
I’m really negative today…but probably.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
Not at all. He is a much lesser player and Baltimore is supposedly stacked in the minors. Unless they need a AA designated hitter, I don’t think Murph can be considered a “chip” anymore.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:19am at 9:19 am (UTC -4)
Disagree, again when looking for salary dumps, guys like Murphy are great. They can step in an give you some production this year while you are waiting for your studs.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
Murphy hasn’t given the Mets any production. Why would Baltimore think they could get any out of him? He will be their DH.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/5/2009-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
I think the Mets, if they, can, should include Murphy in a trade. He has been exposed this year and it is unfortunately apparent he does not play any position well. I don’t see a position for him in the future plan. I feel as if the Mets don’t either. I do not see him as our first baseman next year.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
No doubt that Cora is not the problem, but he is not the solution either. Cora, like Tatis, are perfect for their roles. Cora’s role was to play 2B 2-3 times a week and now SS 1-2 times a week. That gets him in half the games. Not to mention the fact that he is playing injured already.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
I agree with that. Just because someone is out for a month though, it doesn’t mean you need to trade for a big time bat.
charlies
6/5/2009-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
Today, I awake officially pessimistic about the Mets chances of making the playoffs this year. The sweep aside (it stunk, but it’s just three games) my feeling is based on a bad feeling about Reyes’ injury, the thought that JJ is probably going to have surgery, and a rotation that, well, kind of stinks. Oh, and then there’s the thin farm system to mostly rule out help coming via trade.
The sweep is but a symptom of a larger problem…
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think the rotation stinks, but I agree with everything else. SP though:
Santana A
Pelfrey B
Maine B
Livan B-
Redding F
Perez ?(Potential B, potential F)
I think if we could acquire one more starting pitcher and get HEALTHY, we could be the team to beat.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:03am at 9:03 am (UTC -4)
I don’t understand Redding. The guy looked good in 2007 and the first part of 2008. So he pitched with under a 4.00 ERA for a year and now this has happen.
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
Totally agree trs. I was wrong about two things this offseason (probably more, lol). I thought Cora was a poor acquisition, I was wrong. I thought Redding could be decent, so far I’m wrong there too.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
I loved the Cora signing from the beginning. So many fans, teammates, managers that were singing his praises when he left Boston.
charlies
6/5/2009-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
Okay, stinks was too strong, but to be fair you have two guys in there with F’s. The injuries have been difficult to overcome. I should also have noted that the pen has been falling apart and the lack of home runs is alarming (stadium or not).
trs86
6/5/2009-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
Ok so bare with me here. What about the Wipons trying to buy their way out of this by taking on bad 1 year contracts that will not cost us true prospects? Go over the luxury tax, I know not happening, and make an attempt for this year.
Go get Vincent Padilla, DeRossa, Tejada, types and see what happens. It’s only money and you are the Mets.
metsgirl31
6/5/2009-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
I would prefer they do this rather than gut the farm system and trade what little prospects we have. I’m just not optimistic they will do this.
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
I’ve thought this before and if we did that I think we could really be solid until the real players come back. Two of those three specifically could make the difference.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
Personally, I think they will wait out a few weeks here….with the upcoming schedule, we will see very fast if we can still compete.
At this time next week, we seriously could be 8+ games back heading into a series with the Yanks, or we could be tied with the Phils.
This morning stinks, but we need to win at least 2 of 3 in Wash, and move on to Philly and try to win there.
If we stand 7–10 games back in 1–2 weeks, then the Wilpons do indeed need to show the optimists out here that they do indeed intend to spend more to win.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:21am at 9:21 am (UTC -4)
Yeah but besides money for THIS year what do those guys cost us? You think the Rangers really want any prospects for Padilla? You pay for 8 million of that 11 million dollar contract and they will give you a prospect.
sabermetrician
6/5/2009-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
Agreed, and that is the key to your whole argument.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
True, and I sincerely hope that the Wilpons are indeed willing to add salary this year…
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Its funny because I got killed for saying 3 days ago realistically we could be 8-10 games back by the end of the month with this schedule. I was told about the 19-9 May, how well these guys are competing, etc. Bottom line is AA team can only perform for so long. Sheffield imo will start showing diminishing returns and asking Murphy to be part of a 20 HR 100 RBI tandum is too much pressure on him! Martinez isnt ready. I dont think we can wait a month. Omar will pull the trigger soon.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
Joe that was before the Reyes injury made it multiple weeks instead of a few more games.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
Agreed.
rustyjr
6/5/2009-9:08am at 9:08 am (UTC -4)
can we get rick reed out of retirement?
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:14am at 9:14 am (UTC -4)
How about El Sid? He tried to make at least one comeback??
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:14am at 9:14 am (UTC -4)
Only if Dave Mlicki comes along as well.
rustyjr
6/5/2009-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
i hear kevin kobel is available
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/5/2009-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
What do you guys think of Carlos Lee? We would give up a b-level prospect and maybe Murphy and take on a big contract. Do you think Astros would go with that? OR would they want FMart in return?
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:28am at 9:28 am (UTC -4)
I think I like Carlos Lee, Martinez, Huff, Dunn,Berkman, and the list goes on. What it will take to get one of these players I have no idea. I do know I dont think Omar is ready to throw away the season since optimistically our injured players should return this year. IMO we will have a big bat in here shortly.
rustyjr
6/5/2009-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
i think thats pie in the sky thinking kistics its gonna take a hell of alot more than murph and some mid level prospects btw i was talking to my wife who’s a pharmacist she says a partial hamstring tear isnt that bad – it heals with rest – so if we can hold on for a couple of weeks he might be back asap
trs86
6/5/2009-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
I like the Lee idea. It’s a different course. Planning for next year. We need a LF for next year with pop, no matter how this season goes. I would be willing to give up a couple of better prospects for him. Maybe Niese, Gee, or even one of the young pitchers.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
Houston never shows the inclination to give up and dump salary.
I don’t see them starting now, and not for these types of packages.
Why would Houston trade a big power hitter, who might result ina lot of interest, for a couple of guys who would be lucky to be 5th starters and who can’t get out of their own way in AAA right now?
trs86
6/5/2009-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
That is why I said maybe even using Holt or the other kid.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Sorry, I didn’t know what you meant by “one of the young pitchers.”
I would think that Holt could be a starting point if he shows some success in AA. At the same time, if he shows some success at AA, I’d be hesitant to deal him.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/5/2009-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
I think you maybe right. But Lee has one of their biggest contracts and they might be looking to dump some salary. Especially in this economy.
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
I agree. i get the argument about panicking and giving up prospects but if the right player is out there, and we feel like they are either under contract or we will go hard during the off season to re-sign, i have no problem giving up any prospects. You can never predict prospects and no one knows this better than us. We can go back to the 90′s with the pitching staff we thought would dominate for a decade and the list goes on. Proven major league talent is worth getting instead of hoping and praying for Fmart to become Manny Ramirez.
billydeewilliams
6/5/2009-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
so i was out of commission last night with some band practice and what not and had no clue about the length of time without Reyes. what a way to start a morning.
rustyjr
6/5/2009-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
were you doing the theme from mohagany? lol
billydeewilliams
6/5/2009-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
filming this actually:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdd0edT-BeE
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
Good morning! At what point do the Wilpons see that Omars judgement on
most issues running this this team
in questionable,at best?
AND at what point will the local
media start to pile on Omar?
This training staff has to answer
some questions.Just off the top of my
head we have Delgado,Reyes,Putz and
Ollie all injured and all misdiagnosed.Last season there was
the Church and Wagner fiascos.
Then there was the previous matters
of Duque,Alou and Castillo receiving
contracts despite having prexisting
injuries which left them either unable
to contribute at all or very little.
Also other strange ones like Nathan
Vineyard.What other team goes through this? And more to the point,what other
large market,high payrolled team goes
through this? Now,its not Omars fault
if a guy gets injured BUT it always
seems to take weeks if not months to
correctly determine what exactly the injury is and how to treat it.That is
Omars responsibility! This is his staff.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
I agree that’s a lot of injuries and those guys need to go. But how can you blame the injuries we have had on Omar? It’s one thing when a guy like Pedro, Alou, Elduque get injured. It’s another when Reyes, Church, and Ollie get injured.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, Omar has made some mistakes but he can’t be blamed for today’s rain, the spread of AIDS or torn hamstrings in 25 year old athletes.
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
Any guy not reading.In reyes’situatation,how do you have him going
to FLA to rehab
with multiple leg injuries which will keep him out months unhealed?
Like Church and
Wags last yr..
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
According to the Post today, the hamstring injury is a SEPARATE and NEW injury that occurred the other night during his rehab start.
And this makes complete sense since his original injury was for tendonitis in the CALF.
So I would have to diagree with the idea that Omar sent him to play with multiple unhealed injuries because that is just not accurate.
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
You’re not reading
TRS,I said Omars not
to blame for the injuries.RE:Guys like
Duque,he gives these
guys big fat contracts
coming off injuries
apparently w/o having them re-examined since
they seem to arrive in
camp injured again.
AND in some cases we
never see them again.
This season, didn’t anyone check on Redding,Putz or Delgado
before this thing got
started? And how do you
let Delgado play in the WBC with his hip
situation?
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
Trade proposal:
Murphy, Niese, and low-cieling minor leaguer for Marquis, Tulo, and Helton.
Discount on players because we are taking $20MM off their hands in Helton. Finally have an excellent fielding 1B.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
Helton is a terrible risk with his injury history, his contract and the fact that he won’t hit a single home run in Citifield.
Why is Colorado trading Tulowitzki anyway? I think they view him as part of the future, not as a salary dump for three chumps.
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:35am at 9:35 am (UTC -4)
You couldn’t get Tutlowitski for that package let alone the
others.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
Tulowitzki has been horrible the last two seasons. I’d be willing to give up more and gamble that a change of scenery would do him well. He grew up idolizing Derek Jeter and would have an opportunity to share a city with him.
I think the only way Colorado would move him is in a deal for Helton.
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
Rockies not just gonna give him
away.
include FMart and
conversations can begin.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
Well, Daniel Murphy had 140 good big league at bats last year. Tulo had 500 good ones in 2007. That seems like a wash to me!
I wouldn’t include FMart in that deal, for the sole reason – we are picking up Helton’s millions.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
I have toyed with the Helton idea before. You would have to justify it some way cash wise. His contract is not just bad this year, it’s bad for years to come. Now if they would take Perez’s contract off our hand it would be more feasible.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Helton will not have any power at Citi Field and he has a huge contract. He has a great glove and can bat in the 2-hole in our lineup. He is a gritty player and showed as recently as two years ago that he still has it.
Tulowitzki: he has been dreadful for the past two seasons. He is still cheap, which makes him attractive to a potential trading partner. I think this would depend on how much Colorado has soured on him. I know there were some issues with Clint Hurdle. He is gone now, but I wonder if management would move him, if someone will take Helton as well. Either way, it was just a thought.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
Helton’s splits are extreme, he is nearly 36, and he would be going from Coors to Citi….
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
David Wright went from Shea to Citi. Granted, he isn’t 36, but he will probably end up hitting close to, but fewer than 20 home runs this year. Do you want to get rid of him?
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
Wright is NINE years younger than Helton and has zero injury history. Come on.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
OK, we’ll here is the thing. If you are looking for a viable everyday replacement for Jose Reyes, because our lineup “isn’t going to cut it” (TRS’s words), where do we need to upgrade?
The obvious choices are Shortstop or 1B. Murphy’s bat is not nearly good enough to justify his glove. At this point, I’d rather have Doug Meintkiwiczkeewiwezkecz at first base.
Personally, I don’t think we need a shortstop. I think Cora can do the job for a month. Acquiring Tulo would be the added bonus for taking on Helton’s aweful contract. But at least for Helton’s aweful contract, you’ll be getting a gold glove caliber glove at 1B and SS. I think taking on $60MM (or whatever the number is) in payroll should allow you to request a young player who has had one good major league season in a hitter’s park.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
True, but he is not really a HR hitter anyway. Would having a larger OF actually benefit him?
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
Hmmm, very good point…
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
I’d have no problem slotting Helton in to the 2-hole.
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
Heltons already lost his power the last few
seasons b/c of back
issues.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
According to the Post, Reyes will be out at least 2-3 weeks but more likely 4-6 because the Mets will be cautious. That doesn’t seem to me to be “at least 4-6 weeks.”
Anyway, I strongly disagree with the need to bring in Mark DeRosa. He, like Cora and Tatis, should not be an everyday player. He is extremely valuable as a utility player but he doesn’t play SS well enough to play there everyday or even a lot of the time.
I think we will just have to live with Cora playing mostly everyday at SS for the next month.
If I’m making a big trade, I’m making it for a starting pitcher. Especially with Putz out, we need starters who make sure the bullpen will not be overused, since there are only three relievers left that Jerry will actually use regularly.
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
Ask the Cubbies how valuable
DeRosa is.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:35am at 9:35 am (UTC -4)
Everyday at SS?
We have DeRosa part II in Tatis.
And highly doubt missing DeRosa (who mostly played RF for them, not SS) is the reason that no one in that lineup is hitting or that Aramis Ramirez got hurt or that Marmol/Gregg can’t get a hit.
You can’t seriously be pinning Chicago’s teamwide failure on the absence of a utility player.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
mamrol and gregg can’t get an OUT.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:39am at 9:39 am (UTC -4)
Agree about the Cubbies link but a guy like DeRossa is important. He is a better defender at the middle spots than Tatis and you can’t expect Castillo and Cora to play everyday.
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Read the Chicago papers
and you’ll find out
how much
they miss the guy.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Unless he was Derek Lee’s hitting coach, Aramis Ramirez’s trainer and doctor, and Carlos Marmol’s psychologist, I have a hard time believing their season would be any different.
Sure, he’s a nice little player and a versatile guy — probably even a coach on the field — but he’s not a difference maker and certainly not to this degree.
Not to mention, he’s not a SS.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
Sorry, I have not read this mornings papers. Yesterday the reports were 4-6.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/5/2009-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
I agree with you on DeRosa. He will most likely play 1B, 2B and OF. He didn’t play much SS in the past. So, I don’t know how this will help the Mets in terms of stop-gap for Reyes.
I think they need a big bat at OF. Someone who can hit HRs. I know FMart has played decent, but if you bring in guys like Lee or Huff, this line up can be much better.
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
Yes we need a guy who hits a 3 run shot in the 5th inning and takes the pressure off the offense, starting pitching, and the bullpen. We lack that guy that allows us to take a deep breath during the game. In 06 we had Valentin and others that would contribute and take that pressure off the core and everyone else.
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Agree that we are beyond Derosa at this point. I disagree with bringing in a starting pitcher unless we are able to do it after acquiring a big bat. I have faith in Pelf, Maine, and Livan to continue to pitch well.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
But what about the black hole of the #5 spot?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/5/2009-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
We have a guy that gets paid $12 mil in the minors…. or Redding
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
Leave me alone!! lol
I dont know stop making me think so much!
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
My hopes are that we win 2 or 3 in Washington most likely 2 and by the Philly series we have a new bat in here. Maybe we win the series at Philly and then I will be able to take a deep breath along with the team and the management. Then we can re assess.
trs86
6/5/2009-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
Winning that series with Philly would buy us a little time for sure.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Yes, that is what I think Omar must be thinking. Somehow get through the next 1–2 weeks without losing any more ground, see how Reyes (and Ollie??) are progressing, and then re-evaluate the situation.
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
Totally agree but I think Omar is going to try at least to sprinkle a big bat into that plan. Agree?
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
In my estimation, there may be four guys in the league that can hit 40 home runs playing their home games at Citi Field:
1) A-Rod
2) Pujols
3) Adrian Gonzalez
4) Adam Dunn
Unless they are getting one of them, they will be turning a 35 home run hitter into a 20 home run hitter.
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
And thats fine. We need a 20 Hr 100 rbi guy.
wannybackstra
6/5/2009-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
Don’t forget that the Mets also play 81 games on the road. Power hitters are still important elsewhere.
There's Always '27
6/5/2009-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
Very true, but how many 40HR hitters do you know of that played in parks like Citi Field 81 times/season? Fact is, the only way to play a majority of games in a hitter’s park is to play your home games there.
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
I do sincerely hope that he will try, and as guys like Roy and Roy and Bedard may be unavailable, you are probably right that that may be the direction he heads in….personally, I would love a true number 2 starter, but how many are available?
As for bats, Lee is awfully pricey….would the disastrous Nats want to trade Dunn? Who knows. But yeah, we need a bat too and it may be easier to add.
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
I would love Dunn. We all know what we are getting from him. Met fans wouldnt put the pressure on him of saving the season. We all know he will strike out but more importantly we all know he will hit the 3 run shot. I just feel he will quietly come in and deliver. I’m worried too much pressure may be put on other guys. Actually I really dont care lol as long as we get someone.
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
Yes…if we dont lose 2 of 3 to the Nats!
Our best hope, and I would thank the Baseball gods if this happens, is for Philly to hit a big skid. Like losing 8 out of 10 type of skid and we play ok to close the gap to maybe a game back. That would be ideal.
CaseStreet
6/5/2009-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
we can sweep the Nats and take 2 of 3 from the Phils. We’d be 4-4 for June, heading up against the Yanks who we’ve owned lately. Too bad, Delgado ain’t playing against them, maybe someone else will have a 9 RBI day @ TNYS
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
Love the optimism Case–mine is returning very slowly…..but let’s just hope Raul and Tex don’t have any 9 RBI days in the next couple of weeks….
CaseStreet
6/5/2009-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
true, right now would be a good time for Ibanez to cool off
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
Yeah and on cue last night as Im wallowing in my depression who comes up in LA in the 6th, I believe, with 2 guys on??
A live look in from MLB Network…Ibanez and what does he do?
Hits the ball opposite field into the gap lol
rustyjr
6/5/2009-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
hey kong i have a shoutout to u on my post
Kingman 26
6/5/2009-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
Thanks Rusty–just saw it, and right in time, as I am out for a while!
Have a good one buddy!
fongy2
6/5/2009-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
Yeah and if I pick the right 6 numbers saturday night I could be a lucky lotto winner.Are you kidding?
CaseStreet
6/5/2009-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
all you need is a little bit of luck
Joe R
6/5/2009-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
A little bit of luck is a Yankee fan!
mrbill
6/5/2009-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
wow, talk about being positive in the middle of this mets mess.
CaseStreet
6/5/2009-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Did I just see the first advertisement on this site?
trs86
6/5/2009-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
Where case?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/5/2009-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
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trs86
6/5/2009-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
Where is that at?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/5/2009-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
It’s actually 1-877-Kars-4-Kids….
mrbill
6/5/2009-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
LOL
CaseStreet
6/5/2009-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
I’m seeing in the TRDMB Widged on the left. was tax attorney now is dirty dancing tix
trs86
6/5/2009-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
Oh yeah, when you make a widget if you don’t pay for it then they throw an add in there sometimes.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/5/2009-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
You should get paid!
CaseStreet
6/5/2009-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
how much is a widget?
trs86
6/5/2009-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
LOL, I don’t know, considering we make no money right now any cost is too much.
fongy2
6/5/2009-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
You guys need to lower you expectations here.First,we’re not
just gonna be gifted players from
another team w/o giving up the
likes of FMart and Holt.Second don’t
expect either Delgado or Reyes back
until sometime in August,at best.
Third,we might be able to survive
this if this was a team which shown
heart and resiliency BUT this group
hasn’t.Just the opposite actully.
Fourth,we ain’t chasing the Texas
Rangers in the AL West BUT the Phillies and now have the Braves on our heels And multiple teams in the
Central trying to get a playoff spot.
Lastly,how long before another Met
goes down,isn’t put on the DL for a
week,then is,told he’ll be back in afew days before finding out he needs
surgery which will keep him out two
months?
trs86
6/5/2009-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
So Fongy you just want to give up? You don’t think we can get some salary dumps that could help the team?
fongy2
6/5/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Did I say that?
But some of you sound
like yankee fans.
“we should get Lee or
Tutlowitski” “But I don’t wanna give up FMart” “we can sweep
the Nats and blah,blah,
blah”.This season right
now is in serious jeopardy and Omars “patience” isn’t a good trait to have
Action need to be taken
ASAP!
mrbill
6/5/2009-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
In the condition this team is I don’t think they can sweep any team…. not even the nats.
Mr. Mets Butler
6/6/2009-6:46pm at 6:46 pm (UTC -4)
hmm
Joe R
6/5/2009-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Fong..Im not the biggest Omar fan and Im not a Omar hater.
I think its a bit nuts to think Omar isnt working the phones trying to bring in a big bat. Omar loves to make trades. He will pull the trigger if a percentage of Citi Field isn’t included in the deal.
CaseStreet
6/5/2009-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
I’d say ur glass is less than half full. Maybe you need another shot.
fongy2
6/5/2009-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
Actually,maybe I need
A shot!
Joe R
6/5/2009-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
Wow…Ok so what’s your point?? Its funny how everyone was talking about how much heart and grit this team had last week. I think someone here even said this team may be known for its HEART at the end of the year. I tend to agree more with you Fongy…I laughed at that because I took it for what it was. Some carrer AA guys getting their shot and delivering early on. Thats expected. And what usually follows is these players coming back to Earth and returning to their skill level. I was yelled at for insisting we needed another bat when things looked up a week or so ago. Its unfair to expect Wright and Beltran to carry the load for months on end. Its unrealistic to expect a 40 yr. old and a rookie to put up 40 HR 100 rbi numbers. I do think with an addition of a big bat we can hang around and even excel. Cora coming back is huge imo. If Church comes back strong our lineup will look fine and most likely it will look good. Cora, Castillo, Beltran, Wright, A big bat, Church, Murphy, etc. We have Johan, Krod. We have some players on this team. A small Philly losing streak combined with us winning a few and a big bat and everything calms down for a bit.
mrbill
6/5/2009-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
I agree. You know your team is in trouble when in order to win you expect other teams to lose.
Joe R
6/5/2009-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
Yes, but that is where we are right now in the season. If we can hang around and compete and not let the gap get any bigger this will be a huge success and a lift!!
I think this month might be the biggest month of the year with everything going on. If we stick around we may be smiling come October!
fongy2
6/5/2009-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
Joe,forget the
Phillies.
They’re gone.
We ain’t catching them.
Omar needs to
do something to make sure the WildCard
does get too far out of sight.
metsfan4decades
6/5/2009-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
Read the posts. Read all the comments. My head is just spinning…
I don’t know where we go from here. So many on the DL, don’t know what we’ll get back when they get off the DL:
- Delgado ?
- Church ? Between last year and the platooning this year does anybody have a clue what Church can really do? Is he a starter? Should he be platooned? Is he really just a 4th outfielder?
- Ollie?
- Putz?
- Reyes – no matter how long it takes until he gets back he’s probably the one guy I’m not worried about when he does get back.
Even before the Reyes DL, I said our starting pitching depth was really shaky. I still believe that. We’re one injury away from disaster. I still believe bare minimum, we have to go get another starter.
As far as a bat? You all have some real good suggestions. I don’t even know where to start on this. I’d be leaning towards an OF, especially in light of Sheff’s age, Church’s uncertainty, FMart being a rookie..
In all my decades as a Met fan I don’t recall any other time in history where the team was in as bad a shape as we’ve been these past several weeks with injuries and sickness. I mean, talk about across the board….
Joe R
6/5/2009-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
Agree for the most part however, i do think bringing in a big bat to take the pressure off of the starting pitching, the bullpen, even the offense is first on Omar’s list now. A big bat replaces Delgado immediately and then we are basically missing Reyes and imo Cora can do a decent to good job filling in. Yes we need Church to step up and we may be rolling the dice with our staff. We have to hope Ollie and the contract he signed comes back from never never land but I think thats the risk we have to take. I think a bat is front and center.
metsfan4decades
6/5/2009-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
You very well could be right but…
If we concentrate on the bat, and one of our starters goes down, say Aug. we’re in deep trouble. Right now we’re doing this with no Ollie – and who knows about him? – Livan who has been decent – and Reading who is one big question mark.
I just don’t know. I’ll probably be satisfied no matter what priority they pick (and hey, both SP and bat would be great). I’m now in the mindset though of standing pat and waiting it out is not an option if we think we’re still in it this year.
fongy2
6/5/2009-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
Looking at the schedules,we’ll be lucky if we’re not 10back of the Phils
and 5/6 back of the Braves by the All-Star break.This team needed a Bat
BEFORE Delgado went down.Now with this
Reyes injury we need a Big Bat AND
a MLB ShortStop.If Omar was to pull
off getting these things,we’d still
need everyone else to conribute on a
high level AND to get Ollie back Pitching like Ollie of 2 yrs ago..
This all gonna happen?
Joe R
6/5/2009-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
It doesnt all have to happen. A bat replaces Delgado. Cora can help at SS. We are getting good pitching
fongy2
6/5/2009-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
And that would be good enough for what?3rdplace?