“All I ask is that you bust your heiny on that field.” Casey Stengel
Here’s what you missed on Wednesday, June 10, 2009:
- This day in Mets infamy with Rusty 6/10/09 by rustyjr
- The Glory Days of Drafting? by trs86
- GKR Update and Keith signing! by mrose
- Not Breaking: The Phillies are Jerks by prismo
- Man Up Awards For Tuesday Night by dirtysanchez
- Gameday Weather 6/10/09 by prismo
- In-Depth Look… Cole Hamels by QnsNative718
- Who needs the CorE? We have CorA! by trs86
- Mets Picks: The 2009 First-Year Player Draft Rounds 1-30 by GravediggerHebner
- Our… Situation. by QnsNative718
- Game Thread: Mets (31-25) vs Phillies (33-23) by dirtysanchez
- Slurm Post Game: Philadelphia Phillies 5, New York Mets 4 by GravediggerHebner
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115 comments
prismo
6/11/2009-7:14am at 7:14 am (UTC -4)
Here’s what you missed on Wednesday, June 10, 2009:
Prismo crying at 11:00pm
rustyjr
6/11/2009-7:29am at 7:29 am (UTC -4)
i wasnt crying – IWAS YELLING AT THAT FREEKING OOOMPA LOOMPA WERTH MAKING THAT FREEKING CATCH !!! AND HOW COULD THAT UP BOTCH THAT CALL AT FIRST HE WAS CLEARLY SAFE AND THE RUN SHOULDA SCORED !!!! BUT IM BEING SERIOUS WHEN I SAY THIS ONE THING – I BELIEVE THE PHILS ARE SCARED OF US NOW AFTER SEEING PELFRY GOING AT FRUCKNUTLEY !!!
darknova306
6/11/2009-7:32am at 7:32 am (UTC -4)
I didn’t get a chance to see the game. What happened between Pelf and Utley?
rustyjr
6/11/2009-7:41am at 7:41 am (UTC -4)
UTLEY WAS CONSISTANTLY GGOING OUT OF THE BATTERS BOX SO PELF YELLED SOMETHING AT HIM – WORDS WERE EXCHANGED AND PELF ENDED UP GETTING HIM OUT – WHEN PELF WAS WALKING BACK TO THE DUGOUT HE WENT DIRECTLY TOWARDS FRUGNUTLEY AND STARED HIM DOWN IN PASSING – (DAVEY LOPES PHILTHS 1B COACH) RAN DEFENSE TO KEEP THE 2 APART
metsfan4decades
6/11/2009-8:16am at 8:16 am (UTC -4)
I hear that, prismo. Such a disappointing loss. If any one of several things went our way (from great catches to blown calls) or we had a bit more offense in any one of those bases loaded spots – the outcome would have been different.
darknova306
6/11/2009-7:45am at 7:45 am (UTC -4)
Ugh, defensive miscues and the inability to drive runners in. Glad I had to miss this game.
rustyjr
6/11/2009-7:49am at 7:49 am (UTC -4)
should of been a different outcome – the umps blew a call that a run would scored on
darknova306
6/11/2009-7:55am at 7:55 am (UTC -4)
Bad calls happen. You can’t give extra outs to a powerful lineup like that.
rustyjr
6/11/2009-8:02am at 8:02 am (UTC -4)
no argument there
udontmesswthejohan
6/11/2009-8:20am at 8:20 am (UTC -4)
A Tale of Two Games:
There were points early in that game where I felt like the Mets were playing there best baseball of the season. Particularly the inning where they strung together all of those hits and then came out on defense and made some great plays (Wright and Beltran). This may have also been the inning Pelf started jawing with Utley.
Unfortunately, the second half of the game was rife with men LOB and some errors. It was a disappointing loss, but all in all I liked the fire and intensity. Hopefully we can build on the positives.
P.S. I loved the take out slide by Cora on Utley…a little pay back from the night before. Totally clean and hard nosed. That said for the first time since this rivalry has taken off, I got the feeling that these two teams might actually brawl. Tighten your seat belts boys!
dirtysanchez
6/11/2009-8:50am at 8:50 am (UTC -4)
Just thinking about the game
parnell should have entered in the 7th with bases
felciano takes out the lefites in the 8th(which he did)
krod in 9th
but thats spilled milk….tough loss. Hopefully we can take the rubber
rustyjr
6/11/2009-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
agreed – but we will have a tough task tonite – redding vs moyer
dirtysanchez
6/11/2009-9:08am at 9:08 am (UTC -4)
oh crap your right lol(i was thinking its maines turn)
rustyjr
6/11/2009-9:39am at 9:39 am (UTC -4)
WELL THIS IS WHY WE GOT rEDDING – HE IS SUPPOSED TO PITCH WELL AGAINST THE PHILTHS
darknova306
6/11/2009-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
Except that Redding is terrible this year. With a WHIP over 1.70, BB rate of over 5 per 9IP, and a K/9 rate of just over 5, this lineup is going to light him up. Past success for a pitcher against a specific team doesn’t really do anything for me. Look at Burnett against the Sawx. Ouch. The only thing in our favor tonight is that Moyer is equally dreadful this year. This’ll be slugfest, and I don’t see our lineup being able to compete with Philly’s (thanks to the injuries).
rustyjr
6/11/2009-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
that meant to have a dejected tone to it nova – sorry
darknova306
6/11/2009-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
Heh, oops. Dejected is a good word for it…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
If Parnell came in the 7th and got 8 and 9th hitters out, Feliciano would have faced Rollins and Vicky in the 8th. Plus Green did what he was supposed to do. It was Wright and Beltran’s errors that were costly.
mrbill
6/11/2009-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
It was Wright and Beltran’s errors that were costly.
WOW, i agree with you kistics. If Beltran catches that ball it is a different game. Yes, they left a lot of men on base but at that point they had the lead.
I don’t care how much the mets were “right there” with the phillies, they should have won. I am not a fan of moral victories (to quote cartin on wfan).
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
Yes. Too many LOB and those too errors cost us the game.
It seems that so many fundamental mistakes are being made in so many games we lose. We have seen time and time again (even in games we win) lack of fundamental baseball. You need to blame this on the manager. Jerry needs to do a better job.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, once again I agree Mr Bill.
Wright’s and Beltran’s plays were very disappointing. Especially Wright’s. I mean, the last thing Sean Green needs is to have to get an extra out!
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
Unless they changed the scoring after the game, Beltran’s play was technically not an error.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
I know, I did not say it was an error, just that it was disappointing, as he usually makes that play.
Werth makes the crazy catch in RF, and our Gold Glovers botch plays they usually make. Disappointing I think.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Sorry, I was responding to your conversation which began with Mr. bill calling it an error, not suggesting that you did.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
No apology necessary my friend….sorry if I came off harsh….
But our two Gold Glovers having those plays while Werth made his, damn, isn’t that just the epitome of the last two years??
dirtysanchez
6/11/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
well i would have used green for rollins and vicky with NOBODY on base….
ghostofshea
6/11/2009-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
Damn no matter what it still was a good nail biting game. U cant blame that 1 play thag the ump blew at first. Idk y it wasnt argued. Tatis jus let it go. He shouldve got gangsta and thrown the helmet at the umps face. Kidding, but it was the runners left on base that beat the mets. The mets had multiple bases loaded and 2 on situations. Had the hits wouldve came it would have been like 13-5. It doesnt take a power bat to make that happen. A base hit each time couldve easily been 2 runs each. The power bat would be a plus though however. The hell with it, sum1 tell keith to suit up. I know he has 40 more doubles left in him.
billydeewilliams
6/11/2009-9:09am at 9:09 am (UTC -4)
I like to think that the phils can’t actually beat the mets. the mets can certainly beat themselves, which they did about 20 times last night.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. It seems that all the games Mets lost against the Phillies this year, it was always the Mets giving the game away rather than Phillies winning it.
rustyjr
6/11/2009-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
very true billydee – why can’t omir santos take a few pitches – i like the kid but he has to learn paitence
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
I think he was thinking the same thing as before when he hit that HR off Papelbon. Until Santos, Park threw only fastballs. So, Santos was looking for that. But then Park didn’t throw it for a strike and that was the problem…
rustyjr
6/11/2009-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
especially since the book on park is he isnt a control pitcher and tends to walk the park ( no pun intended)
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
Yes. But I think Park pitches well out of Bullpen. He did a very good job last year with the Dodgers and have done a decent job so far in Philly out of Bullpen.
ghostofshea
6/11/2009-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Thats basically wat i said. :$
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-9:20am at 9:20 am (UTC -4)
Phillies did not win the game last night. Mets gave it away. Poor situational hitting and bad errors in the 7th cost us the game. Last night’s game should have been something like 8-4. Not 4-5. Mets had so many chances and they blew it. Sheff’s strikeout was really bad. Wright’s pop-up was bad too. Also too many first pitch swinging as well.
mrbill
6/11/2009-9:25am at 9:25 am (UTC -4)
Also too many first pitch swinging as well.
Murphy and Santos to name two.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Worked for FMart, that’s .333 success which is All-Star caliber.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
DND….your post, rewritten:
Phillies did not win the division the last two seasons. Mets gave it away. Poor situational hitting and bad errors down the stretch cost us the seasons. Last two Septembers’ games should have been something like 8-4. Not 4-5. Mets had so many chances and they blew it. Critical strikeout were really bad. Wright’s/Reyes’s pop-ups were bad too. Also too much first pitch swinging as well.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
That’s ridiculous. Of course they won. They did not stay home and watch TV while we lost, they went out and won games they had to win.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
Of course they had to win their games, but they needed major help to be able to even have a chance to play in the Playoffs. They got that help. Anyway, my point was last night’s game was a microcosm of the last two seasons.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
LOL…
… sigh….
darknova306
6/11/2009-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
All they did was go out and win the games they needed to win. We gagged in those games. They played better than we did, so they won. I’ll give you that September 07 was more on us than anything, but to say the Phillies didn’t earn either year is a mistake. If you’re a good team and your rival stumbles, you take advantage.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
One good thing that we can take from this game is that the Mets can hit Camels Hole. He didn’t do well against the Mets last year and was terrible yesterday.
For some reason he did not throw his curveball last night…
mrbill
6/11/2009-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Except that he is still right about his comment re mets.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Ouch.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
Eh, that would be like Heilman calling out the bullpen last year. Hamels hasn’t really performed well against the Mets over the past two seasons.
darknova306
6/11/2009-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
Except that Hamels has a ring now, which means he can say whatever he wants.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
ouch.
mrbill
6/11/2009-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
Wasn’t camels the post season mvp last year?
QnsNative718
6/11/2009-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
Regarding the blown call at first… All I gotta say is the Man giveth and the man taketh.(Sorry if I come off like a di*k). You remember that blown call by the umps last Friday night in Washington? Wright was called safe at 3rd when he was clearly out. The next batter, Beltran drove him in with a line drive to center. That tied the game and led us into extra innings and eventually won. If that play is called correctly, we LOSE that game 1-0.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Yeah. I don’t care about that blown call. Beltran stole 3rd couple times and Umps blew the calls there too.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
Anyone notice how much heart Victorino showed when he was jumping up and down on the bench when Utley his his home run?
Reyes is unprofessional, but Vic has heart!
mrbill
6/11/2009-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
I think victorino was mocking K-rod’s celebration from the night before.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
I think K-Rod should wear a spider monkey mask tonight and mock Victorino’s face.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
LOL.. and KRod should walk on his knees too.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
Yeah. Rollins was doing the same thing. I don’t understand what their problem is. KRod did not do this to show them up. He ALWAYS did his celebration. And it’s after the game is over too. So, I don’t understand why Vicky and Rollins have problem with it too. Didn’t Rollins try to shush the crowd after his HR? And this was DURING the game!
Talk about an inferior complex. They’ve got something stuck up their a-holes.
trs86
6/11/2009-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
I don’t understand why they don’t get beaned. Having a brawl could really change the rivalry.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
definitely. someone needs to do something. i don’t know about a brawl, but Mets need to send a message.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
If they had Teixeira, he would send a Tex message into the seats. Tex Marks the spot!
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
If they had Manny…. oh wait… Manny’s not playing now…..
rustyjr
6/11/2009-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
lets not go there again – we woulda been booing that signing after he was suspended
mrbill
6/11/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
YES!! a brawl!!!
metsgirl31
6/11/2009-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
I can’t say how strongly I agree with this…I couldn’t even sleep last nite cuz I was so mad. If we feel disrespected shouldn’t the Mets feel that way too??
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Man, I think we whine about the Phils WAYYYYY too much.
They are just like the 86 Mets, but without the drunken drug addicts and propensity to fight. And I worship the 86 Mets.
metsgirl31
6/11/2009-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
Celebrating is one thing but mocking opposing players…that’s childish and classless.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Baseball is not church or school or heart surgery or rocket science. It is a game played by grown up kids.
metsgirl31
6/11/2009-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
I understand your point…but the fact remains there is a double standard and if any NY player (be it Mets or Yankees) behaved that way there would be an uproar. I think its a classless move. Yes they won the division the last 2 years and yes they won the WS last year but their behavior is ridiculous.
darknova306
6/11/2009-10:45am at 10:45 am (UTC -4)
It’s professional sports; the only thing that matters is winning. They’re just desperate for attention because no one outside Philly gives a crap about them. The Mets just need to go out and win a championship to shut these d-bags up. Get it done, guys!
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Again, I have no problem with celebrations. But when you say “that team can’t celebrate, but we can…”. If Reyes did the same thing last night, he’d be on ESPN for it.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
Phils have two divisions and a WS title the last two years. What do we have?
mrbill
6/11/2009-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
Please don’t remind me.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
That has nothing to do with it. Are you saying after the Mets won the division in 2006, that gave them the right to jump up and down without incident? Gimme a break.
You are right that they have won, but that doesn’t give the a “Get Out of Jail Free” card. Victorino should be plunked. Great camerawork to find him in the dugout as well.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
Did you see the Mets’ celebration after winning the division in 2006?
I just think celebrations are fine when you have something to celebrate.
Doing little dances for 2nd inning HRs is bush league nonsense. Maybe in the WS, but not in a frigin May game against the Marlins. That is why they hate us.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
Apparently mocking celebrations is all good but celebrating is out. Anyway Vicky did that in the dugout so I’ve got no problem with it at all.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
Do I smell some sarcasm?
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
The first sentence is sarcasm, but seriously those guys could whip out ballons and streamers and put on dance music, if they do it in their own dugout that’s their business. The alleged difference, although Vicky is a hypocrite in this context, is that the Mets do it on the field.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
what difference does that make? What KRod does is not meant to disrespect the opposition. KRod has always been doing that and EVERYONE knows about it.
But when Vicky does that in the dugout and he CLEARLY meant to show it up to opposition by standing on top of the seats, it’s their business?
What kind of rule it that?
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
It’s what all the other team’s players say when criticizing the Mets, specifically Jose Reyes, that he does all his pointing slapping and dancing on the field and that’s why they feel disrespected and get upset. I’ve read multiple quotes from players that said if Reyes did it in the dugout they wouldn’t care.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
Eh, slam me if you need to, but Reyes looked like a silly jackass doing his dances and handshakes in the middle of choking away the 2007 season.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
But Reyes didn’t do it to mock them or show opposition up. They are celebrating. What’s wrong with that?
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
I seriously would have no problem with Victorino jumping up and down on the bench had they not started this media infatuation with the so called Mets over the top celebrations. Would you rather your team win a very good ballgame and just sit there stoicly?
But being that Victorino thinks he’s much better than he actually is, for some reason he is above all of that and can celebrate/mock anyone he chooses. Victorino is a nice player, turned into a very good player by playing in a ballpark that gives him two extra tools.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, but to some other teams, his dances/handshakes DO show them up; that is certainly their perspective.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved every curtain call and every fight in 86.
I just think that all of that stuff is more appropriate when you can back it up.
And as Mr Bill might say, they have won and can back it up. We can’t.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
Has nothing to do with it. By that rationale, the Royals can’t celebrate a walk-off win against anyone.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Jose wasn’t celebrating walk-off wins with his dances and handshakes. He was often celebrating 2nd inning HRs. And way too often.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
We can go on and on about this all day.
The last thing I’ll say about this is if you are going to say games in April mean just as much as games in September (somethign I believe in), then a home run in the 2nd inning, is just as important as one in the 8th or 9th. Lastings Milledge high-fiving fans is out of line. Reyes can’t do a special handshake and hip bump with Delgado?
Where were all of the critics when Jeter was doing his special handshake with EVERYONE in the dugout? The Phillies have created this “monster” and they’ve obviously done a good job of it.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Regarding Pelf. He pitched well last night. But does he seem really tense to you guys? If something ticks him off, he really loses it. I guess that’s good in some sense, but if the opposing team realizes this, they’ll use that against him. Break his rhythm and get in his head. He can’t seem to control his emotions.
trs86
6/11/2009-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
Interesting stat here, with Tatis being ask to bunt last night.
Mets have 36 SH (bunts) Dodgers with similar power issues and MANY more runs scored have 21.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
Everyone loves BIG TATIS!!!
mrbill
6/11/2009-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
That bunt was controversial. Some thought it was interference.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Yeah it looked like an interference to me. But then it was hard to tell.
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
I think bunting there is ridiculous, and he ran into the ball and was out anyway.
trs86
6/11/2009-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
From the angel I think he barely dodged it. Either way, why bunt there?
trs86
6/11/2009-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
angle
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
I hate bunting there, and your Dodger stats show why!
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
For a significant portion of the season they had Casey Blake batting 8th, the Mets have no one close to that caliber batting 8th. Home runs or no home runs, Tatis Church Santos 6-8 is no Martin Furcal Kemp which is what they used last night.
trs86
6/11/2009-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
Both teams have a 103 OPS+.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
As teams sure, but IMO the Mets all comes from the top 5 spots, the Dodgers wealth is spread and they need the bunt and/or the home run less therefore IMO.
stickguy
6/11/2009-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Without Andre Either late game heroics they have about the same record as the Phils, if not the Mets.
trs86
6/11/2009-10:39am at 10:39 am (UTC -4)
True, but you could rearrange the Mets lineup to match if you needed to. The Mets don’t have an hitters as bad as Furcal and Martin have been.
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
I think if someone is going to bean someone, Tim Redding is a good candidate to do the throwing. Good chance to win over some Mets fans tonight. Had a good outing his last time out. I’d like to see him make a statement tonight. Go at Rollins or Victorino. Those two are seriously clowns.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
Regarding celebrations. Why is it okay to celebrate in the dugout and not okay to do that on the field? Why is baseball so stuck up about that? Football players take their pants off and swing their penises around after a touchdown and it’s okay. But you point to the sky or do little cheesy handshakes and you are disrespecting the opposition? What kind of rule is that?
So when Gonzo hit that little blooper off Mariano to win the WS, was he disrespecting the Yankees?
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
Hmmm, which football teams are you watching?
Does Dirk Diggler play in the NFL??
There's Always '09
6/11/2009-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
I don’t buy into that rationale. You call another team out for celebrating, yet you do the same thing. Jimmy Rollins shushing the crowd isn’t celebrating? Victorino jumping around like a freakin 8 yr old on his bed isn’t celebrating? In a different way, that is celebrating on the field. Plus, in this day and age with cameras everywhere, that needs to be revised. Celebrating anywhere but the clubhouse may as well be on the field. Cameras everywhere.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
Whether you buy it or not is largely irrelevant, it’s the players that buy it. And yes, the PHillies are hypocrites on that point.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
I answered you on that above.
When Gonzo hit that little blooper, he’d just won the WS, not driven in a run in the 4th inning of a game in May. HUUUUUUGGGGEEEE difference.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, but that’s celebrating on the field isn’t it? So, based on current baseball’s “unwritten rule”, that should be disrespecting opposition no matter what.
Or are the players supposed to pick and choose when and where is okay but some are not? That’s just ridiculous.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2009-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
If you can’t appreciate the difference then we’ll have to just disagree.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
I get your point. Yes, my comparison is stupid. But I also think this “un-written rule” is stupid as well. I mean how do you know when it’s okay to celebrate on the field? Who determines that? Who is Vicky to say that KRod’s celebration was out of pure joy similar to WS win? I don’t understand.
Reyes hits a HR and does the cheesy handshakes on top stairs of the dugout. So, is it okay if Reyes went down one step and did this? Or does he have to be completely in the dugout? So, if he’s in the dugout, is it okay to give the opposition a F-U and moon them?
Say Delgado hits a HR, it’s okay to say.. bow to the opposition thanking them for allowing him to hit a HR and the go into the dugout and give them a big F-U?
I mean this rule is ridiculous. Why can’t they celebrate what they just did? and Why is it okay to do that in the dugout (the opposition can clearly see other team’s dugout) and not on the field?
stickguy
6/11/2009-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
disheartening game. But, sometimes they happen. A win tonight though would be huge.
The Mets have at least proven they can play with (even out play) the Phils, even when shorthanded. I would love to see what happens if they lose Howard and Utley long term at the same time, along with a few spare parts.
Looking at th ebig picture (glass half full?), even though they left a ton on base, it is actualyl a good sign that they are getting so many baserunners. Keep that up, and most games you will score more runs (it’s hard not to).
ANd, going into last nights game, the Mets had the 4th best record in the NL, were leading the WC race, and actually lead the league in BA with RISP.
ANd not sure if they still are, but recently they also had the most SBs and fewest Ks in the league too.
Also, the sacrifice with your 6 hole hitter has to stop. Usually a bad play, and at that point of the game and lineup, a statistical loser. Unless you have zero confidence Tatis can get a hit, but in that case, why is he playing?
Kingman 26
6/11/2009-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
Great post stick.
We are also 1st in the NL in OBP and 2nd in OPS.
And I hate the damn bunt there.
trs86
6/11/2009-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
Agreed, but the 6 spot has been a black hole the entire year. Can’t bunt there though, need to get a better #6.
rustyjr
6/11/2009-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
we can always call up chip ambres lol honestly i woulda rather seen church in the number 6 and tatis in the 7th slot
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2009-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
You can see that Tatis and Sheff have slowed down. They need another OF bat that can play everyday. Sheff needs couple days off and get better.
rustyjr
6/11/2009-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
i wondered why fernando didnt get the start last night – too much pressure on shef in the 4 hole right now imo
mrose
6/11/2009-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
DND -regarding the celebrations, check out my latest post..I touched on it