Jun 13
Mets at Yankees
Yankee Stadium at 4:10pm
Temperature: 74°F
Overcast, 60% chance of showers or thunderstorms
Wind from the east, 5-9mph.
Down the road…
Yankee Stadium; Sunday, 1:05pm – 69°F [Partly Cloudy]
Monday – off day
Sunday’s verification: Forecast gametime temp – 73°F; Actual temp – 77°F
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48 comments
rustyjr
6/13/2009-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
Where’s the cyanide ??
metsfan4decades
6/13/2009-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
Can I get some of that prozac for tonight’s game?
I swear, instead of last year guessing night after night which reliever was going to give away the game coming out of the BP, now we’ll be wondering what bonehead play by what player will be doing just that….
rustyjr
6/13/2009-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
Sad but true – and we were blind when we bought the f.of.’s bull about not getting another power bat – I’m still a die hard but I admit I’m discouraged
khmustache
6/13/2009-11:02am at 11:02 am (UTC -4)
whats the over-under on the popup replays on fox today? i put it at 5…
dirtysanchez
6/13/2009-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
lol with buck in the booth..over
rustyjr
6/13/2009-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
Knowing fox I’d say 10x – they like to do things ad nauseum
metsfan4decades
6/13/2009-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
And I’ll not be tuning into until the minute the game starts hoping to miss most of the ‘blah, blah, blah’ about last night’s disaster…..
metfreak
6/13/2009-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
How many more days until football season
mrose
6/13/2009-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
so, we need a poll on what time people fell asleep
thank god for beer, I managed a decent night sleep
darknova306
6/13/2009-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
I stayed up drinking until about 3am. I had some good dreams, too. This is the benefit of realizing weeks ago that this team is sunk. I’ve been railing against our poor baseball fundamentals all season, and last night was the final nail in the coffin.
metfreak
6/13/2009-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
I laugh now this team is a joke
mrose
6/13/2009-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
darknova, its difficult to just give up..but last year we lost that game on a few base hits..to lose it on a error of that nature amazes me, especially when we could have gained ground on philly
darknova306
6/13/2009-12:32pm at 12:32 pm (UTC -4)
They came into the season chanting that mantra about how every game is important and blah blah blah. Well, if every game is important, how do you keep giving away games so often? The defense has been an atrocity all season, the pitching staff is on the verge of falling apart, and guys on base look like a bunch of clowns. This team doesn’t have it. That should be obvious at this point.
Injuries are no excuse, so don’t feed me that crap.
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
I absolutely agree that injuries are no excuse, but as awful as they’ve played this season they’re a game better than they were after 59 games last season, a half game closer to the Phils and they were in fourth place at this point last season. The last three games have been hard to swallow, but the fact of the matter is we’re still okay.
stickguy
6/13/2009-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
I hope at least Castillo is on the bench today. Although knowing Jerry, he is going to put him right back on the horse.
Luis is lucky that he wasn’t at Citi Field. That might have been louder booing than what 7 run Glavine got!
darknova306
6/13/2009-12:12pm at 12:12 pm (UTC -4)
Jerry doesn’t know what the F he’s doing. Castillo will probably be out there, to a standing ovation from Yankee fans no doubt, because Jerry is a moron. Every day I wake up to see Jerry, Omar, and Castillo employed with the Mets is a bad day….
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-12:56pm at 12:56 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know what his options are though. Start Valdez and Cora up the middle? Luis’ approach at the plate was terrific yesterday. I am not happy with Castillo at all, but we need his professional hitting. He had two seven pitch at-bats last night. He’s doing a good job of working counts. I am livid at him right now, but he is our second baseman, nothing’s changing that in the near future.
darknova306
6/13/2009-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
You remember how the boos last year had an impact on Castillo? Well, it’s gonna be worse from here on out. You know that.
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
It will be, absolutely. BUT, his play has been better this year and if he can fight off a slump he can still contribute. A big walk-off hit in Citi Field would work miracles for his rep.
darknova306
6/13/2009-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, but I’m saying that he’s so impacted by the booing that the likelihood of a big at Citi is exceedingly low. He’s going to start spiraling downward on the next homestand, if the anticipation of the boos doesn’t do him in already.
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
You could be right, but I think the Castillo from this year is different from the Castillo last year. I don’t know that benching him is the best approach. I agree with benching players who don’t hustle, but that wasn’t a hustle play, that was stupidity. Maybe you bench him, but I would hate to see his approach at the plate taken from this team right now.
dentulous
6/13/2009-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
you guys do know what the worst part is right? Its that this will happen again. Maybe not today, but this will happen again. It is ridiculous.
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
This game can stand as a turning point either for bad or good. Either we’re done or everyone wakes up and bands together. We still have a chance which says a lot about this team with all that it has gone through.
mrose
6/13/2009-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
i actually said the same thing to friends last night…
season is over or just starting today… every player on the mets needs to look at that play, that was worse than the marlins play or the cards play
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
I absolutely agree. We made horrible play after horrible play in LA, but now if this team doesn’t wake up it’s not a championship caliber team anyway.
darknova306
6/13/2009-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
Um… people have been saying “this should wake them up” about all sorts of things for years. If they didn’t wake up after Collapse number 1 or number 2, this won’t do anything for them. What a joke.
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-1:11pm at 1:11 pm (UTC -4)
Hold on though, the Delgado and team turnaround last year came after dropping two of three to the Mariners (one that we got beat by 10 or 11 if I remember right). They turned it around. The bullpen collapsed us last year, but with a couple of moves and injury returns I still think we can turn this around. Don’t get me wrong, before last night’s game I was asking if they were done. They may be done. We’ll know after the next 10 or 15 games though. I think we can do this. We’ve hit rock bottom in my opinion.
darknova306
6/13/2009-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, the bullpen killed us last year (along with AVG w/RISP)… but this year’s defense is last year’s bullpen. You don’t win championships with porous defense. It’s not rock bottom until we give up a game with a walkoff catcher’s interference call, or something else ridiculous that’s never been done.
dentulous
6/13/2009-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
I hope they wake up, but i just dont see it happening. If it didnt happen with previous 2 incidents, Church’s blunder, errors every night, it wont happen ever. At least if I think they are done and they manage to win I can be surprised and happy, if they continue to play like donkey’s I could deal with it because I expected no change.
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-12:49pm at 12:49 pm (UTC -4)
Guys, I’m as negative as ever. I don’t like our chances as we stand now, but we must persevere. I am so angry at Luis Castillo, but he’s our second baseman and there’s no way around it. He won’t make that mistake again (of course it’s too late since it cost us a huge win). There needs to be a trade or two. We need to do what we can to sign Sheets for the final stretch run, bring in a power bat and hope that Ollie, Maine, Putz, Wagner, Delgado, and Reyes come back effective and in time for a run.
dentulous
6/13/2009-12:55pm at 12:55 pm (UTC -4)
i want to be positive, but buddy it is over. All the trades in the world cant give you solid Defense and game basics like running bases. Only a third of the season is over and we have a ridiculous amount of errors. Its so pathetic.
You say he wont make that mistake again, but someone else will. Murph did it, Catlos did, and now castillo. Unbelievable.
sabermetrician
6/13/2009-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
I disagree. We’ve made gaffe after gaffe, we’ve lost six key players and we’re only four games back. The next 10 games will tell us what the mettle of this team is.
darknova306
6/13/2009-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
They’ll only be back in time for a run if they return today. 15 games behind by the ASB will be optimistic. You don’t get to the playoffs with a Nationals-esque defense, which is what we’ve had all year (even when healthy).
rustyjr
6/13/2009-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
Do we do a fire the coaches scenario like Phillips did in 99?
dentulous
6/13/2009-12:56pm at 12:56 pm (UTC -4)
I wish. Something has to change
rustyjr
6/13/2009-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
Btw I hate Wayne hagun
gipperpdx
6/13/2009-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
He’s the weak link in the Mets broadcast lineup these days. Though, I am more concerned as to why Luis, Jerry and Omar are still with the team than I am about Wayne.
darknova306
6/13/2009-1:07pm at 1:07 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll second that. Every morning I wake up and see Omar, Jerry and Luis on the team is the start of a bad day.
rustyjr
6/13/2009-1:10pm at 1:10 pm (UTC -4)
LOL gipper Ill be in my happy place starting tomorrow – I’ll be on vacation in new orleans I don’t even know if I’ll follow the team when I
down there I need to decompress cuz these guys are killing me – he last time I went on vacation willie was fired
darknova306
6/13/2009-1:18pm at 1:18 pm (UTC -4)
Awesome, let’s hope your vacation is a perfect time for Jerry and Omar to get the boot. Won’t happen, but it’s the only good dream I have right now.
gipperpdx
6/13/2009-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
Prismo: what’s the forecast as far as chances of Mets making little league errors that make their fan base want to slit their wrists?
rustyjr
6/13/2009-1:11pm at 1:11 pm (UTC -4)
I have the cyanide who has the absinthe ??
smooth
6/13/2009-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
the only thing that could compensate for last night would be a fernando nieve no hitter at yankee stadium. ive given up on this team to the point where wins and losses dont matter to me anymore. unfortunately theres no other sport to watch and im stuck watching baseball, but my expectations for this team have been lowered drastically
metsfan4decades
6/13/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
I did just that very same thing last week. Lowered my expectations. Instead of ‘they’re a good team, they should win the division’, I went to ‘they’re now the underdog and will be lucky if they pull this off’.
smooth
6/13/2009-1:15pm at 1:15 pm (UTC -4)
Oh BTW Castillo leading off today
darknova306
6/13/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
If I had any emotion left, a tear would have just run down my face. I think the Mets just broke me.
stickguy
6/13/2009-1:25pm at 1:25 pm (UTC -4)
there rally is a fine line between crasha nd soar.
Lost in the angst of Castillo, is the fact that the Mets were ahead late, and 1 play away basically from sweeping the phils and taking the game from the Satans (which would have them alone in 1st BTW).
So, you can’t write the team off as having no chance. They are actually more than holding their own so far in the brutal stretch (although the results don’t quite show it).
So, if they could just stop shooting themselves in teh foot, they can stil be in contention at the ASB when hopefully some reinforcements show up.
That, and this year they should certainly be battle tested!
Oh, when the next Phillips massacre comes, can they take Jerry with the coaches?
khmustache
6/13/2009-1:26pm at 1:26 pm (UTC -4)
castillo is going to get a standing ovation when he walks up……. this team kills me……