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Jun 15

The Mets Need to Make This Move…

According to Jon Morosi at Foxsports,

huff-1 ”The Rockies, Mariners, Indians and A’s have played well enough over the past two weeks that their mid-season auctions appear to be on hold. That is not true for the Baltimore Orioles.

The Orioles are running fifth in baseball’s best division, and there is almost no chance that they will rally and make the playoffs.

But here’s the good news: While other teams remain in limbo, the Orioles should have plenty of chances to trade veterans and augment the future core of Brian Roberts, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis and Matt Wieters.

Several teams have already inquired about left-handed hitters Aubrey Huff and Luke Scott, an industry executive said Saturday.

Huff will probably be moved before the July 31 non-waiver deadline, because he’s in the final year of a contract that pays him $8 million this year. (He doesn’t have a no-trade provision, either.) Scott is a less obvious trade candidate, because he’s not scheduled to be a free agent until after the 2012 season.

The Reds, Giants, Tigers and Braves — each of whom would like to add power at one corner position or another — are among the teams that could match up well in trade talks with the Orioles.

Huff, 32, has been Baltimore’s everyday first baseman and also could have appeal to American League teams seeking a designated hitter. With a .755 OPS, Huff is well behind last year’s pace, when he batted .304 with 32 home runs and 108 RBIs.”

  If the Mets aren’t among the teams pursuing Huff I throw my hands up in the air. (Just did it)  Here’s the skinny on Huff.  His numbers don’t make you want to dream up mock lineups but he still nothing to scoff at.  Much more than I can say for the Tatis/Murphy Platoon at 1st.  He also wouldn’t cost nearly as much as Nick “Freak Accident” Johnson. 

Huff – .261/.324/.432, 8 HRs, 41RBIs

Tatis – .259/.338/.379, 2HRs, 13RBIs

Murphy – .238/.324/.354, 4HRs, 19RBIs

  By the way here’s the latest on Delgado according to KFFL,

“Ben Shpigel, of The New York Times, reports New York Mets 1B Carlos Delgado (hip) is on schedule in his rehab from hip surgery. He has mostly been limited to riding an exercise bike and said his therapy will intensify in two or three weeks.”

  Does this news make you confident?  Does it make you want to stay pat with Tatis/Murphy until Delgado gets back, all while hoping he doesn’t take long to find his swing and REMAINS healthy the rest of the year?  FYI – Huff has played in over 150 games the last 2 years.

  Now, what would the O’s want in return?  They currently have the worst pitching staff in the league with a 5.15 era and have recorded an AL worst 20 “Quality Starts”.  Their ace, Jeremy Guthrie has an ERA of 5.52 with a WHIP of 1.45.  Their #2 Pitcher, Rich Hill, has a 5.81 ERA and a whip of 1.63.  Could Dillon Gee be enticing for the O’s?  He has a respectable 4.10 ERA in 9 starts.  How about Brad Holt?  In the FSL , he posted a 4-1 record with a 3.05 ERA in 41 Innings.  He recently made the jump to Binghamton where he made an impressive start going 6.1 Innings and only giving up 2 runs.

Your thoughts?

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96 comments

  1. saltygary

    Ollie for Huff straight up should do it.

    Huff is not that good and has been regressing the last 2 years. Will he be a upgrade? sure. Is he worth giving up any pitching that has value (seeing they don’t have much right now)? I don’t think so.

    1. Kingman 26

      LOL! That is a joke, right?

      1. QnsNative718

        If its for a Gee or Holt plus a midline position player, you do this trade in a heartbeat. Gee AND Holt, obviously not.

    2. There's Always '09

      I wouldn’t do it. Those numbers are very underwhelming, in the words of the schmooze.

    3. DNDJohan aka kistics

      Huff is a decent hitter. He has some pop and hasn’t been regressing the last 2 years.

      Orioles would not take on Ollie’s contract when the whole point of getting rid of Huff is to shed contract.

      1. saltygary

        Ollie was a joke…

        Huff is 32. There are some nice offensive players around him and he is not hitting this year (and it’s a contract year). Getting rid of young players for him will not help this team now and definitely not help the future. Omar needs to stand pat.

        1. DNDJohan aka kistics

          But Huff will be surrounded by Wright, Beltran and Sheff. That combo is much better than what the Orioles have now. Huff should definitely benefit from that.

  2. DNDJohan aka kistics

    What are they looking for? Like Qnz said, they’ll be looking for a young pitching prospect. I think Gee and Holt are Mets top pitching prospects, I don’t know if Omar would give them up. I would give up Gee though. But Holt would be giving up too much for a rental.

  3. QnsNative718

    This mineup is in such a flux that not doing anything about it would be a crime. As I also stated, theres no guarantee Delgado comes back and contributes.

    1. There's Always '09

      The problem is they need a difference maker. Not sure Huff is a major difference maker.

      1. QnsNative718

        I wouldnt say he’s a difference maker, but he would bring stability. Plus he’s a good club house presence and he does a great impersonation of Joba Chamberlain.

        1. There's Always '09

          You had me at hello!

          Bruney said: “I don’t know if anyone else saw this one game I was watching, but it was the Savannah Sand Gnats and Luis Castillo was playing in a rehab game. The game was on really late because it was an exhibition in Japan. Anyway, there was a pop up hit to him and he dropped it. How does this guy have a gold glove? He can’t even catch a pop up. ESPN, I need a job. I can’t stay healthy, but will say what’s on my mind and bash someone on a New York team.”

  4. dirtysanchez

    I have no idea what it would take to get huff but your right in that it would need to be in the form of pitching help. Huff would be a welcomed upgrade to what we have right now. When/If gado comes back, huff can just play the OF.

    1. QnsNative718

      Right. He played over 30 in the OF a couple seasons back.

      1. DNDJohan aka kistics

        I think he was mostly OF and some 3B in his Tampa Bay years

  5. darknova306

    How would this move help us overcome the contant errors and mental mistakes that routinely cost us games? How would this help stop running ourselves out of innings? Our rotation is one MRI away from total disaster. How does trading away pitching help?

    1. QnsNative718

      You make very good points, however Dillon or Gee dont help us this year IMO, Huff can surely balance this lineup. I understand what they bring to the future, but Im not trying to waive the white flag again this season.

      1. There's Always '09

        In my opinion, Huff would be a major disappointment. Dunn would be perfect.

        1. dirtysanchez

          Dunn isnt happening and why would huff be a disappointment?

          1. There's Always '09

            As a Mets fan, I’ve been doing enough “huff-ing and puffing”. Maybe a little more puffing ;-)

        2. QnsNative718

          Dunn would cost way too much. The gNats FO is a complete joke and wouldnt settle for anything less than it being a one sided deal. The Mets are desperate, IMO.

          1. DNDJohan aka kistics

            How about we give Schneider and Church for Dunn. It’d be like Nats got LMillz for free.

          2. There's Always '09

            You were more like UpNCleanJohan yesterday. What’s up with that? Is it the blister?

          3. DNDJohan aka kistics

            Yankees Suck!

  6. CaseStreet

    I want Manny! j/k If anything, it’ll be Johnson, but not till the deadline.

    1. DNDJohan aka kistics

      Randy?

      1. DNDJohan aka kistics

        I would take Josh…

    2. QnsNative718

      The gNats would wants an arm (not Ollie’s arm) and a leg for NJ. Their FO is a joke and they would want to send a msg to their fan base(fan base. ha)that they want to put a winning team out there. Considering how the Mets are somewhat desperate, the gNats could come up w. any ridiculous proposal because they have the leverage.

      1. CaseStreet

        thought I read Johnson wouldn’t cost much. Might have been some real dirty scuttle butt.

        1. GravediggerHebner

          That may have been in my “Heyman in the Morning” post in which I quoted Jon Heyman as saying all it would take was “one or two AA prospects.” So if you believe Heyman, you’re right.

  7. charlies

    No, you don’t trade a top pitching prospect (Holt) for an aging (non)slugger. Gee, maybe…

    1. QnsNative718

      Fair enough, but Huff(32) aint exactly filling out a new AARP card yet.

    2. dirtysanchez

      holt is our top pitching prospect?

      1. QnsNative718

        According to the following it’s still Niese.

        http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/12/21/698806/new-york-mets-top-20-prosp

        1. dirtysanchez

          yea i thought it was niese

          1. There's Always '09

            IF it’s Niese, then maybe we should just ride this out and hope for the top draft pick. Though, with our luck, the player will not be 5% of the player that Strasburg is projected to be.

          2. dirtysanchez

            depends what our needs and FA are next year bud…from what i see we have alot of holes to fill next year.

          3. QnsNative718

            Yup..Got alot of Dough comming off the books.

          4. There's Always '09

            Lots of dough and probably not much to spend it on besides re-signing guys. Unless you want to sign Aubrey Huff as a FA.

          5. QnsNative718

            Any possibilty they excercise Delgado’s potion?

          6. There's Always '09

            Hopefully they excercise everyone’s potion and it has some HGH in it.

          7. QnsNative718

            How much did he sign for again? $19M? To think he wanted $50M. Gotta hand it to the gNats for not giving in. Kind of surprised, really.

        2. DNDJohan aka kistics

          Isn’t Holt a high draft pick? I don’t know if Niese will be good in majors.

          1. There's Always '09

            I think Niese can be like Barry Zito (current day).

          2. Joe R

            lol

          3. There's Always '09

            I’d take 3-6 out of our #8 starter any day of the week.

          4. QnsNative718

            Per The Daily News,

            “The Mets used the 33rd pick in last June’s draft, a compensatory sandwich pick between the first and second rounds for losing free agent Tom Glavine to the Braves, to select the 6-4, 194-pound Holt out of UNC-Wilmington.”

      2. charlies

        a said “a” top pitching prospect. and, we’ve all seen niese…i hope he isn’t the best in the organization.

  8. Joe R

    I wouldnt be opposed to a move for Huff but what stinks is, while looking at his numbers from year to year, you dont know if you are getting 30 HR or 15….100rbi’s or 70. And our luck would be which numbers….lol

    1. QnsNative718

      Yea, I noticed that too. It would def. be a risk. Got to take into account with the teams he’s played with, he didnt have much protection.

      1. Joe R

        Thats true…I would rather get a true power bat for the outfield. I have faith in Delgado. What it will take and is it possible IDK.

  9. Joe R

    Is it true we have 1 HR and 8 Rbi’s at 1B since Delgado got injured!! Jeez…

  10. Joe R

    Well…this is the strecth imo that will decide the season for the most part or at least let us know if we have a realistic shot for the playoffs. We are basically playing all tough winning teams going forward this month. Yes Baltimore has a bad record but they are about 2 games over .500 at home…Where are we playing them?? At Camden of course…Tampa is 1 game under but playing great ball the last couple of weeks. The rest are against very good teams where ever you play them. Here we go…lets pray for the best.

    1. QnsNative718

      Baltimore is the best “worst” team in the Bigs… Markakis, Jones and Wieters are a great group of guys to make a team around. Too bad their SP is horrible.

  11. saltygary

    This was on ESPN’s Buster Olney chat today. I couldn’t agree with him more. Take our lumps and get younger:

    Harry (Babylon, NY)

    Buster,Starting pitcher or corner outfielder or both – which way does Omar Minaya go?

    Buster Olney

    Harry: I’ll be honest with you — if I were Omar, I’d do nothing, because the team has so many holes (due to injury and ineffectiveness from the likes of Oliver Perez) that I almost think that trading for a veteran like Brad Penny might be a waste of assets. Better to just ride it out, until they get through this rough stretch of games, and if they play close to .500 between now and the All-Star break, then they’ll be in contention, and if they don’t, well, then you keep your prospects. At some point, the Mets have to really lock it down and focus on player development, and part of how they need to do that is to keep their prospects.

    1. CaseStreet

      wow, something’s gotta be wrong when I agree w/ Busta Rhymes

    2. QnsNative718

      In theory, I can understand but this franchise cant take another failed season without atleast giving it a shot, because if they play .500 with what they have and dont make the playoffs, Omar will get alot of gripe over that, because it’s very likely that one big trade would’ve gotten us over that hump.

      1. QnsNative718

        Wow that is one looooong sentence.

      2. saltygary

        What would be worse (there’s probably no correct answer here) Omar sending a bunch of young guys off for rentals to salvage this season and not making the playoffs or standing pat and looking at the long term and not making the playoffs.

        We all want something to be done but this team is decimated and one trade is like trying to piss out the flames. Since the end of last season I have been all in favor of making a dramatic change because I don’t feel this team has the makeup to get it done (They’ve had 4 years to pull it off). At this point I don’t want anything done. Get that Delgado, and Wagner contract off and there 20mil just from that to work with (and I’m sure there some other money coming off the books). FMART is one year older, we’ll have a better idea if Murphy can possible pan out. Right now there is too much payroll, not enough quality on the field, and the team is getting older. Huff or anyone like him aint gonna help.

        1. stickguy

          pretty much what he said.

          But, to beat my dead horse some more, if they can get guys like Huff for just atkin gon salary, then it is worth a shot.

          No way they can make a big enough deal to carry them over the hump without Delgado and Reyes coming back at some point not too late.

        2. DNDJohan aka kistics

          So you don’t think the Mets will get to the playoffs this season with 3.5 months left and only 4 games out in division and 1.5 games out in WC.

          Mets have played some bad baseball this season. But they hung on. They stayed and went toe to toe with the Phillies, Yanks, and RedSox. AND THAT’S WITHOUT REYES AND DELGADO! C’mon dude. You can’t give up this early.

          1. QnsNative718

            Just wait til the dog days of summer…

          2. DNDJohan aka kistics

            I am seriously doubting that we will get a summer this year. We will, however, get Water World!!

          3. saltygary

            Never once in that statement did I say I’m giving up on this season. I just don’t want Omar to sell the farm to help patch a couple leaks. They holding on so let them keep going.

            If I wanted to give up I would’ve been out of here around 1993!

          4. QnsNative718

            Theyre not “holding on”. If they were holding on, they would be playing .500 ball. Theyre 4-8 in June. This is what to expect from now on in without a move.

          5. QnsNative718

            And Im thinking with a rational head.

          6. DNDJohan aka kistics

            Agreed. And also the fact you are okay with the .500 baseball till Delgado comes back is giving up. Do you think Philies, Cards, Brewers, and Giants are going to play .500 baseball till Delgado comes back?? They will win while the Mets are falling behind.

            Buster Olney is pretty much doubting that the Mets are going to win this season. And you are agreeing with him.

            I don’t know about you, but I’m not accepting a .500 baseball team at this point of the season.

          7. saltygary

            OK, so trade our low graded farm hands for some rentals and bring on a lot more salary. It’s not our money, lets bring on as much salary as possible. Where will it get us? 3 more wins then we have now? Adding 3 more wins to a team would be a big deal, but it won’t help this team. Depleting our farm will crush the team long term and we can’t trade our starters with value if they want to trade to win. Im just trying to be realistic about the whole thing. So if you think I’m giving up that’s fine with me, who cares. I just want this team to succeed both long term and short term.

          8. DNDJohan aka kistics

            How many games did we miss the playoffs by last 2 years? Who knows that 3 more wins will get us into the playoffs? The advantage that NY has over any other smaller market team is the fact we can take on more salary than they do. You don’t think Omar/Wilpons will take on 5-6 mil more if that means getting us into the playoffs? Getting into the playoffs will generate more Revenue for the Mets too.

            How is getting Huff or Dunn depleting our farm system? We’ll still have FMart, Niese, probably Holt, Thole and many more. I just don’t want to sit on our hands and wish that we can play .500 baseball and hope that we might or might not be in the race.

          9. QnsNative718

            It’s Aubrey Huff we’re talking about here. Let’s not make him out to be some aging Super All-Star.

          10. QnsNative718

            In other words, he wont cost us the whole farm.

          11. QnsNative718

            And assume Delgado and Reyes will come back and contribute without any set backs.

          12. DNDJohan aka kistics

            I agree on Huff. What Os want is money off their table (which the Mets can do) and a young pitching prospect. It’s Omar’s job to get it through. I’m sure Os GM is not stupid and knows we are desperate. But throw some rumors would there. Use the same tactic that was used with KRod’s signing.

            Huff sandwiched between Beltran and Wright will be very productive.

      3. GravediggerHebner

        That logic got us Victor Zambrano.

    3. Joe R

      We need a big bat. We have needed it for the last 3 years…and we will need it for the next 3 years!

      We are 2nd in all of baseball in batting average! Imagine if we had a big booper sprinkled in the lineup to bring some of these baserunners home!!!

      1. stickguy

        they need it just as much for next year, so if they trade any worthwhile players/prospects, it better be for someone that fills a 2010+ hole too.

        Now, if they can take on salary for C level non-prospects, then by all means, make a run at it.

    4. stickguy

      I agree with Buster too. I think I will stop in for an MRI on my brain..

    5. charlies

      TRANSLATION: The Mets are going no where, so don’t waste prospects for trades that won’t help anyway.

      1. QnsNative718

        So just as I predicted… We’ll be out of it come the ASB. Hmmm, I wonder what the (NY) Giants are doing these days?

        1. saltygary

          BIG BLUE WRECKING CREW!!!

          1. QnsNative718

            All day, every day. Heard about Plax “wanting” to sign with the Jets? lol. Never liked the mofo.

          2. charlies

            I heard some writer said Eli was going to have an MVP season.

    6. DNDJohan aka kistics

      This is what I interpreted. Play .500 baseball while Phillies, Cards, Giants, and Brewers are playing above .500. Hence further our chances of making playoffs. And when Delgado comes back and Mets are out of it, too bad. At least you kept your young prospects.

      So…. basically give up and play dead? That’s a cop out.

      Nobody is saying that the Mets should give their farm away for a plug in. If it’s a plug in/rental (i.e. Huff, Johnson) whom Omar finds, only give up b-level prospects. If Omar wants to find a difference maker (which would be much harder to do), why not give up some of your top prospects and get a proven big time player that can stay with the team for awhile.

      It almost seems like that a lot of people are doubting that the Mets will make the playoffs. Well. I don’t.

  12. metsinnats

    I’m one of the few fans who isn’t all the worried about our starting pitching. Yes, more quality SPs would be great, but our pitchers are solid while our lineup is below average.

    Starting the year, we were looking at two below replacement hitters (Murphy, Schneider), and two replacement level hitters (Castillo, Church) in the day to day lineup.

    Thankfully, Omir is a replacement level upgrade sub, but the injuries meant that we’ve added a below replacement at SS (when accounting for the non-Cora time), and essentially FMart/Church replacing Delgado (with Murph/Tatis moving in from the OF and adding Sheff to the mix), means another below replacement guy.

    We’re talking less than average at 1b, C, and one OF spot, with average production from SS, 2B and another OF spot. To say we need another solid, average to slightly above bat is clear!

    Huff is no superstar, but replacing one of Murph/Tatis/Fmart/Reed is a net positive for this team as currently constructed. Being in the DC area, I’ve seen a bit of Huff (and Luke Scott) this year on the tube and overall like what I see. I think a Dillion Gee is fair enough recompense.

    And no way will or should we go after Adam Dunn. Should’ve gotten him this off season; once you’ve made that mis-step, going back to correct it just intensifies the focus on your prior error.

    1. QnsNative718

      Agreed about Dunn. Had our chance in the offeason.

    2. DNDJohan aka kistics

      Agreed on big bat and Huff. But I disagree on Dunn. If you make a mistake, you need to fix it. Not fixing it just because you don’t want to face the fact you made a mistake is another mistake (did that make any sense??).

      Regardless, Dunn or Huff, we need a big bat. Dunn or Huff sandwitched between Beltran and Wright and Sheff should have a big offensive year. And imagine when Delgado comes back? Sheff/Church will bat 7th!!

      1. metsinnats

        I agree that you shouldn’t compound a mistake by not addressing a mistake.. but we’re talking about a frail psyche here. Mets/Minaya would get ripped for giving up prospects for Dunn now. We don’t need that. And if we get a Huff or similar, that is addressing the mistake.

        Besides, Dunn has more money and years than Huff, so it should cost more in terms of prospects.

        Huff is enuff till we get back Reyes/Delgado. And if we don’t get back Reyes and Delgado for this year, well all is lost anyhow, even with Dunn or whomever.

    3. saltygary

      Was completely on the Dunn train while most people were begging for Mannywood. Going after Dunn now will cost the team probably more then what they could of gotten him for plus players.

      I think the error that cost the Mets getting done was investing in Madoff.

  13. stickguy

    no waqy, no how do you give up Holt for this guy. In today’s baseball economy, it would be insane.

    ANtonini? Gee? Those are more realistic.

    1. There's Always '09

      Maybe we can get Ollie a new passport and pass him off as a 21-yr old prospect?

  14. gipperpdx

    Meh….Huff is a stopgap in a lost season. I’d rather retain the chips for the offseason so we can retool for 2010.

    1. There's Always '09

      I agree with everything but lost season. Still in 2nd place and still only 1.5 games out of the wild card. The Rockies are on an 11-game winning streak right now. Think we can’t do that? Come on.

  15. DNDJohan aka kistics

    I don’t understand this loser mentality. Mets are only 4 games out in the division and 1.5 games out in WC. And that’s without Reyes and Delgado!! There are 3.5 months to go in this season. Plenty of time!! Remember boys, Mets were up 7 games with 17 to go. There’s still alot of chances for the Mets. This is not a lost season!! We need to grab every thing and anything to WIN!!

    I’m not suggesting that Omar trade the whole farm system to get a stopgap. But just because you want to keep ‘unproven’ young prospects, you can’t give up this season. What the heck is wrong with you people!

    Don’t forget that this economy is working in favor of the Mets. Os and Nats are looking to shed their contracts. So, Omar does have some leverage to get these trades done. If Omar can pull off Johan trade, he can definitely pull off Huff or Dunn or whomever.

  16. trs86

    Ok I missed this one but why would Huff be cheaper than Mr. Injury Nick Johnson. For that fact alone, Johnson will be cheaper. They both are FA at the end of the year playing for dead teams.

    1. DNDJohan aka kistics

      Johnson will be cheaper. There’s no doubt about it. But while Huff and Dunn would still be playing when Delgado comes back, Johnson will be on the bench.

      1. QnsNative718

        I feel Washington would want alot more than Baltimore would want for Huff. We’re a division rival and the Nats would want to show theyre not as dumb as theyre made out to be and make The Mets overspend. But thats just me.

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