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So many options… What do you guys think?
6/18/2009-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
My wild guesses: I believe regardless of how 2009 plays out that the Mets will steer clear of Type A to hold onto their draft pick as well as save money. If that actually occurs, then of the Type B or “nothing” crowd I am going to further guess this:
Rod Barajas – a 1 or 2 year contract while waiting on Thole.
Vladimir Guerrero – a few years too late, but will need some thump because Daniel Murphy is going to be the 1st baseman.
Justin Duchscherer – Because he’s oft injured he’ll come cheap, but when healthy he’s very good and will help the back end of the rotation.
Fernando Rodney – Wild flame throwers always welcome.
Eddie Guardado – like Guerrero a few years too late but a serviceable lefty for the pen.
These are not my wishes, these are what I think are some realistic signings under this team’s current regime. I’m not in any way implying that “they’re cheap” or that “they don’t sign big free agents” because I don’t believe either of those things. I just don’t see the team “going big” this offseason despite the noteworthy salaries coming off the books due to the big contracts of Beltran and Santana still on the books, and the increasing salaries of the younger players who will still be around, and the economy.
6/18/2009-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
Lots of $ coming off the books this year. If Delgado tears it up in the last 2 months of the season and we get to the World Series, he will be back on a 1-2 yr deal. At this point, it’s pretty evident that Murphy isn’t a long term solution at 1B and there is really no other option, unless you fell in love with Huff’s home run last night.
We gonna play today? Where’s the forecast?
6/18/2009-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
And I don’t know about Baltimore but I’m ready to build the Ark here down on the Jersey Shore. Seeing the sun for 2 days in a row is about as elusive as our Metsies going on more than a 2 game win streak lately…..
6/18/2009-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
The forecast is scheduled to be posted around 1:15pm.
Delgado fits fine as he will be Type B based on this list. If he tears it up, I agree with you, although I’m not excited about his age/health at this point and I really am not excited about going through this again for the next year or two. I liked Huff’s home run but he’s Type A and I just don’t see it. I also liked Murphy rediscovering the opposite field.
6/18/2009-1:11pm at 1:11 pm (UTC -4)
No way they bring Delgado back, with his injury history at this point.
Victor Martinez is our first baseman of the future. I think they will sign one type A.
Or we may trade for him, as the Tribe is going nowhere really fast.
6/18/2009-1:34pm at 1:34 pm (UTC -4)
Wow, Grave with a depressing take. When did we become the Royals?
6/18/2009-2:25pm at 2:25 pm (UTC -4)
We didn’t but a team can’t sign Type A free agents every year and stay afloat, eventually it brings down even the big spenders. A year off shouldn’t hurt. This team needs a farm system too. I would like the team less if every year it simply scooped up Type A FAs to solve it’s problems. That’s the Yankee way and I despise their fans sense of entitlement, and hope to never have it myself. If the economy were different and the team were going to finish 2009 with 81 consecutive home sellouts as I think it would have if they’d built this stadium say 10 years ago, I’d feel differently about their FA course of action. Bad timing.
6/18/2009-3:06pm at 3:06 pm (UTC -4)
I agree, overall, but the “window” to win with this bunch (DWright, Reyes, Johan, Frankie, Tron) plus supporting staff is closing and we NEED a bopper. It all depends on how this year ends. if they miss the playoffs again, I can’t see the Wilpons not trying to make a splash. The novelty of Citi will have worn offm and the economy is likely to still be in the crapper (if you believe the predictions of a double-dip recession and inflationary pressures rising)….so they need some way to fill the seats after three years of disappointment.
6/18/2009-3:25pm at 3:25 pm (UTC -4)
All fair points, supported by the idea that “what does Omar care about the farm system if he won’t be around to see it bear fruit anyway if the team doesn’t win soon.”
Assuming your scenario plays out which of those Type As do you want? I don’t see any one of them as an obvious solution, but if pressed I would probably go for whichever one consistently hits the ball the furthest as that kind of “uber” power will be necessary to make a difference at Citi. I don’t know who that is, would have to do some research.
6/18/2009-1:47pm at 1:47 pm (UTC -4)
king, make sure to send my regards to Raul when you visit him @ the old folks home
6/18/2009-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
Yea I def. see Vlad being the “big” aquisition of 2010. It’ll look simiar to Alou in 2007 – Aging, oft injured slugger.
6/18/2009-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
FYI – Guerrero has only played in 29 games and was a pinch hitter for the last 3. Not good.
6/18/2009-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I’m not excited about it like I was a few years back when he was a FA. It just seems like a Minaya/Mets move. It could work out great, but I’m not holding my breath.
6/18/2009-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
I see what you are saying, but I think at this point, Vlad is a DH only.
6/18/2009-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
You know what, maybe Omar does NOT make this move because of the experience with Alou.
6/18/2009-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
I would consider that a prayer answered.
6/18/2009-1:13pm at 1:13 pm (UTC -4)
Totally agree Qns…no way they are re-signing Delgado or signing Vlad. No chance.
What do i think…we need to find a 1b man fast. I would love to give it to murph but the mets dont seem to confident in doing so. We can bank ok satnana/pelf/maine coming back and we have a good opp for some pitching help. We need a catcher and we need power that most likely will come from the outfield. Some good names out there that can help us with that. I expect fmart to play fulltime next year.
I agree. If we are going to go with Murphy at 1B, we need a big bat in OF. No way we can expect to beat the Phillies with Beltran and Wright as our only power bat.
I see Omar going for either Bay or Holliday.
How is Wagner a type-A???
6/18/2009-12:49pm at 12:49 pm (UTC -4)
lmaoo i have no idea..but lets offer him arb ;p
i see him going for holliday as im sure bay will stay in boston
6/18/2009-1:15pm at 1:15 pm (UTC -4)
No.. Omar can’t offer him arb. He’ll take it!
I dont want to think about next year!! lol
This year is so there for us…ugh…cmon Reyes get back and help us. We are battling and still there…fighting..
Tonight is a big game. We win and even if Phiily wins we still leave another series either even or in this case picked up a game. So frustrating and Im trying to not look at the past, but we win that Yankee game and 1 of the very winnable Philly games and we have even more breathing room. Maybe a weeks worth of breathing room. We just cant fall into any pronounced losing streak and hope Philly doesnt go on any big win streak until we get healthy and maybe get a bat. Its tough because we are hovering around this 3,4,5 games behind the Phils not knowing which way we are headed!! Hopefully it stays at 3 after tonight.
6/18/2009-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
I agree tonight is big….we cannot lose a series to the only bad team in this 5 week stretch. A loss tonight means we are 3–6 in the first 3 of the 10 series hell stretch. With the Rays, Cards and Yanks next….
I am thinking–and hoping–that Livan can fool these hitters and do the job tonight.
6/18/2009-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
Great work Chest!
May we please have Victor Martinez and Jason Bay?
6/18/2009-1:16pm at 1:16 pm (UTC -4)
I think Indians will pickup his option.
6/18/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
Really? With what a total failure they have been after the hope of 2007, don’t you think they may shed salary and go with youth?
Victor and Lee would bring a lot of prospects.
6/18/2009-1:28pm at 1:28 pm (UTC -4)
At minimum, they do what Omar should have done with Delgado.
Pick up the option, and trade him.
6/18/2009-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
I agree, but their option is very reasonable.
Lee — $8 Mil (1 Mil buyout)
VMart — $7 Mil (0.25 Mil buyout)
They’ll get much more on FA market.
6/18/2009-1:40pm at 1:40 pm (UTC -4)
Would love VMart but would settle for Molina. Though VMart @ 1B and Bengie behind the plate is intriguing. Ramon Hernandez would be the fall back option.
Nick Johnson seems to be a must @ 1B.
Unless we trade Church or keep FMart @ AAA for another year, I don’t see anyghing happening in the OF.
I’d like Crawford but still think Tampa will pick up his option.
SPing: maybe Bedard but I guess that depends on Ollie, Niese and Livan.
6/18/2009-1:48pm at 1:48 pm (UTC -4)
Good point. I think Bengie for 1st round pick would be too much, though he’s the best catcher out there. I like Ramon Hernandez idea. He’s owed 8.5 Mil next year, but I doubt Reds will pick up his option. So, he would be a good signing. I also like Nick Johnson @ 1B too, but then it would be 1 year contract since he cannot stay healthy.
Is Church eligible for FA this offseason?
6/18/2009-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
Church has one more year of Arbitration and then he’s a FA.
6/18/2009-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
hmmm… that can be a problem in signing OF. But then if Church doesn’t perform well, he’ll have to sit on the bench. If he performs well, that’s even better for us.
6/18/2009-2:03pm at 2:03 pm (UTC -4)
I could go with Ramon or Bengie for a 1 year stop gap, and hopefully Thole developed enough to split time with him. If not, he finishes getting ready in AAA while someone lie Santos backs up.
I also think they will try to mix in a rookie SP next year (it’s time). I am crossing my fingers for Holt to get a look.
Crawford would work fine. Just keep the whining about HR numbers to a minimum, OK?
And I wouldn’t be surprised to see CHurch moved. If F Mart is going to get the regular job (and I expect he will), then they will look to upgrade to a better player for LF (FA or trade).
and I’ll pass on NJ. What are the odds he stays healthy 2 years running? And he might be an upgrade over today’s Murphy, but he still isn’t having that good of a year.
1B will be Murph, some one else from the system (a dark horse), or another big bat outsider.
6/18/2009-2:28pm at 2:28 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think Mets can sign Ramon or Bengie for 1 year contract. They are 2 good catchers in FA Market. There will be other teams looking to give them 2-3 year contracts. So, Mets need to think about that.
Church is an interesting case. I don’t think he’ll make all that much money, but he can be a solid OF for a small market team. So, there is a possibility that he can be moved to clear a room for FMart and a big bat FA. I think.
6/18/2009-1:49pm at 1:49 pm (UTC -4)
Totally agreed on Molina…was writing too fast there.
And Crawford would be awesome in the number 2 hole.
And Grandpa is out for a couple of weeks—-pulled a groin rushing to an Early Bird Special….but ESPN won’t tell you that….
6/18/2009-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
kingman, ur right up there w/ Jon Heyman
6/18/2009-1:55pm at 1:55 pm (UTC -4)
LOL Early Bird Special!
6/18/2009-2:08pm at 2:08 pm (UTC -4)
what the heck, since this thread is here, might as well start posting 2010 lineups! Even though I agree that it’s too early.
C: Ramon or Bengie + THole or Santos
1B: Big bat – outsider or Delgado (offer him Arb?)
2B: Someone new, maybe R. Tejada (I won’t give up!
SS: Jose, regardless of yesterdays trade to boston
LF: New outside bat – don’t know who
CF: Duh, part II
RF: F Mart.
Basically, and this will certainly fluctuate by rest of year performances (and team success, even GM a the time!), but I think they will look to go big with 1B and LF (adding the power bats). C will be an offense upgrade s/t. F Mart era begins, and not sure what happens with Murph.
Oh, and I will not stop wishing for Castillo to be removed from the team before next eyar!
6/18/2009-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
no love for Slappy? He’s been solid all year.
6/18/2009-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
Yes. I doubt Mets can trade Castillo or eat his contract.
6/18/2009-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
How about Church?
6/18/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Looks like Tejada won’t be added to the 40 man until after 2010.
Per Adam Rubin:
since Tejada doesnâ€™t need to be protected in the Rule 5 draft until after the 2010 season, and it wouldn’t be prudent to tie up a 40-man roster spot for a season and a half for a short call-up
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/06/farm-report-tejadas-second-com.html#comments#ixzz0Io8TxVTs&C
6/18/2009-2:32pm at 2:32 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, after the Jesus Flores fiasco (Omar is on record as saying it’s his biggest regret as Met GM) they will protect these guys from being lost to rule 5 as long as possible.
6/18/2009-2:41pm at 2:41 pm (UTC -4)
Flores, never having played above A-ball, was obtained by the Washington Nationals in the 2006 Rule 5 draft on December 7, 2006, and signed to an eight year contract on the following January 8. As a Rule 5 player he must be on the major league roster the following year. The Mets apparently left him unprotected because they didn’t think another major league team would think he was ready — but the Nationals were in a major rebuilding phase and didn’t have a deep roster.
6/18/2009-2:40pm at 2:40 pm (UTC -4)
Saw that, but it was in regards to calling him up for a DL fill in stint.
Of course this is all idle speculation (AKA wishful thinking!)
But, I am leaning toward there being a more wholesale change of players tis year.
Church may go to make room for F Mart and a new guy in the OF.
Slappy has been adequate, but still a weak link, and no way he gets better in the future. If someone will take him, bye bye.
Who knows, isn’t Hudson a FA again? And the idea was to move castillo, and get a replacement. Tejada would be a dark horse if he continues to play well this year and winter, and has a big spring. Kid has the glove.
Besides, not having Slappy Mcgroundout and Schnieder on the team next year will make me happy, and really, that’s what it is all about!
6/18/2009-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
ha, I hope Castillo and Schneider make you eat your words
6/18/2009-2:47pm at 2:47 pm (UTC -4)
Per ESPN, Guys Most Likely to Get Traded Before ASB –
Diamondbacks: Doug Davis, LHP
You can forget Brandon Webb. Trading him right now would make no sense. You can forget Dan Haren. Ditto. If this team deals anybody, it will be with an eye toward winning next year. So while Jon Rauch is eminently available, and we’ve heard speculation about Jon Garland, the Diamondbacks are much more likely to move their prospective free agents (Davis, Chad Tracy, Scott Schoeneweis) than anyone they can control beyond this year.
Davis seems most likely to exit, said one exec, “because he’s left-handed and breathing, and that means a lot.” But he’s also a guy who “has to be in the right ballpark, and he has to stay in the National League,” said an official of another club. “He’s a guy who could help a team like the Mets, for instance, because he wouldn’t cost a ridiculous amount in talent and they could take the money.”
6/18/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
â€œbecause heâ€™s left-handed and breathing, and that means a lot.â€
we already have one…. down in FL.
6/18/2009-2:56pm at 2:56 pm (UTC -4)
lol yea but unlike Dizzy this guy seems consistent. Check out his stats…
6/18/2009-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
*Before Trade DeadLine not ASB
6/18/2009-2:58pm at 2:58 pm (UTC -4)
can someone learn to throw LH? I know you can learn to bat LH, like Delgado and Schneider.
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