It all comes down to this…the final day for the All-Star Game Final Vote. Okay, so it’s pretty anticlimactic for Mets fans, since none of our players are in it. Last year David Wright was among the nominees, but Corey Hart of the Brewers beat him out for the spot. Of course, Wright was eventually selected to play in the game as a replacement.
Shane Victorino likely holds the same fate if he doesn’t win this year’s Final Vote, as our very own Carlos Beltran will be unable to attend the game. But we can still achieve a moral victory by voting against obnoxious Shane!
Fixed.
Matt Kemp, Mark Reynolds, and Pablo Sandoval all deserve the nod ahead of Shane! Vote away!
As of yesterday, Pablo Sandoval was ahead of Shane by 2% for the lead. He might be the best player to vote for.
55 comments
CaseStreet
7/9/2009-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
My vote’s for Matt Kemp!
QnsNative718
7/9/2009-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
Mine’s for the Panda. F Victorino.
mrose
7/9/2009-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
isn’t Sandoval the early leader as of yesterday? If you are gonna vote for someone other than Victorino, go for him
dirtysanchez
7/9/2009-9:18am at 9:18 am (UTC -4)
my vote is for matt kemp with kung fu panda right behind him
jaded1983
7/9/2009-9:26am at 9:26 am (UTC -4)
kung fu panda all the way!
QnsNative718
7/9/2009-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
Also because he has a cool name…
mrose
7/9/2009-9:28am at 9:28 am (UTC -4)
i think its silly to not vote for sandoval if we really want victorino out..but whatever
check this out, glitch in the voting..
http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-phillies&tid=79743
prismo
7/9/2009-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
Shocker – Philthies fans are cheating the system.
prismo
7/9/2009-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
The thread’s been deleted.
mrose
7/9/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
hah, its a glitch in chrome…i’ve been using ti to vote against Victorino
QnsNative718
7/9/2009-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
If we reeeeally wanted to stick it to Vicky then we should all vote for the same guy i.e. Sandoval or Kemp.
There's Always '09
7/9/2009-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
I’d vote for Victorino and hope he gets plunked by any flamethrowing AL pitcher. Hope he gets hit in the foot and breaks his pinky toe.
CaseStreet
7/9/2009-9:39am at 9:39 am (UTC -4)
now way, he’d likely be on deck w/ D-Wright running home and he’d roll the bat in D-Wright’s way therefore completing the Core DL team
QnsNative718
7/9/2009-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
Our luck, he’s make the game winning hit which would boost his confidence so much it’ll fly out of his little league helmet. Btw, has Hudson always worn that silly style helmet?
QnsNative718
7/9/2009-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
*he’d
There's Always '09
7/9/2009-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
Vic will probably get in regardless though. Beltran’s replacement on the roster?
trs86
7/9/2009-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
I am voting for Reynolds, that way Wright won’t play as much.
wannybackstra
7/9/2009-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Kung Fu would probably also play 3B.
sabermetrician
7/9/2009-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
The thing that stinks about this. Victorino is not all-star calibre. The only reason he’s on that vote is because they keep extending the freaking rosters.
prismo
7/9/2009-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Seriously! The rosters are way too large. The constant interchanging of players takes away from the game.
wannybackstra
7/9/2009-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
Most of these guys are not All-Star caliber. But Sandoval, Reynolds and Kemp are more deserving than Victorino.
Christian Guzman is a scrub.
wannybackstra
7/9/2009-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
Dave Cameron of USS Mariner, using some kind of formula, speculates that Roy Halladay is worth $35m/year and that his trade value would be something like F-Mart, Flores and Mejia.
In my opinion, that doesn’t even come close for Halladay because 2 of three prospects are 3-4 years away and the one who is close doesn’t have a place to play in Toronto.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-29/What-is-Roy-Halladay-worth-.html
prismo
7/9/2009-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
Hah, Toronto would laugh at that offer.
CaseStreet
7/9/2009-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
Dave Cameron does a really great job on his site. Whenever I heard how great Mattsblog was, I laughed when there’s site’s like the USS Mariner around.
I’d do that trade. It will hurt in a few years, but hey, you gotta give to get. Plus, we could always recoup in draft picks.
CaseStreet
7/9/2009-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
plus, we’d still have holt and niese.
trs86
7/9/2009-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
That trade is a no brainer for us and a no brain for them.
trs86
7/9/2009-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
For us to actually get him it would most likely cost us Pelfrey or Reyes.
CaseStreet
7/9/2009-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
maybe it’ll fall into Omar’s lap, like fong likes to say.
There's Always '09
7/9/2009-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
Not sure if Pelf gets it done. I think it’s Reyes or bust. Either way, I would look for Philly to grab him. Just a hunch.
trs86
7/9/2009-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
No a package of Pelfrey, Fmart/Flores, Niese would be WAY too much but hard to turn down for them. But that being said, they really want a SS and even Rollins name is coming up.
There's Always '09
7/9/2009-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
Don’t know why they would be interested in Rollins. Guy is having a dreadful season. Matter of fact, he has really only had one superb season in his career. He is 30 yrs old.
I take Reyes over Rollins any day of the week.
trs86
7/9/2009-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
Obviously so would they, but we are not offering Reyes.
CaseStreet
7/9/2009-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Why does every trade have to start w/ Reyes? Does Philly have to trade one of their core players to get Doc?
trs86
7/9/2009-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
Nope, but what we don’t have is a top SS prospect which they want.
There's Always '09
7/9/2009-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Are you saying Jason Donald is a top SS prospect? Last I heard, he was falling on his face this year in AAA.
trs86
7/9/2009-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Yes he is.
wannybackstra
7/9/2009-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
And they have Jason Donald, a solid defensive shortstop who hit 307 .391 .497 at AA last year (but has struggled pretty bad at AAA this year).
mrose
7/9/2009-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
@ToddZolecki Victorino takes the lead in the Final Vote. SO KEEP VOTING > http://bit.ly/lgKY2 #votevictorino3 minutes ago from web
ugh
prismo
7/9/2009-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
MOTHER $#%@ING NOOOOOOO!!!!!
trs86
7/9/2009-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
Guys if the Mets were serious about Halladay they would need to go out and get the best SS prospect in the game and then try and spin him in a package for Halladay. That’s not going to happen with just Fmart, Holt and Flores.
There's Always '09
7/9/2009-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
I think something like FMart, Holt, and a major league player could get it done.
Catchers are tough to come by as well and the Mets have a catcher in the minors that is looking good. FMart, Holt, Pelf, and Thole? Fact is, I don’t think the Jays are too concerned about if a player is 2-3 yrs away from the majors. JP Ricciardi said something to the effect of it’s going to be a three year process to see what their budget is going to be like, etc. Then he went on to say that Adam Dunn doesn’t like playing baseball.
From the Jays’ perspective, you have to think Halladay is going to be a goner this season. They can lose with him and without him. They never won anything with the duo of Halladay and Burnett. They have brought up some good young pitching this year. Halladay is 32 yrs old and his value next year may take a hit. Who knows how he’ll pitch leading up to the ASB? This year, he has been a legitimate ace. He would supplant Johan as our #1. Anyone wants to dispute that, I’ll argue that point any day of the week.
trs86
7/9/2009-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
Like I said they want a SS so unless that player is Reyes or Pelfrey I just don’t see it.
trs86
7/9/2009-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
Maybe if you could pry Tim Beckham away from TB? Then spin him in a package?
trs86
7/9/2009-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
Buster reports that Mulder is ready to audition for teams. That would not be a back guy to look at. He has been hurt for years but man when healthy he is a stud.
stickguy
7/9/2009-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
only costs money.
stickguy
7/9/2009-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
Roy Halladay has officlaly jumped the shark for me. I either want him traded ASAP, or to blow out his elbow. ANything so we can stop hearing about the incessant rumors.
If this drags on trhough the trade deadline, then all off season, I might have to stop going to baseball sites!
Actually, let the phils gut the system for him, then he can get hurt.
Actually, people talk about him like he is a machine. Yes he is great, but he was already hurt this year, and will be 33 next year, with a ton of miles on his arm. Get the rental if yo are in all in mode like the phils, but a 5 year extension? talk about risky.
That is my last comment on the subject, other than to say it is highly unlikely the Mets get him, and if they have (and are willing to part with) the chips to get him, go after a difference maker on offense instead.
CaseStreet
7/9/2009-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
who is that difference maker?
If all u want is offensive help, then ur just thinking about now.
When healthy, the Mets will score runs.
Santana and Doc on the Mets would be amazing.
Even if you brought in King Pujols, the other team would just pitch around him.
trs86
7/9/2009-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
That is my question. Fine if an offensive difference maker is out there this season or hell even in FA, fine. But there really is not. So when you can’t get what you need for your weakness you make your strength stronger.
stickguy
7/9/2009-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
FA is irrelevant to this discussion, since you are talking about unloading most of the value of the farm system for 1 guy (halladay). Who is only maybe sorta could be available (and if he wants to waive his no trade).
My point really is, they have major holes on offense, and not just now. in 2010 (when you are really getting halladay for), Delgado will be (better be!) gone. So you still need to get that big power bat to anchor the middle of the lineup.
And in the off season, who knows which players will be available. Fielder? Some other guys that are getting too expensive, and 1 year from FA? Maybe SD decides to reload and make Gonzolez available?
And if the FA class is that weak, even more important to have enough prospects to either plug in, or trade to fill the multiple holes on the field.
I’m just not sure that 2 30+ YO pitchers making 40mill combined (or close to it) with a lineup featuring Santos, Murphy, Evans Castillo and Church (supporting DW, reyes and Beltran) is going to get it done.
Remember, Halladay has to still be considered if not a “bad” contract, at least a massive one.
I said at the time that the Santana deal was liely to bite them in the butt before it was done (although they still needed to roll the dice). Extending Doc 5 years? even more likely.
mattsmith
7/9/2009-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
Aaah, more jealously and anger from Mets fans. Love it. I’d take a proven winner in Vic on my team over Beltran any day.
trs86
7/9/2009-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
Proven winner? Because of one WS? So is Dan Marino not a proven winner?
mrose
7/9/2009-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
I wouldn’t call it jealousy at all. Victorino is a good player, but I wouldn’t call him a proven winner because he had one world series. Beltran has had MANY game winning hits and done the same things as Victorino as well. I’ll still always take Beltran… that is a no brainer for me.
And I don’t feel like getting into the smae argument for the umpteenth time, but I can’t stand Victorino’s taunting. Yes, I know the argument is “what is Reyes doing?” my answer, Reyes – celebrates as he celebrates with his team and himself, just like Victorino did rounding the bases with his grand slam against CC last year. When you clap in the direction of the opposite team’s dugout or stand on home plate doing the same, you are taunting.
that argument will likely never end
lol
phillies09
7/9/2009-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Beltran smile… to be honest. He’s so depressing to look at
trs86
7/9/2009-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
You are just looking at the Mole, try sliding your eyes over a little if you can.
phillies09
7/9/2009-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
haha thanks for the tip! haha