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Jul 20

Morning Open Thread

“Been in this game one-hundred years, but I see new ways to lose ‘em I never knew existed before.” Casey Stengel

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  1. metsfan4decades

    NY Post headline this morning:

    ‘Sheffield Injury Apparently More Than Just Cramp’.

    Was there really any doubt?

    Sigh…..

    1. charlie_s

      No, there was NEVER any doubt. The first thing I said when the FO said it was just a cramp was, “for now.”

      It’s like the FO says something in the media (like: it’s just a cramp) and then immediately rams it’s collective head into the sand.

    2. dentulous

      They just never learn. We have the dumbest FO in the majors.

      1. dirtysanchez

        I agree…when will they learn and realize how stupid they look. We are the only team with this situation and yet they still do the same thing over and over….why is there no investigation to the medical staff, why is there no MRI for precautionary reasons…this is getting embarrassing and i am beginning to think only the fans realize how embarrassing this is.

        1. gategem

          You would think the Wilpons would be embarrassed but then again is Dolan embarrassed by the Knicks, was Leon Hess embarrassed by the Jets, was M. Donald Grant embarrassed by the Mets, etc., etc., and so forth.

          The FO seems to have the circle the wagons mentality of corporate in a large investment firm. Now the owner made his money in what type of business? BTW they probably didn’t have an old-timers game because there aren’t enough old Brooklyn Dodgers still alive.

  2. charlie_s

    So, it’s really too early to begin the hot stove talk. This is why I say call up as many kids as possible, so we can at least watch something interesting, i.e. the growth (or not) of the rooks.

    1. metsfan4decades

      On that note, also reported in the Post:

      ‘Manuel had said before last night’s game that he was reluctant to call up Niese, despite the young lefty compiling a 5-1 record and 0.96 ERA with two complete-game shutouts in his past eight starts at Triple-A Buffalo.

      Manuel said the internal scouting reports hadn’t been as glowing as Niese’s numbers, but the Mets likely will have no choice but to turn to Niese or fellow Buffalo starters Nelson Figueroa or Ken Takahashi to fill what could be a lengthy absence for Nieve.’

      Why would we call up Takahashi to replace Nieve’s spot? To me, that would imply Redding stays in the rotation which is just, well, ludicrous.

      1. dirtysanchez

        We cannot survive with redding imo. Give it to figgy or niese. We need quality outings not just a body to throw 100 pitches regardless of the outcome. Yes we owe redding 2 mil but keep him in the bullpen and give someone who is capable of throwing a good outing get a chance….

        1. mrbill

          We cannot survive, period.

        2. gategem

          Redding will have to be paid whether he is on the team or not. So it makes sense that if he is hurting the team by occupying a slot better filled by someone else then you may as well let him go.

      2. darknova306

        Something I’ve been curious about is what changed with Niese to get this really nice stretch of starts going? Is he getting lucky? Did he start throwing his offspeed stuff for strikes more consistently?

        1. Joe R

          He developed a change.

      3. stickguy

        Remember though, Jerry is a complete idiot. I think he is just totally clueless about baseball in general. Hey, anyone that has worked in the real world has had a boss that couldn’t find his butt with 2 hands and a flashlight. That’s Jerry.

        anyway, TOby Hyde (of the mets minors blog, a fantastic read even if it is in the SNY family) disagrees with Jerry, and he has done a number of posts crunching numbers to prove it.

        Nova, you pretty much hit it o nthe head. He is using his off speed stuff (curve, change and a cutter he devleoped) more often and more effectively. He also has more movement on his FB, and is locating it better.

        No, he probably won’t come up and be Koufax in his prime, but he has made the adjustments and progress in the minors (that you look for a 22 YO to make), and for sure has been putting up the numbers, to warrant a call up.

        He probably can’t pitch any better than he is right now, so calling up Figgy really doesn’t help the club any, no or in the future. Call up neise, and hpe he settles in and proves he belongs, so you can pencil him in next year.

        besides, for the people that want a big trade, if he comes up and pitches like Happ, trade value goes way up!

  3. johan4cy

    Omar would probably be able to put this together with the money he’ll have this off season:

    Johan
    Bedard
    Pelf
    Main
    Ollie

    C-Bengie
    1B-laroche
    2B-castillo
    3B-wright
    SS-reyes
    LF-Huff
    CF-Beltran
    RF-Frenchy

    1. johan4cy

      **and Bobby V for manager

    2. stickguy

      someone besides Huff please in LF. He isn’t that good of a hitter, and I have seen enough of slow butchers in LF to last me a lifetime.

      other than that, Molina only on a real ST deal. Laroche I don’t mind, but I wouldn’t want him for more than 2 plus an option either.

      Bedard is an interesting option. Risky, but who knows if he wil lcome cheapish after this year?

      1. johan4cy

        well i figured that it would be ok to have huff in left considering that there are gold glovers in cf and rf as long as he hits (he has 57 rbi this year compared to wrights 44)

        1. Joe R

          Wright should pack up the year and the Mets front office should give him an all expense paid vacation to Hawaii for himself and his family until Spring Training 2010!! Its not fair to this guy who hasnt had a pitch to hit in 2 months!! Id rather him sit in a hammock for 8 months then get injured because his heart isnt in it. And we all know thats when the injuries happen…

          Obvioulsy joking but if Omar did tell us that I would think it was the best move this organization made all year lol

      2. Joe R

        Agreed…I will start the Anti-Huff movement RIGHT NOW!

    3. Joe R

      Absolutly NO!! If Huff is the big power bat we have been looking for and craving the last 3 years I will not watch the Mets! He is old, would have been a decent pick up for this year if we were in the race, but thats about it! Frenchy probably wont be here either. That was Omar’s lets show we are trying and maybe he will show us something. He will not improve dramatically and he will be gone.

      1. johan4cy

        we havent been looking for and craving a power bat for the past three years. delgado has been great except for 2007 because he was hurt.

    4. wannybackstra

      That’s a slow-footed and relatively low OBP lineup.

      I don’t think we can presume that all of next year’s new players will be acquired via free agency; and I hope they are not.

      1. johan4cy

        i wouldnt say slow with reyes, castillo, beltran, wright in there. and francuer isnt fast but i wouldnt call him slow either.

  4. stickguy

    I’m not a doctor, but after just reading about sheff’s injury (not even seeing it), and knowing about his existing leg problems, even I knew that he was going to have to hit the DL.

    And of course, I fully well expected the Mets to at least finish the series with Atl. playing a man short, since he was just day to day!

  5. Kingman 26

    And to pile on, Gategem had a great piece on another thread about the IDIOCY of bunting in the top of the first, with a really good OBP guy in Castillo….every stat shows that you have a slightly LESSER chance of scoring after giving up the out, yet Jerry plays every damn situation like this, giving away out after out after out with our anemic offense.

    The squeeze was great, and he goes right back to conservative idiocy right off the bat yesterday.

    STOP BUNTING!!

    1. Joe R

      How about not bringing in KROD on Saturday for a 4 out save! I would say OK maybe Manuel was being smart because the bases were loaded and we all know KRod is very wild at time and the idea of bringing him in with no room for error is very risky!! However, I have the feeling Jerry didnt even consider bringing in our million dollar superstar closer with the game slipping away!! Its only OK when the its the WBC I guess…

    2. mrbill

      With all the bad things going on, I’ll just watch the squeeze play over and over until April, 2010… It’s the only positive/exciting thing with this team…lol

      1. Joe R

        Haha sad but true….that was the first time in God knows how long I said OH WOW NICE PLAY!! Geez what a horrible year!

      2. Kingman 26

        LOL! Mr Bill, you are SO right as far as the offense goes!

  6. saltygary

    Interesting thought on Buster Olney’s Blog:

    Here’s another reason why Jerry Manuel probably will get some internal flak for his off-handed jab at the team’s medical staff the other day: The Mets have a professional relationship with the Hospital for Special Surgery, who sponsor the team. Imagine if a spokesperson for Coca-Cola ripped the soft drink company publicly; Manuel was joking, but that’s essentially what he did.

    And this is the list of sponsors he linked to on Mets.com:

    http://www.mlb.com/nym/fan_forum/sponsors.jsp

    He has a good point…

    1. wannybackstra

      Like when Brock Lesnar won the UFC championship and told the world he was going to celebrate by drinking Coors rather than Budweiser, the sponsor of the event?

    2. GravediggerHebner

      I agree with the general idea that one shouldn’t badmouth sponsors (unless they truly deserve it, which in this case as I understand it they don’t – they’ve been giving advice that has then been ignored by the Mets).

      BUT: I don’t think a hospital should be sponsoring a team. I don’t think a hospital should have “an advertising budget.” And don’t get me started on television commercials for prescription drugs…

      “Ask your doctor about (blank).” No, don’t. Go to your doctor, describe your symptons and let the professional make a diagnosis and if it requires a prescription, let the professional prescribe it. It’s precisely this ass-backward thought process that allows the Mets front office and staff to disregard the recommendations of the hospital in the first place.

      1. metsgirl31

        I agree…I don’t see how the doctors could be giving this much bad advice…why the Mets seem to continually ignore the advice I have no idea. Why have doctors if you don’t listen to what they say?

  7. Joe R

    Like I said above…Please pack Wright up for the year!!! Im afraid the icing on the cake is yet to come and the way this year is going we all know what that will be……

    Lets start the David Wright vacation movement. We need to demand the METS ORGANIZATION send David Wright to Hawaii for the rest of the year!!

  8. QnsNative718

    Damn, whats there left to say? I know theres no crying in baseball, but this is just so f’in unfair. Getting royally screwed the last 2 yrs the way we did to not even competing this yr. WTF, man.

    1. dirtysanchez

      i totally agree with this…its so friggin unfair.

    2. Joe R

      Well when you put it like the that….

      I’m feeling very sorry for myself right now.

      The last few years including this year, if we were healthy, we were prob only a player away from having the ultimate team imo. Now if we think next year we will just be able to get healthy and jump right in the playoffs Im afraid it wont be that simple. The Braves are a bat or 2 away from having a very, very good team. They actually have 2 YOUNG legitimate pitchers who are living up to the pressure and expectations! We need at least 3 and most likely 4 or 5 pieces to get to the top. IDK wont it be ironic if the Braves get back on top and we just missed the boat or window of oppurtunity!

      1. Joe R

        2006, 2007 , 2008, 2009 ?????

        1 Playoff appearance.

        1. QnsNative718

          2006 I can handle. It was a heart breaker but I can handle it. We all walked away feeling good about the season. (Though that Friday after Game 7 was one of the gloomiest days of my life). The next 2 yrs however, never happened before to any franchise (I believe). Losing out on the playoffs on the LAST GAME, 2 YRS IN A ROW.

    3. saltygary

      Nope being unfair is a team like the Pirates that will never attempt to win the WS all they want to do is make money.

      This just sucks.

      1. Joe R

        Nah…I will go with unfair, sucks, stinky, miserable, pathetic, sad, angry, unlucky, etc, etc, etc,

      2. QnsNative718

        I’ll give you that. But I really dont think the fans go into each season with any high hopes.

      3. Kingman 26

        I agree, and I was about to write that when I saw you beat me to it…..

        How about if we had traded Jose and Wright in about 2005, and never signed Beltran or KRod, and never traded for Johan?

        THAT would be unfair.

        This suxxx, but unfair is inaccurate, in my opinion.

  9. trs86

    Well ….. Well…. Uh…..

  10. trs86

    In other news… Last night in the trd dugout we nominated Joey Cora for the next Mets manager.

    1. stickguy

      make him the player maanger starting tonight. I am all for it.

    2. metsgirl31

      Sign me up…if we have a managerial change then I’m all for someone totally different. No re-treads.

      1. metsfan4decades

        My sentiments exactly.

    3. wannybackstra

      I’ll settle for anyone other than Jerry, whether it is Joey Cora, Alex Cora, Joey Fatone or Alex Rieger.

      1. QnsNative718

        Tom Berenger?

        1. wannybackstra

          done.

    4. Kingman 26

      I like this idea!!

      Joey Cora was a key figure on the excellent Mariner teams of the 90s, always hustled, and might be a great and inspired choice!

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Even he would know that his brother shouldn’t be playing every day.

        1. Kingman 26

          LOL! He would be the FIRST to know!

          I said yesterday that the one good thing about getting Lugo is that it strengthens the bench by returning Cora there.

          1. GravediggerHebner

            Agreed. And Lugo at the minimum salary next year as the MI backup strikes me as a good thing, depending on who the other options are and what they cost.

  11. wannybackstra

    From last week’s Baseball America Prospect Hot Sheet, Jon Niese was included within the “in the team photo” with the following write up:

    You can call him Jon. Or you can call him Jonathon. Either way, Triple-A Buffalo LHP Jon Niese (Mets) has come up aces since an ugly start to his season. (That would be 0-5, 8.05 through start No. 8.) So how did he go about transforming from one of the International League’s worst starters to one of its best (1.99 ERA, 45 strikeouts over past seven starts)? We caught up with the 22-year-old Niese recently (a full report is forthcoming), and he attributes the improvement to a re-dedication to the three C’s: his curveball, changeup and cutter. He started once this week and turned in one of his finest minor league efforts, a five-hit, 10-whiff shutout at Rochester. He walked two and hit another batter, which helps account for the 126 pitches he threw . .

  12. wannybackstra

    #5 on this week’s prospect hot sheet is Brad Holt:

    No. 5 BRAD HOLT, RHP
    METS

    Team: Double-A Binghamton (Eastern)
    Age: 22
    Why He’s Here: 1-0, 0.00, 7 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 SO, 2 GIDP
    The Scoop: The 6-foot-4 righthander from UNC Wilmington closed out the first half with a nifty 80-to-22 strikeout-to-walk ratio, as well as the performance you see above. One start prior, Holt recorded 10 strikeouts, one walk and three hits allowed in five innings. He surrendered three runs in that effort, but he can be forgiven, seeing as he missed three weeks in June nursing a twisted ankle. According to Mets vice president of player development Tony Bernazard, the ankle no longer is an issue for Holt, the 33rd overall pick last year. His primary developmental goal for the second half: finding consistency with his changeup and curveball.

    And “in the team photo” is Jeffry Marte:

    The grind of the minor league season can wear down even the best of prospects. So it wasn’t terribly surprising to see 17-year-old Mets 3B Jefry Marte, in his first year of full-season ball, get off to a slow start. Through his first 300 at-bats, he batted just .230/.265/.330 for low Class A Savannah, with four homers and 27 errors in 76 games. Marte took a reprieve from his not-hot ways and this week batted .364/.440/.636 (8-for-22) with a home run, three doubles, three RBIs and five runs scored. He committed two more miscues in the field, though, and struck out eight times, but at this stage of his development, one has to take the bad with the good . . .

    1. wannybackstra

      Yes, I’m in full “looking to the future” mode.

      1. Kingman 26

        Thanks for these cool and informative posts Wanny….

        1. wannybackstra

          It’s BA’s labor, not mine. But I’m glad people are interested because like Whitney I belive the children are our future!

          re: Holt, I have a good feeling about him. But I really hope he’s not rushed like Pelfrey was because Pelfrey never got the chance to get his secondary pitches improved to the level that he needs to be more than he is now — average to better than average.

          Pelfrey never pitched real well in AAA and spent only two full years in the minors. If Holt pitches as he has for the remainder of the season I hope they don’t get ahead of themselves and pencil him in for a role next season.

          I’d like to see he him dominate AAA next year (if not start at AA again) until he throws his changeup and curveball for strikes consistently.

          1. stickguy

            Let him start at AAA, and as soon as he has everything working (meaning he should probably dominante), then you can call him up to fill an open slot, as I am sure there will be one.

            pretty much have him do what Neise is doing right now.

  13. Mr North Jersey

    Can we sweep the Nats?

    For us to have a chance to make the playoffs we had to win every series down the stretch. By losing 3 out 4 to Atl we are already behind the eight ball but if we sweep the Nats we will be right back on schedule so how bout it?

    If we sweep the Nats do you belive we can still make post season?

    1. metsgirl31

      My heart wants to say “yes” but my head is screaming “NO”.

    2. mrbill

      Can we sweep the Nats? … nope, we can’t.

    3. GravediggerHebner

      No.

      No.

      No.

      And I say this knowing the Nats have lost 9 of their last 10.
      Both teams are pretty brutal, it could be an ugly series. The one thing that stands out to me is the guys who may very well be the 2-3-4 hitters for both teams:

      Nick Johnson
      Ryan Zimmerman
      Adam Dunn

      vs.

      Luis Castillo
      Daniel Murphy
      David Wright

      Obviously there’s more to it than just 3 hitters in each team’s lineup, and yes I understand their guys are who they expected to be in those spots and our guys are not, but to me the above is a key reason why I don’t see the Mets sweeping.

      1. Mr North Jersey

        :)
        so can we finish .500 at least,
        pleaaaaaase?

        1. GravediggerHebner

          I have more faith in that than I do in the Mets sweeping the Nats this week.

          Given that we are playing one of the weakest if not the weakest schedule for the rest of the year (based on opponent winning percentage) and given that we should be getting at least SOME of the valuable players back from the DL before October, I think .500 is doable. They have to go 38-33 (.535) to do it. I think they can.

          1. Mr North Jersey

            Thank You!!!

            playing .500 ball – yes
            Sweeping the Nats – no

            PS – If we sweep though that will be huge

          2. GravediggerHebner

            I agree it would be huge. In theory at least the Mets offense could go off against Martin who is 26 and making his first ML start.

            Livan is in a funk but has been good against the Nats.

            But then it’s Ollie and Pelf vs. Lannan and Stammen, and as much as it sickens me right now I give the edge to the Nats there.

            I’m already looking forward to Friday: Johan vs. Mike Hampton who has 5 wins this season, 4 of those against the Pirates.

          3. Joe R

            What a shame…if we were all healthy all year long we most likely would have breezed through to a divison title…Oh well

    4. metsfan4decades

      hahahahaha.

      In the alternate universe we we are playing baseball, sweeping the Nats would be a no brainer. However, with what we have left standing in this universe I fear the answer is ‘no’….

      I’m predicting we’ll win one game.

      1. stickguy

        They will at least split.

        Man, have out expectations been lowered!

  14. Mr North Jersey

    |||||HEAD TO HEAD|||||

    HITTING STATS
    Mets | Nationals
    Average .266 | .262
    Runs 384 | 392
    Hits 814 | 818
    Doubles 167 | 161
    Triples 19 | 18
    Home Runs 52 | 82
    RBIs 362 | 378
    Walks 336 | 365
    Strikeouts 501 | 696
    XHBP 501 | 34
    GIDP 80 | 79
    SB/CS 84/25 | 41/20
    Sac Flies 27 | 20
    Sac Hits 53 | 32
    OBP .341 | .344
    SLG% .384 | .404
    OPS .725 | .748

    PITCHING STATS
    Mets | Nationals
    ERA 4.37 | 5.18
    Sv/SvOpp 25/37 | 14/34
    Runs 432 | 515
    Earned Runs 392 | 460
    Hits 823 | 887
    HRs 85 | 85
    Walks 361 | 365
    Strikeouts 580 | 505
    Complete Games 1 | 4
    Shutouts 6 | 1
    Holds 54 | 37
    GIDP 65 | 66
    Quality Starts 48 | 36
    Opp.Avg .265 | .282
    Opp.OBP .343 | .360
    Opp.SLG% .410 | .450
    Opp.OPS .753 | .810

    courtesy of WFAN

    1. stickguy

      if you want a positive, there is at least 1 in the numbers.

      Other than DW the K machine, the team really doesn’t strike out that much.

      And that, plus $4.00, will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

      1. Mr North Jersey

        $4.00!!! Where am i going to get that kind of money?

  15. stickguy

    interesting discussion up above about the next manager, and the need for a clean slate at GM and manager (hell, the entire FO).

    One of the other blogs recently had a piece on this, which was essentially a “be careful of what you wish for” item.

    That is, if the Wilpons do ax Omar and Jerry, as the face of futility (even if to just appease the fans), who replaces them?

    They brought up the very real possibility of Tony B and Manny Acta taking over.

    Frnakly, I would rather take my chances with Omar and Jerry I think over those 2.

    I honestly don’t think the Wilpons will ax Omar after this season. But I suspect that if and when they do, it will be because they finally realize the entire BB operations group is forked up, and they need a complete house cleaning.

    Even Paris might be (I really hope..) smart enough to realize promoting his BFF Tony B. to the big chair wouldn’t be a good idea. Or maybe Fred would put his foot down?

    1. wannybackstra

      If Omar goes, Tony B. had better go with him.

    2. tkfj

      If we do wind up axing Omar and Jerry, my birthday, Christmas, and any other holliday wish, I fully expect the Mets organization to do the inconcievable and have that POS parasite Tony FckWad as the next GM, and another no brain, no pulse manager like Manny Acta. Sure we clean out the crap like Omar and Jerry but we bring in smellier crap.

      Please for all that is good in life hire Buck Showalter as Manager, someone who would make sure his teams are fundamentally sound, F player managers. Then bring in a semi-competent GM, because honestly anything at this point is an improvement sans Bernapuke.

    3. dentulous

      Tony B is a parasite and needs to go more than Omar.

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