Get your morning dose of Mets in the Papers.
Brian Costa, “Mike Pelfrey Hoping to Overcome Inconsistency in Time to Help Struggling NY Mets”
As he watched Pelfrey warm up at Turner Field, Mets bullpen coach Randy Niemann turned to pitching coach Dan Warthen and said, “You know, this might be the first time the Mets have a no-hitter.”
Then Pelfrey went out and got pounded by the Braves, giving up a career-high nine earned runs. And a night that began with promise ended as just another reminder of the maddening inconsistency that has marked Pelfrey’s season.
John Harper, “With Tony Bernazard’s Actions, Off-Field Antics Beginning to Look Worse Than Mets’ Play On It”
Bernazard, already notorious for his alleged influence in the firing of Willie Randolph and Rick Peterson a year ago, apparently was so incensed on a trip to observe the Mets’ Double-A Binghamton team that he ripped off his shirt in the clubhouse after a game and challenged the players to a fight.
Bart Hubbuch, “Lannan Blanks Mets in D.C. Disaster”
Say this for the Mets: They’re losing, but at least they’re quick about it.
Jerry Manuel’s putrid, Triple-A level lineup needed just 2 hours, 9 minutes to work its way through a 4-0 embarrassment at the hands of the worst team in baseball last night.
Bart Hubbuch, “Sheffield’s Next Move Could Be to DL”
Manuel indicated if the 40-year-old slugger’s leg doesn’t improve by Friday, when the Mets open a three-game series with the Astros in Houston, then the DL likely is his next stop.
David Lennon, “Long Beach’s Lannan Blanks Heartless Mets, 4-0″
The few Mets still around ate in silence. There was little conversation. A lone voice asked to no one in particular, ” Phillies win?”
The player didn’t get an answer. Probably because everyone associated with the Mets realizes how futile any pursuit of Philadelphia, which now leads the Mets by a season-high 10 games, has become. John Lannan, the pride of Long Beach, pitched the first complete-game shutout in the brief history of Nationals Park, but for the Mets it was nothing new.
Adam Rubin, “Sources: Mets VP for Player Development Tony Bernazard Challenges Binghamton Mets to Fight”
Bernazard particularly went after middle infield prospect Jose Coronado, using a slang term associated with a woman’s anatomy, a source indicated. The confrontation happened about 10days before the All-Star break, according to insiders.
Adam Rubin, “As John Maine Pitches in, Jose Reyes Hits and Runs (Gently)”
John Maine tossed a three-inning, 65-pitch simulated game against batters including Jose Reyes Tuesday in Port St. Lucie. Maine, who has been on the disabled list since June 12 with a pinched nerve behind his right shoulder, next could advance to a minor-league rehab game.
Mark Selig, “New Team, New Stance for Francoeur”
David Wright, manager Jerry Manuel, hitting coach Howard Johnson and Sheffield have all imparted knowledge on Francoeur, in hopes that the 25-year-old can return to his 2006-07 form, when he drove in 208 runs during the two-year stretch.
Mark Selig, “Ollie Can’t Shake Wildness in Mets’ Loss”
“Oliver has been battling that his whole career,” third baseman David Wright said. “When he’s throwing strikes he has some of the best stuff for a left-hander in the game. When he doesn’t throw strikes, the opposing team can take away certain pitches and sit on a pitch.
Joel Sherman, “Time to Plan for Next Season for Mets”
Can these Mets get there? Maybe. They have a lot of Washington, Arizona and San Diego to try to inflate their record in the near future. Still the wild card remains highly unlikely, and the Mets should not prioritize a long shot over focusing on 2010.
So rather than “Ya Gotta Believe,” the Mets’ motto must return to “The Future Is Now,” and with that in mind, this should be their roadmap as they prioritize 2010:
119 comments
fongy2
7/22/2009-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
The Daily News stories on Tony B.
is only further my belief that
everyone associated with Omar
should be shown the door.
I mean, are they kidding here or
what? How is this professional
behavior,even in baseball?
How can a Billion dollar buisness
be run this way? With these Payasos?
C’mon here! Hey Wilpons don’t tell
us you can’t eat the contracts.
Lord knows,Omar has had the Wilpons
eat a few Mil here and there on
players,the 3 million owed Omar
and likely couple Mil owed guys
like Tony B. would seem like an
investment to get rid of them!
mrose
7/22/2009-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
heres the thing, disclaimer: I am not defending tony B!
The first incident was 10 days before the all-star break supposedly..my guess is they are INVESTIGATING the truth of it. Everything said “sources” and honestly, with what kind of a jerk that bernazard has shown to be,this team should have all the ammo possible when they do can him so he doesn’t try to sue for some reason, so I can understand them taking their time… the same w/ the citi field incident..
these things take time…
knee jerk reactions..man
fongy2
7/22/2009-10:56am at 10:56 am (UTC -4)
No knee jerk reaction
from ME. These guys are
Payasos! This crap has
been going on for years
GMs STAY OUT of the clubhouse and the day to day biz of the players.Thats the MGRs
job.And oh,b/t/w Bingo
HAS a GM.Wouldn’t it
be his job? Theres NO
excuse for this junk.
None! What other team
have you ever, ever heard of going through
this stuff? None come to my mind AND I’m following this game
pretty darn closely since the mid 70s!
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-10:59am at 10:59 am (UTC -4)
so are you mad that a METS Manager chewed out the AA team instead of the AA team’s OWN Manager?
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:13am at 11:13 am (UTC -4)
Didn’t say that!
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
Are we talking about Bernazard? If yes, isn’t he the assistant to Omar? How would that translate to being the appropriate one to call out players on a minor league team in the org., for poor play and/or off field antics?
Never mind the fact that he cursed at them, removed clothing and challenged them to a fight. If these stories are true, that equals harassment by management to employees.
At least it does in the corporate world I work in….
dirtysanchez
7/22/2009-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
totally agree…where on earth in another corperation would this fly…no other team in baseball has this kind of crap. We have this plus a team that most likely will under perform yet again. This is truly insult to injury and the reason why we feel we never get the respect that we should be entitled to. Its always a circus…
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
Tony B. is VP of Player Development, so I assume he has some jurisdiction w/ the minor league teams.
His actions are on par w/ what we see from “Hard-Nosed” managers like Ozzie Guillen, Lou Pinella and others.
I don’t think it’s right, but I also don’t see the huge uproar. This is baseball, not corporate America.
Imagine what sports would be if Coaches/Managers couldn’t scream/curse/whatever at their players.
dirtysanchez
7/22/2009-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
ok but all the examples you gave are managers. We are talkign about someone thats a Vice President of player development. As wild as ive heard ozzie and lou, ive never heard them go off on MINOR league talent and major league talent the way that i heard from this story.
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
dirty, yes my examples were managers, but I highly doubt this hasn’t happened on other teams.
dirtysanchez
7/22/2009-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
and i have no evidence to counter your point…my thing is WHY would you do it and bring more attention to yourselves than you already have. You get killed on sport shows for crap on the field, why bring attention to yourself for crap off the field?
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
I’m gonna assume that was to Case.
Kingman 26
7/22/2009-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
Folks, this is not corporate America, it is a baseball team!!
Come on!
Bernazard is an uneducated guy who started pro ball at age 17; his suit and tie (if he wears them) are a facade.
Bernazard and a bunch of BMets is not a board meeting of GE or Exxon!
On the other hand, his behavior at the stadium, chewing someone out about his damn seat, is a pathetic embarassment….but his alleged behavior with the BMets is par for the course in baseball.
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
Last I checked Brock,Tony B. is an Executive of a Billion dollar Biz!
He’s not wearing a Baseball uniform but suit and tie.
Kingman 26
7/22/2009-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
You know how much I like and respect you, but you are grasping at things to criticize, when there are already more than enough…
Bands like Motley Crue are massive corporations too–should we hold them all to the same standards we hold law firms and hospitals and colleges?
Not realistic and not real world.
mrose
7/22/2009-10:59am at 10:59 am (UTC -4)
I’m not denying what you say..If you re-read what I wrote I said that they need to do the due diligence to fire him…
the willie rumors were never proved to be more than rumors, this stuff is a firing offense, but the Mets are smart to have as much ammo as possible when they do fire Tony B…
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
You’re
confusing contracts.Ownership needs very little
cause to
fire a
GM,ast GM etc.
Especially if you pay
the off
the contract.
dirtysanchez
7/22/2009-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
But there have been MANY rumors about Tony B and the mets ahve done NOTHING about them. The man threw a temper tirade infront of paying patrons..im sorry no where ELSE in a professional enviornment would that be acceptable and dealt with. The mets have not done any investigating that we are aware of about the medical staff or the people in charge of making decsisions with players. When is enough…theres a certian way you must carry yourself as a professional and business men and right now i dont think they care how they come accross. Do you here this kind of crap from the red sox, yankees, braves…dare i say PHILLIES. Right now, sad to say…the phillies are the class of the NL east. We look amature and had everyone be healthy we may be in a different situation but bottom line you have to carry yourself professionally at ALL TIMES not just when the going is good.
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
I can’t speak to the “stay out of the clubhouse” thing except to say this:
Bernazard’s title with the Mets is “vice president for player development.” If anyone is going to have access to the players being developed, wouldn’t it be him?
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
What is
the job
then of the Bingo GM
& Mgr?
And what
Ast GM
behaves
like this?
AND if
the GM/
Mgr of
your AA
team can’t control
their players
behavior
why are
they there??
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
I’m can’t answer any of those questions for you. I can only answer to my own satisfaction why I believe the vice president of player development should have access to the players, something you were suggesting above he should not have.
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:44am at 11:44 am (UTC -4)
ofcourse he does and should have access BUT isn’t this guy a little of the top?
A little too much of a buttinsky?
This guy behaves like an
ast.shop foreman ata trucking company.NOT an ast to the GM of a Professional sports francise
in the 21st century. a
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
Brock,you’re gonna compare a Billion Dollar Sports francise in the 21st century to the behaviors of a halfarsed rock band of the 80s?
Kingman 26
7/22/2009-11:58am at 11:58 am (UTC -4)
Fong, I am saying that businesses which have uneducated athletes and/or musicians (who are there due to physical prowess or artistic ability ONLY) in top positions cannot accurately be judged in the same way as highly educated people who spend their lives in offices and classrooms…..Motley Crue is a joke of course, but they are a huge, multimillion dollar corporation, as were Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Nirvana, and others whose behavior would make Bernazard look like a cross between John D Rockefeller and Mother Teresa.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think it’s the access to players being developed that anyone has a problem with.
It’s the over the top abusive name calling, removal of clothing and challenging players to a fight, if true, that is the problem with this story. For me, anyway….
Never mind the non professional antics if the story behind home plate is also true.
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
According to Fongy, the VP of Player Development shouldn’t have access to the players in the farm.
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Fongy said “GMs out of the clubhouse” and that’s what I was responding to.
I agree that the alleged antics are not fit for the corporate world, but how truly related to the corporate world is a minor league baseball locker room?
Corporations sometimes have “retreats” during which they attempt to mimic the atmosphere of sports teams’ locker rooms and the team players’ general “comraderie.”
I doubt sports teams periodically attempt to mimic Wall Street offices.
Different worlds IMO.
I’m not saying that Bernazard’s alleged behavior is appropriate or acceptable, but I am saying I don’t hold baseball teams to the standards of IBM in their minute to minute operational behavior.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
Corporate world to baseball locker room…
Everyone is entitled to certain basic human rights in any working environment. There are numerous laws on the books concerning that – probably too many.
If the story is true, Bernazard stepped over the line, even with the fact that you’re dealing with kids who signed a contract to play a game for your organization.
Professionalism is professionalism. If ‘management’ for the Mets is not held to a certain level of professionalism, then how can you expect the same from the players you’ve contracted to play for you?
Much of this is common sense. Which, in my experience, seems to allude many more people than it does not.
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
I understand and agree with much of what you are saying.
Where I disagree is that I don’t think, for lack of a better term, “white collar corporate office” behavior is the standard to which they should be held.
Basic human rights, yes.
If the senior vice president of Bank of America called a guy in the mail room “a slang term for the female anatomy” I think that would be wholly inappropriate and that VP would be at best suspended and at worst relieved and tried.
But in a baseball locker room, while happening less than it did 50 or 25 years ago, still happens and will continue to happen.
It is one of many widely varied and not necessarily wholly acceptable methods of motivation and challenge.
You get fired for it at the office. In the locker room, sometimes it works and it is rarely complained about. Those that “can’t take it/don’t approve of it” move on to different endeavors if they can’t focus their distaste for it into on field production.
Again I’m not saying it’s right, I know I wouldn’t appreciate it, but I don’t have the mental toughness to be a successful professional athlete. Tony B’s behavior is a step, however unpleasant, in the process of weeding out those who do and those who don’t.
If whoever he treated this way in the “privacy” of a locker room can’t handle it, how will they respond to 40,000 slurs and boos?
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-1:43pm at 1:43 pm (UTC -4)
Fair point, Grave.
And my point of view is probably a little to the left, considering I’m female.
I suppose what would outrage me, might not be considered very far out of place for a baseball locker room.
Hard to put myself in their shoes….
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-1:50pm at 1:50 pm (UTC -4)
I think we both agree that it should change, and that we both hope it will change, but I just believe that a sports locker room is a slower incubator for change of this kind than a corporate atmosphere.
Certain inalienable rights take hold slower in some places than others, even though that’s not fair or just.
Bottom line for me is that type of treatment does not inspire me to long term positive effect on a professional basis. In the short term I become angry and there is a small increase in my production, but I lose respect and admiration for the person and ultimately in the long run become less productive precisely because they’ve treated me poorly.
That’s why I say I don’t have that mental toughness. Different “employees” respond differently to different stimuli. Eventually everyone came around to the understanding that certain methods of fraternity hazing were just wrong, for example.
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
I never said that case and shame on you for being so narrow and insulting.
You really should stop with that crap.Its not funny and it is very
condesending.
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
Fongy, what does this mean then:
“GMs STAY OUT of the clubhouse ”
Were you not implying that Tony Bernazard had no right to chew out the B-Mets?
If I’m wrong, then what were you trying to say?
Otherwise, shame on you for not owning your words.
mrbill
7/22/2009-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
“The few Mets still around ate in silence. There was little conversation. A lone voice asked to no one in particular, †Phillies win?â€
This is so sad it’s time to slit my wrists…
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
Perhaps, but imagine how incredulous the fan base would be if after a loss to the lowly Nationals the report read:
“The Mets were laughing and joking in the clubhouse while loud music played and a food fight ensued.”
Kingman 26
7/22/2009-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
It is indeed sad, but Grave, this is about number 8,893,453 in your long line of wise, salient, and outstanding points….
mrose
7/22/2009-12:14pm at 12:14 pm (UTC -4)
Isn’t this what dirty was asking for earlier? embarassment?
so ok, they are embarassed…. what did it change?
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
I think any of us who might be taking the “I never hear about this with any other team” approach need to be careful.
There is only 1 other team that I am aware of that has the intense media scrutiny that this team does and that’s the Yankees. Yes the Boston Red Sox have a high level of coverage but still it’s a significantly smaller city with fewer newspapers and overall media outlets. If this type of thing took place in the KC Royals or Oakland As system, would we likely hear about it? Would there even be anyone there to notice it? If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?
dirtysanchez
7/22/2009-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
I understand your point but this tony thing is one example of many other occurances this year that make us look unprofessional. While i agree it may go on in other ballclubs, why would you do that knowing the season we are having and in a media hot box in New York. Its just not smart business. You are in the first season of your new ball park…a new era in your franchise and you act like this. Its bad enough that we may not have meaningful games down the stretch for the first time in 4 years, but to act in the way they have is embarassing and unprofessional
Kingman 26
7/22/2009-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
Again, the Wilpons must awake from their Madoffian slumber and realize what the hell is going on with their baseball team….they should fire Bernazard for the incident with the seats, make a statement about how the shoddy play cannot continue, and set the tone for a return to respectability.
dirtysanchez
7/22/2009-11:56am at 11:56 am (UTC -4)
thats my whole thing right there king…respectability. You need to be respectable to merrit respect and right now, i dont thnk we have earned it. Just look at the medical situation, no doubt many other players and ballclubs have heard about beltrans issue. How do you think that will affect FA signing with us when as a ballculb we cannot even accuratly handle medical issues. Does anyone over there care about how they look. Can someone stop the circus…
Kingman 26
7/22/2009-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed 100%….and I have read that the Players Assoc. might investigate the Beltran situation…no free agent will want to come here, nor will a player with the 10/5 right to reject a trade (like Halladay), with our on-field sloppiness, front office shenanigans, totally absentee owners, and abominable inability to properly diagnose and treat injuries.
fongy2
7/22/2009-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed!
Brock.
Folks can say whatever they want about
the likes of Delgado(for instance)
But his quotes several yrs ago about Tony B.
Really says it all!
fongy2
7/22/2009-11:49am at 11:49 am (UTC -4)
Yeah my friend I think many
of us die-hard,can’t get enough of this stuff,baseball
fans would have heard something about it.Esp,in the
21st century w/the net,24hr
sports on demand etc,etc..
saltygary
7/22/2009-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
Fongy question unrelated to your post…
Is there a technical reason that there are some many returns in your comments? It makes your comments very difficult to read with it so broken up so I generally skip them because of this.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-12:03pm at 12:03 pm (UTC -4)
Good point.
Re: the 70′s and 80′s with the hiring and subsequent firing, of Billy Martin 5 TIMES. Was hired for yet a 6th time but was killed before the start of the season.
For those of us around long enough, we saw many incidents with Billy and the Yanks alone that did not put that organization in a good light at all.
Remember the pin tar incident? How about when he got into a fight with one of his pitchers (can’t remember who) and the pitcher broke his arm? The near altercation between him and Reggie Jackson?
That love/hate relationship between Steinbrenner and Martin kept us entertained for years…
fongy2
7/22/2009-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
Yes it was a bad joke!
BUT atleast they Won
a Couple Championships
while making us laugh.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
Had to point that out, huh Fongy? LOL.
fongy2
7/22/2009-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
Sadly!
saltygary
7/22/2009-12:20pm at 12:20 pm (UTC -4)
As a Met’s fan living in Red Sox country I can verify that this crap does not occur in Boston. All it is, is tabloid media in NY creating non-stories to sell newspapers. I just don’t think other areas want to read this much into their teams. Fans in other markets are more concerned about on the field play then David Wright’s girlfriend.
And by no means is the Tony B. a non-story but most are.
metsgirl31
7/22/2009-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve been reading all the posts and comments this morning…also the newspaper articles and I find it all so hard to believe. It’s very disheartening to read all these off the field stories. It’s been so long since we’ve had any positive news on this team on or off the field. Clearly changes need to be made in the front office even if it’s just to improve our perception in the baseball world. It’s embarrassing at this point to be a Mets fan, more so because of the front office bumbling than the team on the field. Yes the injuries could not be helped. But could some of them have been handled better? Yes for sure. It seems like everything the people who are running this team do is a** backwards. Nothing they do turns out to be a positive. It all comes back to bite us in the butt. Something has to give. It’s scary to think how many more similar stories are going to surface between now and the end of the season.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
Embarrassing. You’ve hit the nail on the head. A few weeks ago was at the hospital visiting my Dad. He had a male nurse. I was there one day wearing a Met jersey. He pointed at it, said ‘Met fan? My sympathies’. That about says it all. Naturally, he’s a Yankee fan…
metsgirl31
7/22/2009-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
Yea I’ve been getting grief from a Yankee fan friend of mine for a few weeks now…the sad part is I have no defense for a lot of what’s gone on so I have to take the crap. Needless to say he may not be a “friend” much longer.
JoeR
7/22/2009-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
well if your not use to that over the years i dont know what to tell u….no reason to lose a friend
metsgirl31
7/22/2009-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
It was a joke…I’ve taken way worse from him over the years regarding baseball…he’s not going anywhere. He’s also a Phillies fan so last year was BAD and this year not shaping up any better.
JoeR
7/22/2009-12:51pm at 12:51 pm (UTC -4)
ouch lol
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
how can he be a Yankee fan and a Phillie fan? Is he just jumping on the bandwagon?
JoeR
7/22/2009-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
wish i was lol
metsgirl31
7/22/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
No he’s been a lifelong Yankee fan and lives near Philly so by his logic he’s got a favorite AL team and a favorite NL team. Just my luck it’s the 2 teams I hate the most. Wish he were just jumping on the bandwagon cuz then I could throw that in his face but he’s not the bandwagon type.
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-1:40pm at 1:40 pm (UTC -4)
As long as this person has a clear and consistent answer to the question “who would you root for in a Yankee-Philly world series” then I have no problem with the dual fandom.
If they waver, however…
I was born and raised a Met fan but (in 1987 oddly enough) I moved to Boston and lived there for 19 years. The Red Sox already were somewhat my AL fave team because they were the natural rival of the Yankees, but my fandom of them grew in my time near them. I even shared season tickets for a few years.
But if ever asked who I would root for in a matchup of them, without hesitation or equivocation it’s the Mets and always will be.
metsgirl31
7/22/2009-1:50pm at 1:50 pm (UTC -4)
The answer to that question is and always will be the Yankees…he’s very clear on that. And I agree with somewhat being a Red Sox fan cuz of them being the Yankees rival. But head to head I would always root for the Mets no matter who they play.
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-1:54pm at 1:54 pm (UTC -4)
Well then your friend has the GravediggerHebner Seal of Approval ™
I’m sure he’s relieved to know that.
JoeR
7/22/2009-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
Yes but this is what happens when a team that was suppose to make the playoffs the last 3 years doesnt! Injuries or not…we are not in the playoffs. Everyone has an axe to grind…everyone is jocking for position…everyone is fighting for power, etc, etc.
Im afraid you are correct…we will read many more stories in the days to come…Such is losing basbeall in New York.
fongy2
7/22/2009-12:03pm at 12:03 pm (UTC -4)
Case, READ and UNDERSTAND!
I never,ever said Tony B. had no
right to be in,around or involved
with the teams AA club. I said the
Bingo Mets have a GM and Mgr(hired
by Omar) to handle problems like
the one noted in the article.
If anything,Tony B. should make
an appearance to conduct damage
control like in the case of a DUI,
some other potential legal situation
etc,etc.AND even in those situations
one would think he’d handle it professionaly NOT like an I.L.A. rep
from the 70s.You desire to defend
Omar and his crew is such that you
twist words,jump to conclusions and
insult fellow die hards and serious
fans.THEN, you want others to
“own their words”??
Why don’t you examine you’re own 1st.
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
first I never insulted you, die hards or serious fans.
Stop being so sensitive.
I’m not defending anyone, because I don’t think people should be treated that way, what I and others are saying is that this is Sports and it tirades happen often.
A certain amount of yelling and cursing in the clubhouse is expected.
second, you think it wasn’t Tony B’s role to chew the team out. Fine, that ur opinion.
IMO, he has more at stake and prob more resposibility as VP of Player Development then the B-Mets GM, so I don’t see what he did as out of his realm of duties.
Finally, you sit here complaining that the Mets FO is full of people who make excuses and want a firey manager, yet the minute someone from the FO shows fire, you say it’s not acceptable. That’s what I don’t understand. You want a firey manager but not a firey FO?
fongy2
7/22/2009-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
Well actually,I’d like
a few firey players.
Firey Mgrs not as
important.Firey GMs
much less so.Firey Assistants to the GM,
less so than that.
Plus, theres a diff b/t
being firey and acting
like a fool.
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
gotcha
JoeR
7/22/2009-12:03pm at 12:03 pm (UTC -4)
Hank Steinbrenner said yesterday that he puts a playoff team on the field every year and expects to be in the playoffs and win every year. I really hope our team feels the same way. I hope this isnt a turn for the worst and the next time we see the playoffs is 5 years!! I really felt we turned the page the last few years and we were willing to spend money and do whatever it took to be the best. I know this season doesnt count because we definitely had the all stars and def were going to put a winning product on the field. I just hope it continues???
Mr North Jersey
7/22/2009-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
I read all this Tony Bernazard stuff and how fired up some of you get over this and it amazes me.
The incident 1st off occurred about 10 days prior to the All Star Game and has only come to light now even though it was apparently witnessed by and confirmed by several Mets sources You would think in NY of all places they’d be quicker than that.
Funny, how it comes out at a time when the Mets are becoming such a non story isn’t it by a Mets Beat Writer?
Now I am not suggesting this is a lie so don’t get your knickers in a bunch. I am suggesting that this was a non story had the Mets been playing better ball and was published to do exactly what it is doing to get an already irate Mets fan base talking about something other than the Mets boring team getting shutout again in 2009.
Is Tony B outta line? F*** Yeah. Do I give a rat’s a$$ if he got into a “I’m a Man” mode with a AA player? no. The organization will soon enough have to deal with the growing Tony B stories. Stories that had we been in 1st place oin the NL East no one would be really that all concerned about.
mrbill
7/22/2009-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
Good post.
Mr North Jersey
7/22/2009-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you Mr Bill, I just wish I could see things with such clarity in other aspects of my life.
JoeR
7/22/2009-1:26pm at 1:26 pm (UTC -4)
agreed but he has had issues with everyone…willie, peterson, krod, everyone. omar or someone needs to get him in line
mrbill
7/22/2009-1:28pm at 1:28 pm (UTC -4)
That is why he might get fired now…All those stories piled up and the “hulk” incident before the ASG was the top.
Mr North Jersey
7/22/2009-1:28pm at 1:28 pm (UTC -4)
In time all this will be addressed but we may not like the results.
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
You mean when he takes over as GM?
Mr North Jersey
7/22/2009-1:44pm at 1:44 pm (UTC -4)
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
Or you can look at it this way:
The timing of these stories is not the issue. It’s the fact that these incidents may very well have happened at all – so the media choose some very well timed agenda to report them.
The point of, if we were in first we wouldn’t be hearing about these stories maybe a valid one. But…could be then b/c these incidents aren’t happening as it would be a well run organization, hence the result of us being in first…..
Mr North Jersey
7/22/2009-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
I am not sure I understand what you mean when you say “could be then b/c these incidents aren’t happening as it would be a well run organization, hence the result of us being in first…..”
If you mean had we been in 1st it would be because we are being well run hence this incident doesn’t happen in a well run organization.
I will tell you Tony B’s character has been suspect going back to 2007. A time in which we were in 1st place most of the year and yet it was talked about only in passing from time to time nothing close to what you been getting this year.
mrbill
7/22/2009-1:26pm at 1:26 pm (UTC -4)
“I will tell you Tony B’s character has been suspect going back to 2007″… True.
Mike just said Tony B had words with krod on the bus last week… wonder if that is true.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, brother….
If that was true, Bernazard should rethink who he’s confronting. From what we’ve seen of KRod this year, he’s not one likely to back down from any confrontation….
metsgirl31
7/22/2009-1:36pm at 1:36 pm (UTC -4)
Oh man if this is true then that has to be the line in the sand for whoever needs to make the decision on canning this dude.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-1:29pm at 1:29 pm (UTC -4)
If you mean had we been in 1st it would be because we are being well run hence this incident doesn’t happen in a well run organization.
Correct. I probably didn’t phrase it all that well. Was trying to say if we were in first, maybe a well run organization had something to do with it – hence we wouldn’t be hearing about any ridiculous stories about ‘scenes behind the scenes’….
metsgirl31
7/22/2009-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
Yea it’s a chicken and egg situation I think. Can look at it either way…BUT either way it blows that these things are happening at all.
Mr North Jersey
7/22/2009-1:26pm at 1:26 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed
JoeR
7/22/2009-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
get rid of him….unless hes an absolute genius in what he does…where there is smoke there is fire…i mean issues with wagner,krod,willie, seats, AA players, etc, oh peterson, etc. cmon we dont need this because its just a matter of time before stories on our medical staff,whether true or not, start coming out. all we need is beltran or reyes to publicly say we handled their injuries wrong and BOOM! goodnight
JoeR
7/22/2009-1:32pm at 1:32 pm (UTC -4)
redsox making a push getting larouche…oh how nice to be in a race lol
saltygary
7/22/2009-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
WFAN is reporting that Jack Wilson is being kept out of the lineup. Sounds like he might be moving to. To bad they can’t trade that park of theirs to another team, what a waste.
saltygary
7/22/2009-1:03pm at 1:03 pm (UTC -4)
Meh, they didnt bother to look up that he has a sore hamstring.
JoeR
7/22/2009-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
yeah larouche traded to boston…
saltygary
7/22/2009-1:36pm at 1:36 pm (UTC -4)
I never in my life thought I would be 100% agreeing with Fatcessa. He is dead on with the Tony B situation.
JoeR
7/22/2009-1:43pm at 1:43 pm (UTC -4)
yes he is…
saltygary
7/22/2009-1:49pm at 1:49 pm (UTC -4)
Since the team is technically in the selling side of the market by way of the record, who do you think has the ability to get some value back? My list would include:
Feliciano
Livan (barely any)
Parnel (I would hold on to him)
Schneider
Cora
Wright (can’t do it)
Probably that is it since the injured guys wouldn’t bring anything back. That should score us Doc jeez…
GravediggerHebner
7/22/2009-1:57pm at 1:57 pm (UTC -4)
I think the only one who currently has a high value (relative to themselves if that makes sense) is Feliciano and given the uncertainty of middle reliever performance from season-to-season I am most open to his being traded.
No matter how well he might do this year, it’s not going to put the Mets over the top so they might as well get the most they possibly can for him. I have no idea what an appropriate haul for him should be though.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-2:09pm at 2:09 pm (UTC -4)
Read an article over on Amazin Avenue this morning that advocating selling KRod. Said he’s in decline and that would net the most good prospects back.
Uh…O.K. so we’ll get some bats that may or may not work out (‘prospects’), maybe score some runs, and watch the BP/closer give it all back in the late innings. I’ve watched that movie before and I didn’t like it…..
mrose
7/22/2009-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
that was a horrible article…I read that myself
CaseStreet
7/22/2009-2:35pm at 2:35 pm (UTC -4)
yeah, but James K., is a dork
saltygary
7/22/2009-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
Yea I agree with Feliciano. Playoff teams love picking up middle relief help and I’m sure the team could get something nice back. I doubt any kind of a major prospect but something decent.
And on the KROD front that would make no sense at all. Closer was our biggest issue last year the team corrected it with one of the best possible solutions so lets turn around and make that the biggest issue again?
tkfj
7/22/2009-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
Apparently the Mets released a statement that they are investigating the matters regarding Bernazard, which included two incidents where he went off. The one at Citi Field, and at Binghamton. Please Fire this parasite POS. Please do what is right Wilpons.
mrose
7/22/2009-2:21pm at 2:21 pm (UTC -4)
its called a process man… as I said earlier, I understand this isn’t a corporate environment, but the team is still doing the right thing by doing due diligence before firing him
tkfj
7/22/2009-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
The man is widely known as “a really bad guy” around the league. I hope he gets what he deserves.
mrose
7/22/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
I think there is one thing that this blog and its users agree on, whatever the process..Tony B needs to go
saltygary
7/22/2009-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
When the chess pieces move the pawns generally fall. Getting Tony B out of there would be some nice news.
fongy2
7/22/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah but Omar is a
checker guy!
saltygary
7/22/2009-2:31pm at 2:31 pm (UTC -4)
I was thinking more like “Go Fish”
saltygary
7/22/2009-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
Fatcessa just said “you can feel the earth move in Mets land today”. Omar will make an announcement within the hour!
My inside sources are saying that Omar will explain that “He is not worried” about the state of the team.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
MF WFAN announced Omar speaking at 3:30 and they’ll carry it. He states: ‘something happening with the Mets. Things happening fast’….
This should be interesting…
metsgirl31
7/22/2009-2:33pm at 2:33 pm (UTC -4)
Ok let’s hope he doesn’t say anything to make this situation worse….
tkfj
7/22/2009-2:35pm at 2:35 pm (UTC -4)
Thats a given already.
tkfj
7/22/2009-2:34pm at 2:34 pm (UTC -4)
YAY. Please be somthing important.
mrose
7/22/2009-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
i hate listening to him…but I will tune in at 3:30 for this!
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-2:42pm at 2:42 pm (UTC -4)
I’m with you there. I stopped listening to MF when Mad Dog left. I just couldn’t take it anymore – LOL.
Tuned in yesterday and today, just to hear his take on the state of the Mets. Amazingly, instead of his obnoxious spiel I expected to hear, he’s pretty much giving them a pass this year b/c of the injuries and states Bernazard must go – now.
Of course, I think he’s being magnanimous b/c his Yanks are in 1st.
He also said yesterday, if that rumor on Halladay was true, that deal should have been made without hesitation
saltygary
7/22/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
Yea same here I moved onto Mad Dog on Sirius. I had to turn it on today though, compelling stuff.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
Now MF is saying that WFAN won’t be carrying that meeting with Omar and the media but MF is trying to get him to come on air after.
tkfj
7/22/2009-2:42pm at 2:42 pm (UTC -4)
Is SNY gonna carry it?
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t believe so. Normally, they only carry press conferences and they’re not calling this a press conference, just a meet with the media.
I do believe it’s tied into the damage control on Tony B. and that official statement they released earlier today that you reported on.
mrose
7/22/2009-2:39pm at 2:39 pm (UTC -4)
should we get a new post for the Omar announcement? Anyone want to give me the exact details WFAN is giving right now?
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-2:46pm at 2:46 pm (UTC -4)
This is what I know right now, listening to the FAN:
-Mets released an official statement on the allegations/incidents concerning Bernazard – earlier today.
-Omar to meet with the media at 3:30.
-MF is guessing the media meet is probably tied into the Bernazard statement.
-WFAN is NOT carrying that meet live.
-MF asked his producer to get with Omar and ask him to come on live after the media meet. No word yet on if that will happen.
metsfan4decades
7/22/2009-3:16pm at 3:16 pm (UTC -4)
Update: Omar will not do any one on ones today so he won’t come on the FAN.
It’s 3:40.
WFAN is promising they will have that statement to the media on air within the hour.
tkfj
7/22/2009-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spbern0723,0,3547148.story
Wow. Omar trying to save Tony B’s job. If I didnt hate the man already, I surely do now. What a bunch of BS. Take it into your own hands and fire Omar and Tony now. End this monopoly.