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- Mariners To Demote Jesus Montero
- Prospect Rumor Roundup: Talking Twins
- Marlins Designate Jon Rauch For Assignment
- AL West Notes: Angels, Jesus Montero, Cotts
- Quick Hits: Francona, Indians, Mattingly, Dodgers
- Cafardo on Tanaka, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Phillies
- AL East Notes: Orioles, Red Sox, Ellsbury
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- Draft Notes: Astros, Appel, Gray, Cubs, Harvey
- Minor Moves: Dustin Martin, Josh Horton
37 comments
trs86
8/2/2009-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
Nice, but I doubt the 2-3 million Vmart was owed was of any consequence.
tkfj
8/2/2009-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
More like Fred telling Omar, we dont want you to touch the team because you wont be here very much longer.
I didnt want V Mart anyway, hes stunk the past two months and is 31 yrs old, not exactly young and worth the prospects.
Actually, thank god we didnt trade for V Mart.
trs86
8/2/2009-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Can’t say I did not WANT him, just did not want to give up Holt AND Mejia.
Anyway, I would think that if Omar was going to be fired he would have been then.
gategem
8/2/2009-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
lol I’m glad that you’re more knowledgeable about these players than the woebegone Theo and the RedSox organization. We need all the help we can get here.
lol BTW with the ancient V. Martinez on Medicare wouldn’t that cut down on medical costs for the ball club?
trs86
8/2/2009-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
I am hoping his point is that the Redsox could afford that gamble because they are much closer in the race and have more prospects to give.
tkfj
8/2/2009-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
My point was that at 31 years old V Mart was not worth the prospects we would of had to give up. V Mart would be an upgrade, but I myself am not enamored with him.
trs86
8/2/2009-10:39am at 10:39 am (UTC -4)
I did not know you age a year when traded? He is 30. And stats show he will be about a .830 ops guy which is great for a catcher but how much longer he can be a catcher, I have no idea. As a 1B and .830 OPS is actually bellow average.
gategem
8/2/2009-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
If he doesn’t catch his numbers should improve. Joe Torre became an everyday 3rd baseman in 1971 and he had a career year (hit .363).
trs86
8/2/2009-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
Not always the case though. But being in Boston’s lineup should help. If he came to the Mets he would have still been catching some so again not worth our 2 best pitchers.
gategem
8/2/2009-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
You mean not worth the two best pitching prospects. But remember “Generation K.â€
trs86
8/2/2009-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Yes I remember generation K. Did I say they were no doubt studs? Nope. But we need something in the minors, you can’t be the old Yankee’s and not develop any farm. It’s no shock that even the Yankee’s did not win that way. The won before with a supply of homegrown talent and FA and now they again are winning with both. If you traded Holt and Mejia our best pitching prospect would be uh…. I have no clue.
gategem
8/2/2009-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Actually I was hoping the Mets would be able to make incremental upgrades that didn’t involve surrendering the best prospects. Something similar to the Marlins and their acquisition of Nick Johnson. Even someone like Orlando Cabrera would have meant that we didn’t have to see Berroa again. It would have allowed them to improve the product on the field a little and perhaps scratch out a few more wins so they would be a little closer when the walking wounded returned.
trs86
8/2/2009-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
True but guys like that can still be gotten. Example Nomar, Wiggy or even a guy like Huff can pass through waivers.
gategem
8/2/2009-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
BTW If you’re talking about the period after the four championships the Yankees didn’t win a WC that way but they did make the playoffs every year with the exception of last year and they did improve their revenue sources as well as increase the value of the team. Winning the WS is not the sole criteria of a winner because if it were last years Rays would have to be considered flops and Lord knows what the Mets would have to be considered.
trs86
8/2/2009-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
Not the point, the Yankees have been their best while relying on their own prospects and overpaying others.
Either way, do you seriously want to go back to a time in which the Mets had all overpaid stars and absolutely NO farm? You can’t just trade your best to pitching prospects for 1.5 years of a hitter.
gategem
8/2/2009-1:39pm at 1:39 pm (UTC -4)
While I didn’t champion trading for V Mart I am going to play devil’s advocate here. I think it’s premature to say that V Mart has only 1.5 good years left. In fact V Mart may have more productive years left in the majors than either of those two prospects may ever have. I don’t exactly see Doc Gooden in either of them so who knows how they will develop. When Frank Robinson was traded from Cincinnati to Baltimore the Reds GM said that Robinson was an old 30. We know how that turned out. But V Mart was not the missing piece to the Mets puzzle and so I didn’t consider it to be a wise move for the Mets but it is a solid move for Boston. Most Yankee fans are not happy with the RedSox making that acquisition.
As far as the Yankees are concerned even without the good farm system they still won far more games than most teams that are forever rebuilding with youth. Winning and earnings are the two primary things here and they go hand in hand in running a sports business (or so I have read). Would not the Yankees have made the playoffs last year if they had surrendered Hughes in a trade for Santana? Either way it’s a difference in philosophy and most teams don’t have the financial resources to buy players like the Yankees do.
trs86
8/2/2009-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
You are misunderstanding the 1.5 years. Actually it’s 1.3 at this point. He is only under contract that long. No bet he resigns.
trs86
8/2/2009-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
So with Sheff back, what should the lineup be?
Hmmm
Pagan, Castillo, Wright, Sheff, Murphy, Frenchy, Santos, Cora?
trs86
8/2/2009-11:22am at 11:22 am (UTC -4)
Another odd thought, what about Nomar? He is not very good but can still play all the IF spots.
trs86
8/2/2009-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
At least that would not allow us to see Berroa anymore.
Mr North Jersey
8/2/2009-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know but I hear this discussion about keeping prospects or not keeping prospects and I have to wonder if what we should be saying do we try to win now or try to win next year?
In my opinion Minaya basically said he doesn’t feel it is a smart move taking a chance at winning now and trading what little bullets he has in the chamber based on where this team is in the standings.
Unless you want to play Conspiracy Theory and suggest his hands were tied from the get go. He doesn’t feel this team has a realistic chance this year.
Did you not read my translation of what he meant to say yesterday?
trs86
8/2/2009-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, but I think he had to balance both. We do still have a slight chance this year but if all of these guys are weeks away then we most likely do not. No matter who we brought in. Either way, there was not a hitter available that I would trade our best two pitching prospects for except maybe AGonz.
Mr North Jersey
8/2/2009-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
“slight chance” my point exactly.
It still means he doesn’t think the team can do it so if this is the message he is portraying then why should us fans continue to show up and spend our money or for that matter why should the team continue to show up if their own front office doesn’t feel it is a smart bet taking a risk on the future with them?
I think it is a bad move to do nothing at all I mean he didn’t have to make a huge deal but hopefully he does some waiver deal if for no other reason to show the team they (the front office) still believe in them.
trs86
8/2/2009-1:44pm at 1:44 pm (UTC -4)
Why should the Pirates have ANYONE show up. I don’t buy it. Most of the players and the fans realize this season is lost without a miracle and miracles can occur without Mark Teahen.
Mr North Jersey
8/2/2009-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
Interesting that you say we need a miracle but the question still stands why should fans continue to show up and spend their money or for that matter why should the team continue to show up if their own front office doesn’t feel it is a smart bet taking a risk on the future with them?
Do we need a miracle because Minaya failed to make a move once Beltran went down or once Beltran went down there was no need to make a move because we would need a miracle?
If we need a miracle then the season is over so let’s clean house and get ready for 2010 say bye to Sheffield to start. Niese should be a permanent starter from here on out. Shutdown Reyes, Beltran, Maine, Delgado for the year until they are healthy and quit trying to attempt to see if they can come back this season. Give David Wright his much needed day off from time to time. This is what should be happening now since for all intents and purposes the season is over.
trs86
8/2/2009-2:03pm at 2:03 pm (UTC -4)
Difference in philosophy I guess. I remember being just as strong of a fan when we really stunk. I spent just as much money and time then.
Mr North Jersey
8/2/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed the die hard will always spend even when the team goes 62-100 but the avg fan those are the one’s that are in question in this conversation.
Die-hards are in hook line and sinker be it rain or shine.
I am a Minaya guy but from the get go when Beltran went down way back in that Pittsburgh series and Minaya held a post-game saying we just have to get buy till our guys get back followed by Manuel’s we are not good enough comments set a bad precedent.
You had a club go through the worst offensive output I have ever seen all the while nothing coming from the front office to help with the promise of just wait for the cavalry.
Now here we are August is here teams all over mlb making strides to make a run my God even Florida got in with Johnson and now you get comments like you have to weigh where we are in the standings.
Are you serious Omar? Where we are in the standings is a direct reflection of your lack of making a move.
In my opinion that was the icing on the cake. I still want Minaya here mind you if for no other reason as I can not think of a better replacement at this time but if we don’t make the post-season and if these kids don’t pay off and if Victor Martinez goes on to help the Sox team July 31 2009 will be looked back as a very bad day in Mets history.
dirtysanchez
8/2/2009-2:31pm at 2:31 pm (UTC -4)
Given the fact that weirder things have happened in MLB..maybe he rather hold on to all his bullets for a good final roll of the dice than just calling it quits
Mr North Jersey
8/2/2009-3:29pm at 3:29 pm (UTC -4)
Right now I have to wonder if he will actually roll the dice.
If come the end of the month we are the exact same amount of games back from the W.C. does he roll the dice?
I wonder, I really do.
whataputz
8/2/2009-7:00pm at 7:00 pm (UTC -4)
Fuc* it! I don’t even care anymore. we root for a team that in the fu^^ing money era cannot win anything! they spend 4 times florida and look! i feel like a loser just because i’m a mets fan. every year they put the same shi**t team in their new horse**** stadium. Fu** it, i;m done buying tickets, done rooting for them. I deserve goddamn free tickets, no joke. I pay 20 bucks sometimes 25 a game, drive from nj! and they are losers!m 23 years and counting, and they have a flotation device in an ocean and can’t even break .500. do you understand how pathetic! i cannot even begin to think how great it is to be a ynakee fa. enjoy your losers as usual. f** the mets.
Mr North Jersey
8/2/2009-7:13pm at 7:13 pm (UTC -4)
UMM u ok there? should i dial 911?
whataputz
8/2/2009-7:28pm at 7:28 pm (UTC -4)
Jersey, they spend so much goddamn money. I pay up to 25 bucks! 25! to sit in the worst seats i9n the shi**y stupid disgrace of a stadium they built, and they have never won anything in my lifetime. I’m done ever buying anything from them. It’s a disgrace. At least the royals have thrown in the white flag. We;re the 2nd highest payroll in an era where money rules all and we are 5 games under 500! How pathetic are they! They don;t win anything, ever! why should I support them. If I ever have kids I;m doing them a huge favor and raising them as yankees fans. Think about it! Think about how much this team has let you down.
Mr North Jersey
8/2/2009-7:51pm at 7:51 pm (UTC -4)
Putz i feel for you I can at least say they have won in my lifetime I had 86, (don’t wanna talk about 88), 99, 2000, 2006 as highlights.
I have Piazza, Hundley, Cone, to name a few that I have enjoyed just to watch em play.
I am by nature a person that leans toward the underdogs (which is why I am a Jets fan).
I have this and much more I have memories of enjoying them win games while with my family and friends.
I will never trade that no matter how bad they get.
In the end a want what you want also for them to just win. I just want to enjoy the trip along the way and this year has been one of the hardest seasons I have ever endured.
The last time I felt so much pain was back in 88 ( I still refuse to talk about it) but I survived that and I am sure I will survive this because in the end,
It’s All Just A Game.
I hope you survive this also.
whataputz
8/2/2009-8:00pm at 8:00 pm (UTC -4)
lol i fell your pain too as a fellow jets fan, but it gets rediculous. They make me pay 25 dollars for some games to sit second row from the top near RF. I SHOULD GET MY MONEY BACK! I was born in 86. in my lifetime the marlins have won 2 ws with payrolls i could afford, and the mets have accomplished nothing. It’s sickening/ Jon garland held down the Mets today1 i went to a game this year where Joel Pineiro 1 hit us! when is enough enough. manny Ramirez was begging for a team all offseason. The second best player in the game, and we passed up on him1 I couldn’t give two you know whats about steroids. Abreu and hudson signed for peanuts. Why should i care abouit the mets when they neglect theiur fan base? Citi field is the biggest disgrace of a stadium I have ever seen1 THEY BULT A STADIUM THAT NOBODY CAN HOMER IN! what idiots! They built a memorial to a dodger! in a Mets stadium! They suck at everything and I hate watching them mail it in every year.
gategem
8/2/2009-11:52pm at 11:52 pm (UTC -4)
A friend claims that when his oldest son wanted to follow in his father’s footsteps and be an engineer he grabbed the box that the matlab software came in and beat him with it and then gave him a stethoscope. The son is now a prominent Doctor. When his youngest started to where his Mets’ cap he whipped the kids ass with the hat and gave the kid a Yankee’s cap. The lad thanks him to this day.
Mr North Jersey
8/2/2009-8:16pm at 8:16 pm (UTC -4)
Can we go 38-20 the rest of the way and finish with 88 wins?
gategem
8/2/2009-11:43pm at 11:43 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll consult my crystal ball. You know the same one that said the DOW was going to hit 20,000 and has forced me to come out of retirement.