Obviously this could not come at a worse time. Who would pay Beltran the remaining 37 million on his contract for 2010 and 2011? There may not be a position player on the Mets I like as much as Beltran and he is maybe the best all-around CF in the game. So why would I consider trading him? We have so many holes to fill.
As brought up by others on the Morning Thread, at this point the Mets are almost stuck into this:
Murphy, Castillo, Reyes, Wright, Fmart, Beltran, Frenchy, Santos
Johan, Pelfrey, Perez, Niese, Maine/Nieve/Scrub of choice
Krod, Parnell, Nieve, Green, Feliciano, Stokes, new scrub
Guys let me be first to say that is a 4th place team. That is not going to be enough to beat the Phillies, Braves, or Marlins baring that team going through what we did this season. We could bring in Halladay by trading all of our prospects and have a pitching first team. However, adding Halladay and shifting those guys down does not put us cream of the crop. Also it’s clear that the Wilpons will not increase salary enough to buy our way out of the hole. I am sure they will claim loyalty to Fmart and Murphy but in reality it will be the lack of wanting to trade prospects and the cash it will cost to do so.
So why Beltran? Why not Wright or Reyes? First of all Beltran is the oldest and most expensive. Obviously this will lower his value but his absence in the field could be covered much more than Wright or Reyes as we have no one to take their spots, although Beltran’s replacements are not as good they are capable OF. Beltran would give us options to add players through that trade as well as clearing cash. Trading Back to who would do it? I have no idea. This is where you guys come in…. My example would be Beltran for Loney and Martin, again I am not sure the Dodgers do that trade but it would fill 1B/LF and Catcher with younger cheaper players.
In my opinion candidates would be Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, White Sox, Angels, Rangers, Cubs, Giants.
Suggestions, Comments?
51 comments
saltygary
8/4/2009-2:33pm at 2:33 pm (UTC -4)
*Originally posted this on the opening thread to some confusion and didn’t get to reply in time*
Prove to the scouts that Reyes can run again and get him in some trade for a SP or 1b. Reyes is young and cheap. Then go out and get a decent SS like Orlando Cabrera (folks thought I meant Daniel Cabrera YIKES) to fill the spot. Murph is not going to cut it at 1b, the team needs power and someone like AGon can be had.
Beltran just makes too much money and he has been dealing with too many leg issues over the years. I think the team can get more out of Mr Reyes than keeping him on the team.
trs86
8/4/2009-2:49pm at 2:49 pm (UTC -4)
That’s the thing, yes we can get more in prospects out of Reyes most likely but we need prospects AND cash. Beltran free’s up MUCH more money to spend.
prismo
8/4/2009-3:08pm at 3:08 pm (UTC -4)
Check out metsblog TRS. This is at the top of the links post over there.
saltygary
8/4/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
Wow and the top link! This is big time guys.
saltygary
8/4/2009-3:26pm at 3:26 pm (UTC -4)
They’re gonna get some cash with Delgado and Wagner come off. I think Schneider probably gets a couple mil as well. I am not sure that enough will come back due to Beltran’s high salary. Reyes makes little and is still very young. I wouldn’t want to get rid of hom for propects, more to shake up the team and get more of a power bat.
Even though Reyes is my favorite, I just don’t feel that he will pan out to what a lot of us want him to be.
saltygary
8/4/2009-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
Bonus question. Without googling can anyone name who the actual player is on that Beltran Rookie Card. Hint, It’s not Beltran…
trs86
8/4/2009-2:48pm at 2:48 pm (UTC -4)
I can’t play because that’s why I put it on here. I think he plays for the Cavs now.
prismo
8/4/2009-3:12pm at 3:12 pm (UTC -4)
Juan Lebron!
mrose
8/4/2009-3:06pm at 3:06 pm (UTC -4)
i know the answer too…its hilarious
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/4/2009-3:10pm at 3:10 pm (UTC -4)
Got me all cracked up there. I was like “Who the hell is that??, did Beltran get plastic surgery done?”
Anyways, who is that?
proudmetfan
8/4/2009-5:42pm at 5:42 pm (UTC -4)
No way he got plastic surgery and STILL has that mole.
Mr North Jersey
8/4/2009-3:29pm at 3:29 pm (UTC -4)
It’s Me!!!!
whataputz
8/4/2009-4:17pm at 4:17 pm (UTC -4)
If Beltran comes back this season and proves he can still play at the level we are used to, then there is no logical reason to trade a powerful switch hitting who can hit .300 CF and has had 40 hr seasons, and has tore it up in the playoffs, and covers a tremendous center field and is used to Citi field….get my point? The guy is irreplaceable.
And can we get pat this whole trade reyes thing!! You guys are crazy, some of you want to trade both Reyes and Beltran! Those are two positions in which you rarely get offensive production and these guys give you both offensive and defensive production. I could somewhat see a rational for trading Beltran though it is stupid, but THERE IS NO REASON TO EVER TRADE REYES. WE SHOULD START BUILDING THIS TEAM AROUND JOSE REYES NOT DAVID WRIGHT. Yes, I said it. Everybody loves to say trade Reyes, but there is no player in the history of baseball that does what he can do. The guy can hit 15 plus hr’s, play outstanding shortstop, can hit .300, can steal 70 bags! And can take all the pitchers attention away from the heart of the order when he is on base. David Wright can be traded for a power outfielder and we can sign a Russel Branyon type player and not lose a beat, losing Reyes changes the entire foundation and style of the team.
CF and SS are the two most important positions and you guys want to get rid of them! How many teams have a great ss and cf? Not many. And the ones that do do places.
metsfan4decades
8/4/2009-6:51pm at 6:51 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one who did NOT want Reyes traded.
On that note, I guess he’s done for the season. In NY getting more tests, MRI, etc. as I write this…
njstuckintx
8/4/2009-10:05pm at 10:05 pm (UTC -4)
Plus there is that no trade clause thing…
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-4:46pm at 4:46 pm (UTC -4)
Hmm, which guys on the left is rustyjr?
rustyjr
8/4/2009-5:47pm at 5:47 pm (UTC -4)
huh? i’m the one that looks like and in shape Mason Reese
metsfan4decades
8/4/2009-6:51pm at 6:51 pm (UTC -4)
I know! I know!
Look just like your Daddy, Rusty.
Mr. Mets Butler
8/4/2009-4:48pm at 4:48 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve always figured by process of elimination that Beltran will be the core member to go if a trade is to be made. I believe the Front Office is too loyal to Wright and Reyes to want to trade them away. They have said it numerous times especially when it comes to Jose. IMO, Reyes is the one player on this team that is irreplaceable for all that he brings to this team as a fielder and a leadoff guy. Yeah, he can be immature at times but I have alot of man-love for the guy. I would not want to see him go.
whataputz
8/4/2009-4:49pm at 4:49 pm (UTC -4)
Exactly, I hate how everybody acts like Wright is above Reyes. Reyes is a much better player and is much more important to this team. Stupid mistakes or not, the guy is incredibly talented.
Mr. Mets Butler
8/4/2009-5:01pm at 5:01 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t get it either Putz. Everyone wants to trade Jose. I’m definitely not one of them.
rustyjr
8/4/2009-6:02pm at 6:02 pm (UTC -4)
agreed butler
joed
8/4/2009-4:53pm at 4:53 pm (UTC -4)
Hi Guys,
Greeting from Mets Merized Online!
I’d like to get in on this thread.
First, remember that Carlos Beltran has an iron-clad not-trade clause. It was that trade clause that resulted in him signing with the Mets instead of resigning with the Astros. With Boras as his agent, to waive that clause will require a minimum of a two year extension.
Second, even though there’s a small chance that Beltran returns this season, don’t forget that he still might have microfracture surgery after the season. The bone bruise never healed and didn’t even get smaller the whole time he has been out. He is only willing to play because against the doctors orders he is going to play with the pain, even at the risk of worsening the injury.
Under those two circumstances we might still be able to trade Beltran, but because it poses a huge financial burden as well as a significant injury risk to the receiving team, the Mets wouldn’t get anything back other than a mid level prospect coupled with a salary dump in return. And that’s assuming Beltran doesn’t reject the trade.
Nice idea though.
trs86
8/4/2009-5:21pm at 5:21 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, that was why I said it was improbable.
Mr North Jersey
8/4/2009-5:24pm at 5:24 pm (UTC -4)
Hey Joed, your welcome anytime.
You make some good points and Trading Beltran is something to consider but I think it should be reserved for July 31 2010.
Regarding his no-trade clause I don’t see him vetoing a trade so long as he is going to a contender. Especially since if he ends up having micro fracture surgery which seems like a strong possibility he may not be to excited to play with the organization.
The bigger question will be come 2010 is if FMart our future center-fielder or do we have to go out and get one?
trs86
8/4/2009-5:30pm at 5:30 pm (UTC -4)
I was actually thinking at that point going out and trading for Crawford and maybe Pena. Same money we were paying Beltran.
jaydh
8/4/2009-5:03pm at 5:03 pm (UTC -4)
I would trade beltran… he is injury prone and the oldest of the core. Trade him now before he gets even older and you cant get much for him.
proudmetfan
8/4/2009-5:18pm at 5:18 pm (UTC -4)
Okay, Beltran might be injury prone, is very expensive, and frees up space. But it comes down to the fact that hes probably the best CF in the NL. I just wouldnt trade such a valuable player.
trs86
8/4/2009-5:23pm at 5:23 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, it’s tough. I think the fact that Fmart is going to be here and is an OF and Beltran would free up 20 million for us to spend is the only reason I would think about it. Trading Reyes or Wright might fill one spot but trading Beltran could fill 2 regular players and free up money for another. In theory.
Nice to have you here either way.
proudmetfan
8/4/2009-5:32pm at 5:32 pm (UTC -4)
I just want to see FMart live up to the hype. I still expect great things outta him.
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-5:24pm at 5:24 pm (UTC -4)
How’d you like a lineup of:
Reyes
Abreu
Beltran
Vlad
Wright
Molina
Murphy
Castillo
A bench of:
Santos
Pagan
Reed
DeRosa
Lopez
A rotation of:
Santana
Lackey
Harden
Pelf
Perez
And a BP of:
K-Rod
Valverde
Rafael Soriano
Feliciano
Green
Stokes
Parnell
How much would that cost?
trs86
8/4/2009-5:28pm at 5:28 pm (UTC -4)
Your left nut.
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-5:30pm at 5:30 pm (UTC -4)
Only if you throw in one of yours for Manny.
We’d be invincible.
trs86
8/4/2009-5:31pm at 5:31 pm (UTC -4)
We could use Manny’s but they are most likely small and all shriveled up.
proudmetfan
8/4/2009-5:30pm at 5:30 pm (UTC -4)
more like both nuts
trs86
8/4/2009-5:32pm at 5:32 pm (UTC -4)
Well that’s a deal breaker. How could I celebrate when we won?
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-5:35pm at 5:35 pm (UTC -4)
You’re not giving Omar enough credit. He’s the KING of FA signings.
Mr. Mets Butler
8/4/2009-5:37pm at 5:37 pm (UTC -4)
such as Moises Alou of course.
saltygary
8/4/2009-5:49pm at 5:49 pm (UTC -4)
All set with Harden. That guy cannot get off the DL.
prismo
8/4/2009-5:53pm at 5:53 pm (UTC -4)
Can I have that team 5 years ago? Some of those guy are getting old and injury prone.
trs86
8/4/2009-5:56pm at 5:56 pm (UTC -4)
Picky picky picky.
trs86
8/4/2009-5:34pm at 5:34 pm (UTC -4)
I did not get a response on this but would the Dodgers do Loney and Martin for Beltran and some cash?
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-5:37pm at 5:37 pm (UTC -4)
Not likely.
Who’s out? Kemp, Ethier or Manny?
trs86
8/4/2009-5:39pm at 5:39 pm (UTC -4)
They could trade one of Kemp or Ethier for that top pitcher they want or move one to 1B as it would be open.
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-7:09pm at 7:09 pm (UTC -4)
They’re going for Adrian Gonzalez. All hitting, all the time.
proudmetfan
8/4/2009-5:38pm at 5:38 pm (UTC -4)
I wish we could throw someone Ollie. 800 something days and counting til his contract is done.
trs86
8/4/2009-5:39pm at 5:39 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I think it’s possible next summer but that would mean that we are out of it again. So uhmm, yeah we are stuck.
rustyjr
8/4/2009-6:05pm at 6:05 pm (UTC -4)
with jeffy running the show u r just about spot on with your observation btw u know wilpon jr went to palm springs cc – thats like going to a rich kingsboro – oh jeez we have a mental midgit as a owner – he never even played minor leauge ball one day in his life the expos drafted him as a favor to his dad – it figures !!
rustyjr
8/4/2009-5:48pm at 5:48 pm (UTC -4)
hey Chris Woodward is available !! our savior has arrived !!!
Mr North Jersey
8/4/2009-6:24pm at 6:24 pm (UTC -4)
OK SO Reyes is back in NY can we now shut him down and get him the help that it seems the Mets are failing to provide him?
Where else in MLB do you see this farce that is a medical evaluation?
When will the player’s union or Adam Rubin get involved and question if this team is acting in the best interest of these players with these diagnosis of day to day to day to day to day?
Diagnosis that only prolong the pain and in Beltran’s case may force some serious surgery?
Am I alone on this or what I mean if it’s not the Hospital for special surgery’s fault and I agree it is not then someone has to answer for this?
It is almost criminal.
trs86
8/4/2009-6:44pm at 6:44 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I don’t get it. These guys are not Brian Stokes and Fernando Tatis. These guys are Beltran, Reyes, Putz, Wagner, and Delgado.