“I don’t like them fellas who drive in two runs and let in three.” Casey Stengel
Here’s what you missed on Monday, August 3, 2009:
- This Day In Mets Infamy With Rusty – 8-3-09 by rustyjr
- Morning Open Thread by CaseStreet
- Mets in the Papers by CaseStreet
- Draft & Follow 8-3-09 by GravediggerHebner
- Gameday Weather 8-3-09 by prismo
- Next Deadline Approaches: Buyers or Sellers? by trs86
- Search for .500: Magic Beard Says? by trs86
- Game Thread: Mets (50-54) vs Diamondbacks (46-59) by dirtysanchez
- Post Game: Nelson Riddled by GravediggerHebner
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44 comments
dentulous
8/4/2009-8:21am at 8:21 am (UTC -4)
is anyone else not looking forward to this series? I mean Santana is on the mound and all, but you just know pineiro will throw a CG 1 hit shutout, and Niese vs Lohse?
charlie_s
8/4/2009-8:28am at 8:28 am (UTC -4)
I think I’m done looking forward to anything having to do with the Mets for a while. If Beltran, Reyes, Delgado, Putz, and Wagner were back today, that would be a different story. This team has got nothing.
dirtysanchez
8/4/2009-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
agreed charlie..im pretty much done.
charlie_s
8/4/2009-9:12am at 9:12 am (UTC -4)
sad…
we wait so long in the off season.
after yadier molina in 2006, the collapse in 2007, the collapse redux in 2008, and the MASHets and the impotent GM in 2009, how do we look forward to 2010 as a year the team competes for and makes the playoffs?
all hope is dashed until further notice.
dentulous
8/4/2009-9:15am at 9:15 am (UTC -4)
all we need is a good and exciting hotstove to get your hopes up for 2010. Oh wait….I forgot about bernie….
yeah, your right, no hope.
sabermetrician
8/4/2009-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
I agree Charlie, I think 2010 could be real bad.
We must address:
1B
C
LF
SP 2 and 4-5
LOOGY
We might need to address:
CF
We should address, but won’t:
SP depth
RF
charlie_s
8/4/2009-8:26am at 8:26 am (UTC -4)
8.0 games back of the wild card (again), five games under .500 (again), no chance in hell to make the playoffs (again).
dentulous
8/4/2009-8:31am at 8:31 am (UTC -4)
well, at least they had us going for that one week. Oh well….
charlie_s
8/4/2009-8:45am at 8:45 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, the season reduced to a week! It was a good week.
sabermetrician
8/4/2009-8:41am at 8:41 am (UTC -4)
We currently have the 10th worst record in the majors, if we can stay there or fall we’ll have a protected pick and signing a Type A free agent won’t cost us our first rounder.
charlie_s
8/4/2009-8:45am at 8:45 am (UTC -4)
Well, leave it to this team to screw that up, too. (But, good point Saber.) It would be nice to see the team be able to sign a type A and not deplete the farm.
trs86
8/4/2009-8:45am at 8:45 am (UTC -4)
No chance in that Saber, we will make a small run when the others come back. You can say you hope they don’t but in the end you know they will.
metsfan4decades
8/4/2009-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
I fear you may be right on this….
steveo
8/4/2009-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
Forget about the small run and the others comming back did you hear delgado last night he is at a minium 3 weeks out beltrans still in pain and reyes is done for the year forget about any streaks of winning
dirtysanchez
8/4/2009-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
and it will play out just like last nights game…rally back but no cigar…
sabermetrician
8/4/2009-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
I’m not convinced they’ll make a run. We just got pounded by what was the sixth worst team until they played us. Now they’re the ninth worst. That tends to happen when teams play us.
sabermetrician
8/4/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
Does anyone worry that the Wilpons will tighten their belts next year?
This is not a good team:
LF – mid level FA or Pagan
CF – Beltran
RF – Francoeur
C – mid level FA or Santos
1B – Murphy
2B – Castillo
SS – Reyes
3B – Wright
SP – Santana
SP – Pelfrey
SP – Perez
SP – mid level FA or Maine
SP – mid level FA
RP – KRod
Bullpen – small signings
We’re not good at SP 3-5, RF, 1B, and potentially LF and C
sabermetrician
8/4/2009-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
Before the Francoeur lovers jump on me, I realize he has been good with us, but that’s a VERY small sample.
dentulous
8/4/2009-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
yeah, that pretty damn putrid. That rotation kills me and that lineup is no good unless we get a really good 1B or a really good LF. If this is what 2010 is looking like, and my gut tells me it will be like that, we can concede 2010 as well.
sabermetrician
8/4/2009-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
I’m really worried about next year. Who are the FAs that we can get? It’s not an appealing class. The Wilpons and Omar chose not to carry a heavy payroll for one year when we could have had some really good FAs.
whataputz
8/4/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
If Beltran is hurt then we are screwed. However if he is healthy next year, there is no need to freak. Though i think they need another big bat. Beltran is the most talented player on this team outside of maybe Reyes. The team revolves around Reyes and Beltran, and it’s time management built the team around them.
steveo
8/4/2009-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
I think you hit right on the head.There won’t be any large contacts given out the mets seem to always get burned with them anyway look ,pedro betran wagner alou , all had good years but a had a year of the dl add degado to that as well and don’t let me go back into the past I’m at the pont where santanas deal is starting to handcuff them as well as beltrans.I think they want to keep payroll down to the 115 mil range
sabermetrician
8/4/2009-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
I’m terrified, this team needs to add payroll next year after the money comes off the books, but there’s no one worthy of a big deal. Santana’s deal will really hurt in a couple of years when he’s not an ace.
steveo
8/4/2009-10:39am at 10:39 am (UTC -4)
That 20 mill to beltran will hurt as we’ll for the next 2
sabermetrician
8/4/2009-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
It will if he’s not the Beltran he has been for the past three seasons. Which I’m worried he won’t be.
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
2010 will be fine. Haven’t you heard of The Real Dirty Project? (it’s like the Manhattan Project but w/ a bigger bang)
trs86
8/4/2009-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
Yup, I got it nailed.
gategem
8/4/2009-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
lol You intend to buy the team????
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
Oh how I long for the days of heartless and gritless baseball.
trs86
8/4/2009-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, at least that team HAD talent.
metsfan4decades
8/4/2009-12:20pm at 12:20 pm (UTC -4)
My biggest fear:
Due to $$ reasons we won’t due much over the winter. They’ll go with:
- FMart in LF, Beltran in C, Frenchy in RF.
- Murph at 1st, Castillo 2nd, Reyes SS, Wright 3rd.
- Santos will be back but probably will get another catcher.
- SP will look like: Johan, Pelf, Ollie, Maine, Niese/Nieve.
BP more/less the same with Wagner and Putz gone.
Bottom line is if they don’t manage to trade a few by waiver deadline (Wagner? Delgado? Schneider?) for some decent prospects and get one of at least two of a SP/LF, we might very well not be looking at anything exciting in 2010 either.
I have to believe between the money the Wilpons lost, the economy, FA not very exciting over this upcoming off season and the question marks surrounding who will be the GM and manager, I won’t be nearly as confident in the team we’ll have in 2010 going in, as I was this year when the season started…
prismo
8/4/2009-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
Helloooo 3rd place!
whataputz
8/4/2009-12:38pm at 12:38 pm (UTC -4)
Its so ridiculously hard to judge Murph. I just wish he played another position. I think he is starting to come around. i love the work ethic, and he really seems to be a winner. My only problem is his position. It’s tough to trot out a first basemen with his bat. If Murph played anywhere else he I would def give him another shot. Personally, I’d rather see the team go with a big power hitter at first base. However next season there is no one. If the Mets can bring in a huge power bat to play LF next season, and can bring in Molina to catch, then what the heck keep Murphy, but if they are going with F-Mart or Pagan, we need a power first basemen.
dirtysanchez
8/4/2009-1:07pm at 1:07 pm (UTC -4)
I think we need power…i dont care from where.
trs86
8/4/2009-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
Enter Vlad and Molina.
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-1:13pm at 1:13 pm (UTC -4)
Vlad, don’t you mean Ankiel?
trs86
8/4/2009-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
Yes I, I, I, do.
However, I am not Omar. Vlad is already shopping for a house in Queens.
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-4:32pm at 4:32 pm (UTC -4)
sweet. why not bring Manny too?
saltygary
8/4/2009-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
I’m fine with that OF if FMart can progress. The team needs a real impact 1B. AGon in SD is available and would be a great add not sure what else is available. If they can score a decent SP they wont be too bad.
As with last season I still think they need to get rid of Reyes while he is at his peak value. Maybe he can be a trade chip for that 1b or SP and then pick up a guy like Cabrera on the cheap.
trs86
8/4/2009-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
Daniel Cabrera? The one the Nats cut?
CaseStreet
8/4/2009-1:26pm at 1:26 pm (UTC -4)
recently picked up by the D-backs
trs86
8/4/2009-1:36pm at 1:36 pm (UTC -4)
Thing is why would we want him. His track record is even worse than Redding.
whataputz
8/4/2009-1:39pm at 1:39 pm (UTC -4)
If the Mets ever sign Cabrera I think we should organize a Citi field walk-out.
saltygary
8/4/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Orlando the SS. I don’t think I could watch a game if we picked up Daniel C.