When the cream just went on his hair
According to Jon Heyman at SI.com:
“• The last day to claim Gary Sheffield and Pedro Feliciano, two Mets of value on waivers, was Tuesday, and it’s still uncertain whether either was claimed. Before hurting his hamstring, Sheffield had interest from two AL teams. Feliciano had interest from many. But if GM Omar Minaya still thinks they are buyers, neither is going anywhere, anyway. Billy Wagner would clear waivers and would be a candidate to be traded, though, once he gets into a big-league game. He’s pitching in another rehab assignment on Wednesday.”
As of today there are still no rumors either way. Could this be why Sheff has yet to play or why Feliciano has not been pitching EVERY night like normal? I hope Sheff gets traded for anything but the idea of losing Pedro does not intrigue me at all. It would leave the Mets with NO LHRP for the upcoming season.
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wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:15pm at 2:15 pm (UTC -4)
The return for Feliciano would have to be pretty significant. It wouldn’t make sense to dump him or to take a flier on young minor leaguers. Feliciano could be part of a successful team next year.
If Sheffield can be moved for a young guy or two with a chance to become a player someday, they should do it.
Any interest from the Mets in Bill Hall? He’s got problems but he can hit for power and play over the place.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
Will have to wait 10 days right? Otherwise we would still be on the hook for his contract right?
stickguy
8/12/2009-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
yes, they have to let him clear to see what happens. For sure the Brewers would make you take him for the contract.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:25pm at 2:25 pm (UTC -4)
This is a confusing period though. One would assume that he has ALREADY cleared waivers as they would have put him on right away. Thus if he has already cleared and they DFA him do they still have the 10 days?
stickguy
8/12/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
if he cleared and they DFA him, then it would be like picking up SHeff.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
Waivers and DFA are different even if the result is the same.
They couldn’t release him if unclaimed on waivers until they DFAd him.
Silly.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:33pm at 2:33 pm (UTC -4)
I think you are right but if they DFA him then he has to go through waivers. LOL I am thinking it’s just 2 different waivers but again confusing.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
I think that’s right.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:16pm at 2:16 pm (UTC -4)
Hey, I read this on Metsblog too but I posted earlier today that I thought Sheff and Wagner to the Rockies would be a good deal. Wonder what we could get if it was Feliciano and Sheff?
trs86
8/12/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Here’s a strange idea for you. What about trying to get Jeff Francis from them? He is injured and not due to comeback until next year. They still owe him money and don’t really need him considering he did not do great in 2008 when he was healthy. Think they would give him up for Sheff and Wagner?
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:28pm at 2:28 pm (UTC -4)
I’d guess not but would sure love it.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:31pm at 2:31 pm (UTC -4)
His ERA was 5.01 in 2008 and they owe him 5.75M next season. Its really just as much of a gamble for us.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, but he was obviously pitching hurt.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:40pm at 2:40 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah maybe, even with all the wins in 2007 his ERA and WHIP trended up. But either way I would like to take a chance on him and I don’t think he would cost that much.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
He’d probably cream his shorts at the chance to pitch in Citi v. Coors… until he saw the defense behind him, of course.
But next year, with 2/3 of an outfield manned by Frenchy and Beltran and with Jose back with Wright and Castillo, the defense should be pretty good again, provided they acquire a legitimate LFer and a competent C and 1B.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
The Rockies have traded for Betancourt and Beimel so far this season. Not sure they’d go for another high priced vet.
How about taking on Garrett Atkins for the remainder of the season as an audition for 1B next season? Maybe he needs a change of scenery. He’s been a pretty good player until this season. If he doesn’t work out they let him walk.
Atkins and a prospect?
trs86
8/12/2009-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
I would not think they would trade Atkins when they are looking for a hitter and tied in the WC? We could always pick up the salary.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:34pm at 2:34 pm (UTC -4)
I think they were trying to move him at the deadline because he’s redundant with Ian Stewart around and gets paid $7m. He’s been bad this year.
re: Francis, his 2006 and 2007 seasons were very good (considering his surroundings). I’d guess that they will write last season off to injury and hope that he rebounds next year when he will be 29.
I suppose they might move him as a PTBNL but I’m not sure they would do it unless they got someone who could still be a help next year or the year after.
I like the idea though. And the Mets can afford to take a chance if they’re only trading two guys with limited value.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah they were looking to move him but he still has pop in his bat and no reason to move him now as you are not saving really any money now.
Their rotation looks pretty good, I guess it depends on if they plan on resigning Marquis but as WE know 5.75 is a lot to pay for a guy that you have no idea what he will pitch like.
stickguy
8/12/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
Sheff they should let go for any live bodies. He is out at the end of the year anyway, might as well get something now and just call up Evans to fill his spot.
Pedro is a tough call, but if they could get a real talent back (say, a viable young catcher? Or a Sp?) then it is worth rolling the dice. And hoping they can find another Loogy of the buppoen revolving door scrap heap.
For now, just call up Bostick. He is having a great year.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:28pm at 2:28 pm (UTC -4)
Agree on Bostick, hey Stick and Wanny do you guys think they would let Francis go?
stickguy
8/12/2009-3:43pm at 3:43 pm (UTC -4)
honestly, I havent heard r thought of Francis in ages, so I can’t say what they would do.
sabermetrician
8/12/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Great pic of Sheff and Doc. Wow.
And I love the line “But if GM Omar Minaya still thinks they are buyers…” Only Omar. LOL
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
I wonder who the AL teams are that were interested in Sheff.
If I had to guess I’d say Chicago was before they got Rios (could have platooned him with Thome who has been bad v. lefties this year) and played an occasional LF.
Maybe TB was the other because Burrell has been pretty awful.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:39pm at 2:39 pm (UTC -4)
TB no doubt, maybe even the RedSox with Ortiz and Vtek struggling. Angels maybe for DH?
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
Could be the Angels. But if I already led the AL in runs, I wouldn’t waste my time with an injury prone guy, who although he has behaved this season has a reputation for bursts of stupidity.
Besides, I think Vlad will serve the remainder of the year there while able bodies players man the outfield.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:49pm at 2:49 pm (UTC -4)
True, Hunter is still on the DL not that that matters much.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:46pm at 2:46 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, Moyer hit in the heart…. of his wallet.
Had Moyer stayed in the rotation long enough to make 30 starts and pitch 180 innings, he would have received $1MM more this year and $3.5MM more next year. He could still reach some of these marks, but it’s no wonder he’s disappointed.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:50pm at 2:50 pm (UTC -4)
Smoltz refused his assignment. I still don’t think he is done. Not saying I want him but I think he is not done.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
When i saw him at Yankee Stadium the other night he was still hitting the low 90s on the gun. I bet he could still be useful in the pen.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:58pm at 2:58 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, I would not mind picking him up to give him a few trys in Citi. He mentioned considering the Mets. I don’t dislike Smoltz because of the Atlanta connection. If the Sox release him I say bring him in. Can’t be that much worse than Livan.
udontmesswthejohan
8/12/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
The day they sent him down, I heard Francona essentially say that they didnt think he would be of much use in the pen since it takes him a while to loosen up as a result of the arm surgery. I dunno, Mets have to think long term at this point. he does nothing for me.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:20pm at 3:20 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe he could be a cheap setup man and or rotation filler next year, you never know. Is it any worse than throwing Livan, Redding, Figgy, and Elmer out there?
udontmesswthejohan
8/12/2009-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
I guess. I just feel like there are a lot of questions involved. Will he regain his control? Will he just retire?
At this point, we have enough question marks IMO.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
Pagan out of the lineup again today.
He’s arguably (and scarily) been the Mets best player recently. And Jerry sits him two days in a row because he (like everyone else) made a couple of errors.
trs86
8/12/2009-2:59pm at 2:59 pm (UTC -4)
I think there was a rumor on an injury too but… He’s also had a bad road trip. Maybe he just wants him to clear his mind.
whataputz
8/12/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
Is that Pagans first career injury? I like the guy and think he’s a good 4th outfielder, I like what I’ve seen from him when he actually plays, but enough of these walking injuries. I understand injuries can happen to anyone at any time, but can we try to bring in some players with a history of not being hurt every year.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
Like I said I am not sure. It may just be to clear his head or to make a statement. Who the hell knows?
udontmesswthejohan
8/12/2009-3:38pm at 3:38 pm (UTC -4)
I’m sure we could bring in a lot of guys who have never been injured, but they will probably suck. It’s frustrating I know, but when healthy I think this guy can be an assett.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
What about giving Pettyjohn a start? He has looked pretty good in his time with the Bisons. Also Aurthur Lopez a LHRP could be looked at too. Both of these guys are older so you don’t have to worry about a arbi clock.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:11pm at 3:11 pm (UTC -4)
arb clocks are based on service time, no? but i assume you mean it’s not a worry because no one would really care.
pettyjohn would awful in louisville and lopez hasn’t been very good in buffalo (22 hits in 16 IP and a low K rate) but i guess at this point everyone is worth a look.
i thought misch did a nice job as a LOOGY with the Mets; they shouldn’t ask him to do anything more.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:18pm at 3:18 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, Lopez’s hit rate is very high. 10K’s in 16 innings is not low but it’s not great. He does have good numbers against LH but yeah no reason to bring him up I guess.
Bostick I still don’t get.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
If I were the GM I’d be interested in calling up the following players on September 1 based on my conversations with patrons at Bagel Boss:
1. Bostick (not on 40 man currently)
2. Misch (let these two battle it out for possible spots as next year’s 2nd lefty)
3. Evans
4. Thole (only if the story about having to put him on the 40 man before the rule 5 is true and I don’t think it is because this is only his 5th minor league season)
5. Cancel (frees Omir to pinch hit)
6. and MAYBE one outfielder from among Jason Dubois (has a power bat), Josh Petersen (performed well at AA) or Lucas Duda (whose clock you probably don’t want to start ticking prematurely).
trs86
8/12/2009-3:27pm at 3:27 pm (UTC -4)
Bostick yes, Misch don’t care, Evans yes, Thole depends on how old he was when he signed, Cancel will be, Dubois will be and then another AAA filler guy will be. Kunz will be, Takawhatever will be, maybe awful Reyes. I expect them to bring in a lot.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:41pm at 3:41 pm (UTC -4)
It looks after 5 years in the minors you have to go on the 40 man (he was 18 when he played so he was obviously signed as an 18 y.o.).
So I suppose he will be have to be protected this year.
But if he goes on the 40 man in time for this season, will that count toward his arb eligibility? I think it might. For that reason he may not be put on until November.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:42pm at 3:42 pm (UTC -4)
There is some kind of rule about if you were signed at 17 isn’t there?
trs86
8/12/2009-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
My bad it’s 19
If a player not on a 40-man roster has spent four years with a minor-league contract originally signed when 19 or older or five years when signed before the age of 19, he is eligible to be chosen by any team in the rule 5 draft during the offseason.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
Eligible if you played 5 minor league seasons and were signed at 18 or under; or 4 minor league seasons if signed at 19 or older.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:27pm at 3:27 pm (UTC -4)
And if Fmart makes it back by then I’d put him in LF every day until he gets hurt again.
There's Always '10
8/12/2009-7:16pm at 7:16 pm (UTC -4)
Yea, I’d like to see three or four more at bats for fmart also
whataputz
8/12/2009-3:16pm at 3:16 pm (UTC -4)
Please explain to my why the Mets would trade their most tenured player, and a guy who has been constantly good and a major innings eater (over the course of the season), who is our only reliable left handed reliever? Do we really need one more thing on next years to-do list? When you play in a division against the Phillies and have to play them 19 times a year, it is pretty crucial to have a guy who is tough for lefties to hit coming out of the pen, and that is exactly what Pedro is. I don’t see who we are going to get that’s going to be worth trading Pedro. I’m scratching my head on this one.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
As I said Im am too, but I am guessing the return would be very good otherwise the Mets would just pull him back.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:25pm at 3:25 pm (UTC -4)
Who said they were trading him?
Usually every player on the roster gets put through waivers. The only reason Feliciano is among those being mentioned is because he is one of the few with any value.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:28pm at 3:28 pm (UTC -4)
Well few with any value that COULD be traded. Some were most likely claimed and pulled back.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:34pm at 3:34 pm (UTC -4)
It’s been a pretty disappointing season for Mets prospects. None of the advanced level prospects have really elevated their stocks this year other than Thole, Tejada, Davis and Duda – and only Thole has really put up numbers that catch one’s eye.
I can’t figure out who will be the system’s pitcher of the year…Jeurys Familia?
trs86
8/12/2009-3:40pm at 3:40 pm (UTC -4)
Why not Mejia?
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:43pm at 3:43 pm (UTC -4)
Has been injured and has only pitched 13 games this year. Has been very good at AA for a 19 year old but not great (3.74 ERA).
I think he returns today.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:47pm at 3:47 pm (UTC -4)
His other numbers are quite impressive besides just his AA ERA. However, you are right I did not realize how few starts he had in A ball.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:51pm at 3:51 pm (UTC -4)
He’s given up a lot of hits (9.7 per 9) and walks (3.7 per 9) at AA for a 1.47 WHIP. Again, not terrible for a 19 year old at AA, considering his strikeout rate — but not what you’d want for your prospect pitcher of the year.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:54pm at 3:54 pm (UTC -4)
Well if it’s just based on performance then you should give it to Figgy. If it’s based on potential it should be Mejia.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:57pm at 3:57 pm (UTC -4)
The award is usually based on performance. It very well may be Figgy. Figgy and Familia are the top candidates right now. Perhaps Brant Rustich too.
trs86
8/12/2009-4:07pm at 4:07 pm (UTC -4)
Rustich has only been in 16 games right with 45 innings?
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-4:14pm at 4:14 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, he was moved to relief this year. And also recently got injured again.
trs86
8/12/2009-4:17pm at 4:17 pm (UTC -4)
So he’s out.
stickguy
8/12/2009-3:48pm at 3:48 pm (UTC -4)
He’s lower down, but Lutz really shot up the charts too. He should be at AA already, but for some reason the “braintrust” is playing Melo (with an OPS that Santana would laugh at) every day at 3B in Bingo.
IMO, once they hit AA, then you can start evaluating them as to ML readiness and timetable.
trs86
8/12/2009-3:52pm at 3:52 pm (UTC -4)
Good question, he is already 23 and been in the organization for 3 years. Hmmm.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
He only played a game or so in his draft year and got hurt last year.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-3:55pm at 3:55 pm (UTC -4)
Lutz looks like he may be a big hitter. He’s battled injuries early on since being drafted in 2007 but has been very impressive in Hi A: .297 .394 .469.
It’s not a stretch to think that he might be considered the system’s best hitter by the end of next year.
My concern was more about AA and above.
stickguy
8/12/2009-4:04pm at 4:04 pm (UTC -4)
his numbers recently have been totally off the charts, so he really should get bumped up to AA.
That’s the Mets for you. Take a young guy that showed nothing and rush him, then hold back an older guy that is dominating his current level.
He was always a good hitting prospect, but pretty much lost 2 years to injuires, so is just not flashing his promise. He isn’t a fluke by any means.
If he could hit AA for 6 weeks, and continue to rake (and the big if, stay healthy!), he would be solidly in the top prospect pool for the Mets.
Also just the Mets luck, if they finally get a hitting prospect to be ready to come up, it would have to be a 3B!
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-4:11pm at 4:11 pm (UTC -4)
From what I’ve read he’s probably going to wind up at 1B.
prismo
8/12/2009-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
Uhhh according to MLBTR…they were both claimed, but the Mets pulled them back, so neither one can be traded at all this season. Yep. Your 2009 New York Mets.
trs86
8/12/2009-4:04pm at 4:04 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, but can’t hold it against the Mets. The claiming team may have not wanted to give anything for Feliciano and just claimed Sheff to keep the Mets from trading him. Example Phillies claim him. If they get him for free great, if not then the Mets get nothing for him from anyone else.
stickguy
8/12/2009-4:07pm at 4:07 pm (UTC -4)
could be, but I was assuming from the tone that they didn’t try to trade him. If your scenerio is true, then sure, keep him since he is so cheap.
trs86
8/12/2009-4:10pm at 4:10 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think if it were certain Stick that we would have had ANY stories about it. I am sure there were other Mets players claimed and pulled back immediately. Teams put almost their entire roster on there. The fact that it took longer to pull these two back may mean there were discussions. Like I said I would not be surprised if the Sheff move was just a block.
prismo
8/12/2009-4:07pm at 4:07 pm (UTC -4)
That’s only if you give Omar the benefit of the doubt.
(p.s. thanks for the post update)
trs86
8/12/2009-4:11pm at 4:11 pm (UTC -4)
You know I want Omar gone, but you also have to know he is NOT the only one making decisions right now. I am guessing big brother is watching him.
prismo
8/12/2009-4:18pm at 4:18 pm (UTC -4)
Unfortunately for Omar, this is his job. Whether or not he’s the one wearing the pants, he’s going to get all the credit and all the blame for player moves.
If they had traded Shef before the deadline, this stuff would’ve never been an issue.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-4:21pm at 4:21 pm (UTC -4)
I think Sheff was injured before the deadline.
Omar didn’t have much of a choice in the matter.
stickguy
8/12/2009-4:06pm at 4:06 pm (UTC -4)
I understand keeping Pedro, but what possible reason do they have for not getting a player for SHeffield? Does Omar still think they are making a run when the non-existant calvary comes back (next ST?)
bunch a dumb As in this FO.
trs86
8/12/2009-4:08pm at 4:08 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think you understand the rules Stick.
The claiming team does not have to offer ANYONE in return. They can just claim him and say we want him for free. The Mets would then say no we want so and so and then the claiming team can just say no thanks….
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-4:55pm at 4:55 pm (UTC -4)
It’s sort of embarrassing that for the second time in a couple of weeks the Mets can’t get a sniff off of one of the most hittable pitchers in the league.
whataputz
8/12/2009-5:02pm at 5:02 pm (UTC -4)
If you set a person out to compile a list of Mets embarrassments, you’d probably see the Mets win a game before it was finished.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-5:19pm at 5:19 pm (UTC -4)
Garland with 64Ks in 140 something innings coming into this game, just struck out three hitters in one inning.
whataputz
8/12/2009-5:21pm at 5:21 pm (UTC -4)
Wanny, are you really that shocked? Yes they should be able to muster a couple of runs, but just look at this line-up, it’s a little on the terrible side. Between the line-up and Ollie Perez’s “If I don’t throw strikes, they can’t get hits.” strategy, the Mets are not easy to watch.
whataputz
8/12/2009-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
So apparently Delgado is done. Nice knowing you, thanks for 2006, goodbye unless you;re willing to sign for peanuts.
Just shut these guys down already, this gets more ridiculous by the week. Seriously, do you really expect to see Reyes and Beltran play this year? I can honestly say I don;t expect as much as an at-bat from Jose, and maybe a cup of coffee for Beltran accomplishing absolutely nothing, and probably only aggravating his injury on the last out of the season.
sabermetrician
8/12/2009-5:09pm at 5:09 pm (UTC -4)
5 walks today. Pathetic.
I would like to hear from the offseason Ollie supporters. Are you waving a white flag?
whataputz
8/12/2009-5:12pm at 5:12 pm (UTC -4)
Its very hard to believe that if the Mets didn’t give him 36 mil he’d be in another uni. If I was batting against Perez I would not lift the bat off my shoulders until there were 2 strikes on me.
metsfan4decades
8/12/2009-5:56pm at 5:56 pm (UTC -4)
Close, very close.
If we were still in this, I’d be waving the white flag as we couldn’t afford these kind of pitching performances. But hey, we’re done this year, so might as well see what he can do.
His line this afternoon was typical bizarre for Ollie. 7 Ks, 6 BBs, 6 hits, 1 run. I don’t know how the hell he kept it to only 1 run with those numbers…
Kingman 26
8/12/2009-6:06pm at 6:06 pm (UTC -4)
Not waving a white flag, but tremendously disappointed and pretty surprised. This is NOT how Ollie has always pitched, and as we will be watching him a while longer, let’s hope he reverts to some sort of reasonable level next year where he can maybe win 12–15 games with an ERA under 4.
At this point in time, as I have been thinking a lot lately, the Lowe-not-Ollie people were the smartest in retrospect. If, even with all of the injuries, we had had Lowe instead of Ollie this year, we would very possibly be right in the mix of the playoff race.
GravediggerHebner
8/12/2009-6:27pm at 6:27 pm (UTC -4)
I was an Ollie supporter in October/November but by December I was off his bandwagon. I initially felt strongly that one should hold onto a young hard throwing lefty as there are many examples of lefties developing late in recent history. Then I got over the idea of worrying about “what if he ‘found it’ somewhere else?”
Then the contract he ultimately got seemed far too much to me, and while I was also not particularly impressed with the alternatives (not including Lowe in that group, who I was impressed with but at 4/60 I don’t consider him a real alternative) I thought the alternatives (Garland, Wolf and the rest) would come at lesser dollars for shorter years.
But regardless of my wavering and then my ultimate support of not resigning him, I am not waving a white flag yet because there is still roughly 70% of his contract remaining for him to “develop.” However remote or slight, the chance still exists so it’s too early to wave any flags.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-5:39pm at 5:39 pm (UTC -4)
Delgado strained his oblique during his rehab for his hip.
Amazin.
metsfan4decades
8/12/2009-5:58pm at 5:58 pm (UTC -4)
If they even think about resigning Delgado for next year then…well I don’t know what I’ll do.
He can’t play everyday anymore. He’s better suited for the AL and DH. Let him go. Hopefully, we learned something from Alou.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-6:14pm at 6:14 pm (UTC -4)
If not Delgado, Omar will try to sign Lou Gehrig.
whataputz
8/12/2009-5:41pm at 5:41 pm (UTC -4)
gotta love the wild pitch!
sabermetrician
8/12/2009-5:55pm at 5:55 pm (UTC -4)
We got a lead, Manuel is like, “Hurry get Ollie out of there, we might get him the win and justify the contract for the only GM that would ever hire ME.”
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-6:05pm at 6:05 pm (UTC -4)
I’m certain that only Ollie can pitch this poorly and still manage to leave on the winning side of the ledger.
It’s either luck or further proof that when he finally focuses (like when his back is against the wall) he can actually get batters out.
Why he needs to wait for the bases loaded before he executes pitches is beyond me.
whataputz
8/12/2009-6:13pm at 6:13 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t consider this start a success. He’s consistently 1 pitch away from losing the game early, and if this line-up was better he’d be screwed. However when you’re facing a line-up with a journeymen #3 hitter, you should be able to get out of jams.
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-6:16pm at 6:16 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think it is a success either.
Just noting that despite his horrible outing he might still get a win (unless Sean Green decides to hit another 8 batters).
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-6:12pm at 6:12 pm (UTC -4)
Well, this is what happens when you hit the leadoff batter.
How many guys is Sean Green going to hit with pitches?
whataputz
8/12/2009-6:14pm at 6:14 pm (UTC -4)
I think by only focusing on the hbp, you’re neglecting the genius in the strategy. If he consistently hits batters, they cannot get hits off of him. What would you rather have a hbp or a double?
wannybackstra
8/12/2009-6:19pm at 6:19 pm (UTC -4)
LOL. But he let up one of each!
whataputz
8/12/2009-6:19pm at 6:19 pm (UTC -4)
Kiss of death right there as Cohen points out Feliciano’s success against lefties.
whataputz
8/12/2009-6:21pm at 6:21 pm (UTC -4)
What I meant to say was the kiss of death when Gary points out his success against the first batter he faces. I was obviously proven wrong, but it does seem like every time that stat is pointed out he does get hit.
whataputz
8/12/2009-6:20pm at 6:20 pm (UTC -4)
Wow..great play on all ends….that’s why I continue to watch even as the team is done. Gotta love the game of baseball!
metsfan4decades
8/12/2009-6:37pm at 6:37 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe you should have turned it off there. LOL. As Green and Pedro give up the lead…
But Louis! Just put us ahead.
whataputz
8/12/2009-6:54pm at 6:54 pm (UTC -4)
Obviously I wasn’t talking about the score. If I valued scores, I’d hate the Mets lol. I just love things like that which make the game so exciting.
metsfan4decades
8/12/2009-7:16pm at 7:16 pm (UTC -4)
A WIN! I’m so excited.
It’s the little things….