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8/16/2009-8:16am at 8:16 am (UTC -4)
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8/16/2009-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
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8/16/2009-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
So is it safe to say the Angels knew what they are doing and we got a little duped? KRod is imo horrible! I say horrible in relation to what we thought he was. He has not been dominant one bit..yes he had a good first half but he still had men on bases all over the place..im very disappointed and dont think he is any better than he has shown. As long as he tops out at 92-93 imo he will be at best a slightly above average closer. The bright side is we got a decent contract and didnt totally break the bank. Ugh he is part of the core and failed miserably in doing his part in keeping us above water and respectable!!
8/16/2009-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
KRod always put guys on base with the the Angels. That’s why the Angel fans couldn’t take him. But hey, 62 saves. I think that record speaks for itself.
I would not go so far as to say he’s been horrible this year and failed miserably. Horrible was last years BP….
8/16/2009-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
Did you think we were getting a good closer or great? If you answer good than I guess the debate ends here. I thought great and imo I have the same feeling when he takes the ball as i did last year. I always for the most part felt good when wagner had the ball. I said horrible in relation to what we thought he was. yes he has been ok…Couple what i said and throw in the fact his fastball is now average if not below average for a closer and the angels didnt show any interest in bringing him back, I have my worries…..
8/16/2009-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
I can’t speak for MF4D and I know you didn’t ask me but I’m going to jump in and say “good.”
Having seen enough of his work over the years, he was great in 2002 and has been slowly declining from great since then. As MF4D said, his recent history is one of having many base runners, in other words a “heart attack” closer.
I was in many debates on MLBTR comment threads about “KRod or Fuentes” for the Mets this year and there were/are many KRod haters out there who point to his declining strikeout rate and decreased velocity, and wanted Fuentes.
But IMO KRod has “it” by which I mean I had no worries that he would come to NY and fall on his face, I was confident he’d come here and handle the media and the crush, and be good.
He’s still young, and he’s still good, but no I wasn’t expecting great. The # of saves he had last year was much more an indication of the team he was on than whether he is “good” or “great.”
But he’s not Mariano Rivera and never will be in terms of performance. He’s not Papelbon (who I also think has the perfect makeup for NY). He’s not even Joe Nathan, but who knows if Nathan could do it here? KRod is what he is, which is good, not great IMO, but has the mental makeup to roll with the ups and downs of NY and not lose his mind.
8/16/2009-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
Well said. I agree with what you said except I think he will get worse not better especially when the league gets to know him. he falls behind too much and cant rely on his fastball anymore…too many times this year the one thing he didnt want to do was give up a HR or a hit at a critical point and he did…not good. I know this isnt very technical or stat oriented but one aspect on how i judge a closer is how comfortable i feel with a 1-2 run lead going into the 9th. I feel nervous as hell with KRod. Also werent we being sold come the 8th with a lead the game was over. Well Putz got injured and Krod has not been good and a leader in getting it done when he is one of the last core members left. That says alot imo
8/16/2009-11:14am at 11:14 am (UTC -4)
You know what it is amazing what Mariano has done. He doesnt throw 96 anymore and he hasnt blown a save in over 30 tries!!!! he is the best closer period! It really is sick.
8/16/2009-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
I more or less agree with Grave, also.
I think KRod is way too young though to write him off as getting worse. If he’s worth his salt, he’ll adjust.
And Mo…to me he’s the best closer ever.
8/16/2009-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
i just wanna add that to call krod “horrible” is def one man’s opinion.
Has krod been a poor closer this 2nd half? yes, but before we condemn him to the eternal pits of hell we call “A Minaya Bust” please consider we do not know if he is playing through injuries (maybe the back is nagging still), also consider the long stretches he went without getting regular work , the way Manuel has used him and the epic fail of just not being in the heat of a pennant race.
Now maybe you r correct and he only gets worse. Time will tell and considering nothing has gone right for us this season I would not be surprised if your predictions turn out to be true.
The light of misfortune eventually has to shine somewhere else so I will hope your opinion remains just that an opinion and nothing more.
8/16/2009-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
I said horrible in respect to what we were promised and thought he would be. the 9th is hardly a lock at this point. Also the not getting enough work is a joke and a poor excuse. if we have to give him close games ans save chances 5 out of 7 days we are in trouble. I am not second guessing the move in fact i thought and still think for the money it was a no brainer. im just saying he isnt that great and i dont expect him to get better imo. i did expect great out of him maybe thats my problem lol
8/16/2009-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
Oh well considering I was expecting great from every1 else also I’d say Krod is just where he should be.
8/16/2009-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
Please bare with me and criticize this all you want. Im just speaking from the heart. If I was the owner of the Mets and I had some of the most disappointing seasons on record would I make maybe one or two exceptions for 2010. I would have told Omar get VMart and dont worry about the bill for 2010 in regards to him. My gift for the team I love! I know Omar you will have to worry about replacing Delgado’s production, get a power LF, get another top line starter, and a couple of other holes. As the owner and a Met fan this is my gift to u Omar. Dont worry about a catcher for next year. You have VMart a guy with some power and can play 1st! You can get him for probably Parnell and a singlke A bum. Do it Omar and I got his check. Dont thank me Omar just make good moves and bring us back to the post season next year.
Update: VMart is a Redsox and been great since being one.
8/16/2009-12:20pm at 12:20 pm (UTC -4)
Update, you continue to ignore EVERY published report by baseball experts and nonexperts who have read almost 100′s of columns that have put the price for the Mets for Vmart at Holt and Mejia or Meja/Holt and Niese. That is a lot to give up for basically 1 year of Vmart because he would not have made a difference this year.
8/16/2009-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
disagree. you dont know that one bit so all we really have to go on is what Boston gave up. I think we could have worked it out!
8/16/2009-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
You can’t go based on what Boston gave up because we don’t have those players. Unless you were going to trade our players to get the players that Boston traded then in turn to get Vmart. LOL
Otherwise you have to go by EVERY published baseball report that put the price at a combination of Holt, Mejia and Niese.
8/16/2009-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
1 year of mart or missing playoffs by 1 game or collapsing?? hm im going with winning now unless of course we are rebuilding frfom now til when beltran leaves, etc
8/16/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
The point is that Vmart wouldn’t have made enough of a difference to get this team into the playoffs this season. This team is seriously lacking with hitting, and that was BEFORE David was out for weeks and potentially the rest of the season. Don’t even get me started about the pitching! One player would not have made the difference, and the Mets would’ve had to give up multiple top prospects.
That said, thanks for having passion in your posts…it makes it more fun around here. Keep it up.
8/16/2009-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
haha thanks but this move would have been for next year. Of course he wouldnt have made a difference this year. It would have been nice to not have to worry about a catcher next year unless of course santos is our starter lol. listen VMart plays 1st as well. a nice little backup in case our golden boy Murph isnt the answer. To me it makes sense on numerous fronts! yes giving up holt and meija and niese would have been too much but i along with many others including Boston’s front office didnt think it would take that much.
8/16/2009-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
I will agree with TRS that it was widely speculated that it would take a Holt and Mejia or Meja/Holt and Niese to get VMART.
I will also agree with Joe that we will never know for sure what it would of taken. It is possible that it would have required even more than that. Who really knows?
I personally would of done the deal if it was for the above players but I am more cutthroat and only care about now.
In reality who can say what would of happened if we got vmart maybe the team would have lifted their spirits and a domino effect would of ensued pushing us into wildcard contention. We will never know.
So what are you debating a what if that will never be resolved.
It’s going to be a long winter.
8/16/2009-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
haha well put. imo you arent cut throat. We in NY are always in a win now mode. Yes you have to be smart and not throw the whole farm system away. So if most of what i hear on here that 2010 isnt the year more like 2011 than is this without Beltran. Delgado will most likely be gone, we never picked up that bat we have needed, and now starting pitching is an issue. What about the 8th inning without putz or wagner? My point is not worrying about the catcher position next year along with adding some pop would have been nice!! Who are we getting to replace delgado’s production> if we do i guess getting another power bat is out of the question. im rambling but my point is filling the catcher position while adding pop, because it wont come from 1B or LF next year, would have been nice.
8/16/2009-1:29pm at 1:29 pm (UTC -4)
A healthy Beltran in 2010?
Who replaces Delgado’s power in 2010?
Who will be the 8th inning setup guy in 2010?
What will our Starting Rotation be in 2010?
Do we trade the farm or not, and for who in 2010?
All questions we will spend all winter discussing believe me. If you thought Manny talk was excessive “you ain’t seen nothing yet”.
8/16/2009-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
The one time I sleep in late and of course the code goes all screwy. Apologies to all that had to stare at code for 3 hours.
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