Beltran and mole will stay in NY
From the world of things I already knew, Alex Speier, reports the Mets won’t entertain trading Carlos Beltran. Hat tip to MLBTradeRumors for the link.
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Oct 26
Mets won’t trade Carlos Beltran
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41 comments
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-2:14pm at 2:14 pm (UTC -4)
BTW, Vlad has said his mom doesn’t like CA. Anyone want Vlad in LF and Delgado at 1B? That’s some power. Then we got Pagan and Murphy in case they get injured. Also prob save money to get Lackey and upgrade C, SP or BP.
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Vlad
Frenchy
Santos
trs86
10/26/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
BIG IF, they both will sign 1 year incentive deals that only tie up 10-12M before incentives I would consider it. Key would be first locking up Lackey. No way we could go with those two and then have to settle for Marquis.
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-2:31pm at 2:31 pm (UTC -4)
Yup.
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-2:35pm at 2:35 pm (UTC -4)
You’d have to imagine Vlad and Gado will be availabe way after Lackey signs.
dirtysanchez
10/26/2009-3:36pm at 3:36 pm (UTC -4)
I think vlad and gado should be at best a LAST OPTION. Even though these two are classic omar signings…hopefully he will learn from his lessons of 09
wannybackstra
10/26/2009-2:36pm at 2:36 pm (UTC -4)
Anyone want to guess why Guerrero played only two games in the outfield this year?
If anyone guessed “because he was absolutely awful for threee straight seasons” they have won!
-13.7, -17.5 and -15.1 UZR/150 from 2006-2008, respectively. Not to mention the 60 games he didn’t play in this season and the 20+ last season due to injury.
Too late for Vlad. We had our chance.
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-2:44pm at 2:44 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think you need to look up any stats to know Vlad is awful in the OF, however he does carry a Big Bat.
wannybackstra
10/26/2009-2:51pm at 2:51 pm (UTC -4)
But do you really want to put an unathletic and injury prone outfielder in LF at Citifield? Especially one that is no guarantee to be that big bopper for 150+ games (hell, he barely made 100 games this season without having to even play the OF)?
I could see going with a butcher out there if he’s going to hit 40HRs (i.e. Adam Dunn). But Vlad’s not that guy anymore.
trs86
10/26/2009-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
We know he is not a 40 HR guy for sure. What we don’t know is offensively what he is any more. Most likely he is an .850-.880 OPS guy.
trs86
10/26/2009-2:50pm at 2:50 pm (UTC -4)
But if it came down to lets say 1 year of Vlad at 6M plus incentives or your guy Byrd I think I pick 1 year of Vlad and hope.
wannybackstra
10/26/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
That assumes two things: 1) that Vlad will accept an incentive-laden deal with a minimal guarantee (and I wouldn’t make such an assumption because he can probably still make good money somewhere in the AL), and; 2) that he is willing and physically able to even make it out to the outfield.
Also Vlad has always been a rightfielder. You think he is willing to change positions at his age and risk his health (he is clearly in no condition to be running around in the OF) for an incentive deal?
And I’m not sure why the decision has suddenly become choosing between Vlad and Marlon Byrd. I’m fairly certain there are other options out there.
trs86
10/26/2009-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
I just said that below. I said IF up there. There will be more options for sure.
But you are right about the assumptions. Those are there for a lot of players. Lackey assuming he will sign in NY…
njstuckintx
10/26/2009-2:50pm at 2:50 pm (UTC -4)
Wasn’t something similar said about Alou? Granted Pagan is a better back up that what we had for Alou, but then again, Pagan get’s hurt just as much…
trs86
10/26/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
True, but this is under the assumption they are doing it to avoid long term deals AND spend money on Lackey. If that is not the case then no there is no case.
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
Vlad will be 35 next yr. That’s much different than a 40 year old Alou.
I mean if the Dodgers can live with Manny in LF, couldn’t we with Vlad.
fongy2
10/26/2009-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
No we can’t! Vlad is an OLD
35,apparently hasn’t been aided by ‘roids
and we don’t have the young
OF talent the Dodgers do nor
a replacement like Pierre.
To even consider Vlad at this point
would be foolish and thank God that
even Omar can
see that!…..
I think:)
njstuckintx
10/26/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
Is it though? Vlad is looking like an old 35 these days…
fongy2
10/26/2009-3:10pm at 3:10 pm (UTC -4)
I read this posts and
I think out loud…
“God in heaven”
How can it be the legit Met/baseball
fans continue to think
fantasy league team or
that older,broken down
players won’t con’t to be old and broken down?
I mean, I was a huge Delgado fan and backer,defending him
against many of you who
wanted to just shuffle him out of here despite
being the main reason we were even contenders in’08, BUT
it’s over!, it’s done!
He is an aging player coming off a serious
injury after having just recoved from a bunch of other injuries.
Loved Vlad too BUT again,it’s about over.
The last contract was the one to sign him to not the next one.
It’s time to move on to
younger,healthy players
who if not better atleast will be able to be counted on to be able to play everyday.
We’ve been down this road SOOO many times that its hard to understand how any Met fan can advocate under ANY circumstances bringing back/in guys like Degado and Vlad,
Especially after what we witnessed THIS past
season. It’s time to look foward not back,
wishing and hoping for
guys to return to what they were 2,3 or 4 yrs
ago when they’re now in their late 30s and were no longer in the steroid era.
I for one cannot take another season like this one.Watching and aged Vlad and or Gado
stumble and fumble around in the field if
they even can stay healthy while putting up maybe two-thirds the
numbers they did a few
years ago makes no sense.
wannybackstra
10/26/2009-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
Amen.
trs86
10/26/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
I actually think in terms of 1 year guys there will be some value out there. Perhaps we would be better off with Cameron on a 1 year 6-8M deal? Pop and defense.
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-2:59pm at 2:59 pm (UTC -4)
Aside from Holliday and Crawford, Cameron would be the guy to go after.
trs86
10/26/2009-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
I think there are a few. I like Ankiel on a low risk 1 year deal too. No reason we could not sign both and trade Pagan.
fongy2
10/26/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks but no thanks to the
mental case Ankiel!
stickguy
10/26/2009-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
that iece on MLBTR said that he wanted to stay in CA., and that his mother was happy there.
Case, are you interpreting this differently than I am (quote from Vlady):
“I’m not thinking so much about the uncertainty, but I’m thinking about my mom and how comfortable she feels in Anaheim. That’s always one thing that I’m going to think about regarding free agency. It would be very gratifying to continue to play with the guys I’ve known here and have gotten used to.”
Not that it, IMO, matters. Vlady is a shell of his former self at bat, and is not qualified to be a regulart OF anymore.
How can people still be calling from Omar to get vlad, after years of roasting him for banking on guys like Alou?
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-3:18pm at 3:18 pm (UTC -4)
Wow! I totally misread that. I thought he said uncomfortable. My apologies to everyone.
Still, he’s gonna hit FA.
fongy2
10/26/2009-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
And not much more.
wannybackstra
10/26/2009-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
Something to keep in mind is that Matt Holliday worked with Mark McGwire this past offseason on his hitting. I’m sure part of McGwire’s selection had to do with courting Holliday to stay in St. Lou.
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-3:09pm at 3:09 pm (UTC -4)
What was the knock on Byrd again?
fongy2
10/26/2009-3:16pm at 3:16 pm (UTC -4)
He’s fat, doesn’t care and ain’t that good!
Except for that…..
metsfan4decades
10/26/2009-3:32pm at 3:32 pm (UTC -4)
Why was there even a rumor about trading Beltran?
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
some Boston rumor about how the Mets suck and could trade Beltran
metsfan4decades
10/26/2009-4:09pm at 4:09 pm (UTC -4)
Well, gee – doesn’t Boston have a clue WHY we sucked this year? Could have something to do with fielding a triple AAA team and NOT having Beltran most of the year.
Some fans live in a bubble of their own team only….
fongy2
10/26/2009-4:16pm at 4:16 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed!, let them lose Youk,
Pedroia,Bay,Ellsbury the majority of the season and Papi,Drew and Beckett for a
couple months as well and lets see how they compete with anyone in the AL much less the yanks.
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-4:31pm at 4:31 pm (UTC -4)
this was the original article:
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?articleid=1207132&format=&page=2&listingType=mlb#articleFull
“The Big Apple’s other team has descended back into the depths of mediocrity the past two years. There has not been a word about the team going into rebuilding mode, but Beltran, arguably the best defensive center fielder in the game the last few years, has $18.5 million left on each of his remaining two years in 2010 and ’11. He also has a full no-trade clause.”
“Ellsbury is likely to stick in center field, but if you are looking at contingency plans in case the Sox do not re-sign Bay, this one qualifies as the kind of creative thinking Epstein and Co. have displayed regularly. If Hanley Ramirez was worth calling about last winter, Beltran certainly is as well.”
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-3:34pm at 3:34 pm (UTC -4)
ok, no on Vlad, but there really isn’t a perfect player for LF. Maybe Holliday or Bay, but they also have their issues, whether it’s cost, defense, etc.
There’s old guys like Anderson, Damon, Floyd, Manny, Shef, Winn, Cameron, Abreu, Dye, etc.
There’s questionable guys like Byrd, Ankiel, Willy Mo, Baldelli, Crips, A. Jones, and Nady.
There’s expenisve guys like Holliday and Bay.
There’s no power guys and bad defense guys.
There’s really no one w/o issues. So what issues are unacceptable? And which will we be willing to live with?
fongy2
10/26/2009-4:00pm at 4:00 pm (UTC -4)
The perfect player(for our LF)
is Crawford and with both the prior rumors of him being shopped AND him entering the final yr of his contract,
he is the first guy Omar should call about!
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-4:26pm at 4:26 pm (UTC -4)
I agree, but even Crawford has issues since he doesn’t hit like a corner OFer and will cost prospects, that may further deplete the “barren” farm system.
GravediggerHebner
10/26/2009-5:14pm at 5:14 pm (UTC -4)
They shouldn’t trade Beltran now. They shouldn’t trade anyone when their value is down.
We need to make a list, come to some sort of consensus on which Met players’ values are up, and consider trading those guys instead.
CaseStreet
10/26/2009-5:49pm at 5:49 pm (UTC -4)
Ike Davis would start that list. Went from dud to stud in 1 season.
wannybackstra
10/26/2009-7:16pm at 7:16 pm (UTC -4)
Read recently — I think a Jim Callis chat on ESPN.com — that the BA Mets top 5 prospects will be Davis, Martinez, Flores, Holt, Mejia and Niese (not necessarily in this order).
I don’t view this as a positive because other than Davis there was no real movement here and all four of the other guys were either injured or simply did not perform well this season. In other words, no one has emerged from the farm system, other than Davis, who might be a hot trading chip.
The closest things are probably Josh Thole (whom scouts don’t seem to favor highly) and Jeurys Familia, who is a ways away.
trs86
10/26/2009-7:18pm at 7:18 pm (UTC -4)
Holt and Mejia showed some progress but like Martinez injury played a part. Niese had a decent year after a horrible start, I still think he will be able to help next year. Who knows what to expect with Fmart and Flores.