Well that’s great, my article disappeared. So I don’t feel like retyping the entire thing. Here’s the link: Market for Hermida. Enjoy.
Oct 29
Real Dirty Rumor: Mets Interested in Hermida
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34 comments
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
Well, he’s still only 25 and had a ton of potential as a minor leaguer (.284 .398 .436) and had a very nice first full year – .296 .369 .501. Since then he’s been banged up and disappointing. He has always hit very well outside of Florida: .276 .359 .456
I’d say it’s too soon to give up on his potential. But I don’t see the Mets as being in position to take a chance. If he can be had cheaply enough to justify stashing him as a 4th outfielder with the potential for growth and some timesharing with Frenchy here and there, I’d gladly take him on.
trs86
10/29/2009-1:15pm at 1:15 pm (UTC -4)
But what if the plan is to net him for LF and spend all the money on pitching?
Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Beltran, Hermida, Frenchy, Murphy, Santos/Barajas? Is that good enough with signing Lackey and a good setup man?
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-1:18pm at 1:18 pm (UTC -4)
That’s a good question.
I’m certainly in favor of dumping as much available money into the staff. If getting Lackey, Pineiro and Mike Gonzalez (just for examples) means settling on Hermida, Frenchy and Pagan in the corners then I think it merits consideration presuming there is a reasonable expectation of health for Reyes and Beltran.
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
For M4D following on a brief discussion from the other day:
Joe (Frozen Tundra, N. Colo)
What conclusions–if any–do you draw from S. Strasburg’s performance in the AFL thus far?
Klaw (1:10 PM)
None. AFL performance is not meaningful.
R.Gil (Verona,NJ)
It sems like alot of talent has left the AFL and it also seems like the talent level is not as high as previous years. What level of the minors compares the AFL ?
Klaw (1:12 PM)
And the reason the stats there aren’t meaningful is that the level of competition is really broad. You have top-flight guys (Strasburg, Scheppers, Cashner) and you have non-prospects. Even within one game, a hitter might see four pitchers all across the talent spectrum.
Matt (Philly)
If performance in the AFL isn’t meaningful, do you think that he shouldn’t be there at all? Or is this providing experience?
Klaw (1:13 PM)
It’s valuable experience. I think just about any reps are good reps for a prospect, and within an AFL stint every player will face a few good pitchers/hitters. I just don’t read anything into the overall stat lines.
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
That said, I’m sure AFL performances have convinced other front office/scouts on certain moves.
metsfan4decades
10/29/2009-1:39pm at 1:39 pm (UTC -4)
Hey – thanks, Wanny.
And I hope you’re wrong with your comment below and our FO doesn’t take the stats as translation on what these kids will do on a ML level….
Have to take chances on some, but that’s what regular minor league levels should be for. Trying to weed out those that can be successful in the ML from those that likely won’t pan out.
stickguy
10/29/2009-1:31pm at 1:31 pm (UTC -4)
interesting player, but only if they get him for little return (although 3.4-4mill seems kind of low for a salary dump, but it is the Marlins!)
Has not been good since 2007 (opps+ of 91&96), and doesn’t have a tremendous omount of power (HRs in the teens). lso not a great defensive player, right?
So unless they think he is a world of talent waiting to bust out at 26, is he just another 4th OF?
Is he worth 4 mill more than Nick Evans, or some other guy out of the minors?
I keep going back to the blow the budget on pitching option, with cheaper upgrades at the other holes.
Keep the IF, and add barajas as the 2nd (1st?) catcher with Santos.
Beltran in CF (duh) with Carter, Hermida, Pagan and Frenchy for the corner OF rotation and bench.
Add Lackey and Harden for the rotation, and Lyon or Gonzolez (or that other Braves BP guy) for the pen.
Barajas – 2 mill
Hermida – 4 mill
lackey – 16 mill?
Harden – 7 mill ? (go 3/21 + incentives)
Lyon – 3 mill? (or gonzolez or ??
total – 32 million, or roughly the budget to spend.
-Johan/lackey/harden/perez/pelfrey in the rotation.
-K Rod/(lyon-gonzolez)/Pedro F/maine/stokes/parnell/neive in the pen
-Neise in AAA, and maine & Neive available to step nto rotation. Maine could also be in rotation replaceing Perez.
castillo/reyes/wright/beltran/frenchy/LF/murphy/Barajas
OK, maybe not the most power packed offense, but the team is dead if DW and Beltran dont add some HRs this year anyway. ANd at least it has length, and tons of doubles. Lots of speed up top too. And pop in the 8 hole.
But man, that could be a really, really good pitching staff. And there is even solid, ML quality depth in the 6-8 holes, important to cover for harden.
That, and you could do the same team, but swap Holliday for Lackey, and insert maine int the rotation. Pitching down, but offense up (assuming, logically, that holliday will outperform a combo of carter/pagan/hermida. although that trio could give you a nice output with a manger (IOW not jerry) that can smartly mix and match).
I will give with loading the pitching, and making do with the hitting.
oh, even better? The only prospects lost are the minor ones sent for hermida. AAA could actually be stacked with F Mart, Thole, Tejada and Davis.
metsfan4decades
10/29/2009-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
I too am all about pitching, pitching, pitching…
In your roster above, what happens to Maine? Trade?
stickguy
10/29/2009-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
I had him slotted into the pen for now.
Ideally, if guys like Neise and Maine all proved healthy and deserving of starting, the Mets would put the cherry on top of my sundae by trading Ollie away, freeing up even more cash to put into other holes.
An Ollie for a LF swap would also be interesting, but the only salary dump guys I know of (GMjr and Bradley) I want no part of!
trs86
10/29/2009-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think what is holding Ollie on to the Mets has anything to do with need right now.
metsfan4decades
10/29/2009-2:33pm at 2:33 pm (UTC -4)
Oops, sorry – I see Maine in your BP now.
I think it’s a given we’re stuck with Ollie for 2010.
dirtysanchez
10/29/2009-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
Herm is an upgrade over pagan, so i guess it just depends on his asking price. I hope the mets dont think herm is the power bat for the OF. I would like the Mets to take a look at cantu…i think he would be a great fit for us but i dont see that happening.
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
With a new GM in San Diego, speculation may begin as follows:
Adam (San Diego)
I’m a Padre fan and Adrian Gonzalez fan. However, I think Hoyer needs to trade Gonzo now at peak value and plug Blanks in at first. Do you agree with this notion? What sort of haul do you think he could get in return?
Jim Callis (2:34 PM)
I agree as well because the Padres aren’t going to win in the near future and Blanks needs to play first base. I think Gonzalez would bring back a package of 3-4 quality prospects.
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-2:56pm at 2:56 pm (UTC -4)
A couple of other nuggets from Callis’s ESPN Chat (he is a BA editor, by the way):
- does not emphasize AFL stats or performances;
- his gut instinct is that Mejia and Holt both wind up as relievers;
- projects Ike Davis as a solid regular, not an all-star.
stickguy
10/29/2009-3:03pm at 3:03 pm (UTC -4)
my gut tells me that Mejia will be a SP. Also not to have a triple been burrito for lunch.
metsfan4decades
10/29/2009-3:10pm at 3:10 pm (UTC -4)
So based on his gut on Davis, Mejia and Holt, would it then be prudent to try a trade for Gonzalez? Say, using those 3 as a starting point?
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-3:46pm at 3:46 pm (UTC -4)
As I wrote below, I’m not sure SD would have much use for Davis unless they thought he could be a RFer.
Assuming Callis is right on all three (and of course he is not always right — no one evaluating prospects is ever right about much), is the difference between an All-Star 1B and a solid regular one worth two power relief pitchers?
Tough call.
trs86
10/29/2009-5:41pm at 5:41 pm (UTC -4)
His gut just seems to anti-Mets on the surface. To me it appears as he ate a Philly cheesesteak for lunch and has indigestion. Maybe he is right but I don’t see how right now you can call Mejia a reliever. I could agree on Holt right now.
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
Now for Gonzalez, I’d be pretty willing to trade just about whatever 3 prospects the Pads wanted.
I don’t know if this would be agreeable to San Diego but I’d probably offer a package of something like F-Mart, Holt, Pagan and Parnell.
I value Mejia more than Holt. Jed Hoyer may differ but I don’t think Boston necessarily preferred college pitchers over non-college pitchers.
SD has no use for Dan Murphy or Ike David with Kyle Blanks ready to play 1B.
I suppose they may be interested in some other high end prospects like Flores but I figured I’d offer major league ready (or close to it) stuff to start.
trs86
10/29/2009-5:43pm at 5:43 pm (UTC -4)
No doubt that I value Mejia more than Holt right now. I think you are forgeting something you remind us of. Davis can play LF/RF too. Murphy not unless they saw him as a utility guy and you don’t trade Agonz for a utility guy.
Here’s a quesiton, what about Maine? would they be interested if we paid his way?
stickguy
10/29/2009-3:00pm at 3:00 pm (UTC -4)
Interest piece on the news last night (off this topic, of course).
Not sure if the NY stations are all yeankees, all the time, but the Philly stations pretty much are (pushing aside the usual 20 minutes of neighborhood murders).
Turns out the ticket prices for the WS on the secondary (stub hub) market are actually cheaper for yanker stadium. Could partly be related to the weather, and weekday vs. weekend, but mostly it is because way more yankee fans are selling tickets.
For all the “greatest fan” (lupica) business, the philly fans are the ones that will actually put up the money to see them play!
trs86
10/29/2009-5:44pm at 5:44 pm (UTC -4)
Wonder what the seat difference is in what each stadium holds?
CaseStreet
10/29/2009-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
Man, I’m really jacked up for tonight’s game.
I’d love to see Pedro win, Yankees lose and the Yawkee fans jumping off the bridge
Kingman 26
10/29/2009-3:36pm at 3:36 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, that would be pretty damn nice, now wouldn’t it?
CaseStreet
10/29/2009-4:09pm at 4:09 pm (UTC -4)
it’s been a fun day for me
I celebrated w/ a Carl’s Cheesesteak, yum
Mr North Jersey
10/29/2009-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
OFF TOPIC but if you wanna get in on an interesting debate and help out generating some traffic head on over to Phillies Phandom post
http://www.nleastchatter.com/philliesphandom/2009/10/28/breaking-down-the-positions/
We are debating who is the best CF in baseball Beltran or Victorino according to Matt Beltran is 3rd best in the NL.
CaseStreet
10/29/2009-4:08pm at 4:08 pm (UTC -4)
destroyed
wannybackstra
10/29/2009-4:12pm at 4:12 pm (UTC -4)
I was going to join in but it’s really a stupid argument and there’s no way to participate when the arguments are:
1. Victorino is better than Beltran because Victorino won a WS and because Victorino has more heart (correct me if I am wrong but did Philly not have Chase Utley, Ryan Howard and Cole Hamels last season? what did Victorino will the team into?);
2. Michael Bourn is better than Carlos Beltran (I don’t even care what the reasoning is (obviously it is because Bourn was a Philly minor leaguer) because it is utterly ridiculous;
3. Rollins is better than Jeter because Rollins has more heart and thrives in the dramatic situations (forget that Jeter not only produces twice the offensive output that Rollins has but that Jeter is the gold standard for the things Rollins supposedly does do well in “clutch” situations). Hello?? The most ridiculous of them all.
mrbill
10/29/2009-4:49pm at 4:49 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah! bottom line is Phillies won last night because the mets are injured.
trs86
10/29/2009-5:47pm at 5:47 pm (UTC -4)
What the hell does that have to do with it Mr. Preperation H?
metsfan4decades
10/29/2009-5:08pm at 5:08 pm (UTC -4)
Oh brother….rolling my eyes.
I can’t get involved in that debate. In fact, that’s not a debate, that’s just the ‘homer’ fan base yammering.
There is no way Victorino is better than Beltran. Don’t even need to explain why to any intelligent baseball fan.
Bourn? Really? I mean, Really?
Rollins better than Jeter? hahahaha. Not only do the stats not support that argument, Jeter also is way better at dealing with the media (if you wanted to count that as well).
You know Jeter is a going to the HOF. Rollins, on the other hand, is not.
trs86
10/29/2009-5:45pm at 5:45 pm (UTC -4)
I HATE position by position breakdowns to determine the quality of a team.
saltygary
10/29/2009-4:41pm at 4:41 pm (UTC -4)
Off Topic but I’ve had this vision all day.
Pedro is going to take the mound and settle down and pitch 3 strong inning, frankly he’s gonna look circa ’98. Then in the 4th it all changes and he just starts thrown these meatballs and within a flash there are 5 runs on the board with no outs. As he gets the hook and walks off the mound he rips off his Phillies jersey only to display the beautiful blue and orange looks at the away dugout, flips the bird to the whole team and proceeds to exit the field crew door. It’s gonna happen I feel it in my bones.
CaseStreet
10/29/2009-5:31pm at 5:31 pm (UTC -4)
lol, Pedro was on point against the Dodgers and you know he’s gonna be pumped to pitch in NY again.