Nov 05
I am not sure if there is a vaccine for that or not but at least it happen to the Sox.
As usual thanks to MLBTR for the link: Red Sox Acquire Jeremy Hermida
In all seriousness, I hoped the Mets would be able to take advantage of that but maybe it would have been very difficult for the Mets and Marlins to work out that kind of deal. In related news what does that do to the Redsox? Will he just take Rocco’s spot or is this something larger than that?
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68 comments
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-6:52pm at 6:52 pm (UTC -4)
It’s a nice move for the Sox IMO because there are so many possibilities:
-Starting corner OF (worst case)
-4th or 5th OF
-future trade bait
He turns 26 in January, there are so many ways his career could go from here.
I should add I consider the Sox a superior team to the Mets and in that vein a team better able to deal with the wide variance in what Hermida might be for them, I’m not sure the Mets are as equipped to have him on their roster should he go bad.
trs86
11/5/2009-6:55pm at 6:55 pm (UTC -4)
Unless he was to compete for LF and allow money to spend on pitching, I agree.
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-7:10pm at 7:10 pm (UTC -4)
I certainly see your point. Perhaps I’m overreacting to last seasons “throw a mil here, a mil there” approach because so many guys got injured and what initially seemed like perfectly reasonable small tries suddenly added up to a handicap.
If I’m committing say, 3 mil to him, I’d rather just wait around and see who this year’s 5 mil Bobby Abreu is going to be. Now if you tell me there is no one who will be that, then I may soften my stance on Hermida. Not that it matters much now.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:12pm at 7:12 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah true, but I also think that guessing right on young guys like that helped the Phillies. Who knows what will be available at the end you are right.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:02pm at 7:02 pm (UTC -4)
Cerrone what the hell? Does this mean he is good?
“making just one error in 205 chances in both left and right field.”
whataputz
11/5/2009-7:03pm at 7:03 pm (UTC -4)
This doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t want what if’s and okay’s. Message to Omar: I’ve just watched the Philles make 2 consecutive world series, and the Yankees just win one. I have watched for the last 3 years horrific baseball. Get Halladay or get a big name lfer and get two..not one..two big pitchers. No more coming up short. We got a powerhouse in our division, time to get on their level.
stickguy
11/5/2009-7:13pm at 7:13 pm (UTC -4)
If you want to be picky, the phils only have 1 “big” pitcher this year (since Hamels sure didn’t pitch like one).
there best OF is Werth, not a traditional big name (although maybe he has made himself into one), and a 38 YO guy that needs abdominal surgery, who is a nice player, and just happened to have a career 1st half this year!.
It’s the damned right side of the infield that kinda blows the Mets away (especailly when our Left side was MIA this year).
trs86
11/5/2009-7:19pm at 7:19 pm (UTC -4)
Compared to the Phillies our left side is still solid. Feliz’s OPS was under .700 this year and Rollins was right ahead of him at .719. Wright was at .837 in a bad year and all the garbage and a partial year of Reyes still most likely put up better numbers than Rollins.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:14pm at 7:14 pm (UTC -4)
So lets see, get Holliday and two big pitchers? So uh Lackey and uh who ever the mystery big name guy is. Spend 50 million dollars. LOL.
whataputz
11/5/2009-7:24pm at 7:24 pm (UTC -4)
So then how do you defend the yankees! We are the number 2 spending team and yet you laugh at the aspect of us spending 50 mil. We’re coming off 2 heart breaking seasons followed by a terrible one. We actually can justify spending money, yet the yankees spend 400 mil on 3 players after winning 89 games. Ok lets say we add lackey. Our staff still blows, not mediocre…blows! Johan is coming off an injury lackey pelfrey is unreliable and pencil in 2 spots with our maybes and somedays and if they were healthies. Okay lets add holiday..our lineup still isn’t great, especially considering our staff would still suck. I’m not interested into gradually building up for 2011..no thanks.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:30pm at 7:30 pm (UTC -4)
I defend the Yankees only in the idea that they CAN do it if they want. They don’t care about the luxury tax.
The Mets however, my favorite team, DO have a budget and do not want to go over the luxury tax. Thus while you would like for them to get Halladay, Lackey, Holliday and spend a billion dollars it is not going to happen and I don’t want to win that way. Leave that for the Yankees.
And the Yankees did not spend 400 million in one season and actually lowered their payroll from the year before if I remember correctly.
And if I remember correctly, before all the injury concerns wasn’t this terrible team in 1st place? We don’t need a super star at ever position to compete with a team that does not have a super star at every position. We just need to spend up to whatever budget is set and do so wisely.
whataputz
11/5/2009-7:36pm at 7:36 pm (UTC -4)
Carlos Delgado was also a 30+ hr hitter at that time..I don’t think Murphy is producing that. I don’t even want holliday, heck I’m not even big on Lackey. I think this fa class sucks. However I firmly believe that we need 2 pitchers. I’m not saying its going to happen but we need 2 pitchers to be considered an actually ws caliber team. Not only that, but we need a power bat, and another hitter that can either bat 280+ or hit 20+ hr’s. …that’s what we need. Whether that’s going to be addressed now, or in 2 years or never, that’s what this current roster as it stands needs to win.
Also we had a lights out pen in the start of the year, and despite some magazines..I said from the beginning of last season that Pelf as our 2 was getting us nowhere, and though injuries clouded everything, I still believe that would have been the case.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:41pm at 7:41 pm (UTC -4)
BELIEVE
I believe we would have at least won the WC, who is right? We have no clue.
However, I am confused even more now. Are you now saying we need a power bat AND a guy who can hit 280 (not sure what that has to do with it?)? Where would that guy play? Catcher? Who is that Molina? I guess he could hit 280 and have an OBP of .281?
I just don’t see us as that far away from competing. We need solid guys at all of these positions, of course one should be a star. LF, front end SP, back end guy to compete with Maine, a setup guy and a catcher to pair with Santos. That should make us more than competitive.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:46pm at 7:46 pm (UTC -4)
They are very similar plans except I don’t think they all have to be high priced stars.
whataputz
11/5/2009-7:30pm at 7:30 pm (UTC -4)
prospect*
trs86
11/5/2009-7:33pm at 7:33 pm (UTC -4)
And hmm, so
Johan, Lackey, Pelfrey, Perez, and Maine (or whoever fills the last spot)
does not compare to (not only does not compare but blows)
Lee, Hamels, Happ, Blanton, whoever?
OK
whataputz
11/5/2009-7:42pm at 7:42 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, yes in fact it does. Lee is better than johan, Hamels is worse than Lackey, but younger and a world series mvp, happ is very good and young, pelfrey is mediocre and young, perez is horse manure, and jon maine is just as likely to pick up a baseball this year as he is to get hurt. Also the phillies have a lineup that can supplement bad pitching, we don’t.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:45pm at 7:45 pm (UTC -4)
Not the point, you said the Mets staff would blow, does that mean the Phillies pitching staff will blow next year?
How much better is Lee than Johan? How much better is Lackey than Hamels? With the season he had Hamels compares more to Pelfrey than Lackey. Happ could easily go down like a lot of 2nd year guys and they don’t even have a #5.
whataputz
11/5/2009-7:55pm at 7:55 pm (UTC -4)
okay so they need to fill their 5 spot after 2 consecutive world series appearances haha they’re so screwed! We have literally 2 guys that are definately in our staff johan and pelf. Why does Maine deserve an automatic spot? Why does Ollie from a non contract standpoint deserve to pitch? Then you have a jumble of players. Not to mention we have a mediocre 1b with little power, two empty outfield spots, and 2 mediocre at best catchers. And I know your counter argument will be this is exactly why we cannot commit so much to two players, but I will say this. We should resign Delgado if he will come for less than if we re-sign him. Its a gamble that I think is worth it. We need to make a big trade and try to acquire a big time player with a small contract, like an Adrian Gonzalez. I know its a tall order, but i really think we need to make another Johan type ground breaking move to sstir up some enthusiasm with this team, and bring some life to this fanbase that desperately needs a pick-me-up.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:56pm at 7:56 pm (UTC -4)
Again you said the Mets pitching staff would blow next year if they just signed Lackey. My point still remains would the Phillies staff also blow?
trs86
11/5/2009-7:59pm at 7:59 pm (UTC -4)
Hmmm 2 empty OF slots? So you said we needed a guy who could hit .280 or 20 HR yet Frenchy does not count?
whataputz
11/5/2009-8:05pm at 8:05 pm (UTC -4)
Ya idk why i forgot frenchy so you got me there. I don’t understand your Philly question, but they did just win two consecutive pennants. Also, you can have a lesser staff when you have the bets line-up in your respective league.
trs86
11/5/2009-8:25pm at 8:25 pm (UTC -4)
My main beef is with the comment that a rotation with Sananta and Lackey would blow but yet the Phillies rotation would not blow.
How many rotations besides the Braves would be better than either?
whataputz
11/5/2009-8:36pm at 8:36 pm (UTC -4)
so we have 2 good pitchers, 1 mediocre and 2 empty spots filled with whatever garbage we can piece together. Lee hamels blanton happ are all solid pitchers.
trs86
11/5/2009-8:40pm at 8:40 pm (UTC -4)
I am not sure what Happ will be? Why will he not go through what most guys do? The top 3 in the rotation to me might even favor the Mets. Johan, Lackey, Pelfrey could be much better than Lee, Hamels, Happ but you are right the back-end could hurt both teams. Unless the Phillies pick up a #5 then I will take even Perez or Maine over Moyer.
trs86
11/5/2009-8:45pm at 8:45 pm (UTC -4)
I mean right now the Phillies rotation is
Lee, 2 mediocre pitchers in Blanton and Hamels and Happ who is prime for having the same thing that happen to Hamels and Pelfrey happen to him and then a garbage pitcher.
whataputz
11/5/2009-8:56pm at 8:56 pm (UTC -4)
O man you are delusional if you think Cole Hamels is that bad. He’s a good pitcher. Don’t compare him to Pelfrey or our other garbage time pitchers. And once again you’re missing a huge fact. THE PHILLIES HAVE THE BEST LINEUP IN THE NL! They can have an ok pitching staff. We need to have a good to great one to compete.
trs86
11/5/2009-9:06pm at 9:06 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, so Hamels gets a pass even though he was average at best last year but Pelfrey does not.
Anyway, I am not missing the point. My point has stayed the same. You said the Mets rotation would blow and I say if that is the case then so would the Phillies and almost every team in the NL.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:09pm at 7:09 pm (UTC -4)
Hmm just when I was going to go after Mattsblog: Man what is going on in Mets nation?
“I would put the signings of Holliday and LAckey on the top of my list. They are musts. The I’ll go get Olivo/Molina or BArajas. Then I ‘ll get MArquis. I’ll tweak both the bench and bullpen. Then maybe I’ll look at Orlando Hudson and trade Castillo.”
trs86
11/5/2009-7:11pm at 7:11 pm (UTC -4)
So, yup lets see
Lackey 18
Holliday 18
Olivo/Molina 6
Marquis 8
Hudson 6
Eat some of Castillo’s cash 3
59 million dollars LOL. RIGHT.
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-7:19pm at 7:19 pm (UTC -4)
Well I see on the right side of the screen that Delgado and Schneider have officially filed for FA.
If I add their 2009 salaries to the $21,375,000 “savings” that Macks Mets says the Mets have already had this off season, the Mets have so far “saved” $38,275,000 this off season.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:20pm at 7:20 pm (UTC -4)
I have not been there, what is his point of the saved so far list?
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-7:22pm at 7:22 pm (UTC -4)
Essentially he starts with the Mets 2009 salary figure, then as the Mets release players he “subtracts” their 2009 salary from that figure and voila! Savings.
http://macksmets.blogspot.com/2009/11/mets-hot-stove-updated-salary.html
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-7:24pm at 7:24 pm (UTC -4)
Actually, I just re-read it and the Mets 2009 total salary is not mentioned. He just adds up the 2009 individual salaries of anyone no longer on the team to come up with the figure.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:26pm at 7:26 pm (UTC -4)
Hmmm so that does not take into account player raises or anything of course. But I guess my question is still what is he implying from it? Is he saying that they are going to skimp and not spend this off-season or just random information.
wannybackstra
11/5/2009-7:29pm at 7:29 pm (UTC -4)
He just tallying how much money comes off the books as it happens.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:30pm at 7:30 pm (UTC -4)
So random. In today’s Met kingdom there are so many that say the Wilpons are cheap I thought it might be something to do with that.
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-7:39pm at 7:39 pm (UTC -4)
Wanny phrased it much better than I did.
All I can add to the way Wanny described it is that the figure does include anyone picked up by the Mets so far too, so the ML minimum contracts of Jack Egbert and Chris Carter are factored in.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:42pm at 7:42 pm (UTC -4)
And Bowman I guess too.
But still confused on the motive. Maybe there isn’t one.
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-7:51pm at 7:51 pm (UTC -4)
No mention of Bowman, I guess we should subtract 400,000 for his ML minimum contract. He did have Putz subtracted but that’s the most recent one.
As best as I can tell, there is no motive or agenda, it’s simply informational. “Here’s what has been removed minus what’s been added.” What we do with it is up to us I guess.
I suppose it can be used as a rough guideline to determine how much the team has to spend for 2010, but with the knowledge that some of that must go to arb and raises for players already on the team, and under the assumption that they’re going to spend exactly the same as 2009.
trs86
11/5/2009-7:57pm at 7:57 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, but that would be very misleading because the arbitration and salary increases are significant if I remember correctly.
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-8:06pm at 8:06 pm (UTC -4)
I agree that it could be misleading, but he is calling it “savings” and showing a detailed list of all the comings and goings.
I suppose he is trusting his readers to be smart enough to factor in that other stuff.
We are doomed.
But seriously, I have no concept of how arbitration raises are likely to work out, but I can tell you that contractural obligations (raises) are as follows:
Santana – $1 mil
KRod – $3 mil
Wright – $2.5 mil
Reyes – $3.25 mil
So that’s $9.75 mil for those 4 guys. Everyone else under contract stays at their 2009 rate.
You seem to have some feeling for arbitration, if you want to tackle that go for it. I’m sure you’ve done some figuring in that regard already to come up with the rough spending figures you’ve put forth in the past.
wannybackstra
11/5/2009-8:14pm at 8:14 pm (UTC -4)
Bowman would only receive a pro rated share of the major league minimum for games he actually plays for the Mets.
GravediggerHebner
11/5/2009-8:19pm at 8:19 pm (UTC -4)
I hear you Wanny, but that only adds to the confusion of the thing, because as part of his total “savings” he is including the full major league contracts of Wily Mo Pena, Jon Switzer and Connor Robertson among others.
Perhaps we should simply ignore this whole “savings” phenomenon.
wannybackstra
11/5/2009-8:27pm at 8:27 pm (UTC -4)
I’m all for saving. I’m just not very good at it.
fongy2
11/5/2009-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
You got that right Wanny.
Good job fellas today.
I checked in to get my mind away from
watching the tragedy down in Texas.
Surprised by all the news.
A few thoughts, Godd for you Bobby Abreu! Class guy,good player who we
should have signed a yr ago.
Good luck Red Sox trying to make
Hemeida care. Thank God we didn’t go in that diection.
So long Gado, Thank you for your service,hope you find a DH job
for 2010.
So long J.J., you Putz!
We hardly knew ya.
Good posts earlier on the subject,
and I agree that Omar HAD to made this move last year BUT really shouldn’t he have had to pass
a physical? Don’t fret fellow Met
fans over Carp.Saw him plenty for
almost 2 yrs. Think Jack Cust….
maybe. And b/t/w, we alredy have
another Mike Carp in AA ,his name
is Lucas Duda. Except, hes not even as good a fielder as either Carp or
Cust!
Nice old fashion baseball deal,
Teahan for Getz.
Someone wake up Omar!
Tell him the markets now open.
trs86
11/5/2009-8:42pm at 8:42 pm (UTC -4)
Hmmm I am out of the loop, what happen today outside of TRDMB?
trs86
11/5/2009-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
What happen in Texas?
fongy2
11/5/2009-8:58pm at 8:58 pm (UTC -4)
Is there any doubt that the ChiSox
will lookto dump Dye’s contract ?
And with Getz gone 2B looks like
its pretty open there.
Any chance Ozzie is a Castillo fan/friend from their Miami days
and convinces Williams to take his
contract for Dye?
Yes I know hes 36 and clearly on the down side but maybe?
–OR– How ’bout taking on Dye
for Frenchy AND filling LF with
more of a Speed/Defense type
player?
trs86
11/5/2009-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
Why get rid of Frenchy? Why not put Dye in LF? Unless you think they are picking up Dye’s option if so they are insane.
fongy2
11/5/2009-9:13pm at 9:13 pm (UTC -4)
Thats what I’m saying/asking.
Either Dye in LF,
if for Castillo
OR RF for Frenchy.
Also,
I wasn’t sure you were serious about not knowing
about the Fort Hood
shooting incident.
trs86
11/5/2009-9:18pm at 9:18 pm (UTC -4)
No I am serious, I have not watched a bit of news.
But as for Dye he may not even have his option picked up is my point. If I were the Sox I would not. I certainly would not want to trade Frenchy for him AND pay him that much.
trs86
11/5/2009-9:19pm at 9:19 pm (UTC -4)
I am guessing he gets bought out and hits the market. 12 million is a lot for Dye.
trs86
11/5/2009-9:19pm at 9:19 pm (UTC -4)
And his RF defense is terrible, he needs to move to LF or DH.
fongy2
11/5/2009-9:27pm at 9:27 pm (UTC -4)
Understood.I just checked out his contract and my mistake.Top of my head , thought it was 10or12mil for 2010.Didn’t realize it was amutual option. Also,wasn’t advocating for him,just curious.
Not exactly a guy I’d like to count on @36,coming off a .250 season but again figured we could get rid of Castillo and/or Frenchy.You’re right though, I could see them just paying the mil and move on.Much like us and Gado.
trs86
11/5/2009-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
Why would we WANT to get rid of Frenchy though? I am lost? He did fine while he was here and I think deserves a chance next year. If we did want to get rid of Frenchy I am sure we could get more for him and if not we are not on the hook for anything right now anyway. He’s an arby guy.
trs86
11/5/2009-9:31pm at 9:31 pm (UTC -4)
I can understand Castillo as he is overpaid, older and signed for 2 years. Frenchy is underpaid, young and is an arby guy.
trs86
11/5/2009-9:26pm at 9:26 pm (UTC -4)
Damn that is bad. Thanks for letting me know that something had happen. I have been at basketball all afternoon until I logged back in here.
fongy2
11/5/2009-9:32pm at 9:32 pm (UTC -4)
If you were playing,I envy you. I’m an old ballplayer,H.S.,J.C.& adult leagues ’til I was about 32/33. I’m in an adult Volleyball league here in Central PA.and @ 44 man are knees shot!
I couldn’t even imagine how bad I’d feel if still playin’ hoops!
trs86
11/5/2009-9:34pm at 9:34 pm (UTC -4)
Nah, I am a coach. I stopped playing when the kids I was coaching were all better than me. LOL.
fongy2
11/5/2009-9:41pm at 9:41 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!..You got the right idea.My Nephew is a pretty good player in upstate NY,set the freshman scoring record,was tri-capt as a soph and co-capt now as a JR.His friend and capt from last yr is now a Penn Quaker so,pretty good ball-players.When I visit him now,hes still trying to get me in the backyard with him. I keep tellin’ him,those days are over.
The kids too big AND too good now. I tell him my games gone from Bobby Jones light to Kurt Rambis light. I dont think he gets it.
trs86
11/6/2009-7:38am at 7:38 am (UTC -4)
It’s unbelievable how athletic today’s kid is. The art of shooting is lost but hell I can’t get a shot off against some of them. I still know the game so much better and can hold my own just because of that but it takes so much energy just to make a common pass. LOL.
fongy2
11/5/2009-9:35pm at 9:35 pm (UTC -4)
Not saying I WANT to move Frenchy,
Its just that I’m not so sure he’ll ever give us much more production
than he did this half-season.
Not sure he’ll ever be what
people thought he could a couple/three yrs ago.
trs86
11/5/2009-9:38pm at 9:38 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe not. That being said he is now on a team that has not got those same expectations for him. Now we are hoping he can produce some decent RBI numbers low in the order. But to me with all the holes the Mets have to fill there is no reason creating another one. The guy is a guy who plays everyday and has no history of injury. I am ok with giving him at least until the ASB next year.
fongy2
11/5/2009-9:45pm at 9:45 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Plus I think getting him out of his hometown can only be
helpful.Not too many times you here that about coming to NYC,huh?
Its funny though, cause his career went down hill after his best pal and house mate
McCann,got married and moved out. Who knows?
It would be sweet though if he suddenly
became what the Braves thought he would……
in a Met uniform.
fongy2
11/5/2009-9:47pm at 9:47 pm (UTC -4)
Should have read “hear” not
here.
metsfan4decades
11/5/2009-11:50pm at 11:50 pm (UTC -4)
Just stopping by to say that the Hot Stove has barely begun and as always, this blog is right on top of things. No one is missing a move.
I’m enjoying the heck out of all the debates you all are providing on the various opinions for the direction of our beloved team. Most of you are far ahead of me on having all the details. What? –Do you all have indexes cataloged in your brains on stats, contracts, $$, etc? I guess some of you have access to better websites than I. Keep it coming though b/c now I don’t have to look up much, just have to read it here…..
Prayers and thoughts to those tragic victims at Fort Hood. Sometimes I wonder what in hell happens to people to cause them to do the things they do.
Reverse of that though is Girardi early this morning, coming back from the WS celebrations and seeing an accident, stopping, practically risking his life crossing lanes of highway with fast moving cars to get to the victim. Kudos to him….
trs86
11/6/2009-7:40am at 7:40 am (UTC -4)
Girardi is a class guy. So many of the Yankees through history have been and it burns my pants.