MIKE FRANCESSA IS RIGHT !!! There I said it !!! – and I feel so dirty by admitting it ! But after listening to the fat man’s daily five hour exercise in megalomania I came away with a sense that he is some sick and twisted way actually trying to help us Mets fans . First off Mike kinda pooh pooed the reports that the Mets front office is split in their hot stove philosophy, and they will be aggressive in both the free agent and trade market. He also advocated that Omar should target Roy Halliday as a top acquisition to pair with Johan Santana as the most potent one – two punch in the entire National League. He also stated the Mets must sign Matt Holliday at any cost – citing that the Mets popularity is receding faster than Brian Schneider’s hairline and to not import top flight talent could have serious ramifications for years to come. Fortunately or unfortunately ( which ever way you want to look at it ) The Fat Man has the ear of Fred & Jeff Wilpon along with Omar, So I guess its good to see someone calling them out and railing against the initial reports that the Mets were not inclined to spend so much money this off season . And I agree with the twitter feed of Hot Foot columnist , Anthony DeRosa , in which he points out ” If Holliday & Bay are too expensive for the Mets, your tickets are too expensive for me!!” – Well said Anthony !
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                                                                   ” ARE YOU LISTENING?”
And now it is time for a steamy pile of INFAMY !!
Happy Birthday to setup man from the ’06 team -Roberto Hernandez (1964) . Hernandez was a panic move by Omar after Duaner ” Dirty” Sanchez fell victim to a separated shoulder after being involved in a freak car accident while trying to sate his appetite for some Dominican food the fateful July night in Florida. So we traded Left Fielder Xavier Nady to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Hernandez & future headache & financial burden , Oliver Perez. Hernandez pitched well and Ollie pitched the game of his life in game seven of the ’06 NLCS , albeit the Mets lost (DAMN YOU YADIER MOLINA !!!)
Pitcher Dave Telgheder is 43 (1966) , Dave will forever be known as the first Met to win a subway series against the Yankees. ( or was that Milicki ? – oh well)
Utility infielder José Offerman is 41(1968) .
Jack of All Trades – Damion Easley turns 40 (1969) . I seriously wished that the Mets would have brought him back last season he played almost every infield & outfield position in his two year tenure with the Mets , was a clutch pinch hitter, and had a great clubhouse presence that Alex Cora lacked.
Pitcher Mike Bacsik is 32 (1977) . We obtained him in the deal that also netted us the god awful Roberto Alomar !
The Texas Rangers signed Mets free agent pitcher – “Doc ” Medich on this day in 1977.
New York Mets traded one time prospect Terry Blocker to the Atlanta Braves for Kevin” Not that one” Brown on November 11, 1987.
New York Mets traded faded star closer Mel Rojas to the Los Angeles Dodgers for faded power hitter , Bobby “Ill show you the Bronx” Bonilla on November 11, 1998. I guess we were still paying his salary so he might as well play for the team. In all seriousness Bonillia like Gary Sheffield this year was actually a decent citizen of the Mets clubhouse, and he even contributed somewhat in the ’99 NLCS against the Braves.
And remember, there are only 145 long , drawn out, tiring more days until the Mets open the 2010 season against Florida at Citi Field
57 comments
fongy2
11/11/2009-8:09am at 8:09 am (UTC -4)
So if the best Omar can do is a
Pinero/Cameron combo plate for
#2SP/LF, he’d best be working
on a blockbuster for 1B!
Not being able to get rid of Luis “Aches&Pains” contract
and giving 10mil a season
to Pinero&Cameron ain’t exactly
hope&change in my book.
Ofcourse, The Teflon Don (Omar)
could make it worse by simply
giving another fav, Bengie Molina
the last third of the available
30mil cleared budget and call it
a winter.
Put it past him????
Kingman 26
11/11/2009-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
Come on, you KNOW he will do something more than Pineiro/Cameron/Molina.
Pedro, Beltran, Delgado, Johan, KRod—none of these are players on the level of the 2nd tier guys you mention my friend.
CaseStreet
11/11/2009-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
I would not mind that in addition to lackey
Kingman 26
11/11/2009-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Cameron is probably a really good idea for LF, all things considered.
And Molina, well, he would provide offense.
As for Pineiro, yes, while he is an ex-Mariner, I truly feel he will be Ollie 2.0 if we get him. He has had a VERY checkered career, and in NY, without Duncan and LaRussa, etc, I think he would revert to bad Joel.
njstuckintx
11/11/2009-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Reading MLBTR, they are stating the Reds are going to be sellers. Could be a large opportunity there, with Phillips and Arroyo. Not sure how I feel about Harang.
Would you send Pelf (plus others, obviously) their way for Phillips/Arroyo (or Harang) package?
They also mention Votto, but I can’t see the Reds trading him. I don’t think he makes much. That’s the one Red I would love to see on the Mets.
stickguy
11/11/2009-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
Philips would be an nice guy to have. That there is an interesting trade idea.
This is the kind of creative work that I hope the FO is burning the midnight oil to come up with (hell, they just need to come to this site and read the comments to get plenty of ideas!)
I am real reluctant to trade pelf though in any case, since he is cheap, and IMO primed to finally “arrive”. But, he certainly should have a lot of value.
Arroyo is pretty expensive, and Philips does have some power (but, will it translate to citi?). Surprised to see he OPS was not all that exciting, mostly because his OBP has been lingering right around .330. But, it does up the power sprinkled around.
THink they wil ltake Castillo’s contract to offset the salary differential?
njstuckintx
11/11/2009-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Not sure. MLBTR specifically says they are looking to reduce salary, so I would think a Pelfrey type would be what they are looking for. Maybe a trade could be pulled off not including Pelfrey… Not sure.
stickguy
11/11/2009-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
problem is, if they want to move a guy like arroyo (at his salary) they cant expect anything decent back. And philips is like I said no longer cheap.
That deal saves the Reds something like 34 million over the next 2 years. Given their payroll, that is a ton of money.
they they take back stiffs, or offset some of the savings by taking a contract.
stickguy
11/11/2009-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
philips will actualy be expensive too. at least 18.5 mill for 2 years (6.75 for 2010, then 11 for 2011 + 1 mill buyout or 12 ill option).
No wonder the reds might want to trade him!
at least he is in his prime.
Reds would have to take Castillo, ollie or eat some money. This move alone takes ~20mill of the budget, and would likely be the only offense upgrade (outside of a catcher) unless they got a guy like Dye cheaper, since they would also need to add another SP like garland or wolf (to replace pelf).
njstuckintx
11/11/2009-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
Hopefully Omar can work something to offset a little of the salary increase. But I would think eating up some of the budget for a Phillips or even a Harang/Arroyo would be worth it.
I’ve never been one to say we need a certain number of HRs/production/etc. from one position or another. If the production the Mets would get from a phillips upgrade equals, say a Holliday type, then I would be for it.
Which is preferential? Phillips/Pagan vs. Holliday/Castillo, just for arguements sake.
wannybackstra
11/11/2009-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Probably Holliday/Castillo. Especially if Pagan hits closer to his career norms than he did last year (and continues to play like his skull exists only for his hair and cap to rest upon rather than to encase his brain).
stickguy
11/11/2009-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
philips and pagan for a few reasons.
1) you will likely get at least the same, and probably more, offensive output.
2) way better defense at both positions, and more speed
3) It doesn’t even have to be pagan. You could go with a pagan/carter/evans/whatever rotation in LF and the bench
4) the biggie: Philips/pagan will be ~17 million cheaper in 2010, leaving you money for a major upgrade (say, SP) elsewhere.
So, make the choice holliday/castillo/neise vs. philips/pagan/lackey
wannybackstra
11/11/2009-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
I don’t see at all how you’re getting more or equal offensive output from Phillips/Pagan than Holliday/Castillo.
And Pagan’s speed is virtually useless offensively given the way he runs the bases and his sub-standard stolen base success rate (14 for 21).
njstuckintx
11/11/2009-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
Reason I bring this up is not to completely side track everything, but rather to say, this could be the creative trades we look at rather than the Halladay move (which I think we do not have the goods to pull that off). And, if a massive upgrade at 2nd was there, would that offset having Murph at first and a lesser player than Holliday/Bay in Left?
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
That is not a bad idea. But it looks like the Red are looking to cut something like 5-6 mil. So, I doubt they will trade both Arroyo and Phillips. IMO they’ll try to trade Arroyo and keep Phillips.
I think Arroyo is not a bad option, but he’s getting paid 11M in 2010 and club option that can go up to 13M in 2011. I think that’s a lot of money for a #3-4 SP.
stickguy
11/11/2009-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
At least it is fun to speculate about.
That, and it expands the conversation from the same few guys (I have heard enough about lackey, holliday, wolf and Hallady to last the entire off season.
Lot’s of players out there for Omar to target if he wants to fire up the trade machine.
Who saw JJ coming last year?
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
Yes it is interesting to speculate about it and if the price is right, Arroyo or Phillips are both good options
stickguy
11/11/2009-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
While I agree that it is good to keep the spotlight on the FO, I disagree with the premise that they need to go after a “big name” (holliday) at “all costs”, just to appease the fans and get coverage on the back page.
Too much of this has happened in the Mets histroy, and it never seems to end well (hey, bobby bo was a big name the 1st time!)
Not saying that you can’t get a good player that way, but you do have to keep in mind fiscal sanity (and bang for your buck).
What I really want to see is creative GMing, to get talent that fits the needs of the team, even if it is a lesser known (and likely cheaper) name. That, and be willing to trade a poppular face if it makes the team better (no, I am not advocating trading anyone in particular, just in concept).
Yesterday’s discussion about Cameron vs. Holliday fits into this mold. I am not taking sides, but if you have the big name guy for huge $$, anda lesser name for 2 vs. 5 years and less than half the salary, but the lesser guy can give you 90% of the production (and better defense), then you might be better off going for the generic brand, and putting the savings elsewhere!
Trades too. I don’t want to trade Reyes, but that decision should be made based on the return offered (that is, does it make the team better), and not because you are afraid of upsetting some fans, or getting a nasty headline or 2.
Kingman 26
11/11/2009-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
I agree with this. And George Foster really is the all-time Met poster boy for rotten signings; forgive me, I know many folks here are blissfully too young to remember that horror.
But Holliday for a Beltran+ deal is nuts. Absolutely nuts. The guy is really good, but he is not Pujols or ARod, and his career numbers are dramatically Coors-inflated.
And Lackey is good, but he is no CC or Johan or even Cliff Lee probably, and he and Holliday are tremendously well-served by being the only big names out there.
Trade for Halladay, maybe sign Cameron, and then make a bunch more moves to shore up the bench and the pen.
And check out Metsblog—everyone there is still pining for Hudson, his “leadership”, his “intangibles”, and all of those other wonderful qualities which led him straight to the bench down the stretch and in the playoffs. Unreal and truly mystifying how this guy has this reputation, even if it only exists among morons.
stickguy
11/11/2009-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
Not me. I had to post an anti-hudson missive last night over there just for that reason.
Kingman 26
11/11/2009-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, his reputation among dumb Met fans is really one of the great mysteries of recent years at this point.
stickguy
11/11/2009-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
its the grit facotr. He’s a winner! That got benched the only time his team made it to the PS, and has been hurt every year recently.
pass.
fongy2
11/11/2009-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
Agreed on Hudson,I like him more than Slappy
BUT if Omar cleared 2B,the guy to
get is Polanco.
Trouble is I’ll believe he can move Luis when its done.
I also agree w/
Brock on
both Holliday and Lackey.Very good
players both BUT
Franchise type guys?I don’t think so.My earlier statement of concern is based
upon the
question of….
who else
is available and who else could we really get?
I just can’t see if the Jays really make Hallady avail and they
start taking bids how we could out bid
teams like the RedSox or
Angels.
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
Good point. I agree that we may not be able to outbid RedSox or Angels. I think Omar is going to take the same approach as he did for Johan. The problem is that other teams are not stupid and make the same mistake again. BJays will not make the mistake that Twins made. Omar would be stupid to think that other teams will fall for the same trick.
Also I really believe that Omar is shopping Castillo to sign Hudson. Hudson was a stud every time Mets faced him and I think Mets FO likes him. I’m not too much down on Hudson as most of you are, but I think Castillo is the better option though.
wannybackstra
11/11/2009-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Fatcessa has to realize that trading for Halladay, signing Holliday and then filling the rest of the teams holes, i.e. catcher, backup infielder, relief pitcher, etc. will likely push the Mets dangerously close to the luxury tax threshold. Whether he realizes this or not the Mets and the Yankees are not equal financial footing even if they share the same city. When the Mets revenues equal the Yankees, maybe then we can expect them to spend equally on the roster.
CaseStreet
11/11/2009-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Exactly. Unless the wilpons ate planning on increasing budget, having two of holliday, halladay or lackey won’t be sustainable, especially considering raises. if we got rid if Ollie abs castillo and replaced them with cheap replacements, then we have a diff story. I’m assuling we are keeping Reyes and beltran
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m getting a sense that the Mets are not interested in Lackey because of his injury history. I think this is Omar’s plan for SP.
Offer a trade to Bjays for Halladay. If that doesn’t work out, sign Wolf or Piniero.
I think Omar will try for Holliday or Bay, but I don’t think the Mets will be the highest bidder. Hence moving on to the 2nd tier OFs like Ankiel or Cameron.
Worst case, I think the Mets will end up with Wolf or Pinier AND 2nd tier OF. I may be too pessimistic, but that’s the feeling I’m getting so far.
fongy2
11/11/2009-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
And that will be Amazin’!
Considering Randy Wolf’s
Eight prior visits to the DL.
Kingman 26
11/11/2009-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
Cameron and Wolf may not be that exciting, but would probably be far better for the future than vastly overpaying for Lackey or Holliday.
If we add Cameron/Wolf and a few more pieces, and everyone is healthy, we will be good…if everyone is not healthy, well, then at least we will not have hamstrung ourselves for years with a bad contract.
Just say no to overpaying wildly.
wannybackstra
11/11/2009-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
If those two non-difference makers are signed to fill the two biggest holes the team has then who are the “few more pieces” that will help this team — along with its health — that will make this team take a step forward.
The problem I have with this strategy is that I can’t assume Beltran will be injury free given the nature of his injury and I am hesitant to assume Jose Reyes will be either. Guys like Cameron and Wolf won’t be enough to compensate for the loss of these guys any more than guys like Angel Pagan (who probably hit better this year than Cameron will next) were able to overcome injuries last year.
fongy2
11/11/2009-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
Again, I wouldn’t mind Cameron for a yr
although it continues our
never ending
question marks
in LF.I think he
and Pagan are very diff players AND that
Cameron does bring some needed life to
the clubhouse.
Problem is if
he gets any offer more than
just for a season,you cant do it.Too much of a risk @his age.That said,
though…if
Omar signed Cameron for a yr
and Piniero for
two,it would be a start. But again, with that
he’d have to bring in Adrian
Gonzalez and still add an arm
in the BP.
b/t/w,I really hope that reports of the Giants trying to re-sign Bengie are true.
I really fear HIM getting a two yr(or longer)deal from
Omar,selling us
that he is a middle of the order hitter.
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-11:06am at 11:06 am (UTC -4)
I agree with you Wanny. Also, I don’t think you can beat the Phillies with the lineup of
Reyes
Castillo
Beltran
Wright
Cameron
Frenchy
Murphy
Catcher
Johan
Wolf
Pelf
Maine
Ollie
If stayed healthy, Mets maybe able to compete with the Phillies, but I think we would need a lot more to put us on top.
Kingman 26
11/11/2009-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
That lineup is fine, but we surely would have to have another serious starter.
Kingman 26
11/11/2009-11:14am at 11:14 am (UTC -4)
I am really torn here…I just think, the more I think about it, that Lackey and Holliday, while clearly better and younger than Cameron and Wolf, are just not really close to being worth the nutty numbers being thrown around. Lackey is a number two I guess, but not for 5/80 or whatever.
If Lackey faces what Dunn/Abreu/Hudson/KRod faced last year and does not get offers close to what he wants, and could be had for say 4/55, which is probably fantasy land, then I would sign him.
I am really working hard on a piece with ideas for filling the holes without signing Holliday or Lackey to crazy deals.
Not totally sold on Wolf and I do not like Pineiro, but trading for Halladay and singing Cameron might be ideal.
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-11:22am at 11:22 am (UTC -4)
I’m not totally sold on Wolf or Pineiro either. Wolf has had a good year, but he does have injury history. Pineiro certainly had #2 pitcher type of season, but how good will he be without Dave Duncan? Who knows.
I’m all for trading for Halladay, but not with the same approach that was used for Johan. Halladay will be pursued by many teams and will not fall on Omar’s lap. As I’ve mentioned above, other teams learn from past trades. BoSox will not sit tight and BJays will not be stupid. Mets certainly have prospects to get Halladay and I would do whatever it takes to get him IF Halladay signs an extension.
wannybackstra
11/11/2009-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
If the reported asking price of F-Mart, Tejada, Niese and Parnell is somehow I true I wouldn’t even worry about signing Halladay to an extension until after the season.
I think that if the Mets were convinced to draft aggressively with the two Type A compensation picks they would receive from Halladay’s departure they would be able to reasonably compensate for the loss of these four prospects, three of whom are not high ceiling type guys.
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
That’s one way to look at it. But I believe you would only get one 1st round pick in return for Type A player. Other pick is supplemental pick before round 2.
wannybackstra
11/11/2009-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
That’s correct.
(incidentally, David Wright was a suppplemental draft pick)
fongy2
11/11/2009-11:18am at 11:18 am (UTC -4)
Re: your 10:42am post Brock,
I actually think that Omar’s mindset if his window shopping of Piniero,Garland and Wolf are true,
is that they are anti-Ollie types in that they don’t walk many at all.
Omar may be suffering from “P.T.O.D.”
in that thinking.
As for Molina, You’ve been a fan long enough to give a quick run through
of your memory…How many 35 going on 36 yr old two-way Catchers continuing
to produce anywhere near their career averages? AND haven’t almost all of them had a sudden drop-off?
This guy was a career .280 hitter a couple yrs ago who is now down to .265,doesn’t throw like he used to
and is an ALL-TIME base-clogger.
Just take a look at his career Hits,X-Tra base-hits and Runs scored,on good
teams nonetheless.Just by eye,he may be the slowest guy I’ve ever seen!
So,numbers wise he really isn’t an
ideal 5/6 hitter and to hit him 7/8
infront of the Pitcher,you can pretty much forget him scoring unless he hits one out. Its too bad,I kinda liked him…3 or 4 yrs ago..Not now!
Kingman 26
11/11/2009-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, truthfully, I am totally willing to give a Thole/Santos platoon a try.
And as for Pineiro, I was not really referring to his walks, but to his overall maddening inconsistency.
fongy2
11/11/2009-11:40am at 11:40 am (UTC -4)
Thanks, I’m with you on the Catching situation.Like I said,
I like your Idea of a
Josh Bard or even Heb’s
idea of a Greg Zaun(yes
I know he’s 38 BUT with
low mileage)to helpSantos f/the Left
side and buy a couple months for Thole,who I really like. I understand you too with
Piniero.To me though,
he seems like the best
of the “Not-Lackey”bunch.
No better than a 3/4(and 3s optimistic).
I think looking but upon his caree though
it seems though(and i do recall)he was a pretty well thought of prospect who from 2001
thru2003 seemed to be progressing well and
became a good #3,got hurt in 2004,missed half the season THEN
really struggled to regain form in ’05&’06.
Started working w/Duncan late in ’07
and has gotten better
to the point where this past season he looks to have returned to being what he was his first couple/three seasons. My point is that his performance
has been anywhere nearly as wild and inconsistant as someone
like Ollie. So,maybe…
not a bad signing for 2yrs/20 or so mil?
I don’t know…..
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
I would think Pineiro would want Ollie type of money. 3/36 or 4/48. I’m not really sold on him though he did dominate the Mets. I want to see him perform without Dave Duncan.
fongy2
11/11/2009-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
I agree,if Piniero
gets into the
3/4yr deal area,thats a no go.
And what?You
don’t believe in our Coaching Staff?:)
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
I believe in Dave Duncan.
fongy2
11/11/2009-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed!…See: Kyle Loshe.
fongy2
11/11/2009-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
b/t/w, ya gotta love Scott Boras!
Looking for a 3 or 4 yr deal for Johnny Damon.
Exactly what world does he live in?
Even the Yankees wouldn’t give him more than 2yrs.
I think(and hope)that given the state of the economy and the fact that it doesn’t look like it’ll get much,if any better by this time next yr,
these owners will be careful throwing
around 4,5and6 yr deals.
Especially considering the talent level and therefore likely impact
of the FAs available.
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
Boras also looking for 8/180 for Holliday. He’s no Tex.
GravediggerHebner
11/11/2009-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
The Yankees might do it. They have demonstrated a remarkable ability to bid against themselves. Obviously Damon is no Tex/CC, but still.
I hope you’re right about the general idea of teams not throwing around long term deals so much. I feel strongly that baseball as a whole would benefit from that.
fongy2
11/11/2009-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
Understood but w/o
Boras’”mystery team”
who will offer Damon a
3yr deal? And wouldn’t
he accept any 2yr deal
the yankees might match from someone else?
GravediggerHebner
11/11/2009-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
That’s the beauty of the mystery team. They’re a mystery. They don’t really have to exist, the other GMs just have to think they might.
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
I’m sure you guys heard this, but it looks like BJays wanted FMart, Parnell, Niese and Tejada. Would you do the deal? I would.
GravediggerHebner
11/11/2009-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
Is that what they wanted last July or what they want now?
DNDJohan aka kistics
11/11/2009-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
Last July
fongy2
11/11/2009-12:20pm at 12:20 pm (UTC -4)
Steep package!
I think I’d do it BUT Omar can’t then go out and sign
A Marlon Byrd
type as our LFer/Big Bat
and say”Away we
go”!
If we were to
go all in on a deal like that
noted above,
He MUST think
BIG on getting
an impact bat.
GravediggerHebner
11/11/2009-12:28pm at 12:28 pm (UTC -4)
Unrelated, Rich Harden’s agent says Rich “has no injury issues at all.” To me that’s like saying “Can you see the air that I’m breathing? No. That must mean it’s not there.” If as a starting pitcher he had broken the 150 innings pitched threshold once since 2004 I might have more faith.
Related, I can’t push out of my mind the knowledge that Parnell has one pitch and Niese’s muscles and bones don’t get along, so yeah I’d make that deal. My wild guess is that Toronto would be less likely to accept that package now than they were then.
While I lean toward the giving Omar credit for playing the Santana trade the right way as opposed to saying it just fell into his lap, I just don’t believe a Halladay deal will unfold similarly and I believe another team will step up and make a better offer. If it weren’t for the Dodgers tenuous ownership situation I’d be very confident they would be that team.
fongy2
11/11/2009-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
It won’t b/c other teams can offer better packages.Wheres the young,under contract
control SP we can offer? And w/o
that how can the Jays new GM justify
a deal?
Plus,how could he sell
their fans on bringing
in a bunch of questionable Met prospects considering how few ever
actually
help THE METS?
GravediggerHebner
11/11/2009-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
I agree that other teams will offer better packages so therefore the idea of Halladay is a remote one.
But we both know that, while selling fans on something is part of what a GM has to do, the bottom line is he has to do what’s best for his team.
If he thinks the specific Met prospects involved reasonably could amount to worthwhile players, that’s what counts, not the fans perception.
On that same note, if hypothetically the Mets enter spring training with additions such as Andruw Jones, Greg Zaun and Jarrod Washburn, the fans would probably burn Citi Field down, but if those guys combined with the current roster brought the Mets back to the playoffs, that’s the important thing, not whether they are sexy or sellable.