Rumor here rumor there rumor everywhere. It seems like this year with Twitter accounts and every reporter having a blog that I can’t keep up with how many rumors there out there.   One rumor comes out at 8am and says Mets are not interested in Lackey next one comes out and says Mets are hot for Lackey.
That being said if you believe the rumors it seems as though the markets for Holliday and Lackey are closing by the day. Today there are rumors that Cards will not give Holliday a big contract. Also there are rumors that the Dodgers and Redsox are out for Lackey.
What does this mean for the Mets? I have no clue anymore. Maybe they can afford both players because the market shrinks or maybe both players could end up getting taken by the Yankees for 200 million. Just something to think about.
74 comments
whataputz
12/4/2009-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
If Boston, the Dodgers and angels are all out on Lackey, we shouldn’t sign this guy for a while, but make sure we keep in touch. Go sign Wolf today and now you’re talking about Lackey falling into our laps.
fongy2
12/4/2009-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
I just read this morning the Angels aren’t out of it.
whataputz
12/4/2009-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Yeah well I just read at 1015 they will not sign him, but at 1020 they signed him, 1025 he’s a twin, and 1030 there is no market for him.
fongy2
12/4/2009-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
I said this all along. Given the state of the economy and the fact that the huge market teams don’t
have absolute needs for the top-tier
of FAs, whos competing with us for
Lackey? Really. Same with Holliday
although, with Boras even if theres
no one else,he’d still hold up any signing ’til after the New Year waiting on a “mystery team”.
Well, at least now that Polanco and Scutaro are gone, Omar can forget about moving Castillo and really focus on LF and a SPer.
We locked up the market of back-up
back-stops.
trs86
12/4/2009-10:39am at 10:39 am (UTC -4)
Until Hudson is gone then Castillo will be on thin ice.
But as for Lackey and or Holliday the problem will be the Yankees. If either slip too low then the Yankees could be involved.
trs86
12/4/2009-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
That being said I would assume the Angels go at least 5/72 (what they offered earlier) and up to 5/80 to keep Lackey. Who knows if it would then take 5/90 for the Mets to get him. If that is the case, I will just wait another year.
fongy2
12/4/2009-10:56am at 10:56 am (UTC -4)
I’m not disagreeing but remember
next year Johan
and Beltran will be a year older and we don’t know what’ll happen with the contracts of
Reyer&Wright.
Often,”we’ll wait to next
year”turns into
we’ll compete again in a few years.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:03am at 11:03 am (UTC -4)
I think I remember you saying that Lackey was too much at 5/90. To me the best we could do then is getting 2 of the lessers and upgrade offense.
fongy2
12/4/2009-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
Yeah,I’d start to pull back if it got beyond what Lowe got last year.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
He’s getting that regardless. I think the offer the Angels put on the table will be the starting point. (5/72)
metsfan4decades
12/4/2009-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve been reading and watching so many outlets I forget where I heard this but….
One of the Yankees analysts don’t think the Yankees are interested in Lackey right now. He said they feel their top 3 are good enough, they’ll go after a bottom tier type pitcher but that the money/trades they’re looking into is for the OF. They also expected the Yankees to go after another BP arm.
DNDJohan aka kistics
12/4/2009-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
That makes more sense to me. Unless Yanks are not looking to bring Pettite back, I really don’t see a reason why they’d sign Lackey. It would make more sense if they are interested in Holliday or Bay.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
Lopez and o-dog are still available so Omar may still be trying to move castillo
I can’t imagine Omar not going after the big 3, I don’t care what rumord are out there
trs86
12/4/2009-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
Oh no doubt he will go after them. It’s just A)Will the Mets go high enough? B) Do they want to come here?
fongy2
12/4/2009-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
Reading this continued reports about
our interest in Molina is really,really giving me agita!
If true and we do sign Molina we all
know it won’t be for just a year.
I’m wondering if the FO plan here
is to sign Molina,have Blanco as
his back-up and Johan’s personal
Catcher,while having Coste supplement
Murphy at first base. Thus, they’d have a 3rd Catcher on the roster and
allow Jerry to be able to pinch-run
for Molina in late game situations.
While not a bad idea, they’d have the wrong guys doing it.
Can you imagine how bad the back half of our line-up will be? And how few runs we’ll score with…Frenchy,
Molina,Castillo and the Pitchers spot, 6 through 9 ??
Also,if Molina is signed for 7or8
million, haven’t we already spent
10to12 million of the 28/30million
everyone expects Omar to spend?
And for what?? 3 Catchers, none of who is named Mauer or McCann
and another Coach in Alex Cora?
I’m starting to get the terrible feeling we’re being set-up for
another 4th place finish here.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-11:00am at 11:00 am (UTC -4)
I don’t believe one bit of it.
Mets know Santos can at least platoon in the majors and Jerry is a big fan.
They specifically said they wereooking for a platon partner(80-100 games).
No way they would platoon Molina.
I think 4 ml capable catchers are enough depth.
fongy2
12/4/2009-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
Hope you’re right
Case and we stop hearing about Molina.
I want no part of him at this stage in his career.
Can Brock’s Mariners
just give him a 3yr/
24 million dollar deal
already and get him off the market.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:06am at 11:06 am (UTC -4)
I wish the Giants had offered arbitration that way there would be even less of a chance. I just don’t get the need especially now. Only way I would even think about it is 1+1 at 5 million or less.
fongy2
12/4/2009-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
I’m with ya
& I also don’t think hes gonna get that small &
short a contract.
Kingman 26
12/4/2009-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
HAHA! After Johjima, The M’s might be reluctant to overpay fr another catcher with limited skills.
I hope.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:05am at 11:05 am (UTC -4)
Yeah I don’t get it either but I do not want ANYTHING to do with having 3 catchers and for sure not with Coste as a 1B backup.
Bigger question to me is as I said could Thole or Santos be on the block?
fongy2
12/4/2009-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
If so its got to be
in a Hallady type deal. NOT for Gil Meche et al……
Makes alot more sense to go with Santos&Blanco with
Thole in AAA and
Coste bouncing back and forth b/t Flushing & Buffalo
THAN to sign Molina &
move Thole and/or Santos.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
I would move Santos for those guys but for sure not Thole.
As for more bad news, looks like the M’s may take Zaun thus taking another name off the list for Molina.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
Completely agree and I like the setup w/ thole learning from the veteran and the production from Santos and blanco.
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
TRS I understand and largely agree with your sentiment about Coste here, but it should be noted, here is a copy and paste of the headline and first paragraph of the official press release the Mets issued when announcing the signing of Coste.
Headline:
“Mets sign catcher/first baseman Chris Coste”
First Paragraph:
“The New York Mets today announced that they have signed catcher/first baseman Chris Coste to a one-year contract and have added him to the 40-man roster.”
There’s got to be a specific reason why they hyphenated his position like that. His career number of ML games at C and 1B is 176 and 16 respectively, they really could’ve just called him “catcher Chris Coste” but they didn’t.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
True, maybe (hopefully) they play him at 1B a little in AAA as well. Perhaps they just basically are bringing him in to compete for that spot.
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
I absolutely hope you’re right, but I know from debating with you over the last year or so that you are able to see many sides to issues.
Therefore as painful as it is, I know you can see the possibility of 3 catchers on the ML roster, with Coste being 1 of them supplementing his spot on the roster by spelling Murphy at 1B.
To me, for fun let’s take a moment and pretend that’s how it goes down. In that case, which other 2 catchers do you want on the ML roster of Thole, Santos and Blanco?
For me, I’d go Thole/Blanco/Coste. Santos can’t play 1B like Coste, he can’t throw out runners like Blanco, and he can’t produce a high OBP/BA like Thole might.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
But are any of them as clutch as Santos? Can they hit over the green monster like Santos?
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
Hank White has 0 HR at Fenway but in 9 PA his OPS is a sparkling 1.127 which edges out Santos’ 1.125 in 8 PA.
So if I’m choosing the Met catcher based on what they’ve done in Fenway I can’t go wrong with either guy.
fongy2
12/4/2009-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
We’ll see about what The Angels
do with Lackey. Again, I don’t see
the market for these types(Lackey,Holliday&Bay), all good but
not great players.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:17am at 11:17 am (UTC -4)
I guess they could recant but to me the Angels need a starter too. I don’t see them backing off that first offer.
saltygary
12/4/2009-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
FYI Buster Olney on Molina and the MEts:
4. The Mets signed Henry Blanco. I was told that the Mets haven’t seriously engaged Bengie Molina yet in conversations, so it’ll be interesting to see if they actually do that, or if they use their money in other spots. They’re going to have a good shot to land either Randy Wolf or Joel Pineiro, and they’ll get a good corner outfielder and a first baseman.
I hope this helps your agita Fongy.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
Not really. I am speaking for Fongy here as well I bet.
This part bothers me.
They’re going to have a good shot to land either Randy Wolf or Joel Pineiro, and they’ll get a good corner outfielder and a first baseman.
A good shot to land type B pitchers and then a good corner OF and 1B?
saltygary
12/4/2009-12:56pm at 12:56 pm (UTC -4)
Lots of wholes to fill in Mets land.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
Interesting over on Mattsblog they are running a poll again on Lackey and Holliday and the question is assuming cash and years were not part of it who do you pick. 71 percent are picking Holliday.
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Wow. I disagree with the value of and evaluation of pitching that 71% of his poll respondees have. Not that I’m surprised at all by that.
On one of the other, smaller Met related blogs (possibly ‘Ropolitans?) they ran a poll which was basically “If you could only sign one of these players, who would it be” and the majority picked Holliday. I honestly forget who was second (Bay?), Lackey was third. In the comments most people stated simply “if you’re signing a player to a long term contract ALWAYS choose the hitter over the pitcher.”
fongy2
12/4/2009-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
Kinda of stupid! Not unusual
for MC, I guess.
What friggin’ baseball fan wouldn’t want Doc over Lackey?
Trouble is, all won’t be equal
trying to acquire either.
Both will cost 10s of mils…
Doc likely more BUT he isn’t
a FA, Soooo…you’ve first gotta give the Jays 3,4or5
of you top prospects just for the right to THEN give him
10s of mils…….
What the heck!!
Why doesn’t he just post it
as “another dumb poll for the
dumbasses who still bother posting on this blog”
Next….if everything was equal, would you want
Albert Pujols or Victor Martinez to play Firstbase?
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
If I’m misunderstanding your response I apologize, but I think the poll is Matt Holliday 71%, not Roy ‘Doc’ Halladay, over John Lackey.
fongy2
12/4/2009-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
Opps! My bad!
Misread it….
Twice!
Don’t I feel
like a dumbass.
Well….Since I
still have hard feelings
over being banned……
You still stink, Matt!
For the record,
I’d take Lackey.
I’m still not sure that if we
signed Holliday
we don’t get
better than
25/90/.290 a
year from him.
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
Sort sounds like this generation’s Kevin McReynolds.
So with that in mind I checked out baseball-reference’s thing where they list the “most similar batter” and the MSB to McReynolds according to them is Jose Guillen.
Their MSB to Matt Holliday is David Wright.
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-11:49am at 11:49 am (UTC -4)
You guys who are much more voracious readers who get online much earlier than I do may have already used your brains and come to this conclusion, but the more I read the more it seems that Henry Blanco is here to be Johan Santana’s personal catcher.
So he’s pretty much got a 25 man spot locked in that role and it’s a matter of who joins him at C. I apologize if everyone was already beyond that thought.
Kingman 26
12/4/2009-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, and I think this might be potentially brilliant….wasn’t Blanco Maddux’s personal catcher?
This could be a great move.
Kingman 26
12/4/2009-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
Omar is playing this all beautifully….for the impatient—if Omar wants Lackey and/or Holliday, should he have already signed them to their first demands, or waited out a slim market in a rotten economy?
Maybe Krivsky and Omar are now BFF and we are on the right track.
Have a great day everyone, and Case, keep the flame alive for ROY!!!!
whataputz
12/4/2009-1:37pm at 1:37 pm (UTC -4)
exactly kingman. I’m not saying don’t pull the trigger if the deal is right out of greed, but absolutely no reason to evaluate the market.
whataputz
12/4/2009-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
not* to evaluate the market.
whataputz
12/4/2009-1:36pm at 1:36 pm (UTC -4)
Asking this purely as a question, and out of curiosity. What is the Vlad market looking like? What kind of deal is he probably getting and who wants him?
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
What I’ve heard about Vlad is the following:
On the MLB Network Hot Stove show they run live pretty much every night, the panel pretty much agreed that he’s strictly a DH at this point so they eliminated the NL entirely.
The only team I ever hear/read about when his name comes up is the Texas Rangers, and the latest thing I saw was in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, see below. It doesn’t mention any specific salary speculation and I can’t say I’ve heard/read one anywhere.
“The names the Rangers are considering aren’t in the top tier of free agents. Matt Holliday and Jason Bay are way out of the Rangers’ price range. But Jermaine Dye and Vladimir Guerrero could be players who wind up signing one-year contracts late in the winter. That’s where the Rangers will be looking for an upgrade to the middle of the order, namely a veteran, right-handed hitter who adds presence to the lineup. Marlon Byrd is a consideration, though he doesn’t have the same presence.”
GravediggerHebner
12/4/2009-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
Also, yahoo sports does neat little “winter meetings primers” and they also link Vlad to the Rangers:
“By spring training … former agent Dennis Gilbert or Pittsburgh attorney Chuck Greenberg will be the owner. The Rangers will have added the least expensive slugger on the downside of his career from this list: Jermaine Dye, Vladimir Guerrero, Gary Sheffield, Carlos Delgado and Troy Glaus.”
stickguy
12/4/2009-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
checked out the MC blog poll, and lackey was catching up (66-34%). There were some intelligent comments at least.
The gibbest support for Holliday seemed to come from 2 areas. 1) it is better to sign offense4 to LT big deals that Pitching (or maybe safer). And 2) there is a good pool of mid-level ST SP options this year, and the potential FA class for 2010 off season could be very, very good (lots of big names unless of course they get extended). But, the market for FA OFs is manny, and other lousy options.
SO, this fits my “go where the market takes you” theory. Don’t go crazy chasing something that isn’t there, and grab players when there is value to be had.
So, based purely on the potential FA possibilities, it makes sense to grab a LT hitting option now for the middle of the line up, and go ST with SPs until nect year.
espcially since, IMO, the Mets need a bat and an Arm now. And Lackey still scares me on a 5 year deal.
hey, even the MC idea of back loading Holliday’s deal is quite interesting. At 10mill for year 1, you could get holliday/philips/harang/wolf, and subtract Castillo, and still have enough budget left for some pen help, or another catcher (just please, not Molina).
whataputz
12/4/2009-2:04pm at 2:04 pm (UTC -4)
This is a strange situation it really is. First off, let me say that neither of these guys is worth the deals they are seeking. It’s annoying too, because I do think one of these guys is coming here. I don’t think you can make the argument that we need one over the other. We need both. We are a solid 2 AND a middle of the order hitter with pop away from being a contender. You can easily justify signing either of these guys. Lackey Argument: he’s solid, we have no pitching depth, and we have some good hitter. Holliday argument: we need the bat, he’s very good, signing pitchers to long term deals is risky business. Both of these are true. I get annoyed when I hear that 1 is better than the other.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
To an extent I have been saying something very similar all off-season. I think a combination of Holliday, Wolf, uh Myers could be just as effective as say Lackey, Cameron, Hudson. Change names where you want. Basic idea 1 good hitter 2 decent pitchers. 1 good pitcher 2 decent hitters.
stickguy
12/4/2009-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
looks like we crossed posts, but think alike. I just take more words to do it.
stickguy
12/4/2009-2:28pm at 2:28 pm (UTC -4)
Given your premise (We are a solid 2 AND a middle of the order hitter with pop away from being a contender), and the reasonable assumption that we can have 1 but not both, the tie breaker goes to: Holliday?
Why, you may ask? Well, let me tell you! The Mets already have some SPs that coupld (if they click) be functional #2s, and other guys available (like Wolf) that pitched like it last year.
They don’t have any offensive players that could by any stretch of th eimagination (murphy? French?) make the same leap for the batting order, or any obvious other solutions in FA (bay discounted since he will cost damned near as much).
So, you can make a case to make the big splurge on the bat for the middle of the order, and load up on value and upside pitching.
Oh yeah, you usually need 6-8 legit Sps a year, but can resaonably expect a guy like Holliday to play all the time in LF.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:32pm at 2:32 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I really can’t decide and I get jumped on by others because I change my mind on it daily. I think the reason I change my mind on it is because I am TRYING to read the market and see where I think the Mets would be able to maximize their value. It could be said based on stats that we need a #2 pitcher the most, however should we move based only on what our need is this year or for the future as well? Do we need that one spot so much that we say damned the other?
stickguy
12/4/2009-2:41pm at 2:41 pm (UTC -4)
No, we can’t go all in on 1 position.
I like analogies. And some posters (not just or even mostly here) are like a valley girl in the mall with Daddy’s credit card. They want all the shiney baubles, don’t care about value, and forget about the bill coming due eventually.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:46pm at 2:46 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, that being said there is part of me that says go get Lackey AND Holliday and then back fill. What else would we REALLY need? We have Murphy for 1B with Davis waiting. We have Frenchy in RF with Fmart or Davis waiting among others. We have Castillo at 2B with Tejada and Havens waiting. We have Maine, Niese, Nieve for the #5 spot and we have in house solutions for setup man.
Total bill for those two could be 36 million and with what we have already spent that would put us around 40 million. It’s a raise but what would we really need next year or during the season?
whataputz
12/4/2009-2:49pm at 2:49 pm (UTC -4)
Bullpen arms is your answer, but I woulnd’t mind if the Mets signed both.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
True but it’s even mentioned that Meja could be in the pen this season. I don’t like it but guys like that could come up early. Also you may find guys like Dessens or Nieve on the scrap heap that don’t really cost money. I am not a big fan on spending more than 1-2 million on middle relief most of the time anyway. There are only a few names I would do that for.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:52pm at 2:52 pm (UTC -4)
Another part of this is it seems like something Omar COULD do. Grave and others have brought up the fact that they like our plans but Omar has shown no ability to go out and be that creative. However, he has shown the ability to go out and get the best name. Why not if you are the Mets in a down economy and needing a LF and SP go out and make a play to get the best 2 guys at your price? Now granted if they get more than your best offer then pursue plan b.
whataputz
12/4/2009-2:47pm at 2:47 pm (UTC -4)
I lean towards the bat, as I am a firm believer that outside of a few guys there is absolutely no way to predict how a pitcher is going to fair in a given year. Pitchers come and go fast. I think you see alot more pitchers look like studs then disappear or vice versa than you do with hitters. What it boils down to is that you need both. You’re not going to win with amazing offense and no pitching (Texas), and you’re not going to win with an amazing staff with no bats (Giants. Sure you might win over 80 games, and might even make a playoff appearance, but teams that win championships have a balance of pitching and hitting.
stickguy
12/4/2009-1:57pm at 1:57 pm (UTC -4)
Also, someone above noted that Holliday was ranked as having DW as his MSB (I love that site!).
I know there is this dream of adding a 40+ HR masher into the 4 hole, but that aint happening.
So, having 2 guys in the 3 and 5 hole say (surrounding beltran?) that are considered to be 25 HR/100+ rbi guys with an OBP pushing .400 and an OPS near .900, that is pretty danged good, and you will have a ton of baserunners for the 6/7 guys to pick up, and score plenty of runs.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
For sure there are not many of those out there. However, I still don’t see why we are not into looking at Delgado as a cheap potential for that. To me that’s the extra 5 million question that will pop up at the end of this off-season that we will wish we had done. Just like Abreu last year.
Having Holliday and Delgado in the lineup gives a lot of potential. So Delgado misses some time, you still have Murphy.
stickguy
12/4/2009-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
there have been a few notes popping up about the mets still liking Delgado.
and it does make some sense on the right deal.
I expect that if Delgado showed he could play in winter ball, and offered that deal to Omar, he would snap it up. But, he likely scopes out for bigger deals, probably in the AL, 1st.
I can’t say I really want delgado, but it would be a reasonable “win now” move with minimal risk, if they still have Murphy (or ar e willing to start the Davis era early) for 1 year.
just make all the moves on the plate. Harang and philips for Luis and some prospects that won’t make me cry. Sign Holliday, wolf, delgado. Go cheap at catcher (gotta save $ somewhere!). And no, I have no real idea what this all costs, but it is in the ballpark at least, and really a ST hit. Probably within the 32+/- range if you can backload Holliday.
reyes/philips/wright/delgado/holliday/beltran/frenchy/santos.
You telling me that lineup can’t score some runs? ANd hell, if you have to stick Beltran in the 6 hole (or flip him with Delgado), you got something going! And if Frenchy finally put it all together, look out.
johan/harang/wolf/pelf/maine/ollie/neise – can piece a rotation out of that.
whataputz
12/4/2009-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
Delgado definitely doesn’t get enough credit. I get it, hes old and was injured last year. But you can sign him for 1 year and cheap or incentive laced. His power numbers haven’t declined at all, and before he got hurt last year he was hitting very well. Yeah, its an injury and its risky, but he did get surgery a long time ago. It’s not like he hasn’t had time to heal. No need to commit 5+ years 100+ mil or whatever he is looking for when you could potentially get 30 hr’s 100 rbi from Delgado.
trs86
12/4/2009-3:11pm at 3:11 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah I see no reason not to at least offer 3-5 million with incentives up to 10-12 if he does not take it then what have you lost if you are not upgrading 1B anyway?
trs86
12/4/2009-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
OK so Seattle is still alive for Molina as Zaun is on the Brewers who I did not think were in the Molina market. Keep hope alive.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
Where does this crap come from?
In reference to Gritty McHudson:
“He’s a leader both on and off the field, a great clubhouse guy, and an All-Star GG second baseman. Who wouldn’t want this guy? ”
“I like Castillo, and he is a hard worker, but he doesn’t have that certain thing about him that guys like Hudson, Francoeur, and Holliday do”
What exactly is that? Uh more talent? Oh.
OK so where is the proof that he is a leader both on and off the field? What has he led? Why did the Dodgers ditch their GG 2B who is a great clubhouse guy and a leader during the playoffs for the tongue?
trs86
12/4/2009-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
Yipppie Rockies are interested in Hudson. Things may work out after all. Come on Seattle and Colorado.
stickguy
12/4/2009-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
another random thought:
Brett Myers could be the steal of the offseason, if he gets lost in the shuffle. Has talent, his injury seemed to have been fixed (same boat as Maine, came back late helathy but rusty), and best of all, happy in the pen but can still start.
and forget the wife beater stuff. She did, and supposedly they have risen from it, so if his wife and the legal system are satisfied, then it ain’t my business to judge.
If he falls to a 2 year/7 mill total deal or something like that, he could be an excellent value.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:48pm at 2:48 pm (UTC -4)
Seems like he is getting a little more interest all ready. I know the Astros were pretty hot for him to be potential bullpen/rotation guy. I would think he would be a perfect guy for the Yankees to take a chance on too as they need a RH bullpen arm or a guy who could slot in as a swing starter.
whataputz
12/4/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
There are alot of guys in this category. It proves my point to the instability of pitching. And this is why I tend to lean towards Holliday. If you look at the list of fa’s there are a ton of guys that at one time were studs, or very good pitchers that either got hurt, or just had a bad year or two. Bedard, Sheets, Duscherer to some extent, Schmidt, Mulder, and Washburn can all be considered guys with major upside that for their own reasons could be relatively cheap.
trs86
12/4/2009-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
Very true. Something like Wolf and Harden could be a steal.
whataputz
12/4/2009-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
O and did anyone else see Figgins to Seattle for 4 years?
trs86
12/4/2009-2:58pm at 2:58 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks