Zach Links from MLBTR provides the following story: Royals Expecting Interest In DeJesus and Meche
The reason I am interested in this story is that the Royals were one of the teams mentioned as potential suitors for Pagan. Could there be a deal that sends the Royals a package including Pagan for DeJesus, giving the Mets a decent LF and Meche filling a backend of the rotation guy. Total salary added would be around 16.7 million minus whatever players we trade.
Now the out there idea. Most of our readers know my lack of fondness for Orlando Hudson. However, it appears as thought the Phillies ask Hudson to make the switch to 3B before giving Polanco 3/18. (Odds & Ends: Hudson, Pujols, Gonzalez, D-Backs) That spot is now not there for Gritty McHudson. The Redsox were thought to be interested but then: Red Sox To Sign Marco Scutaro. That spot is now not there for True Grit. The Dodgers need a 2B but seem to have no interest in The Grit Dawg. Could it be possible that Hudson could be left out in the cold again? Is it possible that his love for the Mets would allow him to come to the Mets as a utility guy that would play 2B, 3B and maybe other positions? If the Phillies were willing to consider Hudson at 3B as a starter….
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trs86
12/4/2009-8:32am at 8:32 am (UTC -4)
By the way if this comment section ever gets too rational for you and even the Metsblog comment section leaves you looking for something more zany you should really head over to MLBTR and read the comment section in any post related to the Mets.
“My recomendation would be to trade:
Reyes to Boston for 3 prospects
Beltran to NYY,SF, Cubs, Mil, Bos, Bal = 2 prospects
Sanatana: Anyone who has been linked to Halladay (why get the 2nd best pitcher, when you could get the best pitcher at the same price) = 3 prospects
Wright(I know Mets fans would hate this, but I seriously think he is overratted, and I like him…) to anyone = 3 prospects”
prismo
12/4/2009-8:38am at 8:38 am (UTC -4)
Must be a Phillies fan saying that!
trs86
12/4/2009-8:42am at 8:42 am (UTC -4)
I like the “I seriously think he is overratted, and I like him” OK
So no wonder he is playing so badly he has been over ratted.
DNDJohan aka kistics
12/4/2009-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
Maybe it’s Alex. or was he Reyes hater?
trs86
12/4/2009-9:15am at 9:15 am (UTC -4)
No Reyes according to Alex was the 2nd god of baseball only following Aroid.
metsfan4decades
12/4/2009-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
Ha! MLBTR is the second most read baseball blog by me after this one…
Some of the regulars on there really know their stuff but some of the comments are just out there. And you can tell the ones who don’t do their homework, no research at all, and just spout everything they read in the papers. I often want to comment ‘don’t believe everything you read’….
Sometimes, a handful get into arguments on a subject that just flat out make me laugh out loud….
trs86
12/4/2009-8:41am at 8:41 am (UTC -4)
At this point I have no idea anymore what Lackey or Holliday will get or even what it would take to get Halladay or the contract he would get. The information coming out is EVERY direction.
So my question is IF it’s true that Lackey will cost 100 million like Heyman keeps reporting and that the Mets can’t get Halladay would this get us at least competitive in the wild card?
Trade for DeJesus and Meche, sign Wolf, bring in Hudson anyway (while looking to trade Castillo), trade for Wiggington (Tatis replacement) That would cost somewhere IMO around uh… 30 million.
Lineup, you can feel free to change order and play matchups
Reyes, Hudson, Wright, Beltran, Frenchy, DeJesus, Murphy, Santos
Johan, Meche, Wolf, Pelfrey, Maine/Perez
Interesting part is that it would really in most cases only tie the Mets hands this season and possibly next for Wolf and Meche?
prismo
12/4/2009-8:43am at 8:43 am (UTC -4)
That line-up is missing the extra power bat that Omar has continued to say he wants to get. Dejesus his 13 homers last year. I’m not saying Omar’s definitely going to get Holliday or Bay, but even a Mike Cameron (25HR) type power threat is what I believe he’s look for, either in LF or at 1B.
trs86
12/4/2009-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
Good thing about Dejesus is that he is cheap, most likely half the price of Cameron and 7 years younger. Their slugging percentage was separated by 18 points but OPS Cameron only had a 14 point edge.
That lineup would be something like
15
8
20
30
18
12
12
8
In my opinion that is not that much different than what the Dodgers or Angels put out there last season. Not to mention that the 20 and 30 from Wright and Beltran as well as the 18 and 15 from Frenchy and Murphy have the chance to improve as well.
prismo
12/4/2009-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
Dejesus definitely has a sufficient SLG%, but I think when Omar says power bat, he means more than 13 home runs. It might not make perfect baseball sense, but hey, it’s Omar! I guess we’ll see…impossible to predict who Omar will get for LF I believe.
trs86
12/4/2009-9:01am at 9:01 am (UTC -4)
I think also that a combination of Wiggy, Hudson (if he is willing) and Murphy will give you a good combination of LH/RH/SH for 1B.
prismo
12/4/2009-8:41am at 8:41 am (UTC -4)
Hudson wouldn’t get much time as a utility player (barring a terrible injury to someone) – and they’d be way overpaying him for it. I don’t see that happening.
I’d be up for your trade scenario, but Dejesus lacks the power that the Mets are looking for. If they did that, you know Omar would have to look for a power bat to play 1B.
trs86
12/4/2009-8:47am at 8:47 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, maybe they look into Delgado for 1B but if things are not going to work out perfect for the Mets then I think that would at least get them competitive for next year while keeping most of their best prospects.
That might be enough power though, pending on Wright and Beltran.
As for Hudson, why not reduce Castillo to a platoon guy. Also with Hudson as a switch hitter I would expect he could pick up 1B as easily as Murphy or Tatis did. I could imagine him getting as many ab’s as Castillo AND hopefully the Mets dumping Castillo somewhere along the way.
prismo
12/4/2009-8:55am at 8:55 am (UTC -4)
You know better than that! The Mets are paying Castillo to be a 2B, and he’s going to be the starting 2B. (unless he’s traded)
trs86
12/4/2009-8:59am at 8:59 am (UTC -4)
Think about last year and how the planned on going with almost a Castillo Cora platoon. I think they very well may change their mind. Like I said if you brought in Wiggy and Hudson was willing to play multiple positions you could just about dump Castillo by just eating half his salary.
trs86
12/4/2009-9:03am at 9:03 am (UTC -4)
Dang it seems like every news guy is still insisting the Mets will get ANOTHER catcher.
This from Rubin:
“Catchers Henry Blanco and Chris Coste officially joined the Mets on Thursday, with the Mets announcing both players’ one-year deals. The expecation is Blanco will serve as the backup catcher, while Coste will be in Triple-A, presumably with Josh Thole and Omir Santos.”
So now AAA is going to have Coste, Thole and Santos? I just don’t get that at all. That would be a complete waste of resources. I don’t believe it at all.
prismo
12/4/2009-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
lol it’s depth!
dirtysanchez
12/4/2009-9:25am at 9:25 am (UTC -4)
when you got $ to burn ;p….
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
That hudson idea is as out there as my polanco and slappy platoon idea
trs86
12/4/2009-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
True, only difference is my thoughts in that Hudson would come for 1 year and cheap. If not then I have no interest. I thought Polanco would get multiple years but not 3/18. I was guessing 2/10 with a 3rd year option.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Yeah it seems like Amaro has ripped a page out of omar’s book on over-paying for free agents
trs86
12/4/2009-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Really he did last year with Ibanez but that turned out very well for them. Sometimes it takes a little luck.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Luck or an ability to evaluate talent and do what you know is the right thng to do?
trs86
12/4/2009-11:01am at 11:01 am (UTC -4)
Obviously but when things go perfect, I think it is part luck. Think about us last year. Can you really prepare for that?
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-11:11am at 11:11 am (UTC -4)
Don’t know how mets injuris come into play. my point is that phils seem to focus on a guy they like and go out and get him while slightly overpaying, but because they have good talent evaluators the deal works out.
trs86
12/4/2009-11:14am at 11:14 am (UTC -4)
Maybe, we shall see with Polanco and Schneider. Moyer did not work to well for them nor did Eaton.
trs86
12/4/2009-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
Interesting suggestion from Cerrone.
“i wonder if holliday would be willing accept a deal like beltran, paying him just $10 million next season, say, $15 million in 2011, then $20 million each of the final four years, i.e., a six-year, $105 million deal…”
If he only received 10 million that certainly would free up enough cash to go after some short term guys like Wolf and or trading for Harang.
trs86
12/4/2009-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
Another question, could Santos or Thole be trade bait? Would the Royals be interested in Pagan, Santos as cheap productive starters?
I hate the idea but for some reason EVERY media outlet still sees the Mets getting Molina.
prismo
12/4/2009-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
If they traded Thole, I’d be PISSED.
trs86
12/4/2009-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
I agree unless it’s bringing us back Halladay.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
I’d include Santos and pagan for Doc who are rumord to be needing an OF and C. I wouldn’t do it for Mechelle or dejesus.
trs86
12/4/2009-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
You would not trade Santos and Pagan for Meche and DeJesus? Well that makes one of us. Those two are starters and to me Pagan and Santos are good backups.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-11:06am at 11:06 am (UTC -4)
Why pay for Mech and dejesus and create a hole in catcher when you could sign a better pitcher than Meche for cheaper and pagan will give you similar production to dejesus?
trs86
12/4/2009-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
If you honestly think that Pagan and DeJesus will give similar results as a starting LF then we just won’t agree.
Meche is a little overpriced but that being said I would put him right up near the top of the lessers after Lackey and Halladay.
CaseStreet
12/4/2009-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
Yup, dejesus is better than pagan, but not by much.
It’ll cost $17M for both plus the cost to replace Pagan and Santos.
Wolf and Cameron will cost the same and give you better production and you still have Santos and pagan. So no thanks.
whataputz
12/4/2009-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
Maybe Heyman and Molina are in cahoots here and there’s money in it for Heyman?
trs86
12/4/2009-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
It’s not just Heyman. It’s Rubin, Hubbach and uh Cerrone. Can’t believe I included him.
trs86
12/4/2009-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Add Sherman to the list:
“Actually it means they are still trying to find a No. 1 catcher and Bengie Molina is their ideal choice if they can keep him to a two-year contract.”
fongy2
12/4/2009-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
You’re wrong TRS on DeJesus & Pagan.
DeJesus is a pretty good all round
long time starter while Pagan has never shown himself to be any more than a 4th OFer.
Having said that, if Omar’s idea is indeed to move Santos in order to bring in Molina for millions more,
it’s a bad idea.
A Pagan&Santos forDeJesus&Meche move
would be a bad idea as well,And I like both Royals.
Doing that and adding Molina would
pretty much bust the budget and theres
no way adding those players,even at
their best would greatly improve us.