According to Tbrown from Yahoo.com, Juan Pierre gets traded to White Sox for two minor league pitchers. Dodgers picking up about half of the remaining contract
-Im sure you will find Luis in a bar somewhere knocking a few back with this news…
Dec 15
Juan Pierre goes to White Sox
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stickguy
12/15/2009-11:13am at 11:13 am (UTC -4)
Wow. The White Sox GM certainly does some weird things.
and this does prove Omar has no excuse for rolling into next season with Luis on the team.
Considering that the Dodgers must have eaten about 9mill, what’s stopping Omar from trading them Luis + 6?
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
Why would they want Luis after shedding Pierre?
dirtysanchez
12/15/2009-11:17am at 11:17 am (UTC -4)
omar must have gotten a D in using the force lol. Not that i wanted pierre for luis but they just dumped him on the white sox…
trs86
12/15/2009-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
Problem is that Pierre’s contract was so bad that with the Dodgers picking up 9 million it’s still bad.
trs86
12/15/2009-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
Well at least there is some good news today. I wanted nothing to do with a more expensive version of Castillo.
stickguy
12/15/2009-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
Wanny, I kind of garbled the post. I wasn’t just thinking of the dodgers, although don’t they stil lneed a 2B (unless I missed some move, entirely possible). Cubs too.
I really was looking at it as Omar should take a hint and try again! Some team would bite at 3 mill per for 2 years? Right? Right? Beuller?
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
Gotcha.
I think any Castillo deal would have to be made in ST when another team suffers an injury or realizes their prospect isn’t going to cut it.
By then it will likely be too late to find an adequate replacement unless someone from the system really impresses (Tejada, Havens?), a highly unlikely scenario.
trs86
12/15/2009-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
True. That is why I am pushing for Lopez still. He is still out there right? He can play multiple positions and take Tatis spot but then if we move Castillo can slide in. I know he is not a defensive wizard but I would count him as an overall upgrade.
stickguy
12/15/2009-11:22am at 11:22 am (UTC -4)
I also wanted no part of Pierre, even if it did mean getting rid of Luis.
The WS are still paying Juan almost as much as Luis will get from the Mets over the next 2 years. Wow.
Instead of taking that back, Mets would be better off just cutting him.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
I wanted Pierre last summer when Manny was coming back and the wheels were falling off the Mets who desperately needed an infusion of competent major league baseball players.
But now that the 2009 season is over, I want no part of him and am relieved that there is even less likelihood he will be acquired.
trs86
12/15/2009-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
He had a fluke year in my opinion last year in limited use. I think he will return back to his below .700 OPS ways. I am very glad that we did not trade for him last year because then we would not even be able to improve LF.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
Understood and agreed, but at that point last year (just prior to the All-Star break, the point you often talk about with the Mets being just 1 game out) I was (and felt the Mets should be too) desperate enough to take a gamble to keep hope alive for 2009, little knowing it would all fall away so precipitously.
trs86
12/15/2009-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
Interesting thought on the Halladay-Lee deal:
One veteran talent evaluator tells ESPN.com’s Buster Olney that the only clear winner is Seattle.
dirtysanchez
12/15/2009-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
basically the white sox got pierre for 3 mil this year and 5 mil next
trs86
12/15/2009-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
8 million is a lot for this: .301 .348 .372 .720 and a noodle for an arm.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
But that noodle would come in handy at least twice a year: Asian Heritage Night and Italian Heritage Night.
trs86
12/15/2009-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
LOL. True enough. I wonder if it would net us 9 million in sales?
trs86
12/15/2009-11:40am at 11:40 am (UTC -4)
Guys lost in all of this is how good this offense COULD be with the following moves.
Bay, Molina (because it will happen), Lopez(utility and platoon with Castillo) and Delgado on an incentive contract.
Reyes, Lopez/Castillo, Beltran, Bay, Wright, Delgado, Frenchy, Molina has beast potential no matter what anyone says that lineup could rival the Phillies.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
There is no strong argument against your suggestion that I can think of. There are some question marks, such as Delgado’s ability following his surgery, and would Lopez come here for such a role, but they are just question marks, not definitive negatives.
trs86
12/15/2009-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
Oh I agree it is still full of question marks but in my opinion that is what we will have next year. Either a very good team because things break right or a bad team waiting another year.
There is not a guy in that lineup that does not have a question mark but also a chance to be very solid at the same time.
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
Delgado’s mobility is a big issue. The right side of the infield defense could be disastrous (and Lopez’s career history in this regard doesn’t necessarily support the idea that he’s an improvement or that he will have another good offensive year for that matter).
Alex Rodriguez’s range runs above average went from -5.6 to -9.8 following his surgery and he’s younger and mroe mobile than Delgado to begin with.
He also slugged 40 points lower than his career average (though the connection to his hip here is more tenuous than his mobility).
I know the premise for this discussion is that “no matter what anyone says” it makes the Mets better. But I’m not so sure Delgado can make the Mets better right now. I’m willing to bet that he’s little more than a statue with a mitt at 1B right now.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
I’m not sure the premise was “no matter what anyone says”, I thought it was more of a premise of “these are question marks and the answers to those questions can be either very good, average or very bad and whether we like it or not that’s where the Mets are at this point, they’ve got to take some gambles on people.”
So in that context you sound less willing than TRS to take gambles on Lopez and Delgado, is that fair to say?
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
It is. And it’s really not so much that am I less willing to take a chance on Delgado as I am probably not willing at all. At least not until the NL has a DH.
And I was referring to the original premise in which it was proposed that “no matter what anyone says that lineup could rival the Phillies.”
This statement is simply not true since the Phillies’ lineup provides stellar defense, mostly mobile players and pretty solid OBPs throughout (Rollins might be the worst of the Phillies in that regard).
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
OK, I misunderstood where that “no matter…” came from, thank you for the clarification.
I agree with you on Delgado, I think the risk of an immobile right side of the infield of Castillo and Delgado outweighs the reward of Delgado returning to HR glory and Castillo maintaining his OBP.
trs86
12/15/2009-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
I think I emphasized that I said could. Also in terms of lineup in my opinion that is based on defense alone. I would talk about their positions instead of batting order.
There is not a doubt in my mind that offense could rival the Phillies if healthy.
trs86
12/15/2009-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
I think the additions to the offense may cancel out those defensive issues. As well as the fact that you know my feelings on using just UZR for a 1B. I believe that Delgado because of his experience is just a much better 1B than Murphy. I believe that if Delgado were there last year the defensive improves. You may disagree and you have UZR to show you are right. I have nothing but based on my eyes so I will have to pass on that debate.
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
I didn’t look at any 1B’s UZR or anyone else’s UZR. I looked at ARod’s Range runs to determine how A-Rod’s similar surgery affected his range. I found that it decreased his range substantially.
I am guessing that Delgado will have a similar dimunition in his range (regardless of what his UZR is) considering his age, his relative lack of mobility before surgery and the fact that the surgery adversrly impacted a younger better athlete.
Of course, no two surgeries or recoveries are the same. It’s just hard for me to imagine how any guy closer to 40 than to 30 won’t be affected by such a procedure.
trs86
12/15/2009-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
I agreed that it would most likely decrease his range. But in my opinion if they see him play this off-season and feel he is healthy and he will sign for cheap I am ok with him coming back and feel it will be an improvement. Best part about it is that Murphy would still be here.
stickguy
12/15/2009-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
One thing that could end up happening this off seaosn is the mets get the “big” moves done for less $$ than planned (bay, molina, and whatever 2nd teir FA or trade SP they bring in).
If tht happens, I wonder if they would be more inclined to do something like pay Luis to go away, and bring in a replacement?
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
I could see that as a possible positive side-effect, but as each day passes (I hope you’re sitting down) I am accepting the likelihood that Castillo will be the starting 2B in 2010 and into 2011, then possibly released or traded when someone from the minors (Tejada, Havens, or other) is ready to step in.
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:28pm at 1:28 pm (UTC -4)
good thing I just opened a beer, so I will let that pass!
one thing people seem to forget about Luis: He is wobbling around on two creaky knees. I actually think last year was a fluke in how he stayed onthe field so much.
Would not surprise me at all if sometime this year (and even more so in 2011) he broke down and needed to be replaced.
I agree with TRS that a guy like Lopez in reserve (to start with) would be a very nice thing to have.
I am also hoping the Havens takes well to 2B, and has a big break out year.
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-12:26pm at 12:26 pm (UTC -4)
The latest rumour (spelled intentionally for our Canadian friends like Jason bay) from ESPN is that the Cards are offering Holliday about $16m per year but may be willing to give him 8 years.
I think 5/75-80 for Bay would be a much better value. (Of course, 4/64 is even better)
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
Assuming the Cardinals believe they must give Holliday over $100 million to keep him, I can see the wisdom in spreading it out over 8 years instead of say 5 from their perspective, especially with the Pujols renegotiation/free agency looming.
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:31pm at 1:31 pm (UTC -4)
I agree.
people get too hung up on the total $$ amount of a deal.
You really have to look at yearly salaries.
Assuming you think the guy will last the duration (say when A Roid got hsi 1st 10 year deal), who really cares how long it extends?
even if the cards capped it at 5 years, they will still have to get a LF for the 3 following years. And who’s to say that it won’t cost more than 16M to get a comparable (if not the same) LF then?
I know the risks and odds of a 38 YO still being that good are not good, but I still stand by the logic, which applies much better to signing guys in their mid-20s!
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
Speaking of rumours, Mattsblog strikes again, incorrectly noting that Wang has a left shoulder injury. If his injury was to his left shoulder there would be considerably less concern for his recovery.
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
From MLBTR.com:
Michael Taylor Will Be Traded For Brett Wallace
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 15 at 11:04am CST]
The Blue Jays will trade outfielder Michael Taylor to the A’s for third base prospect Brett Wallace, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney.
The A’s acquired Wallace from the Cardinals when they sent Matt Holliday to St. Louis in July. The Jays drafted Wallace in 2005, but he went to college and signed with the Cards as a first rounder in the 2008 draft. The 23-year-old hit .281/.403/.438 in the upper minors for the A’s and Cards. Ben Badler of Baseball America isn’t crazy about the deal for the Jays.
trs86
12/15/2009-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
I guess you are posting this because you feel the Mets could/should have been interested or is this just random news to keep us informed? Either way. Thanks.
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
Random news.
But also because it is the rare prospect for prospect trade, the type of which I hoped the Mets could make with F-Mart this offseason (not that Oakland would trade Brett Wallace for F-Mart given the injuries — Wallace to 1B for the Mets?).
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
I agree that you should see more prospect for top prospect trade (filling from a strength).
Similar to the Garza for Upton deal a few years back (man, I wanted Garza back then).
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
I wish you were at Omar’s bagel store back then.
trs86
12/15/2009-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
I think we all did.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-12:45pm at 12:45 pm (UTC -4)
I have only cursory knowledge of the Blue Jays but using that cursory knowledge I can see why the Jays are more interested in a 3B to take over for Encarnacion as opposed to an OF when they are stuck with Wells and have Snider and Lind on hand.
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
The word on Wallace is that he’s probably not a 3B in the long run.
So my guess is that either he or Lind will play 1B and the other might DH. Neither of these guys are renown for their mittwork.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
Aha, well then I am left to guess that it’s simply the Jays value Wallace more than they value Taylor.
wannybackstra
12/15/2009-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve also read that despite Taylor’s gaudy minor league numbers (.312 .383 .515 career and 320 .395 .549 last year in AA-AAA), some scouts don’t like his mechanics.
With numbers like that, you’d think he’ll at least be good even if his flaws are exposed.
trs86
12/15/2009-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
And people are using this guy as a source:
“the Mets might be in a position where they need to take a look at Sheets and evaluate the risk…he is extremely talented and has a great track record when healthy, but that’s the key…he missed all of 2008 recovering from surgery after nearly signing with the Rangers last winter…”
Hmmm. I wonder if the Brewers know that Sheets actually did not throw 200 innings for them in 2008?
DNDJohan aka kistics
12/15/2009-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
I picked that up too.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
The mlb.com live feed guys are saying what I guess should be pretty obvious, that the remaining SP free agents are only going to get close to what they want if some team panics, otherwise they will probably be out there til close to spring training then sign for “Abreu-esque” cheap 1 year deals.
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
just make sure Omar gets the message that he deosn’t need to panic.
garland, marquis, etc. on a 1 year/5 mill + 3mill incentives deal is a lot more palatable.
Hell, leave Bengie out with them. Who else is chasing after him at this piont?
whataputz
12/15/2009-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
If I’m Omar minaya I am offering Delgado a contract asap, getting on the phone, calling the tigers and saying “We want Verlander and or Cabrera, here’s our list of prospects, choose some”.
trs86
12/15/2009-1:27pm at 1:27 pm (UTC -4)
No way do we cave on Cabrerra based on what was reported they have no desire to trade him. I would rather have Agonz for that type of prospect. I thought it was a good idea as a salary dump for them but it appears they have no desire to trade him.
I would be interested in Verlander though. LOL.
whataputz
12/15/2009-1:31pm at 1:31 pm (UTC -4)
The Mets need to make a monumental move if they want any chance at a playoff birth. Whether that be signing bay and trading for a big pitcher or just making a crazy deal, they need to do something like the Santana deal that rocks the baseball world. Because they’re not even in the same world as the phillies right now. Outside of third base, every single match-up we lose to the phillies right now.
trs86
12/15/2009-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, so how you get a playoff move is by making a monumental move or even “a crazy deal”
My goodness.
whataputz
12/15/2009-1:44pm at 1:44 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t mean crazy as in “you are crazy to make that deal.” I mean crazy as in “holy sh**! Did the mets just do that?”.
No you get into the playoffs to having a good team, which we don’t have, so in order to make us good we need to bring in an ace pitcher, and a big time slugger, and probably still even more. When I say crazy deal I mean for example making a deal that would bring in both a cabrera and a verlander, maybe agon and a pitcher in a multi team trade. The Mets are trying to sell tickets, and are having trouble right now. The general mets fan consensus for this season is “o god, here we go again”. If you’re a met player how do you possibly think you can match up with any of these top tier teams? I’m not saying make moves to sell tickets, but right now the Mets seem destined for a good old 75=82 win season.
trs86
12/15/2009-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
We don’t have to have a blockbuster deal to be competitive. Maybe we do need one to get people to stop panicking.
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:37pm at 1:37 pm (UTC -4)
panicing and making crazy FA signings or trades just to “shake things up” or “rock the world” is probably the quickest way to torpedo a team for a long, long time.
How about they make some shrewd, evein if under the radar, deals and value FA signings, in order to bring in talent upgrades and fill holes?
Then hope that the 20% of the team that is already here and are perrenial All Stars rebounds and/or stays healthy.
GravediggerHebner
12/15/2009-1:44pm at 1:44 pm (UTC -4)
I agree. The same people who are losing their minds the last 24 hours are in doing so potentially making the Mets worse in the long haul, if Omar himself is foolish enough to react to these fans’ overreaction.
I think based on last winter’s remark by Omar about “the people in the bagel shop wanted bullpen so I fixed the bullpen” that Omar reacts to the public. So beware complainers, you might just get Joel Pineiro for 4 years/$52 million and Jason Bay for 5 years/$85 million as a reaction to your overreaction.
whataputz
12/15/2009-1:47pm at 1:47 pm (UTC -4)
Alright you sit back and wait, it worked so far this offseason right? Champions don’t sit back and wait, they grab and create oppurtunities. The Yankees grabbed a ws last year by their signings. Red Sox are trying to grab a ship by signing lackey cameron and i’m sure they’re not done. I didn’t say trade wright for victor zambrano. But go find a young talented player that is available or available at the right price and make a splash already. How’d sitting back and doing nothing go in ’07? We sure coulda used another bat and some bullpen arms. We are now looking at Roy halliday and the best nl lineup for the next 4 years in our division, i’m sure signing ben sheets, ryan garko, and kiko kolero is going to even us out.
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:57pm at 1:57 pm (UTC -4)
make up your mind.
I am all for, and really hope to see, the Mets “find a young talented player that is available or available at the right price” and make the deal.
But how is that making a crazy deal to shake things up? Seems more like shrewd GMing to me.
trs86
12/15/2009-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Classic panicking.
whataputz
12/15/2009-2:09pm at 2:09 pm (UTC -4)
O your just so cool TRS. “Yeah our two most hated teams are just the best two teams in the game and on a completely different galaxy than we are, we haven’t won anything in 23 years, have made no moves this offseason, there is little talent available, we have 2 actual releiable pitchers one coming off an injury and one is mediocre, pretty much all of our big boppers are coming off huge injuries and so is our ace, we have a weak bullpen, and a mediocre farm system at best, but I love our chances as long as we sign some mediocre pitchers for cheap who are health risks.”…..i guess you’re just wiser than I am. What do I know right?
And Stickguy, why can’t you make an earth shattering crazy big move that brings in good players?
You want to wait for davis and Fmart to be ready, well Reyes and beltrans will be up by then. And who knows how Santana will be.
trs86
12/15/2009-2:11pm at 2:11 pm (UTC -4)
You are right. Compared to that post just call me Joe.
whataputz
12/15/2009-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
I have no idea what you mean by that..but alright I’m calm i said my piece..explain to me why I am wrong.
1. Are we the Yankees and Phillies not our two rivals and on are these two teams not galaxies above us?
2. How many reliable pitchers do we have? Is our ace not coming off an injury?
3. Are most of our big hitters not coming off injuries?
4. Have we made many deals this offseason have we made that are actually meaningfull? How’s the talent pool left for free agents?
5. How’s our bullpen?
6. Is our farm system any better than mediocre?
7. How long has it been since we’ve won a world series?
8. When will davis mejia and co be at their peaks? Will they even be good? Won’t beltran and reyes be done at this point? Why is it so unreasonable to think by this time Santana might not be the same?
but then again you called me Joe, so the Mets are looking good.
trs86
12/15/2009-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
Compared to that post just call me Joe.
LOL, I said call ME Joe.
But anyway, you have valid concerns. I just don’t get why we should panic and make a big deal to make a big deal. I am not saying sign mediocre pitchers, I am saying the opposite. And I also don’t care that the Mets have not made any significant moves on December 15th.
whataputz
12/15/2009-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
O and you used the “P” word, so you’re double right.
whataputz
12/15/2009-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
Okay it’s december 15th and the best pither is now off the market, the best available pitcher in the trade market is gone and is now on the phillies for 4 years. I’d say now might be the time to make a move already.
I’m not saying gibe bay 6 years or molina 3 or peniero 4. Not saying this! But if you were waiting to place some calls to other teams, now might be the time to start doing so. Whether the calendar says its dec 15th, or january 15th, the situation is what the situation is.
trs86
12/15/2009-2:28pm at 2:28 pm (UTC -4)
Oh no the Mets did not get Lackey or Halladay. Panic….. Panic……
That is exactly what you are saying. Relax. If it’s March and the Mets have not improved our team then panic.
trs86
12/15/2009-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
Anyway, we are not going to see eye to eye here. I am hoping that Omar takes his time and gets the players he wants that will be best for the Mets this year and for the future. I hope that is what you want as well.
whataputz
12/15/2009-2:39pm at 2:39 pm (UTC -4)
There you go with the “P” word again. Saying the word panic doesn’t automatically make your argument valid.
I don’t know how many freaking times I can say this: I never said make a terrible deal, all I am saying is now might be the time to force the issue here. Maybe now you gaurentee Bay 5 instead of playing this game of chicken. Maybe now you are more willing to deal some prospects and try to make some deals. The Cardinals made holliday a deal we cannot match and shouldn’t match so in my book he is gone. so It’s essentially 1 of the big 4 left. I’m sorry, but I am not happy with signing a bunch of decent players or players that are coming off injuries that were once good. That doesn’t do it for me.
I am begging you here. If you decide to counter this, don’t use the word panic. Lets see how that looks. The word panic is not the get out of jail free card of debating.
trs86
12/15/2009-2:42pm at 2:42 pm (UTC -4)
OK lets try this “P” now equals: Force a move to make a move just for the sake of making a move.
“The Mets, according to a source, are willing to give Bay a fifth guaranteed year, or perhaps increase their offer of approximately $16 million per season in a four-year deal.â€
DNDJohan aka kistics
12/15/2009-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t see Detroit making moves. They dumped Granderson’s salary. So I don’t see the need for them to dump more salary.
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
some peple are way too hung up on the phillies. Yes, they are a good team (about the 3rd time in the last century they actually put together a solid run of success). FIne, we get it.
But, the Mets need to worry about themselves more.
And making the playoffs via the WC is just fine.
Look at the Red sox. They have had to live in the division with the bidg, bad no-budget Yankees. And they manage to make the palyoffs just about every year anyway, and it doesn’t seem to bother them too much.
they even have more WS rings than the phils and yanks combined this decade.
The rockies made the playoffs last year. The Rockies. Are you telling me they are some kind of dynasty that the Mets have no hope of competing with?
I think this site should have a chicken little pool before the seaosn (hell, do it right now). Everyone picks a win number for 2010, then TRS can drag it out at year end and see who came closest.
whataputz
12/15/2009-1:55pm at 1:55 pm (UTC -4)
The Red Sox have John Lester, Josh Becket, and now Lackey. They have been one of the most active teams in the market for years. Please don’t give this bs. They acquire a big time player or two every year. The Rockies play in a terrible division, and nobody cares about them. The Mets are an embarrassment. We spend the second most money in the game and haven’t won a ship in 23 years. We barely even make the playoffs, and are a chaotic organization. We were essentially the laughing stock of baseball last year.
I get it you guys are all so cool and relaxed. I’m not saying panic, but sometimes you gotta push the bike to get the kid going. sometimes he crashes, sometimes it works, I’m not saying give peneiro a 4 year deal, but maybe gaurentee bay a fifth year already. Maybe take the extra step to bring in Delgado.
trs86
12/15/2009-1:57pm at 1:57 pm (UTC -4)
“They acquire a big time player or two every year”
That’s good because we acquire one ever year too.
whataputz
12/15/2009-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
He was saying that the Red Sox have to compete with the Yankees and their lack of budget, yet they win. My point was it’s not like they’re poor and never add anybody. They just have some limit as opposed to NY.
trs86
12/15/2009-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
Just like the Mets. But his over all point is that just because one team is great in your division does not mean you should overreact.
whataputz
12/15/2009-2:31pm at 2:31 pm (UTC -4)
The Yankees are better than the sox, but the sox are a top team and match-up witht he yankees decently. The Phillies are literally better than us at every position except 3b and cf and thats assuming Beltran is healthy, and victorino is still a dynamite player. Their roation is much better than ours, and their bullpen is better. And their farm is better. The Yankees are a 10 out of 10, the red sox are a 9.5. The phillies are a 9/10, the Mets are around a 6.
trs86
12/15/2009-2:33pm at 2:33 pm (UTC -4)
How do the Redsox match up decently with the Yankees when they have won one division championship in the last 14 years?
trs86
12/15/2009-2:35pm at 2:35 pm (UTC -4)
Also I hate the position by position comparisons because they have nothing to do with who wins but don’t you think you are giving too much credit to Rollins? .250 .296 .423 .719
whataputz
12/15/2009-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
Thats better than not playing.
The Red Sox have won how many WS since 2000?
Look at their team. They have 3 terrific pitchers. Dice K aint too shabby as a 4th and a top prospect at 5th, they have a talented line-up that I’m sure they’re going to add to. The Red Sox are one of the top 5 teams in the game and a class organization.
If you’re going to say we are anywhere close to Philly, I am going to laugh in your face.
trs86
12/15/2009-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
Last year before the injuries we were very close to the Phillies. We were in front of them. Who knows what would have happen after that.
But now Reyes will never play again or you don’t expect him to be able to match those terrible numbers.
I am wasting my time here.
trs86
12/15/2009-1:57pm at 1:57 pm (UTC -4)
See new post, it appears as though they have let Bay know they would up their offer. My question is why bid against yourself?
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
I used to think your handle came from a Mets RP. Now I realize it was personal!
trs86
12/15/2009-1:55pm at 1:55 pm (UTC -4)
LOL. I predict nothing yet.
But as to your point, I brought that up earlier. Redsox 1 division win since 1995.
stickguy
12/15/2009-1:54pm at 1:54 pm (UTC -4)
one for TRS:
ESPN is speculating that, now that the Jays flipped Taylor for Wallace (odd move IMO for Tor.), that they will actively be trying to move Overbay to free up 1B.
Take him as a salary dump with a C prospect going back?
trs86
12/15/2009-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
Got there first. LOL. Read the new post.