Just caught this on ESPN.com
Jayson Stark is reporting that the Mets have looked into possibly bringing Pedro Martinez back into the fold. Stark goes on to say that the Mets are “continuing to kick around the idea internally.” There is speculation that Pedro is looking to exceed Brad Penny’s deal that Brad Penny recently signed for , which is one year and $7.5MM guaranteed. Stark finishes by saying that Pedro is looking to play a full season in 2010.
Note to Omar – DONT DO IT !!!!!!
” Just Say No To Pedro !!!!”
204 comments
metfreak
12/21/2009-6:20pm at 6:20 pm (UTC -4)
This better be just a dumb rumor and if he does resign Pedro then all I can say is Lets Go BridgePort bluefish
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-6:27pm at 6:27 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I am not very pro-Pedro unless he wants a small, incentive-laden deal, but I would say there is less than zero chance Omar will give him 7 million. No way.
gonzowill
12/21/2009-6:37pm at 6:37 pm (UTC -4)
O.K!!!what letter plan is this? Plan G?
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-6:47pm at 6:47 pm (UTC -4)
lol
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-6:49pm at 6:49 pm (UTC -4)
Are the wheel’s coming off the bus?
If it is true I guess this is part of the plan I keep hearing about.
fongy2
12/21/2009-6:52pm at 6:52 pm (UTC -4)
The wheels came off already my friend!
trs86
12/21/2009-6:52pm at 6:52 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, yup. This is part of the plan and tomorrow they will wow him with a 4 year offer.
If this is part of the plan it’s for the #5 starter with Pedro coming for a cheap incentive deal.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-6:54pm at 6:54 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t we have a bunch of back of the rotation guys already?
trs86
12/21/2009-6:57pm at 6:57 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe? Again even if we got Lackey I still thought we needed a Marquis. In my opinion depending on both Maine and Perez is a bad move.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:03pm at 7:03 pm (UTC -4)
here i though niese or nieve was going to get a shot at the back end.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:09pm at 7:09 pm (UTC -4)
Which one of them do you trust to give you innings and a stable spot? Do you honestly see the Mets bumping Maine or Perez for Niese or Nieve?
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:30pm at 7:30 pm (UTC -4)
I guess I am wrong again to think such a thing. I thought they had a shot I thought wrong I guess.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:32pm at 7:32 pm (UTC -4)
I ask a question. Dang don’t be so defensive because we share different views. If you feel they should get a shot over signing a stable #5 then let us know and WHY?
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:03pm at 8:03 pm (UTC -4)
lol TRS it was easier for me to submit then get in a lengthy debate over the back end of the rotation.
I just dont have the stamina to go 9 rounds over the #5 with you.
trs86
12/21/2009-8:06pm at 8:06 pm (UTC -4)
I am not opposed to see those guys get a chance. I think it was more valid when Lackey was a chance or if we get Arroyo or Lowe. However, if we end up with a #4 guy like Garland then to me we need to add another guy who can also be counted on for a #4 slot.
I just don’t think Johan, Pelfrey, Garland, Perez, Maine/Nieve/Niese is good enough. I would feel more comfortable with
Johan, Pelfrey, Garland, Bedard, Maine/Perez with Nieve and Niese to fall back on.
fongy2
12/21/2009-6:54pm at 6:54 pm (UTC -4)
Ya don’t suppose Omar
lost the matchbook with Bay’s agent’s cell number on it?
Do ya?
trs86
12/21/2009-7:00pm at 7:00 pm (UTC -4)
So now everyone Omar is “interested” in based on media reports is true and we should all panic?
trs86
12/21/2009-6:51pm at 6:51 pm (UTC -4)
Come on all of you anti-Omar guys. Let him finish the damn off-season before we buy into every rumor we hear. Omar was “interested” in Pedro last year, how did that work out for Pedro? Omar is not going to give Pedro what Marquis got.
fongy2
12/21/2009-6:53pm at 6:53 pm (UTC -4)
Whew! That’s a relief!
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-6:55pm at 6:55 pm (UTC -4)
lol, so how do you spell R-E-L-I-E-F?
trs86
12/21/2009-6:54pm at 6:54 pm (UTC -4)
I think I need to stay the hell of the blogs until Omar makes a move. I might actually start listening to all the negative posters and full of crap columnist.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-6:57pm at 6:57 pm (UTC -4)
That sounds like a PLAN to me.
trs86
12/21/2009-6:59pm at 6:59 pm (UTC -4)
I think because of your comment I realize I need to stay just to keep the darkside from taking over.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:04pm at 7:04 pm (UTC -4)
lol you mean the Yankees?
trs86
12/21/2009-7:07pm at 7:07 pm (UTC -4)
Too late. But from reading all of the other blogs today our fanbase is already being taken over by Yankees fans too.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:01pm at 7:01 pm (UTC -4)
TRS, hold firm in the face of the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity!!
We MUST have Marquis and Hudson and as many more guys who SIT ON THE BENCH when their teams make the postseason as possible! Because they are QUALITY LEADERS!! After all, Bob Gibson rode the frigin pines during the 1967 WS–look it up!
YES! Gary Matthews Jr and 8 million for Pedro!! And whatever else these media jackasses totally make up!!
Omar is a MORON for not cornering the market with the above all-stars!
OMG when will the season start already??
Met fans, start your whining! Oh, you have already…..
trs86
12/21/2009-7:04pm at 7:04 pm (UTC -4)
I just don’t remember the whining being so bad before. Some of the sources of constant negativity are actually very surprising to me and caught me off guard.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:11pm at 7:11 pm (UTC -4)
Me either, and the really annoying part is that so many people act as if the second half of 2009 is what we have seen for the last 5 years.
And I guarantee you, the same people whining for Marquis over Ollie and bellowing for ODOG would be the first to be labeling them albatrosses by midseason.
If baseball gives people so damn much anger, depression, and dissatisfaction, find another hobby!
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:16pm at 7:16 pm (UTC -4)
I wish I could say I share your opinion TRS and Kingman it would make things so much easier but sadly I just don’t. If you need to label me with names like whiner, anti-omar, negative poster, Nattering Nabobs of Negativity that is ok also.
I don’t get caught up in all that I just want Omar to show me I can have faith in him again that he can get the job done so we can see positive results for my Mets.
Right now I have no faith in Omar but I hold out for the hope that he will prove me wrong.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:23pm at 7:23 pm (UTC -4)
I wasn’t labeling you, and I promise I am not trying to get into it with you.
The idea of Omar giving Pedro 7.5 million for one year is so utterly ridiculous, that I find it hard to believe that even one person could believe it. Omar trying to get the abominable Gary Matthews Jr is absolutely ridiculous.
Mattone’s posts really piss me off. They are always teenage nonsense and whining.
TRS delete this if you must.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:27pm at 7:27 pm (UTC -4)
MR Nj this is not about you. This is about a growing trend of impatient internet junkies who react in a panic based on every rumor and take every chance they can get to use those rumors to enhance their own agendas.
Unless you fit that mold then it’s not about you.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:30pm at 7:30 pm (UTC -4)
Exactly. This is what I am also trying to say.
And it is far worse at the Star Ledger and Mets.com and elsewhere.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:37pm at 7:37 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t get why do you care what people say on another blog? I am pretty sure you know this but that stuff will never go away and has been going on forever.
If you comment in your blog about what you see outside of it you would do yourself a favor and warn people so because there is no way of knowing your talking about what you are reading on another blog.
I am glad to know it was not being directed toward me or anyone on this thread. I would still have my opinions but I would not have to worry that you are becoming too sensitive about any criticism.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:39pm at 7:39 pm (UTC -4)
Oh no it sometimes applies to here to. But only if:
This is about a growing trend of impatient internet junkies who react in a panic based on every rumor and take every chance they can get to use those rumors to enhance their own agendas.
Unless you fit that mold then it’s not about you.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:49pm at 7:49 pm (UTC -4)
It is not directed at you Mr North, and I am aware that many do not feel the way that I do.
I guess I just feel that there is enough negativity in the world, and that baseball is for enjoyment.
Again, I know not everyone feels this way.
I really just do not like excess negativity.
It this were 1980, then yes, the team should be mocked and pilloried at every turn.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:51pm at 7:51 pm (UTC -4)
I do agree with TRS here—way too many people (NOT you Mr North) take every piece of drivel spewed by the Klapishes of the world as if it should be taken seriously.
I mean, the idea of Omar giving Pedro 7.5 mil for one season is absolute nonsense. There is no way in the world this is being discussed. Maybe 3 million, but 7.5? No chance, no way, no how.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:52pm at 7:52 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll leave that for you to decide all I can do is continue to express my views and opinions.
I’m sure everyone has their own opinion on what is panicing or not or being impatient or not.
So in the end it’s a matter on who’s standard you want to measure things by.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:57pm at 7:57 pm (UTC -4)
Let’s agree once again to respect each other’s opinions, hope Omar signs Bay and Sheets and gets another surprise or two, and, once again, we can move on with our lives!
By the way, I have appreciated your coolheaded attitude in debates like this ever since I first remember you at Metsblog.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:05pm at 8:05 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for the compliment King I have always tried not to lose it on here or any other blog I think I once came close with Fongy but caught myself just in time and apologized.
steveo
12/21/2009-7:01pm at 7:01 pm (UTC -4)
All I can say is 1000 rumors and 5 moves, no way I believe this one
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:03pm at 7:03 pm (UTC -4)
You are correct sir.
I seriously think that a large percentage of the baseball media is dedicated to making the Mets look bad.
And you are 100% right on Bay—he is holding things up and they should have already given him a 48 hr deadline to sign or go away.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:06pm at 7:06 pm (UTC -4)
You know why so much of the media is dedicated to making the Mets looks bad? Because it sells tickets. Why does it sell tickets? Because enough Mets fans believe their garbage and it spreads like a rampant disease. It’s like because of the last 3 years the Mets fan want to believe the most negative thought possible.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:09pm at 7:09 pm (UTC -4)
You are totally right.
And I am SICK of it.
The whiners should go root for the Yankee$ or go root for KC or Pitt and see what an organization with rotten ownership REALLY is.
A rampant, obnoxious, childish disease it indeed is.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:23pm at 7:23 pm (UTC -4)
I thought you was above the whole “if you don’t like it go root for another team then” chant.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:28pm at 7:28 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I guess sometimes I am, and sometimes I am not.
Mr North, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just do not get the negativity–it is baseball—I love the Mets and have rooted for and followed them every year since I was 7 in 1973, and I promise I want them to win as much as anyone.
I just don’t get the negativity. Why follow the team if it makes someone angry and depressed? Why? I am not targeting you here, but I just do not get it.
How many teams of all MLB teams have done as well as we have the last four years? Several have done better, sure, but most teams have not won a division and barely missed the playoffs twice.
Yes, the last three years have been dissatisfying and disappointing, but the franchise is not in disarray and embarrassing and in need of trading stars and rebuilding.
I guess maybe I am the messed up one.
The Mets have brought me enjoyment, excitement, and happiness since I was a kid.
The 1993 team was the only time I ever really hated the Mets.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:34pm at 7:34 pm (UTC -4)
That’s the part that really makes me angry. The fact that the media has tricked so many baseball fans, especially Mets fans, into believing that our team is a joke and will not be better than 4th place next year. It’s like the skip over the part that since 2006 we have been competitive every year and were in 1st place last year until the injuries.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:43pm at 7:43 pm (UTC -4)
I love the Mets also that is why I get mad at the idea that we may have a rutterless ship.
I love them too much to have someone at the helm that is not doing right by them.
I say this as a guy that was all for Minaya not being fired so he could redeem himself. I am afraid though based on what I have seen to the moment that he is failing at that.
All I want is to have my faith reestablished that that is not the case and Minaya knows what he is doing.
There was a time I had it but I lost it during the last season.
Fair or unfair I can’t change what I feel.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:47pm at 7:47 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t feel I can ask any questions about this so I am sorry you feel that way.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:55pm at 7:55 pm (UTC -4)
you and me both are sorry I feel that way trs believe me.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:28pm at 7:28 pm (UTC -4)
Interesting take from an author at MLBTR:
The two remaining starters with the chance to be much better than average- but carrying significant risk- are Ben Sheets and Pedro Martinez. With Martinez, we have a better sense of what he is looking for, contract-wise, thanks to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reporting earlier today that he wants “more than Brad Penny got”- more than $7.5MM base salary, in other words. That’s still in line with Marquis and company, however.
As for Sheets, he’s reportedly seeking $12MM next year. So the question becomes, is Sheets likely to be more than a third better than Martinez?
The major advantages for Sheets: he’s posted an ERA of 3.39 since 2007, while Martinez is actually below average during that time, at 4.66. Sheets has also made at least 30 starts as recently as 2008; Martinez last accomplished the feat in 2005.
But Martinez may be a better bet than that would suggest. For one thing, Sheets didn’t pitch at all last season, while Martinez was quite effective- a 3.63 ERA in the regular season, 3.70 ERA in the playoffs. Martinez has also had a better strikeout rate than Sheets since 2007, which is a strong indicator of future performance.
If the price tag is significantly lower for Martinez- and as of right now, it appears to be- he might be the more valuable upside candidate of the two.
And if risk isn’t your game, there’s always Jon Garland.
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-7:46pm at 7:46 pm (UTC -4)
If your name is Ben Sheets risk is my game. He is a huge risk but offers the kind of reward that is extremely rare, that of genuine ace.
Omar can win me back from the darkside with one signing, that of Sheets. Then I will at least feel the team has a legitimate chance at a formidable 1-2 punch atop the rotation. If he winds up spending the vast majority of the season on the DL, it won’t be a surprise, and I won’t start bashing Omar for signing him (since I’m requesting it that would be pretty hypocritical). To get a 2nd ace I think it’s a chance worth taking.
He can’t be the only addition though, still need a “Garland-type” to augment Sheets.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:48pm at 7:48 pm (UTC -4)
It really depends on how much. 12 million is just too much. If he wants incentives up to 12-15 million then I am fine with that.
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-7:53pm at 7:53 pm (UTC -4)
I hate the way the market works but I understand his looking at Harden getting guaranteed $7.5 and wanting more than that, so if I really wanted him I would be prepared to offer him a bigger guarantee than that.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:56pm at 7:56 pm (UTC -4)
Problem is that Harden was actually healthy last year.
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-8:17pm at 8:17 pm (UTC -4)
I’m not inclined to say “sorry” to Sheets just because Harden threw 141 innings last year and Ben threw 0.
I’m not going to list all the reasons why, getting ready to watch the G-Men.
I value Sheets more than I value Harden regardless of their 2009 output (or lack thereof).
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:53pm at 7:53 pm (UTC -4)
I completely agree.
Sign Garland and Sheets.
If healthy, Sheets has by far the biggest upside of anyone available, and is better than Lackey.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:58pm at 7:58 pm (UTC -4)
How about Garland and Bedard? Not sure who is less of an injury risk. Would Bedard be cheaper?
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-8:02pm at 8:02 pm (UTC -4)
I would think Bedard would be considerably cheaper, but he also has far, far less of a track record than Sheets.
But if Sheets is gone or too pricey, sure, Garland and Bedard.
Going into ST with Sheets/Bedard, Pelfrey, Ollie, and Maine? At least ONE of them has to have a really good year, right??
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-7:57pm at 7:57 pm (UTC -4)
100% agreement here with you Grave. And as usual you’ve stated the case for Sheets perfectly.
Bay, Sheets and possibly a trade for a guy like Meche would make this a potentially strong offseason but one with a lot of risks. I’d still also like to see anoter low cost option for the pen like Calero but I doubt that will happen.
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-7:46pm at 7:46 pm (UTC -4)
By the way if anyone cares I think it’s “panicking.”
trs86
12/21/2009-7:47pm at 7:47 pm (UTC -4)
That it is.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-7:56pm at 7:56 pm (UTC -4)
i knew I needed spell check.
stickguy
12/21/2009-7:50pm at 7:50 pm (UTC -4)
First, since I know you are a stickler for spelling and grammer, you spelled “Panicking” wrong!
as to this rumor, do you see Pedro here? No.
frankly, if the Fo is doing it’s job, they need to discuss EVERY pitcher that might conceivably be available. Hopefully they eliminate most of them as being undesirable!
Pedro had a few good games, but he didn’t pitch that many, and had excessive time off for the most part.
Hard to imagine him starting every 5th day for most of the season.
at at Penny $s? Heck, Penny didn’t deserve tht.
Offer pedro 1mill and a chance to compete for a spot in the rotation if they really want another ride on that merry-go-round. Throw in another million for every 5 games started or something.
Or even better, get someone else!
trs86
12/21/2009-7:51pm at 7:51 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed stick.
rustyjr
12/21/2009-7:51pm at 7:51 pm (UTC -4)
guys please dont lump me in with the lanatic fring found on other sites that we can’t stand – i was just reporting what i read and i just cant see us taking a chance on pedro part 2 – we need to move on – my title of the pice was meant sarcasticly – just clarifing –
now back to your regularly scheduled bash fest
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-7:54pm at 7:54 pm (UTC -4)
Rusty, not one word of what I was saying was targeted at you—I appreciate you reporting this.
I really mean it.
You are always in good humor about the Mets, and you NEVER whine.
As if my opinion matters!
trs86
12/21/2009-7:55pm at 7:55 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I know that was not like you at all. However, even some Mets blogs are in deed panicking.
trs86
12/21/2009-7:54pm at 7:54 pm (UTC -4)
Well 2 hours of PanicKing for this.
# One part of the report is true. Mets have talked to Pedro’s agent…about another client, Molina. But Mets say they’re not pursuing Pedro. 9 minutes ago from web
# A Mets official denies ESPN report that team has looked into bringing back Pedro Martinez.
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-7:57pm at 7:57 pm (UTC -4)
Ahh, the information age.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-8:00pm at 8:00 pm (UTC -4)
Ahh, the disinformation age!
trs86
12/21/2009-8:09pm at 8:09 pm (UTC -4)
Can’t stop laughing here:
“oseBatistz said…
WOW as both a Yankees and Marines fan id have to say that the Mets offseason so far has been a d- the turth of the matter is is that the Mets need to Sign eithier Hollday or Bay I dont think theyll get Hollday Bay is just wating for another team. The Mets right now look like they will be competeing for 4th palce with the rotation that not only do the Philles have but the Braves and Marlins and a pretty good young Staff with the Nationals. Omar maynia,s time is done he scwred things up by siging Luis Castillio to a 4 year deal meanwhile he should have signed him to a one year deal Luis isnt a everyday palyer anymore he is a bench Player. Also he should have saved up money for Orlando Hudson. They missed out on Lackey, Wolf, Lowe from last year, in order for them to get a good palyer they need to trade Wright no not Reyes Wright the mets roation doesnt scare me at all.”
Hmmm, I don’t know if we can compete with this type of Marines fan.
stickguy
12/21/2009-8:16pm at 8:16 pm (UTC -4)
Jeez, and I thought my typing was lousy.
But I guess if this is your message, terrible spelling is probably your friend!
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-8:22pm at 8:22 pm (UTC -4)
I hope he’s talking about the Chiba Lotte Marines. If he’s talking about being a Seattle Mariners and Yankees fan, he must be less than 10 years old because those teams were bitter post-season rivals as recently as 2001.
stickguy
12/21/2009-8:11pm at 8:11 pm (UTC -4)
Mr. NJ, I have not been particularly impressed with Omar’s performance over the last few years either.
But, the point some of us feel is that 12/21 is still too early to make a judgement on him for this off season, since very little activity has really happened. Even if you had a major Jonesing for Lackey (or somehow thought they could end up with Halladay), there are still a ton of players available (some of whom aren’t even supposed to be probable!)
And TRS, I know that he coincided with the team making a major leap forward, but that had (probably) more to do with A) Reyes and DW arriving at roughly the same time, and B) the Wilpons opening the check book and jumping payroll a good 50%+. But to be fair, he made some good trades too.
But, every team makes some good moves (well, maybe not KC or the Pirates..)
So, let’s give him a gentleman’s “C” as a grade.
I though it would have been justifiable to ax hi after 2009, but also justifiable to bring him back. Meaning this off season is make it or break it!
but can’t we wait until say pitchers and catchers before grading him?
trs86
12/21/2009-8:13pm at 8:13 pm (UTC -4)
I have always said he was average and I wanted him gone this year. However, he is back and I am willing to wait and see the product on the field before I judge it. Judging it now to me would be like judging a coach on his preseason coaching skills. Meaningless.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:16pm at 8:16 pm (UTC -4)
I understand your point of view Kingman. (Sorry I meant to write StickGuy)
I don’t necessarily agree with parts of it but I understand your reasoning.
stickguy
12/21/2009-8:18pm at 8:18 pm (UTC -4)
don’t call me Kingman. Rusty will get jealous.
And, thanks for the support.
might be a fine line, but expecting the worst is different than thinking it already happened!
trs86
12/21/2009-8:22pm at 8:22 pm (UTC -4)
AH! there it is stick. That last line sums it all up.
I expect Omar to get a big name, he almost always does
I expect Omar to get the Mets to competitive, he almost always has
I expect Omar to not finish the job because he usually does not
I know they will not be getting Lackey or Halladay.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:24pm at 8:24 pm (UTC -4)
I have one word for you Stick and you will see I have used it a lot lately.
FAITH
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-8:22pm at 8:22 pm (UTC -4)
Hey, that was Stickguy! He might be seriously insulted here!!
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:25pm at 8:25 pm (UTC -4)
lol i went in to reedit but i did so too late. lol
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-8:34pm at 8:34 pm (UTC -4)
Hey man, you should know me well enough to know that I always appreciate humor! Even if directed my way!!
metfreak
12/21/2009-8:14pm at 8:14 pm (UTC -4)
Mike Axisa [December 21 at 6:43pm CST]
6:43pm: The Newark Star-Ledger’s Brian Costa tweets that “A Mets official denies ESPN report that team has looked into bringing back Pedro Martinez.”
metfreak
12/21/2009-8:16pm at 8:16 pm (UTC -4)
I wish they make a freaking move already I am getting fed up with these stupid rumors I love my team I am a NY Giant fan too but baseball and the Mets are number 1 for me and I am just getting fed up already with these dumb rumors
trs86
12/21/2009-8:20pm at 8:20 pm (UTC -4)
These rumors are there because Omar is being patient and we are not. LOL.
stickguy
12/21/2009-8:21pm at 8:21 pm (UTC -4)
Freak, I understand being anxious to see something happen. and yeah, the rumor mill can be kind of annoying.
But I would really rather be frustrated for a few extra weeks than to have Omar make some rash but dumb moves just to “get something done”!
Patience, my friend, is a virtue you learn when you become old. Trust me on this one.
metfreak
12/21/2009-8:26pm at 8:26 pm (UTC -4)
Trying but not easy
trs86
12/21/2009-8:27pm at 8:27 pm (UTC -4)
Not during the internet age, you are right.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-8:24pm at 8:24 pm (UTC -4)
Frankly, Costa seems to me to be one of the most honest, least sensationalist, and most fair Met writers.
And he actually regularly engages commenters on his Ledger comment page.
trs86
12/21/2009-8:25pm at 8:25 pm (UTC -4)
I am beginning to understand why Noble is an arrogant asshole.
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-8:28pm at 8:28 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t read the comments but I second Kingman’s notion that of all the Met beat writers, Costa is if not at the top of the heap, damn close (I also like Steve Popper). Certainly not the type of guy that writes for the NY Post.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:30pm at 8:30 pm (UTC -4)
Ladies $ Gentleman Welcome to New York Sports Media.
Where if you believe everything you read you may be driven to drink.
trs86
12/21/2009-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
And then be told you were not.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
Or even worse, become a contributing writer for another Met blog!!!
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
I comment occasionally over at the Ledger, and Costa blows me away with his lack of attitude; he is nothing like the ESPN or Fox or other NY paper guys…he chats with the commenters, answers questions, and even occasionally will ask someone in the organization a question from a commenter.
He really seems like a class act.
I loved Dan Castellano growing up for years in the 70s and 80s when he was the Met beat writer for the Ledger, and Costa is a fine successor.
Noble is so very arrogant, and when it comes to judging players, he still thinks Steve Trachsel is good since he won so many games with 9 runs of support.
And Grave, Go Big Blue!!!!!
trs86
12/21/2009-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
True about Trax. Although at this point I would take a cheap Trax for the #5 spot. Not a big fan of wins but for a #5 at least that means you are pitching long enough to get a decision which in my opinion is a #5′s main job.
Kingman 26
12/21/2009-8:36pm at 8:36 pm (UTC -4)
Cannot argue with that.
trs86
12/21/2009-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
Whew.
metfreak
12/21/2009-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
Really all the Met beat writers just loves to trash them and so does those 2 morons on the Wfan during the mid day Those 2 idiots just lives to trash teams
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:34pm at 8:34 pm (UTC -4)
Benigno & Roberts?
Benigno is a die hard Mets fan.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:38pm at 8:38 pm (UTC -4)
Or so I thought or is it a die hard Jets fan? I am confused now.
Unlike many though I am a fan of those guys and Francesa and Paige and my idol is Somers.
I can’t imagine living without the Fan ESPN RADIO BLOWS.
Did I say blows? I meant BLOWS BIG CHUNCKS OF PETRIFIED SHYT.
LoL did I say I hate ESPN Radio? LoL
metfreak
12/21/2009-8:42pm at 8:42 pm (UTC -4)
Him and his side kick are Met fans but they do nothing but trash the Mets while kissing Yankee fans fanny
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:45pm at 8:45 pm (UTC -4)
Yankee KISS A$$E$ them?
Go ooooonnnnnnnnn.
I don’t believe ya.
metfreak
12/21/2009-8:19pm at 8:19 pm (UTC -4)
*
Your lists:
1.
One part of the report is true. Mets have talked to Pedro’s agent…about another client, Molina. But Mets say they’re not pursuing Pedro. 35 minutes ago from web
stickguy
12/21/2009-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
well, time to go wrap X-mas presents and watch the Giants find a new and different way to break my heart.
trs86
12/21/2009-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, that is why I pull for no other major league teams besides the Mets. I am a Virginia fan and I could not take the inevitable fact I would pull for another heartbreaking franchise if I did pick one. Might as well pick the Nets and Jets.
fongy2
12/21/2009-8:47pm at 8:47 pm (UTC -4)
You guys worry too much!
I’m sure Omar has a plan.
His past states it!
He always signs a big name or makes
a big deal. This franchise was in ruins until he got here and lead us
through his brilliant and cagey moves
to the playoffs!
Not to mention two second place finishes,but they were just bumps
in the road. Last year was the year he built toward to win the series
but the injuries derailed us.
Again, don’t worry! Omar is on the
job!
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-8:50pm at 8:50 pm (UTC -4)
Now that is the Fongy I know.
If T.R.D.M.B. was a street you would be our Oscar the Grouch LoL.
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:11pm at 9:11 pm (UTC -4)
I love it baby!
At this point, I really don’t want Omar to do much.
I don’t want to see
him gamble millions
on washed up and/or often-injured players.
I don’t want him to go
too far in pursuing guys who are good but not great like Bay.
AND I don’t want him to go too far in dealing our young guys
and prospects for middle of the road,o.k. players who
won’t make a great impact except for being remembered like
Zambrano,Foy&Fregosi.
I don’t trust Omar to
fix this very flawed
team and organization
which he’s largely responsible for putting together AND
don’t want to see him
make the situation worse.
Signing the likes of Molina,Sheets,Dye etc
will only do more damage and given much
of Omar’s history,will
give the next GM even
more trouble trying to
repair.
Even after 37 years as
a die-hard,I’d rather live through a .500 type,3rd Place finish
that wouldn’t cripple
the next group who comes in THAN live through an 85win,2nd
place team which still isn’t playoff quality WHILE having
tens of millions obligated for another yr or 2 or 3 and watching our young guys become nice players for someone else.
If we can get Garland for a yr or 2 AND a
Damon for a yr or 2
fine. Lets see how
Johan,Bel-Tron&Reyes
bounce back from their
injuries,and let’s hope Wright&KRod regain their form and
lets go to war!
trs86
12/21/2009-9:14pm at 9:14 pm (UTC -4)
I slightly disagree. You knew I would.
I see no reason not to get guys like Molina, Sheets, Dye, and others in that mold as long as they are 1+1 tops and only cost money.
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:17pm at 9:17 pm (UTC -4)
None of those you mentioned will be
more helpful than harmful
to us.
Why bother?
trs86
12/21/2009-9:24pm at 9:24 pm (UTC -4)
Really, I think they could patch the holes just fine for next year. Guys like Molina, Sheets and Dye have potential to be better than what we have for sure. It’s not like if they save money this year they will use it the next. Might as well spend it this year and if things break right you have a decent shot. How do we know for sure that Sheets and Dye are done?
trs86
12/21/2009-8:59pm at 8:59 pm (UTC -4)
From Buster Lonley, the guy who started this Pedro mess;
Heard this: Yankees working very hard tonight on deal for starting pitcher. Remember that they came close to deal for Aaron Harang in summer
stickguy
12/21/2009-9:12pm at 9:12 pm (UTC -4)
well, that would certainly suck from the mets persepctive.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:14pm at 9:14 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe maybe not. Depends on who they get and how much they pay.
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:14pm at 9:14 pm (UTC -4)
God bless ‘em wit dat!
Like I’ve said, Somethings really wrong with Harang.
Good Pitchers in their prime don’t fall as fast and hard as he has.
I advocated for him last off-season based on rumors he might be available after his
bad 2008 yr, thinking he’d
bounce back but he was pretty
bad again last yr.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
I think his numbers were not that bad last year. Rebounded a little. His FB was back to 2006 form and managed to increase his K’s decrease his walks and hr rate. His BABIP was the highest of his career so I am also thinking he is due for an even better year next year.
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:27pm at 9:27 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe. I always liked him BUT 12-31
w/a 4&ahalfERA
for 14.5million
dollars is alittle too much of a risk
for me,And I’m
a gambler!
Now, if the Cincy Commies take backa non or quasi prospect or two
o.k..But I wouldn’t even
trade Parnell for him straight up.
They can have Stokes or Green
and a kinda/sorta prospect but thats my best offer.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:29pm at 9:29 pm (UTC -4)
Parnell would be a goner for me. He has not even shown he could do anything well. I don’t think you can hold wins and loses against him unless you are going to hold them for a guy like Marquis.
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:35pm at 9:35 pm (UTC -4)
I disagree. Parnell showed flashes the 1st couple months as a RP and does have real good stuff.You don’t trade young hard throwers.
I do agree wins&loses don’t note all about a pitcher BUT my friend you have to work hard to go 12-31 over two seasons with a team that does lose 100+gms each season.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:42pm at 9:42 pm (UTC -4)
Lost games with these totals
1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3 obviously that was just a small part of his loses. He did have some very bad games.
What may be more telling is he lost every game that he gave up more than 3 runs.
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:35pm at 9:35 pm (UTC -4)
Parnell for Har…
(I wouldn’t even finish the sentence before pulling the trigger)
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:38pm at 9:38 pm (UTC -4)
14.5 million dollars for a 12-31 pitcher over the last two yrs. That gonna really work out well for us wanny???
trs86
12/21/2009-9:43pm at 9:43 pm (UTC -4)
Focusing on W-L again? As King brought up, Trax won a lot of games.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:46pm at 9:46 pm (UTC -4)
14 quality starts and only 6 wins. That’s a bad team.
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:44pm at 9:44 pm (UTC -4)
In his 14 losses this season, the Reds scored a grand total of 33 runs!!
That’s less than 2.5 runs per game.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:48pm at 9:48 pm (UTC -4)
What may be more telling is he lost every game that he gave up more than 3 runs.
That’s astounding.
That being said he still had some stinkers. But he at least made it into the 5th inning in all but 2 of his starts.
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:48pm at 9:48 pm (UTC -4)
And his ERA would have been second to Johan’s on the Mets last season, his K:BB was even better than Johan’s and his WHIP would have been second among the guys who started more than 15 games.
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:50pm at 9:50 pm (UTC -4)
Right. No one thinks he will come in and pitch like a second ace. But he’s sure as hell as good as what we’ve got after Johan.
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:46pm at 9:46 pm (UTC -4)
Meanwhile Parnell’s minor league career totaled an under .500 record a 4.04 ERA and just a 2.0 K/BB ratio. The guy was not particularly good in the minors. Why do we expect him to be good in the majors?
trs86
12/21/2009-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
You know I like Parnell but I would give any one in the pen for Harang except Krod and Feliciano.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:17pm at 9:17 pm (UTC -4)
8:07pm: Could this be related to what David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution wrote in the comments section of his blog earlier this evening?
“Got a call from a NY writer today wanting to know if I’d heard anything heating up between Yankees and Braves…. Apparently Yankees have hinted at doing “something big†soon. Don’t know if that means pitching”.
Hmmm, so I wonder if it could be for Swisher?
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:18pm at 9:18 pm (UTC -4)
Lowe for Swisher.
Mark it down.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:22pm at 9:22 pm (UTC -4)
Makes sense for both teams. Then I am guessing Melky would play RF and they would re-sign Damon.
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:29pm at 9:29 pm (UTC -4)
Could be.Melky’s got the arm to play right,thats for sure.And I’d think Damon would give them a discount given thats where he wants to be.
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:28pm at 9:28 pm (UTC -4)
Would that mean Damon in for LF and Cabrera to RF?
Swisher has about $16m guaranteed left on his contract — Lowe, $45m.
I suppose Swisher can play LF – or perhaps 1B.
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:31pm at 9:31 pm (UTC -4)
mere bag a shells for the Bronx moneymakers!
trs86
12/21/2009-9:26pm at 9:26 pm (UTC -4)
This could be worse.
What if the Yankees just take Lowe for crap prospects? Would the Braves then be in the Bay/Holliday market?
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:29pm at 9:29 pm (UTC -4)
Ugh. They’d have the cash.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
And a great team that with that staff may rival the Phillies.
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:34pm at 9:34 pm (UTC -4)
Whether they’re quite as good as the Phillies is not nearly as important as the fact that they’d be clearly better than the Mets.
And Wren would once again have gotten the apple of Omar’s eye.
(hell, I wouldn’t mind Swisher in LF for the Mets)
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:36pm at 9:36 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed about Swisher.Should have had him a yr ago.
Wheres Wilson Bettermeat these days???
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:37pm at 9:37 pm (UTC -4)
The more I think about it, the more Swisher would make sense for the Mets (if only we had something to trade for him). He’s a switch hitter who can play the corner outfield spots and 1B — all three questionable spots for the Mets right now.
Maybe if the Yanks can’t get Lowe, they’d do what the Mets did when the Mets couldn’t Lowe — take Ollie!
trs86
12/21/2009-9:53pm at 9:53 pm (UTC -4)
Problem is getting him. Wouldn’t Damon also be able to do that for a similar price? I guess Swisher’s defense is much better?
fongy2
12/21/2009-9:47pm at 9:47 pm (UTC -4)
maybe we can get Wilson Betemit and trade him back to the Braves for Swisher once they trade for him???
Hey, I’m tryin’ here.
But again, Wanny, Harang…man??
12-31 over the last 2,12.5mil+2mil
buy-out OR 12.5 mil more for 2011.
Like I said, please Omar, do no more harm!
trs86
12/21/2009-9:51pm at 9:51 pm (UTC -4)
Look at the loses, go to the game log Fong.
trs86
12/21/2009-9:52pm at 9:52 pm (UTC -4)
Even worse in 2008. Guy lost 8 games giving up 3 runs or less and had no decisions in 5 more.
wannybackstra
12/21/2009-9:51pm at 9:51 pm (UTC -4)
Forget his record for a moment and note that in his 14 loss season he was better than every non-Johan starter the Mets pitched last season.
trs86
12/21/2009-10:04pm at 10:04 pm (UTC -4)
With Harang we don’t have a lot that we could do as far as giving some salary back. They would not want Castillo. I don’t see the Mets wanting to pay all of his salary either.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-10:07pm at 10:07 pm (UTC -4)
SNY Sports night just said coming up if Pedro is coming back to NY?
trs86
12/21/2009-10:09pm at 10:09 pm (UTC -4)
Based on Tweets Mets officials have denied interest.
trs86
12/21/2009-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
8:55pm: Now Ken Davidoff of Newsday tweets “Hear that #Yankees have “two or three” serious trade talks for starting pitcher – A. Harang isn’t one of them.” FoxSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal adds via Twitter “Source: Yankees in “active negotiations” for a starting pitcher. Not Harang. Trying to find out who.”
trs86
12/21/2009-10:10pm at 10:10 pm (UTC -4)
So that leaves in my mind Meche, Sanchez, Johnson, …..? Help me out Wanny.
trs86
12/21/2009-10:11pm at 10:11 pm (UTC -4)
Zamby.
trs86
12/21/2009-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
Yankees are apparently close to a deal for a starting pitcher, says a source. Still working on who, but I’m told it’s not a salary dump deal
I swear if it’s someone like Josh Johnson I may go insane.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
T.R.D.M.B. Street
Hey if Fongy is Oscar the Grouch
Who is Count?
Who is Kermit?
Who is Grover?
Who is Kermit?
Who is Amazing Mumford?
Who is Bert?
Who is Ernie?
Who is Big Bird?
Who is Cookie Monster?
Who is Elmo?
Who is Mr. Hooper?
Who is Mr. Snuffleupagus?
And somehow the lyrics just don’t seem to fit
Sunny Day
Sweepin’ the clouds away
On my way to where the air is sweet
Can you tell me how to get,
How to get to T.R.D.M.B. Street
Come and play
Everything’s A-OK
Friendly neighbors there
That’s where we meet
Can you tell me how to get
How to get to T.R.D.M.B. Street
Reee-Write!!!!!
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-11:07pm at 11:07 pm (UTC -4)
We could take this Sesame Street character personality test:
http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/sesameID.cgi
I took the test and this is what it said:
Results
Your personality type is: Elmo
You are cute, and everyone loves you. You are a best friend that no one takes the chance of losing. You never hurt feelings and seldom have your own feelings hurt. Life is a breeze. You are witty and calm most of the time. Just keep clear of backstabbers, and you are worry free.
trs86
12/21/2009-11:19pm at 11:19 pm (UTC -4)
Grave it’s broken. It came up with Elmo for me and I stopped at “You are cute, and everyone loves you.”
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-11:26pm at 11:26 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe we are both Elmo. Try this one:
http://www.blogthings.com/thesesamestreetpersonalityquiz/
This one said:
You Are Bert
Extremely serious and a little eccentric, people find you lovable – even if you don’t love them!
You are usually feeling: Logical – you rarely let your emotions rule you
You are famous for: Being smart, a total neat freak, and maybe just a little evil
How you life your life: With passion, even if your odd passions (like bottle caps and pigeons) are baffling to others
trs86
12/21/2009-11:32pm at 11:32 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, I did not read them but I expected to be Bert. I guess that’s kind of weird. Only one my wife would disagree with is neat, so that’s bad I guess. I wonder if that makes her Ernie?
trs86
12/21/2009-11:34pm at 11:34 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah that one worked true to form. Bert it is.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-11:39pm at 11:39 pm (UTC -4)
I personally always smiled whenever I saw the Amazing Mumford “Ala Peanut Butter And Jelly Sandwiches” LoL
metsfan4decades
12/21/2009-11:57pm at 11:57 pm (UTC -4)
O.K., I had to play too. Came up with the same results as Grave. First quiz = Elmo. 2nd quiz = Bert.
Have absolutely no idea what it means though – LOL.
darknova306
12/22/2009-12:01am at 12:01 am (UTC -4)
The first quiz said I’m Elmo, second said I’m Oscar. So confused… :p
darknova306
12/21/2009-11:59pm at 11:59 pm (UTC -4)
That link says I’m Oscar The Grouch. Somehow, I think my friends would agree. :p
trs86
12/21/2009-10:32pm at 10:32 pm (UTC -4)
Here is an interesting idea.
Yanks get Sanchez
Giants get Uggla
Marlins get prospects from Yankees.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-10:44pm at 10:44 pm (UTC -4)
So I just read this over at the Daily News by John Harper
“The explanation coming from the Mets last night, via a club source, is that they are focused on offense first, as they continue negotiations with Molina and outfielder Jason Bay. As such they aren’t ready to negotiate with pitchers until they know how much it costs to add bats.”
Somebody help me out exactly what pitchers are left to negotiate with that will impact the signing of Bay or Molina?
If this is even true (which I would never bet money on) but for arguments sake let’s say it is. Does that mean they have no intention of signing a starter till a Left Fielder and catcher are signed?
Oh to be a fly on the wall in Minaya’s office.
trs86
12/21/2009-10:48pm at 10:48 pm (UTC -4)
I have no idea what that means unless if they sign Bay and Molina then they could not afford to get 2 SP. I can’t see what one has to do with the other.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-10:53pm at 10:53 pm (UTC -4)
So when is Sports Illustrated coming out predicting the Phillies will win the W.S. in 2010.
That curse sure would come in handy just about now.
fongy2
12/21/2009-10:52pm at 10:52 pm (UTC -4)
Again, for TRS and Wanny,you can excuse 12-31 over the past two yrs with Harang if you want BUT for 14.5
mil(12.5&2mil buy-out),Just 180&160
some innings and a 4and a half ERA??
For Ace money(14.5million)???
AND we have to give up a prospect
or two??
I liked the guy over the yrs but please fellas,take it from a gambler, this ain’t worth the bet.
Now if Cincy wants to flip Second basemen,we’ll take Harang,give them
a prospect or two and pay all Harang’s salary.
Otherwise, thanks but no thanks.
Sit tight and see if Duke,Haren,Webb and/or Young become available.
Save the salary slot and prospect(s)
for that type of move!
njstuckintx
12/21/2009-11:05pm at 11:05 pm (UTC -4)
I’m with you on getting Phillips with the deal.
That said, if Phillips isn’t coming, I’m not sure how you can accept Harang without Cin. picking up salary.
Evans and Holt or something comparable with Cin picking up 1/2 the tab?
fongy2
12/21/2009-11:08pm at 11:08 pm (UTC -4)
Too much!
Thats my point.
If we take him and his salary,they get back suspects not
prospects in return.
Otherwise, no deal.
There will be guys available as the economy continues downward and as teams
like Ari,SD&Pitt struggle to figure out what they’re doing
with good Pitchers making too much money for them to afford.
trs86
12/21/2009-11:11pm at 11:11 pm (UTC -4)
Fongy what is the going rate for guys worse than Harang? Marquis, Garland, Davis, Pineiro, Wolf, Perez? Honestly his numbers were as good as Lowe’s last year.
fongy2
12/21/2009-11:17pm at 11:17 pm (UTC -4)
That ain’t sayin’ much.
It’s like Mattone’s arguement earlier that somehow we should have offered more to get Marquis b/c we’re paying 12mil a yr to
Ollie.
trs86
12/21/2009-11:21pm at 11:21 pm (UTC -4)
Just saying the current market for backend rotation guys means that his contract is not astronomical based on what he could do. If Cincy chips in 3 that contract is not bad at all in my opinion. I just try and think what would he get on the open market? To me he would then run to the head of the group of scrubs.
trs86
12/21/2009-11:09pm at 11:09 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t see Cincy picking up half the tab nor would they need to. He’s as good or better than Marquis, Pineiro, Wolf, Garland. Those guys are in the 8-12 range so how is his contract even that bad?
fongy2
12/21/2009-11:14pm at 11:14 pm (UTC -4)
He went 12and 31 with a 4.5+
era the past two seasons,throwing only about 340innings and
will cost you 14.5 million for 2010.
THAT’S HOW!
trs86
12/21/2009-11:17pm at 11:17 pm (UTC -4)
Back to wins and losses again Fongy. Look at those names.
fongy2
12/21/2009-11:19pm at 11:19 pm (UTC -4)
Yes my friend,look at his numbers, a4.5+era in the NL,160IPS last yr and we’d have to pay him 14.5million to hope he rebounds.
trs86
12/21/2009-11:23pm at 11:23 pm (UTC -4)
I quoted numbers as to how this year was not that bad. Much more in detail than WL and ERA. As well as Wanny’s facts on how he would have been by far the #2 on last year’s Mets team. Again, I agree 12.5 is a lot to pay. I am not putting the buyout because we have no idea if we would pickup his contract or not. So for now it’s 1 year 12.5 million. To me that’s about 3 million too much. I would easily give him 1/9 on the open market.
trs86
12/21/2009-11:07pm at 11:07 pm (UTC -4)
I will excuse Haren because that would be a story for sure. Webb could be a nice mid-season guy. Duke I like but would not be a lock to even put up Harang numbers.
I still say the guy moving to Citi (Harang, a flyball pitcher) would benefit. His numbers started to rebound last year and I expect another big rebound year.
fongy2
12/21/2009-11:11pm at 11:11 pm (UTC -4)
Alright we can agree to disagree.
Not that I wouldn’t gamble on him but as I’ve said,if we’re taking on that contract,the Red-Legs get a bag of balls and
an old box of Harry M. Stevens 16oz.Cups.
trs86
12/21/2009-11:14pm at 11:14 pm (UTC -4)
I can agree on not giving much. Where we differ is what is much. But it’s too late to argue that point. How about we just send them Evans and Ahern?
fongy2
12/21/2009-11:20pm at 11:20 pm (UTC -4)
Done!
trs86
12/21/2009-11:24pm at 11:24 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, EVERYBODY has a price for the Million Dollar Man.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-11:31pm at 11:31 pm (UTC -4)
Well I will tell you this How many pitchers need to go off the table before Minaya signs Bay and Molina to get him to pull his offer and move on?
I believe Mets made offers to Bay/Molina back on the 10th. Do they just leave the offers on the table till pitchers and catchers all the while doing nothing else?
Does he have a done trade deal for pitching pending if and when he can sign Bay and Molina?
Mets off season moves so far are
Signing of,
Alex Cora
Chris Coste
Ryota Igarashi
Clint Everts
Elmer Dessens
trs86
12/21/2009-11:37pm at 11:37 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t for get Hessman and Blanco. LOL.
But I still don’t buy that the search for Bay and Molina have anything to do with the pitching market. I just think they are trying to pursue pitching by trade and don’t view any of these scrubs as dramatically higher than the other. Think if we had waited last year on Perez we end up with Garland or Wolf on 1 year deals. Again, I know we disagree but be patient.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-11:40pm at 11:40 pm (UTC -4)
trs86
12/21/2009-11:30pm at 11:30 pm (UTC -4)
Guys gotta go to bed but I will leave you with this.
What does our pen look like?
Krod, Igarashi, Feliciano, Parnell all have locked spots to me. Stokes, Green, Misch, Nieve, Dessens, Everts all could make a case. If we sign 2 starters then we have to have a spot for Maine. We could have a good competition for BP this spring. I expect Omar to bring in one more LHRP to compete as well. I am guessing Figgy and Stoner move back to AAA for depth. AAA rotation could be Niese, Nieve, Misch, Stoner, Figgy, Gee. Not bad for AAA.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-11:33pm at 11:33 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t forget Chapman
or “El Chapo”
lol
fongy2
12/21/2009-11:41pm at 11:41 pm (UTC -4)
Good night pal!
I did get a kick out of you not wanting to count the 2mil buyout with the 12.5mil Harang
would rec from us if acquired.
Okay, so then, if he makes
progress in returning to what he was a good number 2SP for 2or3 yrs prior to 2008&’09,it’ll cost us 25mil
,picking up the option for 2011.
Or more likely he’s somehwere b/t ’06/07&’08/09 and we don’t
p.u. the option,thats still 14.5million dollars my friend.
Like I’ve said,I dont wanna kill the guy b/c I’ve always liked him BUT based on the past two yrs,I’m not gambling
,paying him a minimum of 14.5
million AND giving up prospects.
Just can’t do it.
Anyways, good night,guys and dolls!…And as always….
Lets Go Mets!!!!!!
GravediggerHebner
12/21/2009-11:57pm at 11:57 pm (UTC -4)
I won’t even go so far as to give Parnell a spot. In “my” bullpen the only locks are KRod, Igarashi (I call him “Ota”) and Feliciano.
I need 4 more guys, 1 of which will ideally be LH and the other of which will be capable of being a long man.
I would identify what role I want Parnell to fill in the future and send him to the minors to work on that role whatever it is.
Nieve misses more bats than Misch and I would be OK with him in the long role.
I would hope to sign 1 veteran LH and RH free agent reliever each, either of whom might possibly/hopefully be able to set up if Ota isn’t capable, then allow Stokes, Green & Everts to fight for the last spot in ST.
So in descending order from closer: KRod, Ota, Feliciano, RH vet, LH vet, 1 of Stokes Green or Everts, and Nieve.
trs86
12/22/2009-8:45am at 8:45 am (UTC -4)
I don’t see how we could depend on Stokes or Green anymore than Parnell.
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-11:44pm at 11:44 pm (UTC -4)
Y se acabo.
metsfan4decades
12/21/2009-11:48pm at 11:48 pm (UTC -4)
LOL – This out on Yahoo Sports:
‘Winning came with a hefty price for the New York Yankees.
The World Series champions were hit with a luxury tax of nearly $25.69 million Monday, according to information received by clubs and obtained by The Associated Press.
New York is the only team to pay a tax for this season and has crossed the threshold in all seven years since the tax started. According to the collective bargaining agreement, the Yankees must send a check to the commissioner’s office by Jan. 31′
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If that’s what it takes to win a WS, Wilpon will never do it. And I certainly don’t blame him. 25+ MIL? Unbelievable. And Yankee fans are insulted when the rest of us insinuate they buy championship teams?
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-11:49pm at 11:49 pm (UTC -4)
your up late.
metsfan4decades
12/21/2009-11:57pm at 11:57 pm (UTC -4)
LOL – That’s cause I’m lucky enough to be on vacation these last two weeks of the year. Woo-Hoo!
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-11:59pm at 11:59 pm (UTC -4)
nice
Mr North Jersey
12/21/2009-11:56pm at 11:56 pm (UTC -4)
There was a time when I would agree with the idea of the Yankees buying championships but we have lead the NL in payroll in the past and it has gotten us nowhere.
Also the Yankees have had to pay that luxury tax for the last 7 years and they only have 1 ring to show for it so its not only about spending the most money.
metsfan4decades
12/22/2009-12:01am at 12:01 am (UTC -4)
Very true. But spending that much, or nearly that much every year has guaranteed them post season play for what? The past 14 out of 15 years – or close to it.
I often wonder if the allure to signing with the Yankees for many players – especially those FAs with many choices, is the fact that they know that franchise will spend the bucks plus do whatever it is that have to, to ensure they’re playing Oct. baseball.
The Mets reputation on that note, doesn’t come close, unfortunately. Time to change that perspective. Not saying we have to spend more money. Just spend it smarter and stop making the organization look like fools – i.e. the Bernazard and Rubin fiascos…
darknova306
12/22/2009-12:03am at 12:03 am (UTC -4)
“Just spend it smarter and stop making the organization look like fools”
So… fire Omar?
Mr North Jersey
12/22/2009-12:03am at 12:03 am (UTC -4)
Time to change that perspective is right.
darknova306
12/22/2009-12:12am at 12:12 am (UTC -4)
To change that reputation, we need to start winning games in September.
darknova306
12/22/2009-12:02am at 12:02 am (UTC -4)
Money makes it easier to build a championship team… you still have to spend that money smartly.