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Dec 29

Jason Bay will be a Met

According to Mike Francesa of WFAN, Jason Bay will be wearing a Met uniform in 2010.  The only hurdle left is the physical.  The announcement should be made as early as next Monday or Tuesday.

Free agent Catcher Bengie Molina, meanwhile, is still holding out for a 3 year deal.  The Mets have offered him a 1 year deal with a vesting option for a second year.

There is no news on any pitchers.  The contract for Bay has not been revealed as of now.

Update

According to a Tweet from Jon Heyman, he can confirm this is true. Also, according to a tweet from Joel Sherman, the deal is roughly 4/$66 million ($16.5 per) with an easy vesting option

Hopefully the Mets will provide a better background on photo day

Hopefully the Mets will provide a better background on photo day

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98 comments

  1. mrose

    if its true..i’m happy… lets freaking move on

  2. dirtysanchez

    Well, talk about playing it close to chest. Would be interesting to see the terms and if the Mets caved in with the 5th year

  3. njstuckintx

    Something just smells fishy with all this. Francesa holding onto this for a whole day and not expounding on it with any enthusiasm? No other reporter in the blog-o-sphere knowing anything about this? As I said in the other post, I’ll believe this when Bay is holding his new jersey up for all to see.

  4. CaseStreet

    Good, that the Mets will get their homerun hitter, but for many reasons I don’t like this.

    As I’ve said, Bay does not provide the pitching, speed or defense that Omar said he is building the team with.

    Bay’s below average defense and hitting style aren’t condusive to Citi Field. Sure, he’ll pull a few into the LF corner, but what about the rest of the time, when he’s hitting flyballs for outs instead of getting on base or driving someone in w/ line drives.

    Plus, w/ the market for Holliday being rather non-existant, thanks to the Red Sox and Yankees being close to their budget, the Mets are taking themselves out of the race. Holliday will likely get a 6/100 deal and Bay 4/64. Why let 2 years and a difference of $700K per year come in the way of getting a better all around player?

    Ultimately, I’ll root for Bay and hope he does well. I just think the Mets could’ve done better.

    1. metsfan4decades

      IMO, Boras was going to drag out Holliday signing anywhere for at least another month. Maybe it’s not unreasonable to think Omar didn’t want to take a chance on waiting and missing out on both, so Bay willing to sign now was the path he was taking.
      If both offers were on the table now and he could be sure Holliday would accept or decline it now, maybe it would be different.

      Omar was quoted as saying something to the effect at that charity function he was at over the weekend. Something about have interest in Holliday but signing Bay was going to be easier…

      1. CaseStreet

        That is certainly true.

    2. saltygary

      I would much rather be locked into a 4 year instead of a 6 year contract. Plus, going head to head with the Cards with Boras in the middle would never work out to any teams advantage.

      I agree with your pitching and defense comment. If there was a choice between Bay and Lackey I would of taken Lackey in a heartbeat. Maybe we can spin Bay to the Sox for Lester and Bucholz.

      1. CaseStreet

        I wouldn’t be too worried of year 5 and 6 from Holliday. Plus, Bay seems likely to have an easy vesting option for the 5th year, so it’s even less of an issue.

        5 years of Bay or 6 years of Holliday. What’s the difference?

        1. saltygary

          Yea if the vesting option is easy then there really isn’t much difference at all.

  5. darknova306

    Heyman just tweeted:
    “i can confirm, bay and mets do have agreement. good job by mike.”

    Something still seems odd about the whole thing, though.

  6. khmustache

    AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! why won’t omar EVER sign a latino player?????

    1. njstuckintx

      I think Bay speaks Latin. Does that count?

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Jason Sinus ero a Met mane tunc week

      2. khmustache

        hehe… close enough. i just figured that as a met fan posting on the interwebs, i needed to be outraged about something… and that was the first thing that came to mind

        1. mikemattone

          You could have went with “WHY COULDN’T THE NEWS HAVE BEEN THEY TRADED FOR JOE MAUER! THEY NEED A CATCHER!”

    2. dirtysanchez

      LMFAOOOO! Awesome!

  7. prismo

    Heyman has CONFIRMED on twitter.

  8. QnsNative718

    About Gad damn time…

  9. metsfan4decades

    Not a bad OF at all to start the season: Bay, Beltran, Fcore (one of these days I’ll get the spelling of his last name…) and Pagan.

    Moving on, I’d like to see at least one SP signed…..

    1. QnsNative718

      Pineiro for 3 yrs tops… Molina for 2 yrs… I like our chances.

    2. khmustache

      just call him frenchy… seems to fit

  10. Hazmet

    Good, now go sign Garland…

    1. GravediggerHebner

      I agree completely. Of the remaining FA pitchers, IMO he’s the best, most useful to the Mets one.

      1. QnsNative718

        Garland will pitch for a West Coast team in 2010.

        1. GravediggerHebner

          That’s too bad, because Pineiro will suck for the Mets for 3 years if he signs like you suggest above. Without Dave Duncan he is below average at best, how you would advocate the Mets signing him for 3 years is beyond me.

          1. Hazmet

            Ditto. In looking on mlbtr it did appear that Garland’s preference came out when the Nats were looking to make an offer. Money and years talk though so who knows. I too don’t want any part of Pineiro for the same reasons you stated. Too spotty a track record without Duncan.

    2. CaseStreet

      Tough one.

      Garland give you dependability. With all the injuries we had to the rotation last year, dependability would be nice.

      On the other hand, unless we expect Pelf, Ollie or Maine to pitch like a #2, signing Sheets or Bedard, w/ Niese and Nieve ready in case of injury, would be another way to go.

      Will adding Garland make the rotation playoff ready?

      Will adding a Sheets type give you enough innings to make it into the playoffs?

      Actually, maybe the best move is signing a Garland type and making a mid-season trade for a top tier pitcher.

  11. prismo

    Sherman says 4yr/66MM (16.5 per) with an easy vesting option for a 5th year. So unless he has a serious injury. sounds like a 5 year deal.

  12. metsfan4decades

    Just read speculation from a poster over on MCs blog where they think the reason MF leaked this now is b/c those of you deciding on ticket plans only have until 12/31 to make a decision. So if the Mets didn’t announce Bay until next week, that deadline has come and gone.

    I’m just cynical enough to believe that motivation.

    1. saltygary

      I would definitely believe that.

    2. khmustache

      that was actually the first thing that went through my mind when he announced it…

    3. QnsNative718

      They wouldnt dare.

    4. charlie_s

      That is completely plausible. In fact, I would put money on it.

    5. mikemattone

      Any possibility that people re-up tickets because of the Bay news, then he fails the physical over the weekend?

      1. CaseStreet

        classic, though if anyone re-ups season tickets because of Bay, that’s kind of dumb.

        1. metsfan4decades

          Agreed.

          MF made a comment further on in his broadcast that he didn’t expect any problems with the Bay physical.

  13. mrose

    RobCarlinMSG Dino Costa on Mad Dog Unleashed sat radio says his source tells him #Mets could sign Matt Holliday by end of day today

    1. GravediggerHebner

      That would be funny. So is the implication the Mets have jumped the shark and signed both Bay & Holliday?

      If Holliday’s agent weren’t Scott Boras I might almost believe this.

      1. mrose

        we can dream

        1. GravediggerHebner

          Well this dream would sort of imply Francoeur is being traded for a pitcher since he would be rather expendable and they desperately need a pitcher, so it’s an OK dream to me.

      2. darknova306

        If this happens I’d be impressed, but still depressed because of our joke of a rotation.

        1. dirtysanchez

          well, that would free up fmart and frenchy as trade bait for an upgrade in the rotation if this is true…which i really dont think it is

          1. darknova306

            Yeah, but how much payroll would we realistically be able to add through pitchers if we did this?

          2. GravediggerHebner

            About $18 mil if the unsourced Carlos Zambrano rumor comes true.

            This would make Jeff Wilpon truthful when he said Omar had no budget.

            I refuse to believe any of it ’til I actually see it, but like NJinTX says, after 8 or so signings, the highlight of which was giving just over a mil to a guy who’s thrown 5 ML innings since 2007, at least this is fun to talk about.

      3. metsfan4decades

        Well, that would certainly be quite the coup.

        I’d love this is for no other reason than I’d have something to do on this freezing cold night with my car in the shop.
        I’d be thoroughly entertained reading the comments over on the Philly, Braves, and MLBTR blogs……

    2. metsfan4decades

      So….what’s up with that?

      As far as I know, the Mets hadn’t even made a formal offer to Holliday.

    3. CaseStreet

      that’s another way to go.

      Sign Bay AND Holliday, while going with Nieve or Niese as the 5th man.

      Reyes-Castillo-Wright-Beltran-Holliday-Bay-Murphy-Molina.

      Santana-Pelf-Perez-Maine-Niese/Nieve

      Could work if you backloaded some contracts, but you have to get rid of Frenchy and figure F-Mart becomes trade bait.

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Screw Molina, leave him off. Frenchy, FMart & Pelfrey plus to Seattle for King Felix!

        1. CaseStreet

          throw in Mejia and you might have something.

          1. mikemattone

            Seattle nixed Bucholtz, Bowden, Masterson, Casey Kelly, Westermorland, and a sixth guy from Boston in exchange for Felix. He ain’t goin nowhere.

      2. njstuckintx

        We better hope Beltran has fresh legs for the whole season covering pratically the whole outfield.

        That said, that would be some pretty good offense. Didn’t the Yanks try that a few years ago with Monster offense and no pitching? That didn’t work out too well.

        Oh, and lastly, I hope they do swoop in and sign Holliday instead of Bay, just to stick it to MF.

    4. saltygary

      Stop it… I just put the channel on and he’s talking basket ball.

    5. Hazmet

      Sounds like the Mad Dog Crew trying to keep up with the Fat Man. That would be something though.

    6. saltygary

      Dina is now backing off his Holliday statement and is blaming his source.

  14. GravediggerHebner

    Then there’s this completely unsourced (not even anonymous, just unsourced) tidbit from Bleacher Report:

    “Cubs’ pitcher Carlos Zambrano could also be headed to the Mets. A trade, perhaps involving a third team, is beleived to be in the works to bring Zambrano to Flushing.

    The trade would involve the Mets parting with 2B Luis Castillo and another young player.”

    1. njstuckintx

      Man alive, from feast to famine. Weeks of news of Minor league signings and now a cluster bomb of news and rumors. It’s blood in the water and with all Mets nation scouring the interweb, any little tidbit will score some web hits!

      1. njstuckintx

        stike that, revesrre it. Famine to Feast. Long day at the office…

      2. GravediggerHebner

        It was your avatar of Spinal Tap that kept me going through the minor league signings…Whenever the Mets signed another marginal AAAA player I just cranked my stereo up to 11!

        1. njstuckintx

          How much more black could the Mets off season get? None. None more black.

          1. Hazmet

            They have been teetering for a like review of the album Shark Sandwich;)

    2. charlie_s

      That’s insane…Castillo and Fmart for Zambrano?

      Mets fans are pumped into insanity, myself included.

    3. saltygary

      It is currently 5 degrees with 30 mile per hour winds and I would have no problem going Will Farrell in old school and start streaking through the streets.

    4. CaseStreet

      So, Pagan and Castillo, plus prospects for Zambrano. Then Frenchy becomes the 4th OFer, sweet. Plus Bay AND Holliday AND Molina.

      Wilpon wasn’t joking when he said money wasn’t an issue.

      1. mrose

        that would be yankee-esque though

    5. CaseStreet

      Oh, forgot about Chapman, too.

  15. CaseStreet

    Still have to wait for the physical, there’s always the possibility that Bay gets Torrealba’d next week.

    1. charlie_s

      How much is Boras hoping for that?

      1. CaseStreet

        yup, but then Bay becomes Cards’ cheap option and leaves Omar to bid against himself for Holliday

        1. charlie_s

          Exactly! LOL.

    2. dirtysanchez

      lol….

      SI_JonHeyman

      #redsox found some “physical issues” with #bay. #mets are believed to be aware of this. med. exam could be a marathon

      1. CaseStreet

        sounds like Putz

      2. gonzowill

        How much do you think that’s true? Why would the Red Sox offer him a contract then?

  16. charlie_s

    From ESPN’s Crasnick:

    Bay has been maligned in some quarters for his subpar defense, but the Mets analyzed the metrics and found that he suffered in Boston from the “Fenway Park factor.” They believed his perceived lack of range in left field was accentuated by the minimal area of ground he had to cover in Fenway.

    Okay, so having less ground to cover exposed his lack of range?

    1. wannybackstra

      It might explain lower statistical range computations.

      1. charlie_s

        Then math has failed, I guess. We all know the guy is not a speedster. But, hey, Endy Chavez was incredible and I don’t want him to start. The guys that give 30/100 production tend not to be so fast.

        1. wannybackstra

          Indeed. And if he does that, as he consistently does, we will live with anything more than awful defense.

          And I think 5/80 is very reasonable for a guy who is fifth among outfielders in home runs over the last four years or so.

          Also, Fenway is not as power hitter friendly as many people think. Line drive hitters like Boggs, Greenwell, etc. benefit most from its odd dimensions. I think his power will stand up to Citifield.

          1. charlie_s

            Exactly! Produce at the plate and all will be fine.

  17. wannybackstra

    Zambrano at his worse is still the Mets second best pitcher. He’s a bit of an injury risk (sharp innings decline over the last three seasons) but if he’s only $12M this season and next then he is worth the risk (the difference being Castillo’s subtraction). And if he is injured, his $19.2 2013 option won’t vest.

    One thing with Zambrano, he won’t reduce the teams’ walk total.

    1. CaseStreet

      Do the cubs have enough pitching to trade away zambrano?

      1. GravediggerHebner

        I know you didn’t ask me but I’m gonna jump in here anyway.

        Short answer: yes.

        Long answer: 10:$17.875M, 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option. If they want to get rid of his contract enough they’ll worry about that later.

        They have Dempster under contract for 3 more years, they just acquired Silva who is under contract for 2 more years, they have Gorzellany, Wells, Marshall and Samardzija who all started games for them last year still under contract, and Lilly coming back sometime late spring from injury. Plus depending on how much money they save in trading Zambrano they have plenty left over to get a scrap heap free agent SP later if they think they need one.

        1. CaseStreet

          I’m okay with that, if he performs ace like.

  18. GravediggerHebner

    For fun, here are some reactions on Boston WEEI radio website comments page:

    -”Hahahahaha, later Bay. You wanted your last big pay day, well here you go. You just kissed your chances at winning a championship before you retire goodbye. But I’m sure that contract will bring you many years of happiness and appease your competitive hunger when you’ve long put down the bat and glove.”

    -”Bay went for the money. You can’t blame him- that’s why they call it money. The Mets had a perfect storm of injuries last year – but with health (a big IF) – a lineup that adds Bay to Reyes, Beltran, Wright, and probably Delgado will be damn formidable.”

    -”Wow I never would have believed that Jason Bay would be a greedy pig when he showed up here from Pittsburgh. Go chase those low and away curve balls in New York, you stiff.”

    -”we will see how he hits in that big ball park…and I am very disappointed in bay…saying all along how much he loved playing in boston and every game was like a playoff game…and then runs…the money wasn’t even that far off either…guess there aren’t many true ball players out there anymore who would rather place the city and team above the money…bay will make headlines in 2010…when they talk about how he just didn’t deliver…guess a WS ring wasn’t that important to him either…but you know what?…guess he couldn’t live up to the hype in Boston…the NL is where he belongs…just another NL player who couldn’t hack it in the AL…so CYA!!!”

    -”Enjoy futility Jason. I hope that extra 6 million keeps you warm at night. Bay is the first player in history to actually want to jump ON a sinking ship.”

    -”you left us over 6 mil$$$$$$$$$. you’ll be a dh in 2 years. oh yea they don’t have one. another bone headed signing for the mets. ha ha ha ha ha”

    -”Headlines; Bay and Wright combine for 25 home runs in 2010, Mets finish 25 games behind Phillies.”

    1. charlie_s

      Translation: oh my god, what are we going to do with him?

      1. charlie_s

        argh…

        Translation: oh my god, what are we going to do withOUT him?

    2. metsfan4decades

      Rolling my eyes…

      Reading some of the comments over on MLBTR, I’m beginning to get the impression those Red Sox fans are actually worse than some of the Yankee fans when it comes to that entitlement mentality.

  19. rustyjr

    ok so I guess i cant totally piss and moan anymore lol btw i couldnt find anything on the mets going after holliday – where did yas see that? also if we are able to swing a 3 way deal that will net us the good zambrano and all it costs us is slappy and nick evans plus a kunz – that would be a potentially good 1-4 rotation if pelf gets his head screwed on right and maine can revert back to form

    1. CaseStreet

      No faith in Ollie?

      1. mikemattone

        To quote Keith Law “Ollie wouldn’t make the Triple-A rotation if not for his contract”.

  20. trs86

    So as usual, Omar signs at least one big name. Patience may have paid off.

    Now lets see if we finish the deal by getting a decent pitcher, guy who can replace Tatis, and another SP reclamation project. LGM.

    1. metsfan4decades

      I still don’t understand why we aren’t taking a look at F. Lopez.

      And Tatis? I’m probably going to get bombarded for saying this but I really wouldn’t mind him back for the bench. As a bench player, Tatis can play the corner OFs, all all 4 infield postions. Not saying he’s a defensive whiz at all of them but in a pinch, he’s serviceable. And his bat in 2008 was more than serviceable coming off the bench.

      1. fongy2

        Lopez would be nice but omar cant move his
        boy castillo, Soooo???

        And at this point, I
        agree about Tatis….
        Wecould do worse.

  21. DNDJohan aka kistics

    It seems that Molina will be a Met regardless what happens. So what’s the lineup like? Assuming Castillo stays…

    Reyes
    Castillo
    Beltran
    Bay
    Wright
    Frenchy
    Murphy
    Molina

    That’s not a bad lineup at all… Rotation is another story

    1. trs86

      Shake it up some. LOL (I think your’s will be correct)

      Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Frenchy, Murphy, Molina, Castillo

      Maybe seeing a ton of FB would help Wright and having Castillo in front of the pitcher instead of Molina might clear the pitcher more often.

    2. CaseStreet

      Wright 3rd
      Beltran 4th
      Bay 5th

      Wright is the best hitter on the team, followed by Beltran and Bay.

      You could also flip Frenchy and Molina.

      1. trs86

        I can’t say that Wright is the best hitter on the team. Beltran is pretty damn good.

        1. CaseStreet

          Past 3 seasons:

          Wright .311, .399, .512
          Beltran .290, .375, .510

          Wright 2065 PA, 549 H, 347 1B, 123 2B, 6 3B, 73 HR, 316 R, 303 RBI, 262 BB
          Beltran 1699 PA, 425 H, 251 1B, 95 2B, 9 3B, 70 HR, 259 R, 272 RBI, 208 BB

          I’m still leaning towards Wright being the best hitter.

          1. trs86

            Not sure right now you can go by past 3 seasons for those 2 but fine. Wright may need to hit 3rd because even if his power numbers did not come back his high OBP would still greatly benefit. I mentioned letting him hit 2nd for a while behind Reyes so he would see more FB and gain confidence.

  22. trs86

    Been doing some reading and perhaps Wanny can help me out here. So UZR is based on yearly averages of all fielders for that position for that year. Assuming that, if a guy like Beltran moved to LF and was great then other LF’s numbers would fall. Also there is some discussion about using range because of OF positioning and field dimensions.

    Thus my question is, is it possible that his decrease in RngR from Pittsburg to Boston has to do with any of the above?

    Interesting that Manny also seems to have improved defensively since leaving Boston but what is stranger is that his RngR is much better.

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