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Jan 08

O.K Omar, do it your way.

I felt something Monday afternoon that I haven’t felt in a long time, excitement and anticipation.  I also saw something else, Met fans writing down potential line-ups.  When is the last time you saw that? 

I’ll admit that even I  kicked around a line-up or two with Castillo and Molina penciled in and you know what?  I suddenly can’t wait for Opening Day.  Can the Mets match the Phillies? Can they make a run?  Let’s not get crazy here,   I said I like their line-up but I’m not as nearly excited about their rotation.

But after seeing what Omar did with Bay I have to have confidence.  The Bay courting was not what I thought it was going to be.  It was slow and agonizing but I guess since the Mets have a limited budget and performed so poorly in 2009, they just can’t roll into the Winter Meetings and blow over the free agent of their choice.  Compound the fact that the Phillies traded for the best pitcher in the league and paraded him around, it was hard to stay confident.     

Throughout the weeks, Omar played his hand well, he waited(and maybe hoped) that the free agent market would thin out and made his move.  Did he overpay for Jason Bay? Probably, but at this point, the Mets might have to do that to attract that free agent.  

Here’s the million dollar question, are the Mets are better team today then they were last week? Indeed. 

The two million dollar question is whether the Mets could be better and the answer is obvious to all…of course.

And now the tough part, more agonizing waiting and rumors while Omar tries to land that Number 2 starter.  Hey Omar, take your time,  work the phones, call the agents, wait them out.   If it takes you to the day before the first pitch at Citi Field to land Pineiro, Sheets or Arroyo, do it.  It’s fine by me.

Play your hand and do it your way.

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80 comments

  1. njstuckintx

    I’ve said this before, I’ve been amazed that Omar has plan and is sticking to it. While I may have liked to see a different plan (some tweaks here and there), my confidence has risen considerably. I had this bad feeling Omar was going to throw some bling at a couple big names to fill the big holes and let the small holes become big ones as the season progressed. But, I’ve been pleasantly surprised. Still holes in the rotation, of course, but I guess we’ll see if/when/how Omar’s plan will play out in the coming weeks.

    Everyone is to leave sticky notes at any bagel store/coffee shop the stop at with the phrase “starting pitcher” on it. Maybe we can get that point across!

  2. Kingman 26

    Nice post, but did Omar overpay for Bay? Based on what?

    Most certainly not based on what Holliday got, and not based on what we know the only other offer was from the Red Sox.

    It is not Omar’s fault that he had a really weak class of FAs to go for, and that Lackey had zero interest in being here.

    I think Omar played Bay precisely how he played KRod and Johan–absolutely perfectly.

  3. dirtysanchez

    Gotta give credit where its due, omar did a good job with bay.

  4. metsfan4decades

    I think Omar gets a bad rap sometimes. He’s not the best GM ever but he’s far from the worst. His perception as a bumbling idiot is really due solely to the fact that he’s not very well spoken at times, when it comes to the media and he’s made some really poor choices when he’s had that microphone (re: the Bernazard/Rubin debacle).

    I agree that this year’s FA choices are not the best crop in recent years. I like most of the moves Omar has made so far. As far as SP, I’m holding out for a trade for a #2, if it can be done before the start of the season. If not, we almost have to pick up at least one of what’s left on the FA market for SP. We don’t have enough depth and starting the year with Johan/Pelf/Maine/Ollie/Niese is a little dangerous, IMO…..

    1. darknova306

      I can’t honestly think of a time where Omar has come off sounding well-spoken, though I can’t stand him to begin with so maybe there’s a bias…? :p

      While I disagree with parts of the plan he seems to have (I really don’t want Molina, for one thing), I really have to give him some credit for how he’s handled that plan. The FA market was definitely uber-thin this year, which is why I’m totally with you on a trade for a #2. If this rotation isn’t upgraded… we could be in serious trouble. My confidence in everyone after Johan is minimal, though I do expect Pelfrey to be better than in 2009 (probably somewhere between his 08 and 09 performances).

      1. njstuckintx

        My feelings exactly.

    2. Kingman 26

      Agreed, agreed, agreed.

      Everyone loves to worship the Boy Genius Costanza Cashman, who, without a $200 million payroll, most likely could not finish in the top 3 anywhere.

      1. CaseStreet

        agreed, but Boy Genius has done pretty well w/ recent trades. Vazquez, Granderson, Swisher

  5. wannybackstra

    Of course, this nonsense would not be complete without the obligatory typo:

    Note: Your Comment is Awaiting Moderation
    January 8, 2010 at 8:55 am · 0 comments

    by Matthew Cerrone

    Right now, there are 28,000 comments in queue for MetsBlog.com, submitted by roughly 200 different users, all of whom are not yet able to post at will on MetsBlog.

    I will do my best over the next few days to pick though this list, so to start bringing new users in to the mix.

    To help me out, if your comments repeatedly get put in moderation, please enter your registered screen name below.

    1. trs86

      Yeah sent and email to me yesterday and I mentioned still not being able to post and got the same reply.

    2. CaseStreet

      at least he spelled his name correctly.

      1. wannybackstra

        When i saw the headline on SportsSpyder on the right side of this website/weblog/online diary/electronic communication portal it was too irresistible not to click through and read the whole post.

        I was tempted to fill out his form with obscenities but refrained.

    3. metsfan4decades

      I too saw this post. What, exactly, is he thinking?
      He needs to rethink that whole auditioning mindset. As anal as he is with control over that blog, he’s never going to keep up with new posters trying to pass his self imposed criteria to be able post there.

      I give you guys credit, like you Real. Although I’ve been tempted to try and get back in, so far I’ve refrained. Something about that whole process that just rubs me the wrong way…

    4. Kingman 26

      Pssst—He DOES NOT CARE at all.

      Comments mean zero to Metsblog.

      Zero.

      1. wannybackstra

        Comments are lumped in a pile of refuse along with insight, grammar, spelling and accuracy.

        The latter provided the most humor. I forget the boob’s name but one of his “bloggers” would often report the day’s lineup with John Maine pitching for third straight day or 7 guys playing in RF.

        1. trs86

          That’s Kingman’s boy there.

        2. darknova306

          Ah, you’re bringing back “fond” memories of 7-man lineups and how pitchers suddenly switched throwing arms sometimes. “RHP Oliver Perez” huh? :p

        3. Kingman 26

          Mike Nichols!

          The pioneer of the 7 man lineup and the use of the DH at Shea!

          Still, the recent comments Cerrone made about Rick Ankiel and pitching cleared everything up….Matt Cerrone just is not nearly as into baseball as most of us are, and this is a fun job for him. If he thinks Ankiel still pitches, I almost feel bad making fun of him.

          1. udontmesswthejohan

            What was the post about Ankiel and pitching?

          2. Kingman 26

            In a recent debate about remaining free agents, Cerrone mentioned how Ankiel did not “want to pitch in NY” then Cerrone made jokes about it, as if the situation was recent.

            Ankiel’s pitching horrors were in 2000 and 2001….Ankiel threw 10 innings in 2004—5 years ago—and has not thrown a pitch in MLB since.

            Cerrone clearly was not aware of this.

            What baseball fan of even mild seriousness thinks Ankiel still pitches, and what fan is not aware that he became an outfielder years ago?

            Sometimes, mocking Cerrone might come off as sour grapes–not for me. On the one hand, it is SO very funny, that he is THE corporate-sponsored blog of the Mets when he is so very mediocre in all ways…on the other hand it is kind of sad that he has done absolutely nothing to improve his baseball knowledge or his writing. I love it when he talks about “loving writing” and “advising” people in politics.

            Yes, I am sure his local junior high losing student council candidates are eager for his advice next time around.

          3. GravediggerHebner

            I think you hit on it here with the whole THE CORPORATE SPONSORED OFFICIAL blog thing. I can only guess they (the Mets “people”) don’t even read it, because if they did I’d like to think they’d be embarrassed.

            To be fair though, do other teams have official corporate sponsored blogs (not MLB.com sites) and are they any good? I know lots of teams have blogs about them that are truly excellent (I love USS Mariner and Viva El Birdos as well as others) but I don’t think they’re official and corporately sponsored. I could be wrong.

          4. darknova306

            Being paid to report information about something, he should be reasonably expected to do at least a base level of fact-checking. I have no sympathy.

  6. trs86

    Good article. Only issue is that in reality that Bay contract favors the Mets not Bay.

    It’s 4/54.5 with a 8.5M signing bonus. That’s 4/63 and the only way he gets the extra 3 is if we buyout his contract. I would also guess that the signing bonus is spread over the course of time. This is a great deal.

    1. wannybackstra

      I think it is a good deal too but it’s either 4/66 or 5/80.

      He’ll get “the extra 3″ if his $17m option is not picked up for the fifth year. There is no possiblity for him to be paid only $63m.

      1. trs86

        Right, but at this point it’s 4/63 in my opinion. Then you are right it will turn into one or the other. I am thinking about it based on payroll obligations at this point.

        1. wannybackstra

          Jason Bay would be happy to sue you for the $3m difference in opinion because one way or the other that money is an obligation whether it is accompanied by an additional $14m or not.

          1. trs86

            I agree but to me that 3 million goes on 2014′s payroll not any of the next 4 years. Does that make sense?

          2. wannybackstra

            That might be true. I’m not sure to which year the buyout would be applied for luxury tax purposes.

          3. trs86

            Hmmm, I would think it would have to be the following year because you would not have to buy him out until so late?

  7. wannybackstra

    On topic, I think it is too early to judge Omar’s offseason. I like how the Bay situation was ultimately resolved but did the failure to get the deal done quicker cost the team any other opportunities?

    If he ultimately pays Pineiro the same as Randy Wolf because Pineiro is all that is left, e.g. Ollie Perez last year, then Omar’s plan won’t have been as successful.

    In any event, there is still a lot of work to do.

    1. CaseStreet

      very true, hopefully though, Omar signs this year’s Garland instead of this year’s Ollie.

    2. trs86

      Depends, who do we trust to be better over those 3 years? Wolf or Pineiro. To me that is a toss up. However, I think Omar viewed the “2nd” group of pitchers so similar that there was no rush to get any of them. Try and trade for the #2 and then take the one left on a Garland last year type deal.

  8. CaseStreet

    LMFAO at Mattsblog’s post:

    Right now, there are 28,000 comments in queue for MetsBlog.com, submitted by roughly 200 different users, all of whom are not yet able to post at will on MetsBlog.

    I will do my best over the next few days to pick though this list, so to start bringing new users in to the mix.

    To help me out, if your comments repeatedly get put in moderation, please enter your registered screen name below.

    In other words, there are roughly 200 idiots who have made an average of 140 comments each. So after the first couple of tries, didn’t these people realize the Wizard of Oz wouldn’t post their comments?

    1. darknova306

      The whole concept of auditioning to comment on a blog is repulsive. No way would I ever bother to jump through the hoops for a site that does that.

      1. metsfan4decades

        +1 couldn’t agree more.

      2. trs86

        Agreed. How much easier would it be to just have a moderator like MLBTR?

        1. Kingman 26

          He does not care.

          From what we can gather for over a year now, why is this so hard to get?

          He doesn’t care about commenters, could care less about the commenters here, and would have taken the 5 seconds needed to unblock TRS’ and my and Wanny’s and MF4D’s and everyone else’s IP addresses long ago, if it mattered, which it does not.

          What, is he going to say “Guess what? I learned from the suits at SNY that comment boards on the internet mean nothing, so why should I bother with them?”

          1. trs86

            It’s interesting but the “out of the blue” email he sent me yesterday was followed by about 5 or more emails back and forth yesterday in which he ask questions admitting he did not understand the desire to comment, especially on other sites. I tried to explain it to him. I also mentioned that in the early days of his site the comment section had became such an important part of every day life for many of us, just as it has became here. I tried to get him to understand how much I learned about the Mets and baseball in general from that comment section. How I was forced to backup my opinions and make myself more knowledgeable because if not a guy like Wanny would put me on my heels. I then informed him that we have that here, however, being able to comment again on his site would go a long way towards ending the entire disagreement and allow closure.

          2. darknova306

            “admitting he did not understand the desire to comment”

            This seems so absurd. People love talking sports, as you can wittness in person daily, and by listening to radio talk shows and watching shows where people call in. How is commenting on a blog about sports any different? People love sports and love arguing about it, what’s not to understand? Oy. Matt’s really out of touch with people.

          3. trs86

            If this indeed is something that makes you happy you will LOVE the changes we have planned. Get your debate shoes on.

          4. darknova306

            Looking forward to seeing what you guys have planned.

          5. wannybackstra

            Isn’t what Matt does the same as commenting?

            The only difference is that he is so full of himself he thinks his comments are authoritative and that people are clamoring to have his brain power bestowed upon them.

            In reality, his posts do nothing more than generate a topic for other people to discuss intelligently (at least, it used to be that way).

          6. Kingman 26

            BINGO!

            Matt is simply not very knowledgeable about baseball, and if it does not concern the Mets and happened more than 5 years ago, chances are he has no clue.

            His spelling and grammar are high school level, and for him, having uncensored comments combined with huge readership, means all day he will read corrections of his atrocious spelling and writing, and nonstop corrections of his non-facts.

            It is all so very simple really.

          7. Mr North Jersey

            Matt C is the biggest hypocrite does anyone really believe that he “did not understand the desire to comment”? He is full of it it is like Kingman said he could give a rat’s f**k he just like to come off as not being an a$$h0le when explaining why he does certain things.

            Think about it, imagine posting 100+ comments all going into internet limbo till some a$$ with a God complex decides to grant you access to say something that you can say on every other Mets blog with just a registration?

            That is just pathetic.

          8. Kingman 26

            LOL! I think this debate is funny.

            Matt doesn’t want comments. Never did. As soon as he found out he did not need them, he largely ended them.

            What high profile person wants to be reminded all day of how mediocre they are at doing their job?

        2. prismo

          I’m pretty sure MLBTR pays their writers and possibly their moderators as well. Plus Tim isn’t a control freak “from what I can gather.”

          1. trs86

            Nope, the moderators are unpaid. Also most of his writers from what I can tell are basically like interns who are doing it for experience. Time is for sure a control freak but he sets his standards very high and lives up to them for the most part himself.

    2. prismo

      I’m one of those users…and I’ve made maybe 2 or 3 comments in total.

      Needless to say, I will not be “entering my registered screen name below”. TRDMB>MB

    3. CaseStreet

      do you guys really thing that only 200 people have made 28,000 comments? Somthing is funny here.

  9. prismo

    Here I go creating controversy again…
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/john-oleruds-hall-of-fame-case

    For the record, I disagree. Olerud shouldn’t be in the Hall, but neither should Dawson.

    1. trs86

      Not getting into the Dawson discussion again because he is borderline at best. I don’t think even his biggest supporters would say that he was not border line. However, Olerud is just not HOF material. Seriously. There still has be a level of just plain name recognition and respect from fans, writers etc. Olerud was just a nice player. Take a look at Will Clarks stats and tell me how Olerud would even stand a chance. Clark: 2006 BBWAA ( 4.4%).

      1. Kingman 26

        Then go look at Dwight Evans and Dave Parker.

        Dawson surely was not better than either of them.

        Dave Parker was much better.

        1. trs86

          Not getting into the Dawson discussion again because he is borderline at best. LOL

  10. GravediggerHebner

    Like some others in the comments above the sort of passing notion in the post that Omar may have overpaid for Bay stuck out as wrong in a post that I otherwise felt was very right on.

    If I had any thoughts that Omar had overpaid for Bay before, surely I lost those thoughts the moment the Matt Holliday contract was announced. Thankfully there is already growing sentiment among people who report on such things that Holliday’s contract may end up “as one of the worst deals in MLB history” and that the Cardinals were “bidding against themselves.”

    For anyone who hasn’t noticed, as part of this deal the Cards will be paying Holliday until he is 49 years old, I kid you not. Does that make the contract better? Maybe, but with no competition for his services, in this economy, offering someone 7 guaranteed years @ $17 million each and an option for an 8th year @ $17 million is absurd, whether some of it is deferred until 2029 or not, and especially when that someone is not a true “star” of the game and who has some questionable splits over their career.

    And good luck trying to pay Pujols, Wainwright and Carpenter with that Holliday contract on the books. Omar just moved up the GM ranking ladder one slot in my eyes, simply for having not handed out that contract.

    1. trs86

      Agreed, they better keep Duncan for life because the only pitchers they will be able to afford are guys like Ollie after he can’t get a contract in 2012.

    2. CaseStreet

      I think there is a sentiment that if the Cards didn’t go that high, other teams may have been inclined to jump in. Kind of the same argument for Bay. At the price we paid, the Mets were the only suitors, but had his price dropped some, there certainly would’ve been more suitors, thus better not to intice the other sharks if there’s only one fish available.

      1. GravediggerHebner

        That’s a fair point. I have no clear “take that!” retort to it, but I would say that with Bay, we know the Red Sox offered 4/$60. Months later, the Mets followed with their 4/$63 with 5th year option. Those are the only offers I’m aware of and the Mets offer was in line with, but a slight increase over, the only other “known” offer.

        I could be wrong but the only offer this free agency season that I have seen associated with Holliday is Peter Gammons report that the Red Sox offered him the exact same contract that Lackey ultimately got, 5/$82.5, and if that’s true the leap to 7/$120 plus an option from that is a rather large one, and who was the competition, and what would their bids have been?

        1. wannybackstra

          I’m still a little surprised the Yankees did not make some noise to drive up the Lackey or Holliday prices.

          In response to your question I would suggest that perhaps there was another bidder with a strong enough relationship with Boras to have him honor their request to not be acknowledged publicly. Boras might have been happy to oblige so long as he could go in to Mozeliak’s office with a credible yet anonymous offer.

          Ordinarily, this wouldn’t be Boras style — everything would be leaked — but in this case it might have been his only chance to gain some leverage with St. Loo.

          This is pure and utter speculation, of course.

          1. Kingman 26

            I think the Yanks probably finally reached the point of utter ridiculousness last year regarding spending.

            Let’s hope so.

          2. GravediggerHebner

            Speculation is what it’s all about baby! I appreciate that you labeled it speculation though, because normally I just believe every single thing you say to be true fact, like the Mets signing Superman’s father Jo-L.

          3. wannybackstra

            You can doubt me on that one all you want. But when Jo-L leaps the centerfield wall in one single bound you’ll be begging for forgiveness.

          4. CaseStreet

            I think it’s more about how much those guys would improve the team.

            They’re already pretty awesome, so adding another huge contract wouldn’t make that much of a difference.

            That’s prob why the’re not going crazy on Damon.

    3. njstuckintx

      I can see them with Wainwright, Poo-Holes and Holliday (obviously) for the future. Wainwirght over Carpenter for age/injury history/etc. figuring that’s about 62 mil for those 3 (17 / 27 / 17 – and i’ve no clue what the market will bear on Wainwright, but I could see him at 15-17 mil for 4+ years easy when he’s FA material/arbitation buy out), they’ll have their work cut out for them with their future Pineiro reclaimations, Ankiels, and such to make sure payroll doesn’t soar. They’ll be 100 mil range easy in the coming years.

      Bye the bye, when is Carpenter a FA?

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Carpenter has either a club option $15mil for 2012 or a $1 mil buyout.

        One thing I failed to note was that all these key guys are locked up for a couple years at least.

        Pujols – $16 mil club option for 2011
        Wainwright – $9 mil club option for 2012, $12 mil club option for 2013

        So I kind of sideswiped the point when I suggested good luck signing these guys. What I should’ve said was, good luck signing anyone to augment them.

        On that point, the St. Louis Dispatch says this morning that for 2010 the Cards need “an outfielder, an infielder, a reliever and a starter, and have $7.4 mil to spend on them.” To be fair it doesn’t indicate if those OF and IF are to be starters or back ups.

        1. njstuckintx

          I saw that as well. 3B is starter position. OF is for Depth. Figure they’ll probably spend 3-4 on starting 3B (maybe tejada or something along those lines). That leave 3-4 for the other 3, which is tight but can be done.

          1. wannybackstra

            Seems like they were planning on starting prospect David Freese at 3B until he was arrested for DWI. Interesting that such behavior didn’t result in LaRussa losing his position.

          2. GravediggerHebner

            Ah you read the actual article, nice work. That’s what I get for quoting a synopsis. Thanks for the heads up and I agree, not a lot of dough to spread around those positions. As someone else noted above, as long as they have Dave Duncan I can’t really worry about the Cardinals and starting pitchers.

  11. CaseStreet

    I mentioned this last night, I like Melvin Mora for the 3B/OF bench position, a.k.a. the Tatis role. There doesn’t seem to be too many other options.

    Blanco
    Cora
    Pagan
    Garko
    Mora

    1. GravediggerHebner

      If willing to play the role, I think Mora would be fine. I like that Johan has been lobbying him regularly.

      As far as options, Tatis is still one at least in theory right? I think whoever it is must have some semblance of UT/IF/OF capability.

    2. GravediggerHebner

      Uh oh, looks like you inspired a post.

      1. trs86

        LOL, started that one yesterday but then had a sick child. Thus today is the day.

  12. fongy2

    I had lots of opinions on matts
    latest “moderation” post but you
    guys covered them all so,whats the
    point. Good job guys, as usual.

    Even when I/we disagree here at least
    we’re provided the chance to go back
    and forth over a subject.

    Thanks for that, TRS,Dirty,et al.

    As for this thread, I’ve stopped stressing over moves Omar makes or
    doesn’t make.
    Can’t do anything about it, so…..

    You guys know my feelings on most of these moves and potential moves.
    I love the Bay signing,Am O.K. w/the
    few Bullpen pickups, think Cora was
    likely as waste of time AND will
    absolutely hate a Molina signing.

    We still really need a top of the rotation Starter but its looking more and more like we won’t get
    that but instead,maybe,another
    #4 type,or worse.
    Again,though theres nothing I can do about except complain and I’m tired
    of that. I will not be renewing my
    MLB package,at least to start the
    season.
    As always, I will be rooting like crazy for our Mets but can no longer
    justify the investment in time and
    money that I have over the past 35-
    plus seasons,since it appears our
    teams FO isn’t prepared to do whatever is needed to bring a
    Championship to Flushing.

    Whatever’s gonna happen is gonna happen. This team as built now isn’t
    good enough to beat the Phillies and
    would need alot to go right to
    compete for a Wildcard.Those were
    my feelings a year ago and I’m about
    at that point again right now.

    1. Kingman 26

      Ah, when Ollie, Maine, and Pelf are all seeing who will get to 15 wins first around Sept 1, you will be watching that MLB package!

      Now let’s just hope, as Vincent LaGuardia Gambini once said, it is not in your dreams, but in reality!

      1. fongy2

        Hey, fro your mouth
        to God’s ears,my friend!
        I will hold out hope that Pelf rights himself and Pitches
        alot more like he did
        in 2008. Maine gets back to where he was
        2/3 yrs ago AND Ollie
        isn’t a TOTAL disaster
        again. I also hope Johan has no ill effects from his arm
        injury and that KRod
        isn’t on the down side.Further,Reyes,Beltran,etc come out of the gate healthy and
        angry about last season. If all these
        things happen,we got
        a chance to be pretty darn good. At that point,I can see myself
        getting the half season,half price package.Frankly though
        last season, I saw ALOT more West Coast
        baseball than I ever
        thought I would since
        our Mets were unwatchable the 2nd half of the season.

      2. CaseStreet

        My magic 8 ball says:

        Johan 21 Wins
        Pelf 18
        Perez 15
        Maine 13
        Garland 10

        Oh, and best Defense in the NL East. (Castillo comes back 20 pounds lighter and Delgado has a 5 foot glove)

        1. GravediggerHebner

          Was that before or after you snorted that magic 8 ball?

    2. trs86

      Omar is not done yet so lets give the SP time. However, I am not sure what you wanted him to do. I am guessing sign Bay and Lackey but that was never really an option and it does not appear for whatever reason the Mets felt comfortable giving him that type of contract. I will have to trust they know more than we.

      1. fongy2

        Like I said,I refuse
        to stress on it.
        We all know we needed
        a LFer/mid-order power
        hitter and a Top-tier
        #1/2 type SP….MORE
        THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

        Everything else was
        secondary,everything.

        We need an impact Bat
        and Arm. I wanted Lackey because outside
        of him i don’t know
        what other SP we could
        get who you can really
        see as a legit #2.

        All I know, as we sit here on Elvis’ 75th Birthday is that The
        Phillies got better, as did The Yankees, The Red Sox and a few other teams.
        I’m not sure we’re any better than we
        were this time last season.

        1. GravediggerHebner

          Happy Birthday to the King (75) and to Jeff Francoeur (26)!

          1. fongy2

            Thank ya…
            Thank ya very much!

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