“…i have heard from people in the Mets organization who feel piazza could one day see his number retired in Citi Field… the team clearly puts him on the same pedestal as Tom Seaver, having the two featured shoulder to shoulder, with no one else, during various on-field ceremonies over the last few years… however, from what i can gather, the Mets are waiting to see what happens with mike and the Hall of Fame… i actually think this is pretty smart… i mean, if they retire mike’s number and then he is inducted in to the Hall of Fame in a Dodgers cap, or, if they have to retire his number after he’s in the hall as a Dodger, given all the Wilpons-Love-the-Dodgers criticism from Mets fans, i’m thinking that could end up being quite awkward for the team… and so, i can understand why they’re waiting, and letting this play out… mike isn’t eligible until 2012… he last played for the Mets in 2005… so, who knows, maybe in 2015, the 10–year anniversary of him leaving the Mets, maybe that will mark a good time to send up his number…” – Cerrone
I couldn’t disagree with Cerrone any stronger on any topic than I do on this one. So the Mets shouldn’t retire Piazza’s number before he makes the hall because “it may be awkward” if he is inducted as a Dodger? Really? So hypothetically he is inducted as a Dodger that should cease to end his chances of his number retired by the Mets? Bizarre rationale if you ask me. The guy was there for the final game at Shea and the first at CitiField putting him on par with Seaver. I don’t care if Piazza himself said “I see myself as a Dodger” he still would deserve his number retired by the Mets and the majority of Mets fans would agree. Was he an all-time great as a Met? That’s enough for me.Will his game winning homers be erased from our memory if the HOF puts him in as a Dodger? The 9/11 homer vanishes, his top 5 MVP finishes vanish.Somehow Nolan Ryan has his number retired by 3 teams (2 of which he wasn’t inducted to the HOF with) and that’s just one example. Furthermore since when has Fred Wilpon shown any love for the LOS ANGELES Dodgers? He may love his “Bums” but Piazza was an LA Dodger something that has nothing to do with the Brooklyn team Fred grew up cheering for.
28 comments
wannybackstra
1/11/2010-6:40pm at 6:40 pm (UTC -4)
.296 .373 .542 220 HR 655 RBI and a World Series appearance after revitalizing the franchise with star power and star play (not to mention the heroic post 9/11 moment and various other big Mets moments and hits during his tenure).
This is why the Mets need to retire his number regardless of which hat he wears on his HOF placque (a decision he doesn’t even make).
The bottom line is that he was the team’s biggest star since Seaver (and that includes Gooden and Strawberry who just couldn’t be stars long enough).
metsfan4decades
1/11/2010-6:59pm at 6:59 pm (UTC -4)
I can’t believe the reasoning he’s giving – no, he’s actually saying the Mets are giving, for not considering retiring Piazza’s number has anything to do with what cap he goes into the HOF with. Wow, that is just crazy.
njstuckintx
1/11/2010-7:32pm at 7:32 pm (UTC -4)
He’s just babbling for space filler.
I know he tends to be like sandpaper tissues to people, but wouldn’t one think just tuning him out would be best? I really only go there after you all mention something, as the comments lack intelligence (as well as many a post), so I tend to figure there’s no sense going down that road. Granted, they do kick out the posts. TRDMB writers, get a crackin’! Me = kidding.
GravediggerHebner
1/11/2010-8:09pm at 8:09 pm (UTC -4)
To me what stands out like a sore thumb about this is not the topic of Piazza’s number and the Mets retiring it or not, it is that Metsblog’s comment policy is so restrictive that to respond to the topic of a post made there, one must do so elsewhere or have their response languish in moderation for weeks until it is pointless, and possibly never see the light of day at all.
Thankfully there are places like TRDMB and others that allow people like Metro and others to express their thoughts and opinions on all things Met, whether they agree or not.
After reading this post Metro I feel better about TRDMB and blogging than I ever have before. Whether we have a corporate sponsor or a huge audience or not, we can express ourselves freely and easily, which I believe is the American Way.
njstuckintx
1/11/2010-8:21pm at 8:21 pm (UTC -4)
Amen, here here and chip chip cheerio to that post.
GravediggerHebner
1/11/2010-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for putting Mary Poppins in my head.
“Chim chim-in-ey, chim chim-in-ey
Chim chim cher-ee!
A sweep is as lucky, as lucky can be
Chim chim-in-ey, chim chim-in-ey
Chim chim cher-oo!
Good luck will rub off when I shakes ‘ands with you!”
metsfan4decades
1/11/2010-10:22pm at 10:22 pm (UTC -4)
Two words ‘control freak’…..
Your opinion on this is dead on. On a broad note, given the opportunity, most people will take the high road – do the right thing. Was it really necessary to institute auditioning for the right to blog, then have to wait weeks and weeks to pass that audition?
The format of that blog did not have to change to that drastic a level, IMO. Most high traffic blogs, such as mlbtraderumors, has a moderator who will delete posts that violate their posting policy. If you’re the ‘owner’ of the blog, you either take that on yourself or hire/delegate that responsibility. I can only assume he’s opposed to delegating – as he’s admittedly said he’s reluctant to give up any control – and could not keep up with handling that moderation himself b/c of the high volume of traffic.
GravediggerHebner
1/11/2010-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
Many of us here and I mean both authors and commenters, as well as those at Amazin’ Avenue and other Met related blogs were already seasoned veteran commenters at Mattsblog.
I am sure I have too high an opinion of myself and all these other people I mention, but to ask us to audition for the privilege of doing something we’d already been doing well for some time, at the same place we’d been doing it, and for the same people we’d been doing it for makes me think of John Lennon on the roof of the Apple building in 1969, after the Beatles finished their last public live performance, jokingly saying to the crowd “I hope we passed the audition.”
stickguy
1/11/2010-10:31pm at 10:31 pm (UTC -4)
just since you mentioned MB, In a post yesterday, there were a bunch of people all excited that they had escaped moderation. And yes, they were continuing to post repeatedly, knowing they were talking to themselves. So, the big guy really must be cleaning uot the old in box.
Piazza? LA should have nothing to do with what the Mets do. Lets just wait and see what the new Met HOF committe comes up with. They really should have put Greg Prince on that!
jaded1983
1/12/2010-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
As a fan of this site (I even contributed an article a few months back!), metsblog, amazin avenue, brooklyn mets fan, etc., the constant criticism of metsblog seems pretty childish from an impartial view point.
I’ve been here since the beginning, know the reason why you guys started this site, etc. I dont hold any loyalty to MC, I just like to read as much as I can about the Mets, especially some of the more educated folks on this site comment’s.
I know some of you guys have personal gripes with Cerrone and thats fine, and its also fine to debate his work, but I gotta say, tone down stuff like this cause it makes someone like me less inclined to read this site. I want to talk mets, I dont want to have to wade through multiple comments bashing Cerrone.
I’m sure some people will flame me for saying this, but its some honest criticism so take it for what it is.
That said, as always, LGM!
GravediggerHebner
1/12/2010-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
I hear you and I find your criticism completely valid but I would add in the case of this particular post, called “Really Cerrone?” what did you expect the post and comments to be about? It’s title could allow one to infer it’s content and simply skip it if they didn’t enjoy/appreciate the topic and it’s likely resulting comments.
However in the context of posts and/or comments in threads about other topics I completely agree with your stand on the topic: it’s old and we should move on.
trs86
1/12/2010-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
Criticism noted. Of an interesting note is that I do not screen the articles written for this site. The authors are left to their own as to what they want to speak about. Metro is a “new guy” on here and as far as I know not connected to us in any way based on the difficulties with Metsblog in the past. In fact he found out we were searching for authors through MB. I for one have moved on from Mr. Cerrone and we have even had a pleasant email exchange recently. Thanks Jaded and I will send out an email to the authors suggesting to keep issues between sites on a personal basis instead of in our post.
jaded1983
1/12/2010-3:23pm at 3:23 pm (UTC -4)
My pleasure guys, like I said I really do enjoy coming here (its one of my bookmark tabs in firefox!)
I just dont want to see anyone walk away from the great comments/debate that are on this site over silly little things.
And I agree I knew what was going to be in this thread before commenting, just figured this would be the appropriate thread to post the observation in.
Now for something we can all agree on, how about some pitching Omar! haha LGM!
GravediggerHebner
1/12/2010-3:34pm at 3:34 pm (UTC -4)
Well said. Thanks for bookmarking us and hopefully, with occasional honest unbiased prompting such as yours here today, we can continue to earn that from you and others.
Mr North Jersey
1/12/2010-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
Are you referring to the post?
If so the post is nothing more than Metro having a different point of view on something MC said. He did not attack him personally in any way. He did the same thing that Ted Quarters did when he replied with a post about a comment Bob Klapish made.
Now if you are talking about the comments then I can’t help you there because unlike MC’s blog here you can say what you like without fear of retribution or banishment or moderation.
Mr North Jersey
1/12/2010-3:25pm at 3:25 pm (UTC -4)
If you want to take it a step further then comments made hear are no worse than when MC makes a rude comment regarding Mike Francesa and yet his comments go unchallenged in his posts.
I wonder why?
jaded1983
1/12/2010-3:33pm at 3:33 pm (UTC -4)
No, no, not this post in particular. There was nothing wrong here. I just used this post since I thought it was appropriate.
I’m certainly not trying to tell anyone how to run their blog as I definitely enjoy this one. I just simply posted something I have noticed, and voiced an opinion since as you said I can “say what I like without fear of retribution or banishment or moderation”
Mr North Jersey
1/12/2010-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
I understand Jaded1983 I’m glad that you can appreciate that you can say what you like without fear of retribution or banishment or moderation.
I can only speak for myself but MC will be for me what Francesa is to MC and many Mets fans.
It is funny though that as I use the Francesa comparison. I personally am a big fan of Francesa myself. Go figure.
trs86
1/12/2010-3:55pm at 3:55 pm (UTC -4)
Interesting enough we also can’t deny the monster that Cerrone has built. I don’t think I still could go long without using MB as a resource.
CaseStreet
1/12/2010-3:31pm at 3:31 pm (UTC -4)
yeah but, even Matt’s buddy Ted disagreed with him on this topic.
The authors on this blog have never toned down any criticism of Francesa, Klapisch, or any other talking head before, to tone it down because it’s Cerrone wouldn’t be right.
Is the problem that the article is critical of Cerrone specifically? Would you feel the same way if it was critical of Francesa or someone else?
jaded1983
1/12/2010-3:38pm at 3:38 pm (UTC -4)
Nope, no problem criticizing Cerrone’s article. Free speach FTW!
My post was simply meant as an opinion from one of this site’s posters that *sometimes* people go beyond debating his work, to debating the person instead.
I’m all for debating his work since its mets related and thats the reason I come here. I just could care less about the personal stuff, and yes I do skip it all, but its a turn off sometimes. Instead of trying to read past it, I just end up logging off the site and I dont want that to happen, thats all my friend.
jaded1983
1/12/2010-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
speech*
trs86
1/12/2010-3:51pm at 3:51 pm (UTC -4)
Interesting. Yeah, I think some of us because we can’t comment on MB use this comment section to comment on some of his current articles. If they do turn personal I am not sure it’s intended.
wannybackstra
1/12/2010-3:38pm at 3:38 pm (UTC -4)
Anyway, I don’t think this topic really produced many anti-Matt attacks. I think Matt provided a topic of discussion with which people here almost unanimously disagreed.
Mr North Jersey
1/12/2010-3:41pm at 3:41 pm (UTC -4)
Circle gets the square.
I feel Metro did not do anything wrong whatsoever and if he did then someone will have to point it out to me cause I don’t see it.
CaseStreet
1/12/2010-3:50pm at 3:50 pm (UTC -4)
gotcha,
I admit, it’s fun to pick on Matt.
CaseStreet
1/12/2010-3:51pm at 3:51 pm (UTC -4)
I guess you can say we are a bit “Jaded”
jaded1983
1/12/2010-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
haha nicely done!