Jan 14
Jon Heyman on Mike Francesa’s radio show says Dr. Steadman and Altcheck discussed it (Beltran’s surgery) and approved that Steadman would operate on Beltran’s Knee.
“not sure what is going on with the Mets but if Heyman is correct this only begs the question what exactly did the Mets do to address the lack of communication issues that they had in 2009?”
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32 comments
CaseStreet
1/14/2010-4:31pm at 4:31 pm (UTC -4)
Gets stranger and stranger.
metsfan4decades
1/14/2010-4:46pm at 4:46 pm (UTC -4)
You just knew there was more to this story than first reported.
MF is making it sound like the Mets issue is solely with Boras and the process. He’s saying they have no issue at all with Beltran.
MF is also going on about how the Mets opening season and lineup suddenly does not look that good. Hey Mike, I guess you had the same thing to say about the Yankees last year when ARod was slated to miss 1/3 of the season, right? Yankees couldn’t possibly replace his talent anymore than we’re going to replace Beltran’s here, on such short notice.
GravediggerHebner
1/14/2010-4:47pm at 4:47 pm (UTC -4)
I sort of thought we knew this already.
For me the question is, and we’ll probably never know so I’m not going to dwell on it much, did Dr. Altcheck say “yeah he needs it, yeah you can do it, go ahead” which is something he’s not authorized to do so then he’s at fault, or did he say “yeah he needs it, yeah you can do it, if the Mets approve it, talk to them” and Boras/Beltran failed to do that so then it’s Boras/Beltran’s fault.
Either way I don’t see the Mets as being the party doing the wrong thing here, it’s either their doctor or some combo of the player & agent.
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
I think it’s that if Altcheck knew Beltran was having surgery how is it that the Mets did not know till after he had the surgery?
GravediggerHebner
1/14/2010-5:09pm at 5:09 pm (UTC -4)
That’s a question that I don’t know the answer to but it seems to me it’s an issue between the Mets and Boras/Beltran, unless there is something in a contract between either Beltran and the Mets or between Altchek and the Mets that expresses otherwise.
Bottom line for me I can’t get caught up in “who knew what when” or “who was supposed to do what when” because I am much more concerned with the Mets being without Beltran for a period of time that we can’t determine with much accuracy than I am with how that happened.
wannybackstra
1/14/2010-5:12pm at 5:12 pm (UTC -4)
Indeed. We should be worried more about Angel Pagan playing CF regularly than we should be about whose fault it is that Beltran had surgery when he did.
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-5:13pm at 5:13 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed but let’s not forget the frustrations of last season with what was being reported about injuries and what the actual reality was.
The Mets did make a point of noting that they were aware of communication issues and promised this would be addressed. Yet here we are in 2010 and so far it looks like we are still seeing more of the same.
GravediggerHebner
1/14/2010-5:46pm at 5:46 pm (UTC -4)
I think your key phrase is “looks like.”
The Mets can’t call Carlos Beltran every 45 seconds and ask “are you having surgery without our permission?” They spoke Tuesday night and agreed to speak again Wednesday. When they spoke Wednesday, the surgery had already happened. Given what happened last year this is unfortunate, but it’s not really the same thing at all and I just can’t blame the Mets for this one.
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-5:58pm at 5:58 pm (UTC -4)
I guess I am missing something. It is my impression that the Mets were not told Beltran was having the surgery Wednesday morning even though unless I am mistaken the team doctor Dr Altcheck knew Beltran was going to have the surgery the day before according to Heyman.
I see that as a possible lack of communication which on it’s own is not a big deal but when I look at how 2009 was failure after failure of as the Mets described a lack of communication that needed to be addressed.
If they did address it then not knowing their star player was having surgery when their team doctor did does not bode well.
I will say that I am not (at least I hope) necessarily looking to blame but rather trying to understand how such a thing could happen especially when they made a concerted effort to keep such things from ever happening in 2010 to begin with.
GravediggerHebner
1/14/2010-6:05pm at 6:05 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know for sure how it went down but in a comment above I outlined 1 way that it could happen that would not be the Mets fault, which is if Altchek says “OK, I agree he needs the surgery, discuss it with the Mets” and Boras/Beltran go forward with the surgery without having that discussion.
All the parties here are adults, I don’t think Altcheck is obligated in my supposed instance to call the Mets and say “by the way just letting you know I said it was cool and told them to call you.”
If it did go down this way there is a lack of communication as you suggest, specifically a lack of Boras/Beltran contacting the Mets and saying “I’m having surgery, eff you guys.”
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-6:09pm at 6:09 pm (UTC -4)
True, looking at it that way your scenario makes sense.
I guess we wait now and see if this ends up being much ado about nothing.
GravediggerHebner
1/14/2010-6:16pm at 6:16 pm (UTC -4)
To be fair the problem with my scenario is that it’s just that, a scenario. I don’t know what the truth is. I’m just desperate for a realistic way to make it as benign as possible.
wannybackstra
1/14/2010-6:30pm at 6:30 pm (UTC -4)
“So, what’s the, what’s the, scenario?”
stickguy
1/14/2010-5:12pm at 5:12 pm (UTC -4)
I would assume that Altchek did not bother to call the Met FO and tell them? If it was like Grave said, then it really was on Boras
I know it is fashionable to blame everything including the recent earthquake on the incompetence of the Met FO, but it is possible that they aren’t at fault here.
I still don’t see the point of a 3rd opinion if you have 2 of the premier ortho guys in agreement already, but what do I know?
wannybackstra
1/14/2010-5:15pm at 5:15 pm (UTC -4)
Probably more than Jeffy Wilpon and Omar Minaya.
oleosmirf
1/14/2010-4:57pm at 4:57 pm (UTC -4)
maybe the Mets wanted to consult a different doctor.
either way its done and over with. now go and get pitching…
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-4:58pm at 4:58 pm (UTC -4)
Our lack of starting pitching, you just had to remind me.
CaseStreet
1/14/2010-5:02pm at 5:02 pm (UTC -4)
With our luck, the Mets will sign Sheets and Smoltz.
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-5:05pm at 5:05 pm (UTC -4)
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
metsfan4decades
1/14/2010-5:10pm at 5:10 pm (UTC -4)
LOL.
I just wonder, will I ever be able to think about or comment about, the start of any Met season and not preface with ‘If all are healthy’…….
Consensus of analysts on Daily News Live on SNY is, if Beltran is slated to be back mid May, then go with Pagan. He’s as good, if not better than any FA CF left out there. They have nothing against getting some insurance.
MF thinks the Mets should sign Damon. Move Bay to CF and let Damon play LF.
You know, Mike – sometimes it’s not just all about the bat……
wannybackstra
1/14/2010-5:08pm at 5:08 pm (UTC -4)
Anything beyond the fact that Beltran is injured is a non-story to me.
I don’t know why the Mets continually leak information on things that happen in the front office. Guys like Sherman and Heyman should have their e-mails and phone numbers filtered.
Anyway, the CBA might require that if such a grievance were to be filed that notice of the same is required within a certain amount of time. This type of procedural step alerts the relevant parties but also leads to the filing of notices which will never be followed upon just for the purpose of reserving the opportunity.
I have no idea if this is the case with the MLB CBA but such scenarios are common to commencing administrative claims (and lawsuits against municipalities) and certain union grievances.
wannybackstra
1/14/2010-5:10pm at 5:10 pm (UTC -4)
I should say preserving, not reserving…
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-5:10pm at 5:10 pm (UTC -4)
What he said your Honor.
wannybackstra
1/14/2010-5:29pm at 5:29 pm (UTC -4)
Will the Mets be among the teams attending Ben Sheets’s audition?
Does his audition really matter since it won’t give any indication as to whether he will make it through an entire start, let alone a season?
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-5:30pm at 5:30 pm (UTC -4)
“From what i can gather” I think that MC gathers the Mets will be there.
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-5:34pm at 5:34 pm (UTC -4)
Off Topic – I dare anyone to listen to David Wright’s interview yesterday with Francesa and count how many times Wright says “You Know”.
It must be around 50 times.
“You know?”
GravediggerHebner
1/14/2010-5:50pm at 5:50 pm (UTC -4)
When I was a kid Art Rust Jr. used to play a sound bite of a Mike Easler interview in which Easler said “you know” roughly 15 times in 30 seconds.
He started and ended every sentence with that phrase, and peppered it in the middle of most of them too.
Along the lines of “You know I think you know I had a good look you know. You know the pitch was you know down the middle you know and I you know got a good swing you know. You know I squared it up and you know I you know hit it good you know. You know we won the you know ballgame and you know it felt good you know to contribute you know.”
Hazmet
1/14/2010-6:02pm at 6:02 pm (UTC -4)
“They don’t think it be like it is, but it do.”
Oscar Gamble
Kingman 26
1/14/2010-6:06pm at 6:06 pm (UTC -4)
Pineiro at 2/15 if that is in fact a real-world rumor. As much as I detest him at 4/40, 2/15 would make Omar look good.
Sheets for 1/10.
Gotta do it.
Yes, potentially a rotation of Johan, Pineiro, Pelf, Ollie, Maine/Niese/?
But also possibly Johan, Sheets, Pineiro, Pelf, Ollie/Maine/Niese/?
Mr North Jersey
1/14/2010-6:11pm at 6:11 pm (UTC -4)
Any chance we can still get both a Sheets and a Arroyo?
GravediggerHebner
1/14/2010-6:13pm at 6:13 pm (UTC -4)
I was reading a blog called ‘Seattle Sports Insider’ and they did a pretty thorough (at least more thorough than I could hope to do) breakdown of Pineiro and concluded that what it was that he discovered last year that made his ball move so much is something he should be able to continue and that eventually the league will catch on and render it less effective, but their hypothesis was Pineiro could get away with his new sinker for the bulk of a 2 year contract and that therefore in their opinion he was well worth 2/$15.
They suggested he would be able to get away with it longer if he went back to the AL where fewer batters have seen his new found sinker but that even staying in the NL he should be OK for most of the next 2 years.
One comparison they used was Scott Erickson, they noted how he was fairly dominant for a couple years with a wicked sinker but then the league figured it out and he was never the same. How they “prove” this theory is beyond me but it was an interesting read.
wannybackstra
1/14/2010-6:28pm at 6:28 pm (UTC -4)
At this point, with no clear front of the rotation starter available I endorse the as many eggs in the basket as possible strategy, particularly at the prices you suggest.