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Jan 14

LaRoche Signs with the D-backs

Adam LaRoche has signed a 1-year, $4.5MM deal with the Diamondbacks, according to Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (via MLBTR). LaRoche has hit for an OPS over .800 each of the past four seasons, at least 20 home runs for the past five seasons,  and plays an average first-base defensively.

LaRoche turned down a two year, $17.5MM contract with the Giants just a few weeks ago. He’s probably shooting himself in the foot right about now, as no other team would even match the Giants’ offer. Of course, Omar’s probably aiming at his own head, as instead of signing free agents, the Mets are actually losing players!

This will likely further rumors of the Mets resigning Delgado, much to my chagrin. Sources have claimed that the Mets do not want to commit to Murphy as their everyday 1B this season, although they may not have a choice in the matter. Other first base options still on the market include Ryan Garko, Mike Jacobs, Russell Branyon, and Hank Blalock.

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103 comments

  1. dirtysanchez

    so…what number will gado wear this year

    1. CaseStreet

      doesn’t matter. He’ll only wear it for a day, then wipe his butt with the guaranteed millions he suckered out of Omar.

      1. Kingman 26

        + A bunch.

  2. DNDJohan aka kistics

    so much for all these talks…

  3. CaseStreet

    well, there’s always Russell Branyan w/ his .347 OBP and .520 SLG.

    1. CaseStreet

      he’ll probably be much cheaper than LaRoche, too.

    2. trs86

      The one that the M’s decided that Casey Kotchman was an upgrade? The one that could not finish the season due to his back? The one that hit this in the 2nd half? .193 .274 .414 .688

      I trust Delgado to produce more than him.

      1. CaseStreet

        beggers can’t be choosers.

        re: Delgado read above.

        1. trs86

          I am not begging yet. Again, this is a guy who is just as or even less likely than Delgado to be healthy.

  4. Kingman 26

    Shooting himself in the food?

    Very interesting….so Mo Vaughan would need tons of ammo to obliterate all of those mounds of pastrami….Turk Wendell probably would just be firing at his soon-to-be next meal anyway.

    1. prismo

      Can you tell I haven’t eaten yet today?

      1. Kingman 26

        :-)

  5. tkfj

    Lets be honest Laroche was never on the Mets radar. If Omar has a choice between Delgado and any other of the options out there he’s going to choose Delgado 99 times out of 100, as long as he suckers Omar into believing he can still play. Oy vey, figured Delgado was done after last season, pretty sure every Mets fan thought he was done.

    1. trs86

      Hmmm, my question is if this is true why was the deal not completed earlier? It may indeed still happen but you have to think the time taken shows the Mets were not set in their mind. We know based on Alex Cora that if they were…

      1. dirtysanchez

        well they are still evaluating gado. No sense in signing him when he is still recovering from hip surgery. If gado is useless (in the mets eyes) than murphy will be full time 1b man and a very outside chance they snag garko to be backup but i totally agree with tk that laroche was never on the mets radar

        1. fongy2

          What the heck Dirt, Why not just sign Delgado now and start 2010
          off just like
          we played most of 2009, paying 10s of millions to The Carlos’ to
          sit on the DL.

          1. dirtysanchez

            well they might actually take your advice and sign him now fong lol. I think if gado cannot prove to them that he can be a viable option for 1b for ST than they will leave 1b to murph and try and get someone like garko

        2. trs86

          I also agree that he most likely was NOT on the Mets radar. I have no idea if he would have become on the radar due to Beltran.

          As for the point on Delgado, that is also my point. If it was a forgone conclusion that he would be with the Mets in 2010 he would already be here.

          1. dirtysanchez

            Its not a forgone conclusion yet…Met are still evaluating him. However, its like a 98% chance they will resign him…again we dont even know what gados terms are or what he is looking for in regards to a contract.

  6. fongy2

    Glad to see you guys are back up!

    When I became aware of this Beltran story lastnight,I was dyin’ to see what some of ya’ll were sayin’!

    I’ve said many, many times….
    “the fish stinks from the head,down”

    How the heck does Omar still have his job????

    What other GM , in his position
    who given his power has made such as
    mess of so many things and who has
    hired so many underlings who are so
    incompetent, still manage to maintain their jobs???

    And to any of you who think Beltran
    will be back and on the field in
    April,playing like Beltran of ’07….
    go do some research of his injury.
    We’re likely to never see THAT Beltran again AND I think it’s likely we don’t see Beltran AT ALL
    until after Memorial Day. AND who
    knows what type of player he is w/o his legs.
    Just another reason you don’t sign players to contracts beyond 4 or 5
    yrs!

    1. trs86

      Research on what though? At this point it is a scope not micro surgery. Here is the issue if it was a normal scope 8-12 is too long. If it was micro then he is done for a long time. My guess is it’s in the middle.

    2. tkfj

      Fongy you know it. I’m pretty sure before 2005, when the new regime took over, we sucked but at least there wasnt constant turmoil in the FO like know. It’s gotten to the point where it is so sad that you almost have to laugh.

      1. metsfan4decades

        Oh, but some of you guys are way too young for what I still consider the worst GM of all time….and that’s M. Donald Grant. Anyone in his right mind, would have met Seavers demands and signed on the dotted line. Grant single handedly doomed the Mets to one of the worst decades I ever had to suffer through with them.

        Omar doesn’t even come close to that stupidity. It’s Omar’s poor skills at speaking – being the mouthpiece for the Mets, that gets him in the most trouble.

        A good PR group would go a long way towards turning some of this around.
        That leaves Omar to do what Omar should be doing – putting the best damn team together the budget can buy.

        1. Kingman 26

          Not to mention how ridiculous and really dumb it is to fondly look back at the 2002–2004 era.

          Yeah, that was preferable to 2005–2009.

        2. trs86

          Looks like they are already taking steps towards that in that Ricco will do the press conference today.

          Kingman responding to you here because it’s so slow today for me.

          I agree Omar has done wonders but at this point he is in charge of a team that can’t get out of it’s on way and every situation turns into a pr disaster. Sometimes based on a chain of events you get canned even when it’s not even something YOU did.

          1. fongy2

            And b/t/w,
            Lets take a real look back at the
            disaster Omar
            took over,
            Two cornerstone young,inexpensive players
            had already reached the Majors in Wright and Reyes,
            Aging Stars Piazza
            and Glavine entering the final yr of their bloated deals,
            Leiter
            and Franco
            contracts up
            after
            that’04
            season,
            new ballpark and network
            as well as
            the monies from MLB.com
            and it’s Network about to start flowing
            in. The team not stuck with unmovable long term deals except
            maybe Matsui and even that wasn’t
            a given.
            NOW,take a look at
            the mess this team is today if it
            were Omar’s last day….
            And given the resources and power provided,he’s job a good job???

          2. trs86

            Right and what are those long term messes the next guy will have?

    3. trs86

      Also your last point makes little to no sense. Say the Mets had signed him to a 3 year deal. You don’t think they would have wanted to re-sign him after 2008? Obviously they would not have wanted to after 2009 but you can’t cherry pick years like that.

  7. prismo

    Only $4.5MM. What a steal for the d-backs.

    1. DNDJohan aka kistics

      Wow… it is a steal..

    2. CaseStreet

      that’d be a great signing. too bad Omar is busy w/ Molina.

      $4.5M is only $2.5M more than Cora and it wouldn’t “block” Davis.

      There’s your 2010 Abreu, though I think there’ll be many more this year.

      And I guarantee you, Delgado’s guaranteed portion of his contract will be somewhere around $4-$5M with incentives that double his contract.

      1. trs86

        I don’t get the too busy part. While courting Molina he has signed Bay, brought in two relievers that were praised as good moves, and courted pitchers.

        1. CaseStreet

          sarcasm my friend. Obviously Omar isn’t waiting by the phone.

          Still though, to let an opportunity to upgrade 1B for so little money, seems like he’s too busy.

          I know Omar has a plan, it’s just not a good plan

          1. GravediggerHebner

            Old Metsblog friend Gina comments often at Amazin Avenue, and there you are allowed to have a “signature phrase” that appears with all of your comments. Hers is:

            “We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan” – Omar Minaya

          2. trs86

            Just don’t know if the plan is good or not, yet.

  8. DNDJohan aka kistics

    So with LaRoche gone, what other options do we have to add on Power especially with Beltran out?

    Delgado IF healthy

    Murphy/Garko or Murphy/Blalock platoon? Would this be enough to pick up some slack until Beltran is all healthy? Not sure

    Dye. Have him play LF and Bay play CF till Beltran comes back. Dye can then play 1B with Murphy when Beltran. Upside is power, health and bit of consistency. But the huge downside is the defense in the OF.

    Gomes/Thames to play LF and Bay play CF. Similar to Dye option, but cheaper and more Ks.

    Any other options?

    1. trs86

      LOL on a Dye, Bay, Fenchy OF. Might as well roll the ball to the plate so they can’t get it to the OF.

      1. DNDJohan aka kistics

        Yeah…. thought just throw something out there….

  9. GravediggerHebner

    I think the team truly does believe in Murphy. They sure have talked him up like crazy and given him serious opportunities for over a year now. I think he’s the 1B.

    So with Beltran out, signing a guy that can play both 1B and OF seems to make the most sense to me. But how many guys can truly play both 1B and CF? Pagan is going to see a lot of playing time for whatever the length of Beltran’s absence is, and given Pagan’s fragility someone capable of playing Major League CF is pretty mandatory.

    I also think Hairston Jr. just moved up the priority list.

    1. dirtysanchez

      I think hairston is a good move…ideally it would be nady but he wont be ready.

    2. trs86

      Jeremy Reed. LOL
      OK more seriously, I think, Johnny Damon as previously suggested. He won’t be great but has experience at both.

      1. GravediggerHebner

        If you’re talking about Damon’s 7 career games at 1B, none of them starts, I’m still waiting for the “more serious” part of your comment.

        1. trs86

          More in line with the games in CF.

          1. GravediggerHebner

            He’s such a poor OF at this point, I’d much rather Ankiel for his OF prowess, and give him a 1B glove too. He probably has as much experience just covering 1B when he was a pitcher as Damon does.

          2. trs86

            Yeah, I like Ankiel too. I guess I was thinking however that Damon lessens the offensive blow much more than Ankiel.

          3. GravediggerHebner

            Perhaps. Certainly if we demolish Citi and have to play our home games at New Yankee.

            Generally I’m thinking get to and catch the ball, then be able to throw it first, be able to hit it second.

          4. trs86

            True Damon was never a good CF. Last year was however a down year for him in LF. Who knows why.

            I guess it would depend on how long Beltran is gone. But your “signing a guy that can play both 1B and OF seems to make the most sense to me” to me qualified Damon over some others because a guy like Garko obviously could not play CF.

          5. Mr North Jersey

            Minaya will not bring anybody in in fact Ricco will give the statement that Mets fans are waiting for when he says,

            “We just have to wait for the cavalry to arrive”

  10. GravediggerHebner

    This is not anything official but simply my own creation, and I could be forgetting someone, but this is a sampling of the Mets current depth chart:

    LF – Bay, Pagan, FMart, Carter
    CF – Pagan, FMart
    RF – Francoeur, Pagan, FMart
    1B – Murphy, Evans, Carter

    That would seem to cry out for someone capable of playing CF because of Pagan’s injury history and FMart’s inexperience combined with his injury history. It also cries out for an OF in general because Pagan can’t start in CF while also backing up both corners.

    1. trs86

      So that leaves question in CF, question in CF backup, question in RF and backups, question, question and question at 1B.

      1. GravediggerHebner

        In terms of performance yes I agree.

        In terms of health, I think it leaves a question in CF. It’s health history, not performance history, that I’m concerned with right now. The team can’t open the season counting on Pagan/FMart in CF given their histories. Murphy at least so far shows up for work.

        1. trs86

          True, neither are healthy. I just think that with the values on the market and uncertainty with Beltran we have to improve as many positions as possible. We can’t go in with question marks at almost every position and gigantic ones at CF and 1B.

          1. GravediggerHebner

            Absolutely reasonable point which I see the logic in.

            You have made your doubt in Murphy pretty clear. I just don’t share it, at least not nearly as strong as yours.

            Ultimately I am much more concerned with two fragile inexperienced CF being the only two CF on the organization’s depth chart than I am with three not-fragile inexperienced 1B.

          2. trs86

            LOL< you are not asking me to rank them. I agree CF is more pressing but now 1B has became much more pressing than it was before Beltran went down.

  11. fongy2

    This entire Beltran episode is just
    more proof that this FO and Org really is a joke!
    How is it posible that a player
    who you have a 120million dollar
    investment in isn’t better cared
    for when injured,then allowed to
    have “his own people” make decisions
    on surgery?…In mid January?

    Really! What a friggin’ joke Omar is!

  12. Mr North Jersey

    I posted this in the other thread but I think it is better here.

    As far as outfielders/1st baseman go, isn’t the Chris Carter of the Wagner trade a better option than FMART or Delgado?

    I know he supposedly has a decent bat and he has been playing winterball.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l135&t=p_pbp&pid=452080

    1. GravediggerHebner

      It’s been in the back of my mind since he was acquired that he’ll be on the 25 man roster, but right now the Mets need someone capable of playing CF more than they do of playing 1B IMO because with Murphy, Evans and Carter they have at least some false depth at 1B. For CF I believe all the organization has today is Pagan and FMart.

      So if Pagan is the starting CF, with Beltran on the DL, what is the bench?

      Cora
      Blanco
      Carter
      ?
      ?

      I think at least one of those ? needs to be a viable CF (at least defensively).

      1. fongy2

        Add a CFer to the needs not yet addressed by Omar
        over the past almost four months now!
        We’re still waiting on a #2SP, a set-up man/Insurance for KRod, and a Righty
        Bat/1B to supplement
        Murphy at 1B!
        Omar however, is still
        playing footsie with
        an aging,overweight
        Catcher and an even
        more aging,now often-injured former 1B turned DH.
        Great!!!!
        Gotta laugh, to keep from crying!!

        1. Mr North Jersey

          Ditto

        2. GravediggerHebner

          Over the last 18 months or so I have certainly disagreed with you on some of the particulars Fongy, but in general yes Omar is like the milk in the fridge with the past expired date on it. Why we are even opening the carton and taking a whiff instead of just throwing it out and getting a new carton is beyond me at this point.

          1. dirtysanchez

            my questions is that i wonder if all of this is omars fault. Yes there are many things that fall on omar but crap like this…i dont know who you blame. From what i read, the mets have such a loose organization that there really isnt someone’s position to blame.

          2. GravediggerHebner

            I don’t believe it’s all Omar’s fault, but it’s all happening on his watch.

            It’s my opinion that he should’ve been let go immediately after the Adam Rubin fiasco. Everything that happens since then, right or wrong, directly attributable to him or not, is just piling on an already terrible situation. The organization is a laughing stock right or wrong, and the small handful of things that Omar might have been able to do to change that haven’t happened.

            The organization needs a chance to climb out from under the huge pile of sh!t that continues to build on it, and Omar still being here makes that more difficult (to be fair, not impossible, but obviously more difficult). Changing the guy at the top might not alleviate the dark cloud the team is under, I realize that, but it would be the most visible obvious move that the organization could make to show that they’re trying to get out from under that cloud.

          3. trs86

            Agreed. Right or wrong the guy in charge gets the blame. The Mets are indeed a laughing stock and he is supposed to be in charge.

        3. trs86

          Thing is I still don’t think that Omar and the entire Mets can’t multi-task. They were rumored to be close to Molina before they signed Bay, and 2 relievers to compete for setup man. We know they are talking to Pineiro. Thus I don’t see this as Omar spending all of his time on catcher. He has identified the guy he wants at catcher and sees no reason for urgency on it. Also, before we bring him down for signing Delgado, can we let him sign him?

    2. trs86

      I think the problem is he can’t field. Thus his ability to play OF is moot. He can’t play anything in the OF but LF. Then looking at 1B he is also LH.

  13. Mr North Jersey

    If you are interested in a live hot stove video feed MLB The Hot Stove will be airing in 2 minutes.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=6261176

    1. GravediggerHebner

      I am not sure but isn’t that a “replay” of last night’s 6:00pm show from the mlb network?

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Nevermind, I see that it’s not. I thought they only did this online version during the winter meetings, my bad.

    2. metsfan4decades

      OMG – ‘The Mets are looking really, really bad’.

      Yup. We’re picking up on 2010 right where we left off in 2009. It’s going to be so much fun.

      Expect nothing, then everything you get is gravy. Hopefully, we’ll all be surprised.

  14. oleosmirf

    while Beltran being hurt sucks unless they vastly improve the SP this team is not making the playoffs anyway…

    1. trs86

      True, but you can do that during the season. If you signed a C type pitcher and had Beltran we are not out of contention. Now without Beltran it may force us to bring in that #2 now instead of waiting.

  15. GravediggerHebner

    With LaRoche in AZ, as the MLB live guys point out this means Conor Jackson plays LF, which makes the oft-injured Eric Byrnes available.

    Just noting it. I don’t think getting the oft-injured Eric Byrnes is any smarter than getting Delgado.

    IMO whoever the team brings in needs to have a pretty healthy resume.

    1. trs86

      Hmmmm, well that is an interesting thought because you know where I will go with it.

      Byrnes has not played much CF since 2006 but he was a very good CF at that time.

      He’s owed 11 million for this season which is hmmm about the same as Castillo. Could this lead to the previously rumored Castillo for Byrnes swap?

      The Dbacks do have Gerardo Parra knocking on Chris Young’s door but not sure they would trade either of those. Would they consider trading Jackson again?

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Well if they could pull off Castillo for Byrnes then sign that Hudson fella or that Lopez guy, I think they’ve slightly upgraded the range at 2B which makes me more comfortable signing any of the remaining FA ground ball SPs, and makes me feel a bit better about the depth in the OF.

        It’s still oft-injured depth, but now it’s 3 guys instead of 2 which if this weren’t the Mets would give me plenty of confidence.

        Related, the DBacks 2B depth chart is currently filled with Murphy-esque question marks.

        1. trs86

          Agreed.

  16. Mr North Jersey

    John Ricco 2:00pm conference call just announced on MLB’s Online Hot Stove Show

    1. fongy2

      Hopefully, Ricco will be announcing he’s taking over for Omar! That would be
      a start.

  17. fongy2

    Dirty, to your question of whether
    this is all Omar’s fault.
    Is he NOT in charge?
    Didn’t he hire all the Coaches,Mgrs,
    Triners,scouts, directors,assistants,
    etc,etc,friggin’ etc???
    He had a free hand to do whatever and
    spend almost whatever he wanted AND
    THIS mess is what we got.
    Please! Stop already with the attempts to defend this mans
    job performance, and that of those HE hired! It’s really absurd at this
    point.

    1. dirtysanchez

      oh by no means was that an attempt to defend omar..i really just wanted to know. Ive read many reports that the mets organization does not have “structure” and its a more family environment…that being said i wondered if omar is “really” pulling all the strings or is just the fall guy and even with his firing these type of incidents will keep occurring..

      1. fongy2

        My friend, he might not be now BUT he was for yrs. Please see my
        above 11:55am post.
        Go back and take a look at what he took
        over. Yes,it was bad in Flushing in 2004
        BUT there was plenty
        of room and money
        on the team and in the budget to get well
        quickly,not to mention
        that Wright and Reyes
        were already in place.

        Like I said, I was all for Omar and
        was a fan of the hiring but after the first couple winters
        I started to lose faith in him AND am
        now at the point where I don’t trust ANYTHING he does.

        Didn’t mean to attack
        you Dirty, no disrespect meant!

        It’s just that as soon as I start convincing myself
        we’ll (The Mets) be Okay and the ship is turned away from the
        iceberg….BAM!!!…
        Another Hit!

        Oh, the pain of being
        a Met Fan!

        At least our friend Brock has The Mariners! :)

        Hey Kong, Can I jump on that ship??? :(

  18. DNDJohan aka kistics

    Just listening to Joe and Evan on WFAN. Evan said that based on some reports coming out of Puerto Rico, Delgado is not looking good at all. And many teams are shaking their heads.

    Well… What option does that leave us?

    1. tkfj

      He will still be a Met, I guarentee it.

  19. CaseStreet

    OF solution would be Ankiel and Endy on a minor league K.

    Ankiel – we know why, all positions, lefty, power, can pitch
    Endy – if and when Pagan goes down, we’ll need a OFer that can play all positions. Plus, they’d love him in Buffalo and could mentor F-Mart.

    1. trs86

      Endy is not healthy and may not be ready for opening day.

      1. CaseStreet

        minor league contract to play on the bench once Pagan gets injured.

        Might as well bring back Jeremy Reed.

        1. trs86

          Sullivan would be preferred to Endy at this point.

    2. DNDJohan aka kistics

      I thought Endy was injured and can’t play till May

    3. CaseStreet

      I guess I’m thinking long term, not Opening Day.

  20. dirtysanchez

    so…is it time to trade beltran lol

    1. Kingman 26

      To Pittsburgh for Church!

      Then Beltran can be even less surprised when the Pirates kick our butts next year!

      1. dirtysanchez

        hahahah….only the mets…

        1. fongy2

          Or maybe Bel-Tron declares
          The Pirates
          will be the team to beat!

    2. njstuckintx

      Sell Low! :)

  21. njstuckintx

    From the Bay signing until today, how did the aproval rate go. Say 75-80% down to what, 30%?

  22. CaseStreet

    Center fielders
    Alfredo Amezaga (32)
    Rick Ankiel (30)
    Rocco Baldelli (28)
    Endy Chavez (32)
    Darin Erstad (36)
    Ryan Freel (34)
    Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
    Reed Johnson (33)
    Jeremy Reed (29)

    I say we sign them all.

    Who am I kidding. F-mart will be the OD CF.

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Ol’ Dirty?

  23. dirtysanchez

    Didnt we draft beltrans cousin or nephew…bring him up lol

    1. CaseStreet

      who knows, maybe we’ll see Kirk Robert Nieuwenhuis this year

  24. GravediggerHebner

    Apparently Brad Lidge just had arthroscopic knee surgery. I can’t wait to see how the Phillies organization bungles it into a PR nightmare…

  25. fongy2

    And b/t/w, Part 4 or 5….or 6, I
    do know…. I would hope that The Wilpon’s would advise their current and future GMs, no more Scott Boras!
    No matter who his clients are!

    Is there a worse agent for the
    health and future of your team than
    this guy???

    1. CaseStreet

      Agent Orange

      1. wannybackstra

        The toxicity of Agent Orange (more accurately, its byproduct contaminant) has been greatly overstated much in the same way Boras’s harmful effects have been.

        I don’t see how Boras gets blamed for this or why the team woul want to preclude dealings with the agent who represents a high percentage of the top major leaguers.

  26. Mr North Jersey

    Minaya’s plan?

    1. Release a statement saying what Beltran had done and best case scenario when he can be expected back.
    -Done

    2. Announce a Conference Call for next day to be held by anyone other than Minaya. (because we know what happened the last time Minaya got emotional)
    -Done

    3. Call Hospital of Special Surgeries and tell them in no way does this (Beltran having surgery elsewhere) reflect how the players feel about them.

    4. Start figuring out what you will say when asked why you haven’t addressed adding depth after knowing the Mets needed depth after the disaster of the 2009 season something that David Wright just hours earlier knew when he said “I think the one thing we take away from last year is we need to be deep.”

    5. Start updating your resume

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