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Jan 20

Wednesday Mini-Opinion at Kingman’s Korner: Santos and Blanco?

According to Marty Noble at Mets.com, the team has now decided that Omir Santos will start at catcher in 2010 and be backed up by Henry Blanco.

However, our friend Michael Baron over at Metsblog cites Buster Olney, not the most credible sports reporter in America, as believing there are “signals being sent out” that the Mets are turning to Torrealba. Of course for Olney, the signals may very well have been ones only he was able to hear.

A platoon of Santos and Blanco as Thole hopefully continues his rapid development into what we hope can be a long-time answer behind the plate starting in 2011 at the latest?

Or should we turn to Torrealba?

He is an experienced MLB catcher, but is aging and would most likely want more than a one-year deal.

The Mets’ supposed serious interest in Molina (which, again, may have been grossly exaggerated by Heyman), if indeed real, might suggest that they will now go heavily after a different veteran catcher.

However, with the Sheets and Pineiro situations clearly reaching critical mass and the Mets desperate for starting pitching, the best move might be to charge hard after Sheets and Pineiro, and leave the catching in the hands of Santos and Blanco.

Santos and Blanco will hit 7th or 8th, and their offense will be sufficient there. Starting pitching is what we need, and here is a voice begging Omar to leave the aging catcher market and shift all focus and dollars into the available starting pitching market.

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117 comments

  1. trs86

    I think you do just that Kingman. There will be catching around in ST to pickup but maybe not pitching.

  2. GravediggerHebner

    I raise my glass to the idea of improving the starting pitching.

    I am completely fine with Blanco in the #2 catcher role, I think he has demonstrated he handles it well and we here have gone over Santana’s role in his acquisition and Santana’s performance with him behind the plate. I think many of us envision Blanco being “Santana’s personal catcher” of sorts.

    I do not worry about Santos’ offense, it seems in a small sample to fit in with the other catchers in the league. We know he’s not Brian McCann or Joe Mauer. He’s “on par” with average.

    The only thing I worry about is hard to know much about. I recall reading something along the lines of “the organization was not happy with how he called a game.” I don’t know if it’s true or not, I don’t know how to judge that.

    If it is true, they can probably solve it one of two ways: either bring in a cheap veteran to split time with Blanco that they think “calls a good game;” or call the effin game from the dugout. Most catchers are seen on TV turning toward the dugout quite often during the game, I understand this is to look for pitchout signals or other strategic maneuvers. How hard would it be to enact a few hand signals for “fastball, curveball, changeup?”

    1. trs86

      I am not sure it was game calling as much as it was framing. They partially blamed Santos for the high walk totals.

      You are great at research, how bad of a defensive catcher/ game caller was Coste?

      1. GravediggerHebner

        Very hard to find indisputable facts on catcher defense either way. The lesson I learned from the Schneider acquisition is don’t believe everything you read, see for yourself. But,

        I googled the phrase “Chris Coste defense” and found a philly blog “farewell Coste” entry with comments like:

        - “thank god…dude belongs in a slow pitch softball league…has a horrible swing..and cant block balls to save his life”

        which received this reply:

        - “Again, it’s not “is Coste good.” It’s “is Coste better than Bako.” I don’t claim to be a great evaluator of catching defense, but unless Coste was Mike Piazza with dysentery and Bako was Pudge Rodriguez, Age 23, I can’t see how you’d rather have Bako.”

        This interview with Coste from September is interesting:

        http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090902&content_id=6751806&c_id=hou&vkey=news_hou

        1. trs86

          Hmmm, let me post some of this:

          Both Oswalt and Moehler praised Coste for being “quiet” behind the plate, something he took as a compliment.

          “One of the most underrated things in catching is a guy having good hands,” Coste said. “It’s always been amazing to me that when they judge defensive catchers, they always talk about a guy’s arm strength, which rarely ever comes into play in the game. When you catch a ball 100 times a game, the actual catching of the ball should be the most important thing, and no one ever says that.”

          Coste credits Indians manager Eric Wedge with helping him understand how important catching the ball is. Wedge stressed that being smooth behind the plate will help the pitcher look like he’s more in control of his pitches. Wedge managed Coste with the Double-A Akron Aeros in 2003.

          “If a pitch is outside and the catcher is stabbing at the ball, it makes the pitcher look like he’s wild and the umpire is less likely to give him future pitches,” Coste said.

          And when Coste hears veterans like Oswalt and Moehler praise his ability to receive the ball, he feels gratified.

          “For my whole career, it’s for the most part gone unnoticed,” he said. “I’ve always had decent hands. The pitchers in Philly noticed, but it never got brought up to the media and the coaching staff. As many times as I’ve had pitchers talk to me about it the last 10 years, since I’ve come here it’s the first organization they’ve talked about it. Hopefully that means something.”

          1. GravediggerHebner

            Sadly it seems it did mean something: “Coste, gather your things, you’re cut!”

    2. wannybackstra

      2 thoughts, Grave. If you’re drinking in the afternoon, then I raise my glass to you and am extremely jealous.

      The second thought is of having Jerry the Gangsta or Razor the Windmill calling the game from the dugout: Ha!

  3. wannybackstra

    Fatcessa considers Molina a loss. One thing Fatcessa and Molina and Fatcessa can agree not to lose is weight.

    More importantly, he reports that Sheets will not be ready for Opening Day.

    1. trs86

      I could see him conditioning wise needing some more time as they said he tired easily. But either way I still think the Mets are scared because of last year.

    2. metsfan4decades

      Hmmm…does he have some insider info on Sheets the rest of us aren’t privy to?
      Or is he just speculating Sheets won’t be ready for Opening Day?

  4. metsfan4decades

    I’m in. Put me down for standing pat with catchers for now and getting two SPs…..

    1. Mr North Jersey

      amen

  5. trs86

    OK assuming the Mets can’t afford 2 SP (stay out of this NJ, LOL) and they can only sign either Sheets/Pineiro and then a backup guy like Smoltz. Instead of debating Sheets and Pineiro again are there other names that can slide into the Smoltz discussion?

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Assuming Smoltz as reliever such names as Benoit, Bradford, Brocail, Calero, Casilla, Dotel, Gagne, Giese, Gonzalez, Gordon, Gregg, Isringhausen, Julio, Keppel, Loux, MacDougal, McClung, Mota, Nelson, Ohka, Percival, Redding, Sanchez, Seanez, Speier, Springer, Taveras, Veras, Vizcaino, Walker, Weathers, Weaver, Wright, or if you are willing to go lefty then Bale, Beimel, Embree, Hendrickson, Mahay, Ohman, Ramirez, Rusch, Schoeneweis, Villone, Walker.

      Assuming Smoltz as starter such names as Backe, Baek, Batista, Bedard, Benson, Byrd, Cabrera, Colon, Contreras, Davis, Eaton, Estes, Fogg, Garland, Glavine, Hampton, Hendrickson (he’s versatile!), Hernandez, Hill, Hill, Jennings, Johnson, Looper, Lowry, Martinez, Milton, Moseley, Mulder, Padilla, Perez, Ponson, Prior, Ramirez, Redding (he’s versatile!), Schmidt, Tomko, Wang, Washburn, Wellemeyer, Wells.

      1. Mr North Jersey

        DAMN!!!

        1. GravediggerHebner

          Hey I thought he told you to stay out of this! :-)

          1. Mr North Jersey

            Silly me what was I thinking? :-)

      2. trs86

        OK let me back this up. LOL. The Mets are assuming him as a guy who can compete for SP and slide into the pen. Thus most of those names are off the list. Now besides just a name dump who else can we slide into the “swing man” discussion?

        1. Mr North Jersey

          Is that what the Mets said?

          1. trs86

            Yup, Omar and I get together each morning for bagels.
            Actually I gathered it from gathering what Cerrone has had to say about his gathering of information gathered.

          2. Mr North Jersey

            I like the getting bagels with Omar story better.

        2. GravediggerHebner

          Phrasing is important.

          The only names that appear on both lists are Hendrickson and Redding (hence me calling them “versatile!”).

          I tend to think that a number of the guys listed as starters could also relieve (less so vice-versa IMO) such as Byrd, Fogg, Looper, Perez, Tomko, Wellemeyer.

        3. trs86

          Out of the starters group
          Batista, Contreras, Hendrickson, Looper all stick out. Others?

          1. wannybackstra

            John Maine or Ollie Perez if you find another real starter.

            Fernando Nieve if you stay in house.

            The only other name from the group above that would fit the versatility bill is Jeff Weaver.

            By the way, Vincente Padilla might be a guy who fits the bill of taking the ball every fifth day.

          2. trs86

            Agreed. I have been mentioning him since we could have had him on the cheap.

  6. dirtysanchez

    I also agree at this point, gotta go hard for pitching. What will the lineup look like though next year?

    Reyes
    Castillo
    Wright
    Bay
    Frenchy
    Murphy
    Pagan
    Santos

    1. trs86

      Hmmm, can I play?

      So the Mets will have to have someone to bust up the 3 RH in a row. Gotta be Murphy or Pagan.

      Castillo, Pagan, Reyes, Wright, Bay, Murphy, Frenchy, Santos? (My lineup)

      1. dirtysanchez

        ha! The Reyes hitting 3rd drama revisited lol

        1. Mr North Jersey

          Reyes can hit anywhere he wants so long as he does it over a full season.

        2. trs86

          Has more “legs” now with Beltran out and Reyes recovering.

  7. trs86

    Looks like Damon will be this year’s Abreu. The guy can still hit, we don’t seem to have room for him but at 5M or less for one year coming off .282 .365 .489 .854 with 24 HR someone will get a steal.

    Again, I am not advocating him because he can’t really play CF nor can Bay or Frenchy. It’s just I am afraid allowing someone like Damon to get away on that deal might be a bad idea.

    1. trs86

      He has played some 1B since 2006 but only has 11 innings so who knows if it is even an acceptable 1B.

    2. dirtysanchez

      the only reason to pick up damon is for our new need for CF. Im sure we can all agree he is not a good CF anymore and apparently that job has already been won by pagan

      1. trs86

        Agreed but that is a lot of talent to let slide for 5 million and 1 year. I just feel like Murphy in LF over Abreu again. At least Pagan has played CF.

    3. wannybackstra

      Damon can still hit. But it might be more reasonable to expect something less than that line outside of Yankee Little League Stadium.

      His road numbers last year .284 .349 .446 are still acceptable and are more likely what you’d get from him this season, in my opinion.

      1. trs86

        So basically about an .800 OPS.

      2. fongy2

        With no power and not much of a speed threat anymore. Thanks BUT no thanks to Damon.

        1. trs86

          Can’t say that 24 HR and 63 extra base hits along with 12 steals and no caught stealing suggest that.

          If you want to argue his defense then you have a great argument.

          1. fongy2

            Take a look at how many HRs were
            Yankee stadium shorties!

          2. trs86

            7 less extra base hits on the road than at home. Still managed a .284 .349 .446 .795 line on the road. As for how many of his HR were aided by Yankee stadium I will leave that to our stat gurus.

          3. wannybackstra

            And either way, a .446 road SLG% does not seem powerless, whether he was hitting HRs or doubles.

    4. CaseStreet

      I say he signs with Boston.

      Damon-Cameron-Ellsbury

      Drew becomes your 4th OFer

      1. trs86

        Why would they move Drew to 4th OF for Damon? .279 .392 .522 .914

        1. CaseStreet

          to keep Damon away from the Yanks?

          1. trs86

            Wouldn’t they sign Damon to be the 4th OF then? Or maybe make Ellsbury the 4th OF which would make more sense.

          2. CaseStreet

            can’t argue w/ your logic

  8. CaseStreet

    yes yes

    Santos and Blanco (for days Johan pitches) – Mets

    Thole and Coste (Thole will learn all about the NL hitters from Coste)

    Also, it’s a bit crazy, but send Santos to Orioles for Chad Moeller who is Sheets’ personal catcher (Personal Catcher plus truck load of cash = #2 pitcher).

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Ah, you were the one mentioning Moeller, I couldn’t recall who it was. I was looking up Brandon Webb during our Chris Snyder conversation here earlier and noticed that Webb pitches exceptionally well to Moeller too, so I like the trade for Moeller, sign Sheets now, trade for Webb at the deadline scenario.

      1. CaseStreet

        I like the way you think.

        Not that I’d ever want a Met to get hurt, but let’s say the baseball gods repay us for 2009 and the Mets ink a healthy Sheets and sometime in July, Ollie or Maine go spend some time on the DL, then the Mets are forced to trade for Webb.

  9. Mr North Jersey

    A.P.B. on Fongy but other than his dog face all we know about him is he is or was a Dick.

    1. trs86

      LOL well that’s bound to get him back.

    2. CaseStreet

      And a Philly Fan :)

      1. fongy2

        Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!

        1. Mr North Jersey

          hehehehehhee there u r

          1. fongy2

            I’ve been very,very busy and frankly since the whole Beltran
            knee fiasco have nothing to say.
            What’s the point of killing Omar
            or Boras or Beltran or the Wilpon’s
            or our Medical staff over it?

            I hope I’m wrong BUT I thinl it’s gonna be devestating to us.
            I’ll believe it when I see Beltran
            back @100%.
            Very, very happy over the Molina non-signing and I think 2yrs for Piniero sounds about right and
            about as good as its gonna get
            for SP with us.
            Everyone knows my feelings on Sheets…So again, whats the point?

          2. Mr North Jersey

            Yeah the whole Beltran thing worries me too. All we can hope is Beltran recovers fully has a great year and forces the Mets to extend his contract.

            At which time if he does have a big year the Mets can trade him with a year left on his contract with his increased value or reward him for such a great recovery with a contract extension.

            But that is looking at it half glass full of course.

          3. fongy2

            I pretty much agree
            except, I wouldn’t
            give him an extention no matter
            what he does.

            I was still trying to understand why we
            didn’t go after
            Brett Myers when
            I heard about the Beltran situation.
            I pretty much just shook my head and
            thought…You’ve
            got to be kidding.

            Its the friggin’ 21st century and these injuries seem
            to be treated by the Mets like they were suffered a
            hundred years ago.

          4. Mr North Jersey

            I have to admit I never considered Brett Myers but at least I can say that as a fan. What is the Front Office’s excuse?

          5. GravediggerHebner

            The Mets still believe in the healing powers of leeches.

          6. fongy2

            Yeah, I wasn’t interested early BUT with whats left out there,a few days b/f he signed w/Houston, I
            kept thinking about it and figured that
            ain’t a bad gamble at all
            for a yr or two.

          7. fongy2

            I wouldn’t doubt it Heb!

            Well, I figure at least it will further
            the chance Omar gets fired sometime during the season…..
            So, there is a bright side to it.

          8. trs86

            I wanted Omar gone during the off-season but I want him here the entire year now. If he is fired that means we are doing poorly…

          9. Mr North Jersey

            shhhh TRS might hear you.

            (just kiddin trs)

          10. Mr North Jersey

            I see i was too late ;-)

          11. wannybackstra

            It may be that after Ambiorix Burgos they don’t feel like having another wife beater on the payroll.

            I’m surprised that Fongy, considering his views on Ben Sheets’s character, would promote the idea of bringing in Myers.

          12. fongy2

            Its funny b/c THATs WHAT MY WIFE
            SAID! :)

            What the heck,his wifeforgives
            him AND who
            knows???
            Maybe she needed a crack upside the head?

            I keed,I keed!

          13. wannybackstra

            Well, apparently the community of baseball owners and decision makers is willing to forgive Sheets for his heinous act.

          14. fongy2

            My bigger problem with him is that
            he hasn’t thrown a pitch in anger in a yr and a half
            and prior to this latest,most serious injury had been on the DL 7or8 times
            prior for various aches and pains.
            On a Freddy Garcia contract,Okay
            BUT this guy
            is still making demands like
            he is coming off a big year,uninjured.
            Who knows what we’d get out of him and when?

            Do we really need more of that?
            And does Omar?

      2. Mr North Jersey

        Ahh thx for adding that piece to the puzzle so we a have a

        A current or former dick that is a Phillie fan and has a Dog face.

        I think we need more intel. LoL

        1. fongy2

          AND not a former Dick…Still a P.I. here
          in south central PA, although not much
          work laely. AND..Part 2, Thanks not MY face
          BUT that of my favorite Dog-Otto a.k.a
          The Wonderdog a.k.a. Underdog a.k.a
          B.A. the Brown Dog.
          AND….for the eighty fifth time….
          I’m NOT A Phillie Fan!!!…….
          Just a Phillie respector.

          1. Mr North Jersey

            lol Case loves to rib you with the Phillie fan thing.

            How is Otto?

          2. fongy2

            Everyone is good!

            He actually just got a new Mets collar from MLB.com
            and seems very happy with
            it. Although my wife,the
            Phillie fan,wanted to know
            why I didn’t order a Phillies one.
            My simple response was
            “you’re kidding…Right?”

          3. Mr North Jersey

            lol, way to put your foot down ;-)

            So I guess we can expect that
            Phillie collar any day now?

          4. fongy2

            No that ain’t gonna
            happen although
            she wants
            a Doc Halladay jersey for
            her birthday which is coming up.

            I want her to be happy
            BUT, C’mon!
            THANKS asking ALOT!

          5. fongy2

            should have read “that’s asking ALOT”

          6. Mr North Jersey

            Hehehehehe, Yeah I can see how that might be a problem.

            Maybe you can meet in the middle and get her a Doc Halladay Blue Jay jersey. I’m sure there is a lot on sale. ;-)

          7. fongy2

            True man!
            Bargain bin in Modell’s
            of Ontario!

          8. GravediggerHebner

            Just compromise and rent “Doc Hollywood” for your next movie night. Nice light romantic comedy. Everybody wins!

          9. Mr North Jersey

            I think we are on to something.

            Get her anything and everything that sounds like The Phillie Roy Halladay and then spring on her at the end a FATHEAD of Halladay.

          10. GravediggerHebner

            On ebay right now they have a white game-worn Halladay Toronto jersey for $750.

          11. fongy2

            No Phillies junk in my man-cave! :)

            And after sitting through
            “Mamma Mia”,
            No more chick-flicks!

            I’m gonna be 45, I’m making my stand!

          12. GravediggerHebner

            It’s not exactly a chick flick and it’s definitely not a musical, I promise you. Michael J. Fox is a big city plastic surgeon who gets waylaid in a small town and finds out what love and happiness mean to him. David Ogden Stiers, Bridget Fonda and Woody Harrelson are good in small roles. A few months ago I was bored and it was on TV and I made it through without vomiting or thinking of suicide. It was mildly funny. Better than Howard The Duck.

          13. fongy2

            I know the movie Heb, saw it when it came out on video…
            maybe close to 20yrs
            ago.
            Back in the day when you’d rent from your local video
            store and had to specify….
            VHS or Beta!

            I don’t remember it
            much though,
            which in my book means
            “bomb”…..
            OR a waste of two hrs of my life I’ll never get back!

          14. GravediggerHebner

            Agreed Fongy, it’s not exactly Oscar material and is not filled with fun repeatable quotes.

            I do remember one dialogue exchange from it that I thought was hilarious. Bridget Fonda and Woody Harrelson go from the small town to Hollywood and they’re walking or driving around, I forget, and Bridget sees a guy and says to Woody “is that a star?”

            He replies “No, that’s Ted Danson.”

          15. metsfan4decades

            LOL – Hey, my pooch is sporting that same Mets collar and has her very own Mets water bowl.

          16. Mr North Jersey

            What a good day for commenting all we need now is Rutgers and stuckintx

          17. fongy2

            That’s funny!

            Black,with
            the blue and orange trim?

            Looks great!

            No Mets bowl though!

            He does have two Black and Gold Steeler one’s
            however!

          18. metsfan4decades

            Actually, the one we have is Met blue, with the stadium skyline in black and the Mets logo and ‘NEW YORK” in blue and orange spaced out around the collar.

            My hubby brought it home one day from the local dog shop we buy homemade doggie biscuits from. Not sure if it’s MLB merchandise or not.

          19. fongy2

            Your dog sounds as
            spoiled as
            ours!
            Three dog beds in this house,including an LL Bean
            suede with sheepsskin
            lining and he sleeps in our bed!
            What the Hay!
            How’d THAT
            happen.

            Same thing with us though, we go to the farmer’s
            market about 10miles away
            every other week for various home made goodies….
            For the dog!

            AND, I kid you NOT, I ordered him the Pet package from
            Omaha Steaks for Christmas.

          20. metsfan4decades

            Hey Fongy – we ordered that same pet package from Omaha Steaks for our pooch. There’s more of us dog lovers out there than you think.

            My dog lives better than either my hubby or I do!

  10. wannybackstra

    Is anyone listening to Fatcessa? Has he said anything further about Snyder, i.e. what has prompted him to enter the “scoops” business, which he has always said was not his interest?

    1. GravediggerHebner

      I was until about 5 minutes ago, I couldn’t take it anymore when he did a whole segment on Regis Philbin setting up the germophobic sports update guy on a date.

      1. wannybackstra

        As Bull Shannon used to say, “ohh-kay.”

      2. Mr North Jersey

        Is that the Regis he was talkin about?

        Wow slow day in NY I guess. I mean the Mets losing Molina or the Jets AFC Championship game just is not enough to get you through a week.

        1. GravediggerHebner

          Yup. There was a Met-related tidbit even in that ridiculous moment, when Mike mentioned how Regis is a friend of the show but that Kelly Ripa doesn’t like him because she was neighbors with Willie Randolph and thinks Mike and Mad Dog were not kind to Willie.

          1. Mr North Jersey

            Kelly Ripa, Now there is a woman that looks better with her clothes on.

            Apologies to her husband Mark but it’s the truth.

          2. GravediggerHebner

            I’m going to ignore my instinct to not touch this at all and ask: how do you know this?

          3. Mr North Jersey

            I’ve seen pictures of her in a bathing suit and let me just say there is a lot of skin on dem bones.

          4. GravediggerHebner

            I don’t know if I’d use the phrase “a lot of skin” I might say instead that there is “nothing but skin” on them bones.

            http://www.gceleb.com/kelly-ripa-bikini-photos-round-2

            When you said “a lot” I imagined big bags of it drooping off.

          5. Mr North Jersey

            Your right nothing but skin was more accurate.

            Now that I have said that I don’t know if I can forgive you for linking those Kelly pics here. I mean sure I didn’t have to click on it but dude it’s like telling people to not slow down when passing a traffic accident you just can’t resist.

          6. GravediggerHebner

            Well NJ look at it this way: if you start looking around that gceleb website you’ll find much better things to look at. It’s a fave site of mine, many wallpaper pics on my computer originated there. More Keeley Hazell pics than you can shake a stick at.

          7. Mr North Jersey

            Did you say Hazell?

            Your forgiven, your forgiven!

          8. fongy2

            Agreed!
            And Kelly…for God’s sake
            mix in a some pasta and
            bread!…And a nice bowl
            of Ice Cream.
            I mean, C’mon….
            You ain’t 20 sweetheart, that whole Hollywood-
            stick figure thing ain’t
            workin’ Babe!

          9. metsfan4decades

            Laughing right out loud at this….

            Glad to see you mature gentleman are realistic about us mature ladies….

          10. fongy2

            Absolutely!

            Marilyn Monroe is an
            American icon
            for a reason!

            AND…Food
            is good!!!

          11. mrose

            i agree completely.

  11. Mr North Jersey

    Saw this over on MC’s blog
    http://caughtlookinstrike3.blogspot.com/2010/01/missing-out-on-molina-whats-next.html

    There is a line where it says “If I’m Omar, I’m looking to add Sheets and Smoltz on short term deals over Piniero for a longer term deal.”

    I think TRS is moonlighting.

    1. trs86

      I think he has me IP blocked NJ I have already tried to infiltrate.

  12. Mr North Jersey

    Just was over at the ‘Ropolitans http://theropolitans.com/2010/01/mets-building-actual-mash-facility-at.html

    $100 BUCKS something close to this was once considered by the Mets org.

    1. metsfan4decades

      OMG – that is hillarious!

      But hey, at least we don’t have our own jail at the stadium…..

  13. mrose

    when does the season get started? Lets go to battle with the C’s we have and then get a couple SP’s

    1. rustyjr

      agreed – but i think if pinero and sheets are too expensive expect to see nieve & neise in the line up – btw mack from macks mets says the mets are about 30 mill under where they were last year payroll wise

      1. mrose

        I think they certainly have the money to spend, i’m not someone believing the Madoff hype.. but they should be wise with the money. Saving a few $$ on getting Sheets or Piniero this year will help in the future, so i’m glad were not writing blank checks

        1. rustyjr

          i agree to an extent i just remember what jeff said this off season that drastic changes would be made – other than bay i wouldnt call this offseason a purging of inferior talent

          1. mrose

            the funny thing is just by (hopefully) having Beltran, Reyes and Johan for a full year, any other team would consider that a major change, lol

          2. rustyjr

            yeah i know lol but after seing ramon martinez angel berroa reed sullivan andy green etc etc etc u kinda want to see more heads roll lol

  14. Mr North Jersey

    Sounds like Alphabet soup




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