According to the New York Post, free agent catcher Yorvit Torrealba has an offer from the Padres but is waiting to sign it to see if the Mets want to counter.Â
The report goes on to quote Buster Onley of ESPN as saying , “the Mets have indicated they don’t have any money available to make something happen.”
So let me get this straight , they still had about 6 million to offer Bengie Molina last week but that money has since vanished? Where is Bernie Madoff !?!?
Only also tweeted that , “The expectations within the Mets’ [front office] is that the team is finished spending money for now. These are your pre-camp ’10 Mets.”
Look I am not and never have been a proponent of Yorvit Torreabla, hell I would rather sign Barajas, But I fint this report – if true , extremely disturbing
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                                                                                  ” This is disturbing me !”
161 comments
CaseStreet
2/1/2010-7:10pm at 7:10 pm (UTC -4)
I guess Santos is the same as Torrealba, except that Santos is a career minor leaguer.
Whatever, Johan has his personal catcher.
rustyjr
2/1/2010-7:13pm at 7:13 pm (UTC -4)
i like santos – just dntthink he is a starter – and i still think thole needs one more season in AAA
CaseStreet
2/1/2010-7:29pm at 7:29 pm (UTC -4)
yeah, I was actually looking forward to Molina for a year to handle M.O.P. with Blanco catching for Santana, and Thole learning from Coste in AAA. I just hope they don’t screw around w/ Thole by letting him make the team early on and then sending him down when he struggles.
Hazmet
2/1/2010-7:30pm at 7:30 pm (UTC -4)
So if I listen to the media, nobody wants to sign with the Mets because of their medical staff yet there all waiting to see if the Mets will sign them because they prefer to be with the Mets. Love it.
CaseStreet
2/1/2010-7:42pm at 7:42 pm (UTC -4)
seems like a ploy to get more money out of the Pads
Hazmet
2/1/2010-7:48pm at 7:48 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe, maybe not. More likely so in this case given the hard feelings between these 2 players. But I believe Molina & Pineiro expressed their preference for the Mets even after signing. I’m just lumping them all together for effect since their words are just words so I might as well accept them at face value and use them to the Mets benefit.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-8:02pm at 8:02 pm (UTC -4)
+1
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-7:41pm at 7:41 pm (UTC -4)
Sounds like the Post is baiting Minaya into signing Torrealba by suggesting if the Mets don’t sign him they will say you see the Mets have no money and if they do sign him they will rip them as a desperate attempt at signing a free agent.
stickguy
2/1/2010-7:50pm at 7:50 pm (UTC -4)
we have a winner. Give the man a cigar.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-7:51pm at 7:51 pm (UTC -4)
Macanudo please….
trs86
2/1/2010-7:50pm at 7:50 pm (UTC -4)
Those 2 tweets are completely different things. I think Olney is making an inference based on the first tweet. The first one just says they don’t plan on spending any money right now. That’s a lot different from being broke.
Hazmet
2/1/2010-7:53pm at 7:53 pm (UTC -4)
Olneys next post?
The Mets hired Rip Torn to knock over that bank in Connecticut for some spare cash.
trs86
2/1/2010-7:52pm at 7:52 pm (UTC -4)
History lesson: The media in NY as been bad for 150+ years.
Horace Greeley of the New York Tribune wrote:
Already, so it was said, we were burdened with territory we had no population to fill. The Indians within the present boundaries of the republic strained our power to govern aboriginal peoples. Could it be that we would now, with open eyes, seek to add to our difficulties by increasing the number of such peoples under our national care? The purchase price was small; the annual charges for administration, civil and military, would be yet greater, and continuing. The territory included in the proposed cession was not contiguous to the national domain. It lay away at an inconvenient and a dangerous distance. The treaty had been secretly prepared, and signed and foisted upon the country at one o’clock in the morning. It was a dark deed done in the night…. The New York World said that it was a “sucked orange.” It contained nothing of value but furbearing animals, and these had been hunted until they were nearly extinct. Except for the Aleutian Islands and a narrow strip of land extending along the southern coast the country would be not worth taking as a gift…. Unless gold were found in the country much time would elapse before it would be blessed with Hoe printing presses, Methodist chapels and a metropolitan police. It was “a frozen wilderness.
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:26pm at 8:26 pm (UTC -4)
as a former journalism student that is a correct assesment. Horace Greeley was a visionary – too bad ruper murdoch and mort zuckerman have lost sight of what true journalism is
trs86
2/1/2010-7:57pm at 7:57 pm (UTC -4)
I still can’t get over this:
“The details, in some cases, are irrelevant, since, most likely, the average fan is going to react a certain way, and think certain things, regardless of whether a potential acquisition is made or not.”
Hazmet
2/1/2010-8:00pm at 8:00 pm (UTC -4)
WTF?????? Astounding!
trs86
2/1/2010-8:05pm at 8:05 pm (UTC -4)
So basically I am reading someone who is not concerned with the details?
So maybe we should switch TRDM motto from “by the fans for the fans” to “We give a sh&t about details”
That could help us.
Hazmet
2/1/2010-8:07pm at 8:07 pm (UTC -4)
I like it.
I check over at that other site and sometimes it’s like slowing down while passing a car accident. Oh, excuse me, a car accident sponsered by Verizon.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:13pm at 8:13 pm (UTC -4)
Thing is I like MC but for some reason I feel that he is just pandering with his recent comments.
This from the comment section on the post:
“I think twitter has really affected this off-season, rumors fly left and right over the twitter circuit sometimes with no merit to them at all. I don’t know what the mets are doing except it seems they are letting the core of the team play it out”
But more to this point, earlier today a poster brought up exactly what I have been saying.
The Mets have indeed told the fans exactly why they got the players they did and have even went above and beyond explaining why they did not get others. It’s just no one wants to listen.
Hazmet
2/1/2010-8:26pm at 8:26 pm (UTC -4)
I actually had to log back on just to get this thought out of my head before it exploded in astonishment.
He actually wrote a sentence with 7 comma’s. How the hell do you even do that?
I know I suck at writing on these things as typo’s abound but I don’t do this as a gig.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:28pm at 8:28 pm (UTC -4)
LOL.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:29pm at 8:29 pm (UTC -4)
Had some five ones too.
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:31pm at 8:31 pm (UTC -4)
come on matt never had stupid things such as facts or grammar stand in the way of a non story
Hazmet
2/1/2010-8:34pm at 8:34 pm (UTC -4)
I’m thinking, he writes, as, William Shatner, in, Captain Kirk, voice.
Dammit Jim, that’s only 6 comma’s.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:38pm at 8:38 pm (UTC -4)
Now that’s funny.
Dammit Jim I am a blogger not a miracle worker.
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
totally illogical trs
trs86
2/1/2010-8:03pm at 8:03 pm (UTC -4)
Mets fans are already in near-revolt mode, so the tweet from Jon Morosi that the Mets likely don’t “have a real shot” at Jarrod Washburn will only stoke the fires further.
It isn’t necessarily clear that the Mets should want Washburn, of course. He was a disaster in Detroit, posting a 7.33 ERA in 43 innings with unimpressive peripheral stats (16 walks, 21 strikeouts). Now 35, he’s projected by ZIPS for a 4.59 ERA in 2010, though if his stint with the Tigers meant his production has fallen off a cliff, he won’t approach that.
For comparison, ZIPS has Jon Niese projected with a 4.57 ERA, with Nelson Figueroa checking in at 5.06. While the Mets could have used some additional pitching, it isn’t clear that Washburn is enough of an upgrade to justify a contract.
Really, and why are “Mets fans nearly in a revolt?” Because we are emotional and have went through more than any fanbase. Then with the team having a decent off-season every media report tells us otherwise.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-8:15pm at 8:15 pm (UTC -4)
Nope. I don’t believe the Mets are out of money. I’ll believe though they’re not spending it just b/c they’ve got it. Right or wrong, they’re not spending it unless they can get who they want on the deal they want him with.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:24pm at 8:24 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, we can like it or not but it’s for sure a different approach and most likely a more responsible one.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-8:25pm at 8:25 pm (UTC -4)
4d I agree they have the money in my opinion. There was a brief time based on the Bay signing that I wondered if they had the money because Bay was only due to make $6.5M in 2010 but after I saw in Cot’s contracts that he also got a $8.5M signing bonus bringing his total for 2010 to $15.0M. I dismissed the notion of them possibly just not having money even though them not having money would explain a lot.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:27pm at 8:27 pm (UTC -4)
Someone seriously get this kid over here and sign him up.
kjclinks February 1, 2010 at 8:15 pm
I am very much in the minority, because I always defend the Front Office (well I always defend Omar).
I just cant get over this feeling among Met fans that we do not get players.
We add Santana in ‘08, KRod in ‘09, and Bay in ‘10; all Type A players.
How many teams in baseball can make the same claim?
I know there are several that can, But how many?
My point being that we DO have an aggresive FO. But a FO that does not want to be the Yankees and overpay for every C level FA just to make a move!.
We had an emerging team in ‘05 and a competitive team in ‘06 thru ‘08,
and we had ridiculous injuries in ‘09. thats it, thats the story.
No team in baseball would have competed with the same amount of injuries that we had. The argument, of “yeah, but we did not have capable backups†is a FALSE arguement and I can prove that by asking this one question:
Who are the backups for Howard, Utley and Rollins? Please name them.
The negativity and hysteria on this Blog is beyond comprehension.
Over-Reacting to every minor move, screaming for people to get fired, calling a self-made GM who worked his way up thru the ranks as a scout, a loser; Really?
Bottom Line: The team has talent, If we are healthy, we will compete for the playoffs.
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
in the forrest of irrationality comes the man with eyes wide open
Hazmet
2/1/2010-8:38pm at 8:38 pm (UTC -4)
Oh this poor fool speaking truths. Moderation awaits, awaits, awaits…….
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
matts moderation = dante’s inferno’s seventh circle of hell
trs86
2/1/2010-8:40pm at 8:40 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:42pm at 8:42 pm (UTC -4)
see we agree on somethings trs lol but you are too positive for your own good lol – remember me myself and irene – you will crack and have women use sexual instruments on you lol – j/k
trs86
2/1/2010-8:52pm at 8:52 pm (UTC -4)
Uh so I knew I was doing this for a reason.
Actually you know it’s funny. I think I have a tendency just to buck the trend more than I am too positive. In other words I am just an argumentative asshole.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-10:00pm at 10:00 pm (UTC -4)
HAHA!!
NOW I know why we have gotten along so well for so long!!
trs86
2/1/2010-10:11pm at 10:11 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, how long does it seem like it’s been since I recruited you to write on here? 3-4 years? Been a long 8 months.
stickguy
2/1/2010-9:10pm at 9:10 pm (UTC -4)
cool. Kong bailed on me, so I need a new co-host on the “cavalcade of positiviality hour” Coming soon on espn 8, the ocho.
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:30pm at 8:30 pm (UTC -4)
i hope i havent mistated my position here – i found onleys tweets to be amusing for the most part – but if it is true , it would make you wonder if the wilpons are pretending that all is well while citi burns, like i stated i did not wish to have either bengie nor yorvit, but i cant fathom us going into battle with santos as our number 1 – especially since jerry and warthern are leery of the way he allegedly handled the pitching staff. – oh btw cross mauer off the list – looks like the twins locked him up for 10 years
steveo
2/1/2010-8:31pm at 8:31 pm (UTC -4)
Buster onley needs to shut up he makes these things up like they have no money, as if he called omar and omar told him buster we are done we are broke. These guys speculate this stuff everday and most of the time they are wrong, read torialba is no better than santos so why sign him. Instead onley to get some buzz going writes more crap that you have to pay to read with his take on things “newsflash” buster go root for your friggin team whoever that is and shut the f up about ours.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:34pm at 8:34 pm (UTC -4)
Well it’s his job report but I also expect him to work on the “details”.
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:40pm at 8:40 pm (UTC -4)
you expect to much in this world of tweettastic salicous news my friend
steveo
2/1/2010-8:48pm at 8:48 pm (UTC -4)
TRS what team comes out and says they are out of money nI know there is a lot of reports of teams being done but they never come from the team its always from some insider reporter these guys make up stuff for people to read very little facts mostly on tips team finances are always a tight lipped thing for the sole purpose of making another team speculate.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:53pm at 8:53 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed Steveo. The fact that he reports it like someone in the Mets FO actually told him should be held accountable.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:39pm at 9:39 pm (UTC -4)
” these guys make up stuff for people to read”
THANK YOU Steveo….I try to say this every day, and this is my very favorite sentence on here today!
You BET they make stuff up, and Olney might be the very biggest stuff-maker-upper of them all.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:43pm at 9:43 pm (UTC -4)
But with every year or in this case every minute more and more people reading twitter, MB, and even us, when is someone going to step in and hold these guys accountable?
prismo
2/1/2010-9:44pm at 9:44 pm (UTC -4)
The Mets can make it all go away just by winning.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:46pm at 9:46 pm (UTC -4)
Can they? They can make the negative lessen but even then what keeps these guys from blatantly making stuff up?
prismo
2/1/2010-9:48pm at 9:48 pm (UTC -4)
Nothing will stop them. But they’ll say less of it if the Mets start winning. Look how positive the media suddenly turned once the Jets starting winning in the playoffs.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
TRS what do you want? Accountability? You will never get that all you can do is point out the inaccuracies.
The media has been doing this since way before you walked the earth and will continue to do long after we are gone.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:56pm at 9:56 pm (UTC -4)
NJ you can’t say that now with Twitter and news-reporters acting as bloggers it’s not worse.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:57pm at 9:57 pm (UTC -4)
Mr North, you are really kicking unmoderated ass with both feet tonight my friend.
You have the targets in sight and are hitting the center every time….
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:03pm at 10:03 pm (UTC -4)
Kingman now your just making me blush lol
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
if anything – i know i have been very negative – and i feel that my feelings are with merit. that being said i do understand omar is in a damned if you do damned if you dont situation – that is due in a large part of a dysfunctional system that he has went along with ownership with.
prismo
2/1/2010-8:40pm at 8:40 pm (UTC -4)
TRS, don’t you think you’re dialing up the MC hate a bit much today? I know you don’t hate him, and are just criticizing his writing style, etc…but it’s still a little over the top in my opinion.
rustyjr
2/1/2010-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
prismo – picking on matt is kinda like dave kingman being able to hit a homerun on a fastball that is straight – way too easy
Hazmet
2/1/2010-8:46pm at 8:46 pm (UTC -4)
My bad, I made a statement I wouldn’t indulge my evil twin on this subject at the beginning of January. I lasted 1 month. Point well taken, I’ll send him on vacation again. Thank you for pulling me back from the brink.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:48pm at 8:48 pm (UTC -4)
Actually I have been today, you are right. Perhaps if I could comment over there I would tell him.
I think MC has a responsibility because he is viewed as a voice for the fans and lately he has pandered and pandered while saying things like “details are not important” and the Mets fans are ready to revolt. Really?
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-8:49pm at 8:49 pm (UTC -4)
Since you can’t post you could always just email him or even better tweet him.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-8:52pm at 8:52 pm (UTC -4)
I got it! How about writing a post titled “A Challenge For Matt Cerrone” and point out what you don’t agree with and how he has a bigger responsibility because he is a voice for the fans. Thenchallenge him to a debate on cover it live.
Sounds like a plan right?
trs86
2/1/2010-8:56pm at 8:56 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, that would be quite interesting. Right now I would get my butt kicked because his 100,000,000×10 readers have already been convinced the Mets suck.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-9:00pm at 9:00 pm (UTC -4)
Wow you really give Mets fans that read his blog little credit. Just remember most of us came from his blog. Matt may control who posts but he doesn’t control fans thinking.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:03pm at 9:03 pm (UTC -4)
Take a peak at the comment section and the poll results now and then. 10% confidence rating baby.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-9:07pm at 9:07 pm (UTC -4)
your kidding right the comments section? that place is a joke where you are always one step from moderation.
I mean you keep saying if I could only comment there well you can’t so if you have a lot to say then call him out on a public stage and see if he takes the bait.
your not going to change everyone’s opinion but then again you can’t even do that in your own blog so who cares.
Call him out the way Ted Berg called out Klapish and let the chips fall where they may.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:09pm at 9:09 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe you are right. Perhaps the better result would be to put up one of those stupid poles on here first and see if there is a big difference. I am going to guess yes.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:23pm at 9:23 pm (UTC -4)
“Poles?”"
TRS, you CLEARLY are spending too much time over there…or is Mike Nichols doing spell-check for you?
prismo
2/1/2010-9:26pm at 9:26 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t have any experience dancing on a pole, but I’m willing to try anything to drive up viewership!
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
Oy!
Can you pole dance and give the 10-day forecast at the same time??
trs86
2/1/2010-9:35pm at 9:35 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, whoops.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:55pm at 8:55 pm (UTC -4)
Tweeting him would be hilarious.
prismo
2/1/2010-8:52pm at 8:52 pm (UTC -4)
Oh I completely agree. And I almost always agree with your criticisms in specific. Just gives me an uneasy feeling at a certain point – I can’t explain it.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:54pm at 8:54 pm (UTC -4)
Oh eventually it could come back to haunt me. I really need to just stop reading it. He might be doing a lot of things I disagree with but he also has a lot of power.
trs86
2/1/2010-8:59pm at 8:59 pm (UTC -4)
That being said, MC knows I appreciate everything he has done for the Mets blogging industry and I know he has worked very hard to get where he is. I still say however, that this is a different MC than the one we read 3 years ago. Time I guess has changed us all.
I hope that one day MC will unblock all of us and we can post with each other in harmony.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:12pm at 9:12 pm (UTC -4)
MC will never unblock you and me, and he is a joke being where he is.
Grave or Case could write a post in their sleep after a night of heavy drinking, and it would be more knowledgeable, better written, more insightful, and wiser than anything that appears there, and it wouldn’t appear to have been written by a high school senior who gets a C- in English and thinks MLB was invented in 1999.
Matt Cerrone has two incredible points working for him: Timing and persistence.
And nothing else.
If this site started at the same time as his, whose would have more visibility and leadership?
trs86
2/1/2010-9:16pm at 9:16 pm (UTC -4)
I think you may be right. I will give him credit for working hard and knowing how to grow a business.
I spoke with him a few times on email and he stated he did not understand the desire for comments. I told him it was very much a part of our daily lives and many others. I requested that all of us be allowed to comment as part of professional courtesy and his response was that we along with 1,000′s of others were waiting and he did not have the time to get us approved. I guess I am full of myself but I don’t look at the authors on here as just anyone else.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:19pm at 9:19 pm (UTC -4)
I feel the same way, and if Matt wanted independent opinions from folks with some base of baseball knowledge on his site, would he allow Alex in and ban me and you??
Sure, Matt registered the Metsblog name first…..and he…..well, he….he registered the name first.
No offense to Dirty, but this place should be, for many reasons, called The REAL Mets Blog.
Now THAT would get some attention!
trs86
2/1/2010-9:26pm at 9:26 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, Dirty’s already feeling down enough.
But I think the changes we have in store for here will make us a force to be reckoned with but never MB.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:14pm at 10:14 pm (UTC -4)
You have got to be kidding me…..He doesn’t understand the desire for comments?
You know why that is? Because on his blog, he’s on the other side of the coin; the head honcho, if you will. And with so little free time, I’ll bet he doesn’t frequent non baseball type blogs where he’s nobody and has never felt the desire to jump in on a debate as a ‘nobody’. If he did, he would quickly understand the ‘reason for comment’. Lots and lots of people actually like to debate, hence the reason for comments.
To me, this just shows you how out of touch he is with his roots. I think you hit the nail on the head Real, when you said he’s different than he was even 3 years ago.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:22pm at 10:22 pm (UTC -4)
Thing is I still don’t believe him as today his reasoning behind “details being irrelevant” was because fans like to debate. LOL.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:34pm at 10:34 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, absolutely agree.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:24pm at 9:24 pm (UTC -4)
Thing is the comments above have nothing to do with any personal vendetta. I would do the same thing to Rubin, Sherman, Olney, JoeD, or any other Mets outlet including this one if I felt they were doing something I believed to be illogical.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
dude not for nothing because I know we agree on very little but I know you can do one thing and that is debate.
Forget personal it is clear Matt is in your thoughts lately so write down where you don’t agree and email twitter post whatever you wish and get it off your chest.
For me it’s personal so I would just sooner drop him where he stood then engage him but you clearly don’t feel that way so do yourself a favor and think about it.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:34pm at 9:34 pm (UTC -4)
Hmmm, maybe you are right. Perhaps I think the season just needs to hurry up and start.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-9:19pm at 9:19 pm (UTC -4)
Matt is a di*k that $hitted on the people that helped him get where he is by barring them from openly challenging his views and then was not man enough to say that is what he did but rather blame some technical issue or simple mistake.
I give him props at his success what I detest is the means he used to get there.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:22pm at 9:22 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!
Now THAT’S what I’m talkin about!!
Go get em tiger, I am right behind you!!
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-9:24pm at 9:24 pm (UTC -4)
LoL make sure Baron doesnt sneak up on me.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:26pm at 9:26 pm (UTC -4)
Dude, it’s Kingman….I got your back.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
hehehehehhe
trs86
2/1/2010-9:27pm at 9:27 pm (UTC -4)
Wow maybe you should challenge MC. You put it so much more eloquently.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
“My point being that we DO have an aggresive FO. But a FO that does not want to be the Yankees and overpay for every C level FA just to make a move!.”
I guess Ollie and Castillo are A level free agents.
clinks should do PR for the Mets he does a better job than Minaya did on Hot Stove last week.
Personally I will say that Minaya has done many great moves one of my favorites was getting Xavier Nady. It is the lack of moves coming off a horrendous season when they came out a day after the season proclaiming they would do whatever it was necessary to fill the holes on the team with money not being a reason why they would not act. That among other things.
I will agree we have talent and if healthy they have a chance at competing but they will only go as far as Pelfrey Maine and Ollie will take them since it seems we have nothing else on the horizon. Can Pelfrey elevate his game? I hope so. Can Ollie show control and be consistent? I hope so. Can Maine pitch like he did in 2007? I hope so.
A lot of hoping there.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
Now Joel Sherman is reporting the tweet from Buster as truth. “Report: Torrealba wants to talk to Mets, but they have no money”
That’s not even logical. So the team that offered contracts to Pineiro and Molina suddenly does not have the 1M to sign Torrealba?
Perhaps it’s “Torrealba, we just don’t have the money…. for you”
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:16pm at 9:16 pm (UTC -4)
LOL! Of course it is! The Mets did not sign Torrealba in the past, why would they now?
And would this mean payroll is dropping by like $20 million?
Guys, the media are sharks and the Mets are BLOOD IN THE WATER right now! ANYTHING is going to be given credence at this moment, no matter how ridiculous…does it even make sense that Torrealba would WANT to be a Met after that past?
This stuff is becoming insane!
Yeah, the JJ news has taken a few marchers down from the parade of Partial Positiviality and som wind from my sails for sure, but I still say they are saving their money in case the Pelf/Ollie/Maine plan backfires badly, so they can then afford someone really pricey in season.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:32pm at 9:32 pm (UTC -4)
Yup. What is left to spend MONEY on? The Mets don’t consider 1-2M money anyway.
stickguy
2/1/2010-9:22pm at 9:22 pm (UTC -4)
my god, you people were busy here this afternoon. And without me. I miss all the fun…
so, time for some random thoughts.
1) this off season just gets to be more and more fun. I think we passed from rationality, to irrationality, to kafkaesqu inthe last couple of months. But, good sport. what the heck do fans of teams like KC do for entertainment?
2) If the Mets really had no money, they sure wouldn’t tell Olney. But, they also wouldn’t ahve offered Molina 6mill (but that is one of those pesky details we aren’t supposed to concern ourselves with now, right?)
UNLESS
3) what if there is a mole in the FO leaking stuff like this to fan the fires. Why? Well, the obvious, and classic reason, is someone wants Omar out of the way so they could take over.
is it really that impossible to believe that one of the assistants (krevisky(sp?), Ricco, etc.) knows that Omar is on the banana peel, and if they can push him, they get the job?
Of course I have nothing to base this on, just looking for straws to grasp!
4) Regardless of #3, the positive spin on all this drama? For the people that want omar gone and the FO cleaned up, it makes it one step closer to happening with every debacle.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:25pm at 9:25 pm (UTC -4)
Ah, 3 is very interesting!
Adam Rubin takes the “news” secretly from Krivsky and passes it to Olney, who is on the grassy knoll with his Twitter account and multiple CIA agents….
trs86
2/1/2010-9:29pm at 9:29 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, what I have found very interesting is when was the last negative article from Rubin. Perhaps we really need Omar to call out the real media dogs?
stickguy
2/1/2010-9:28pm at 9:28 pm (UTC -4)
5) The Putz thing IMO has been way overblown. The mets had test results and med reports, knew he was damaged, but they took the risk, and did what they could to get some use out of their 8mill or whatever they paid him. And their response was perfectly reasonable, and basically said that.
Also, how many of the people screaming about taking a risk on Putz also wanted them to sign sheets, or throw money at Wang or bedard?
6) finally, bottom line, this team added a bunch of talent with the “calvary” coming back and adding Bay, and they still had some pretty good talent without them. So with reasonable health, they have a very good chance of making a run to the playoffs.
guaranteed? No. Some question marks? of course. But is it reasonable? I think so.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:31pm at 9:31 pm (UTC -4)
I brought that up with the Putz issue. It was a calculated risk.
I think they eventually will need to add another pitcher but I don’t think starting the season with this group will damn them.
stickguy
2/1/2010-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
please, can the season start already? even ST will be a blessing. We really, really need some baseball.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:32pm at 9:32 pm (UTC -4)
At this point, I will settle for Ollie throwing 3 consecutive strikes in a damn bullpen session with a coach catching!!
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:54pm at 9:54 pm (UTC -4)
Regarding up above, I have NOT bailed on you!!
Just temporary insanity!
I have been with this damn team since the summer of 1973 and I am not giving up on the likes of Ollie, Slappy, GMJ, and our cavalcade of stars just yet!
Pour me another pint of Boodles and let the parade begin!
Haha on the Ocho–from Dodgeball, right?
stickguy
2/1/2010-10:02pm at 10:02 pm (UTC -4)
gin by the pint? I either will need a new co-host soon, or a much bigger budget for alcohol.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:03pm at 10:03 pm (UTC -4)
I got you covered baby. We are raking in 10 of dollars a year.
ceetar
2/1/2010-10:04pm at 10:04 pm (UTC -4)
16 days or so… although It’ll be pretty boring for a week or two, mostly just “said pitcher long tossed today. Didn’t keel over”.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:06pm at 10:06 pm (UTC -4)
“pitcher did not keel over today, Mets have no money for replacement.”
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:12pm at 10:12 pm (UTC -4)
LoL, can we put Ceet’s in moderation for saying keel?
trs86
2/1/2010-9:37pm at 9:37 pm (UTC -4)
Get your card ready again, NJ. Reed Johnson signed for 1 year with the Dodgers.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-9:41pm at 9:41 pm (UTC -4)
lol
prismo
2/1/2010-9:46pm at 9:46 pm (UTC -4)
Rumor has it he signed with the Dodgers because the Mets didn’t have enough money to offer him a contract.
trs86
2/1/2010-9:47pm at 9:47 pm (UTC -4)
Obviously. It has nothing to do with the fact that they did not want him even before they got GMJR. LOL, quite a quandary isn’t it Prismo. I guess we are just going to have to put up with it for a while.
Hazmet
2/1/2010-10:11pm at 10:11 pm (UTC -4)
I bid 500 quatloo’s for the washed up outfielder.
Oh, sorry wrong thread.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-9:51pm at 9:51 pm (UTC -4)
When Omar called him collect with the contract offer (which was in the form of an IOU) his agent got scared off….
trs86
2/1/2010-10:00pm at 10:00 pm (UTC -4)
Mets Merized does not get enough credit. Joe D does an incredible job. Today’s post on Reyes:
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2010/02/speed-kills-reyes-ready-to-become-a-lethal-weapon-again.html
“No matter how hard the Mets’ front office tries to damper my spirit, it’s the players who I admire and support with every ounce of my Mets passion.”
“A full season from a healthy Jose Reyes will be more significant than any other signing the Mets could have made this offseason.”
stickguy
2/1/2010-10:05pm at 10:05 pm (UTC -4)
JD does make a good point.
fans really don’t care about the FO. want to see the players, and the team play games. That will suck them back in.
even the ones that whine about boycotting the wilpons will get sucked right back in.
guaranteed, if the Mets win their 1st 5 games, the WS bandwagon will be SRO.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
Winning cures all.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
My fear is how badly things will go if we don’t start hot.
It’s not like 20 games into the season they fire Omar and Jerry and things will instantly be better on the field, in the media or in the FO.
In my opinion you want to get the fans and the media off your back then give them what they want, fire Omar. Then of course they will just find something else to complain about.
stickguy
2/1/2010-10:19pm at 10:19 pm (UTC -4)
yeah, I figured the flip side (losing the 1st 5) went without saying.
but if the mets have proven to be anything, it is stubborn. Except when they are knee-jerk reactionary.
and as noted below, we should all rally around the fire Jerry,jerry stinks flagpole.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:27pm at 10:27 pm (UTC -4)
Sent you an email.
stickguy
2/2/2010-7:26am at 7:26 am (UTC -4)
will get it tonight.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:10pm at 10:10 pm (UTC -4)
I will say this you will know the season started when Ceetar gives his 1st Manuel is a terrible mgr line. lol
trs86
2/1/2010-10:12pm at 10:12 pm (UTC -4)
Ah something every Mets fan can agree on. There in we will find harmony.
ceetar
2/1/2010-10:12pm at 10:12 pm (UTC -4)
I almost made a reference above. Actually, I manage to sprinkle at least one in a day on Metsblog or twitter.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:16pm at 10:16 pm (UTC -4)
You know Ceet’s I didn’t always agree with you early last season on Manuel but as the season went on Manuel convinced me that other than a I’m one of you guys approach and his love for talking to the media he brings very little to the table.
So I just hope the Mets play well enough to win despite Manuel which is harder than it sounds.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. I don’t think Jerry is a bad guy, I just think he’s in the wrong place at the wrong time. He’s not the type of manager needed right now with this group of guys, with this type dysfunctional FO.
prismo
2/1/2010-10:20pm at 10:20 pm (UTC -4)
BOBBY V
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:22pm at 10:22 pm (UTC -4)
Shhh!!! No one is supposed to know about that.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:24pm at 10:24 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, there was some report that I don’t give a lot of credit to saying that Bobby V would come back if the Mets wooed him like a girl that had broken up with him. LOL.
Hazmet
2/1/2010-10:40pm at 10:40 pm (UTC -4)
My conspiracy theory is that Jeff on his way home spins by Bobby V’s house in CT and gets input on who he wants around for when he takes over for Jerry in a few months. He wants to evaluate this group of kids they have in the minors so they’re not trading any of them. The Wilpons Star Chamber plan for the team.
GravediggerHebner
2/1/2010-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
Torrealba is a career back up catcher. The Mets already have 3 of those. If they’re going to actually spend money on the catcher position they shouldn’t waste it on someone who had to hit .291 and get on base at a .351 clip in 2009 just to raise his career BA & OBP to .255 & .315, which are eerily similar to the (admittedly much shorter) career numbers of the guy currently keeping the spot warm for Thole, who has a career .254/.290 line and won’t have the job for long anyway.
It makes ZERO sense for the Mets to sign Torrealba. Perhaps they haven’t made him an offer because they realized the last time they did what a bad idea it was and managed to wrangle out of it, and aren’t interested in doing that again. But no, apparently the fact they haven’t offered him anything is because they’re broke. Yeah, that makes MUCH more sense than he just sucks. Right.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:23pm at 10:23 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. He is not a starter so how does that help us.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:23pm at 10:23 pm (UTC -4)
Good one Grave. I posted this up top but here is my take on it.
Sounds like the Post is baiting Minaya into signing Torrealba by suggesting if the Mets don’t sign him they will say you see the Mets have no money and if they do sign him they will rip them as a desperate attempt at signing a free agent.
GravediggerHebner
2/1/2010-10:32pm at 10:32 pm (UTC -4)
Wow the Post really needs a hobby if they as the Yankee paper are reduced to baiting the Mets GM into action. They should just concentrate on “we miss Johnny Damon” stories, that appeals to their audience more than Yorvit Torrealba to the Mets ever will.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:32pm at 10:32 pm (UTC -4)
lol it is the Post.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
And for all you conspiracy theorists out there….
Anyone think Torrealba is holding them hostage with the mindset of ‘sign me now and I’ll make this whole grievance/suit thing go away from last time and let bygones be bygones?
Just throwing it out there as food for thought. Not saying I subscribe to that but nothing, and I mean nothing, would surprise me at this point.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, he’s got no market. Thus if he gets 1M from us then that’s more than he may get from the next contract and his silly case.
GravediggerHebner
2/1/2010-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
It could be. I remember a few weeks back Yorvit was coming to NY for a meeting with the Mets regarding his grievance, I think I even wrote a post about it. But then I never heard/read anything about it actually happening (or not).
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:41pm at 10:41 pm (UTC -4)
I never heard another word about it either. Which just got me thinking about it again when this post went up….
trs86
2/1/2010-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, William Shatner on RAW is hilarious.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:34pm at 10:34 pm (UTC -4)
I just saw Reyes hit what appeared to be a tractor tire on the floor with a sledge hammer?
trs86
2/1/2010-10:35pm at 10:35 pm (UTC -4)
Reyes using rubber to prevent further complications?
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:44pm at 10:44 pm (UTC -4)
I just watched that video too not 5 minutes ago.
Is this standard training for rehab and/or getting ready for ST?
Or is this more of the Mets ‘unique’ exercises? I.E. that 60 swings in 15 seconds or whatever it was last year. LOL…..
And call me naive but I believe Jose 100% when he says he feels great, he is ready. Didn’t cross my mind for a nano second this is all smoke passed down to him from the FO to say….
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:36pm at 10:36 pm (UTC -4)
lol but it better be max strength with the way he was slinging that sledge hammer.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:38pm at 10:38 pm (UTC -4)
No wonder he dances so much.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:39pm at 10:39 pm (UTC -4)
Feel free to chime in any time 4D.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:46pm at 10:46 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, I did but my comment is down at the bottom of the last page so here goes again:
I just watched that video too not 5 minutes ago.
Is this standard training for rehab and/or getting ready for ST?
Or is this more of the Mets ‘unique’ exercises? I.E. that 60 swings in 15 seconds or whatever it was last year. LOL…..
And call me naive but I believe Jose 100% when he says he feels great, he is ready. Didn’t cross my mind for a nano second this is all smoke passed down to him from the FO to say….
GravediggerHebner
2/1/2010-10:46pm at 10:46 pm (UTC -4)
I am not watching whatever you’re watching but earlier tonight on MLB Hot Stove they actually broke down video of Jose running sprints in a gym.
Harold Reynolds played slo-mo video and said “see he’s not lifting his left leg as high as his right leg because he still doesn’t trust his right hamstring completely to push off with it” or words to that effect and that “until he actually gets on a baseball diamond and attempts to steal 2B in an adrenaline situation we/he won’t know whether he’s fully back or not, but he looks good for where he’s at in his rehab” or words to that effect.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:51pm at 10:51 pm (UTC -4)
This is the video I was referring to:
http://web.sny.tv/media/video.jsp?content_id=7151849&topic_id=6479520
And according to Jose in this one, all is right with his legs right now.
GravediggerHebner
2/1/2010-10:59pm at 10:59 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you for the link. The footage from MLB network was clearly shot in the same place I recognize their logo on the wall (and Jose’s toque).
On my computer the video is choppy. On TV they were simply showing that one leg wasn’t pumping as high as the other one, but Harold Reynolds in analyzing it didn’t suggest it was cause for alarm, and they also didn’t have any “before” video to compare it to.
I’m not worried about it. The fact that he says he feels good and is ready to play beisbol is good enough for me.
Mr North Jersey
2/1/2010-10:44pm at 10:44 pm (UTC -4)
A final thought before I shut it down for the night.
I understand the good news in watching Reyes run full sprints but I have this feeling everyone is going to be wearing the Mets blue on their faces by holding their collective breath till Opening Day when they see that all the players are on the 25 man roster.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-10:49pm at 10:49 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Just had that same conversation with my Dad a little earlier tonight. Both of us agree we can’t wait until ST starts so we all can see that all who keep telling us they’re ready to go really are (Beltran aside).
Johan, Maine, Ollie, Frenchie, etc. etc.
After watching that Jose/Kevnin B. video I’m convinced Jose is.
trs86
2/1/2010-10:57pm at 10:57 pm (UTC -4)
NJ can you get that video from SNY and post it tomorrow sometime? I can’t find an embed link.
Kingman 26
2/1/2010-10:57pm at 10:57 pm (UTC -4)
Geez, great thread!
Metsblog’s loss of all of these great folks is most clearly TRDMB’s gain!
I know I am going to be laser-focused on every damn minute of spring training like never before…and I always am laser-focused on how Ollie does against some college team the last week of February!
GravediggerHebner
2/1/2010-11:02pm at 11:02 pm (UTC -4)
When I was 16 I sent my SAT scores to Eckerd College in Florida solely because the Mets used to play them in spring training. That could’ve been me facing Ollie. Oh wait, I’m too old. That could’ve been me facing Sid Fernandez.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-11:13pm at 11:13 pm (UTC -4)
hahaha – Right now, Sid has a way better track record with the Mets than Ollie does.
Good thing I wasn’t clever enough to think of that way back when. I coulda seen me at 18 pleading my case to my parents as to why I had to go to college in FL. Only I would have been one of the ‘groupies’ hanging out at the field every spring…..
trs86
2/1/2010-11:15pm at 11:15 pm (UTC -4)
I am sure he will continue to have one. Sid does not get enough credit. In fact that entire staff other than Gooden does not get enough credit.
GravediggerHebner
2/1/2010-11:26pm at 11:26 pm (UTC -4)
My “on that note” fun fact before I sign off:
In 1986, the Mets used a total of 15 pitchers, and only 8 of them threw more than 50 innings each, the 5 starters and 3 of the relievers.
In 2009, the Mets used a total of 24 pitchers, and 13 of them threw more than 50 innings each, 5 who only started, 4 who only relieved, and 4 who did both.
trs86
2/1/2010-11:07pm at 11:07 pm (UTC -4)
LOL! Agreed. The commenters on TRDM are the best in the business.
metsfan4decades
2/1/2010-11:26pm at 11:26 pm (UTC -4)
Was waiting to see if the Mets would address the Putz comments. Just saw this on Mets.com:
The Mets issued a statement Monday in which they said they were “aware that he had a bone spur before the trade. He had the same condition in 2008 and was able to pitch with it,” the statement said. “J.J. underwent an exam during Spring Training and an additional exam and MRI before he was cleared to play in last year’s World Baseball Classic. Unfortunately the spur did flare up again in May, and he missed the rest of the season. We are happy to hear he is feeling well, and wish him success with the White Sox.”
“The Mets said a physical examination is standard only when a player signs as a free agent or re-signs with the club, not when he is acquired in a trade. The statement doesn’t address the club allowing Putz to pitch in the WBC when it was aware of the spur. The Mets said they had not urged him to lie about his condition and that they had acknowledged his elbow problem when they announced the trade at the Winter Meetings, Dec. 11.”
trs86
2/1/2010-11:28pm at 11:28 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I updated the Putz article but forgot to put update in the headline.