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Feb 04

Should the Mets Sign Hot Rod?


According to what Matt Cerrone has gathered: Buzz: Mets still interested in Rod Barajas

I actually agree with Cerrone that the Mets should be interested in Barajas because it seems as though he has no market left.  Matt thinks a contract of 1/3 would get it done.  At this point in early February would it even cost that much?  1/2 seems more than enough.  Assuming that the price indeed would be between 2-3M for one year, do you think the Mets should sign Hot Rod?  Based only on articles read there is an assumption that he is an average to above average defensive catcher.  Based on stats he is Brian Schneider offensively with a little more pop.  He is younger than 35 so he has that going for him (Take that Molina) and last season was his first dip below .700 OPS since 2003.

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103 comments

  1. prismo

    Pic’s down!

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Yeah. I don’t know how TRS does these but I find they slow down my load times. I just “grab” the pics I want to use to my desktop, then upload them directly into my posts rather than linking to them.

      Sorry for the “behind the curtain” stuff folks.

      1. trs86

        Work computer FROWNS on downloads.

  2. GravediggerHebner

    For the record I prefer the Andy Samberg Hot Rod.

    http://www.celebritywonder.com/wp/Andy_Samberg_in_Hot_Rod_Wallpaper_2_1280.jpg

  3. stickguy

    for that price, I give it a shot. Especially if they are really that down on Santos’ defense.

    Not sure what you do with him however.

    And when I saw the thread title, I was wondering why they were looking at bring back Rod Kahnel (sp?)

    1. metsfan4decades

      Kanehl….
      Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. Don’t know why some of these long ago players stick in my mind but he does. Considering he was a bit before my time, wasn’t all that good, only played 2 years in the ML (both with the Mets), I don’t know why I should remember him. He must have done something or been compared to someone when I was a kid and he just stuck in my memory.
      He could play just about every position, but pitching wasn’t one of them….

      1. stickguy

        I don’t think he did anything memorable. It was just because of the “hot rod” nickname. Kinda like Marvelous Marv Throneberry.

        1. metsfan4decades

          True. Other than being those ‘loveable losers’ in the early years and NL fans just happy to have a NL team back in NY, those teams as a whole were pretty forgetable – LOL.

  4. Mr North Jersey

    Phillies signed Pancho Villa?

  5. CaseStreet

    Yes, because if you don’t you’ll get Thole or Coste getting a call-up when Santos or Blanco hits the DL.

    Hot-Rod/Blanco
    Coste/Thole/Santos in AAA

  6. Mr North Jersey

    Who comes off the 40 man roster if they sign Barajas?

    1. GravediggerHebner

      I vote Santos! Or is that Kodos?

    2. stickguy

      when do they have to decide that? right now, or before the season? If the latter, there should be what, 3-4 guys onthe 60 day DL by 4/1, right?

      Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

      Seriously though, there are a couple dead woods (like guys they picked up on waivers) that could certainly be cut loose.

  7. GravediggerHebner

    I’m pro-Barajas signing for 1 cheap year but I must ask why are we stocking up on Phillie-reject catchers?

    1. stickguy

      to get even with them for taking ours?

      1. GravediggerHebner

        I don’t think we’ll ever break even on the exchange because I think at least offensively every catcher is going to look better after 81 home games there as opposed to here. I know we’re half joking when we say it but I think Schneider cracking double figures in HR as their back up is not outside the realm.

    2. CaseStreet

      well Barajas could help us figure out Roy Halladay

      1. fongy2

        Everyone already has….He’s REAL good!

        1. GravediggerHebner

          Yeah, he’d help the starting lineup conjure mystery ailments that force them to the bench for a day. Good luck out there today Cora and Catalanotto!

          1. fongy2

            Chuckle!……True dat.

          2. fongy2

            Or the ‘ol stomach virus.

            I actually used that one myself,
            to get a day off to attend a
            thursday,get-a-way gm @Shea
            a couple times, back in the day.

            Matter-of-fact, I still don’t forgive Anthony Young for: Me,
            having used a sick day, driving to
            Shea,getting my tix,dog& a beer….
            Getting seated on a sunny,beautiful
            day where he proceeded to give up
            like nine runs in the first three
            innings and that was that.

          3. stickguy

            still better than seeing in person Glavine do it in 2/3 of an inning in game 162!

          4. CaseStreet

            gladly I missed that but did get to see the last 7 innings.

            I haven’t seen that many people crying since the gas chamber!

  8. ceetar

    Barajas is better than Santos. and Schneider last year, so it’s an upgrade.

    I don’t give him stupid money, but $2-4 seems fine. I’m fine with demoting Santos off the 40 man. If we lose him, eh. He’s not really going to give us more than Coste or Blanco anyway.

    1. trs86

      No reason we should have to with the garbage we got on it.

  9. stickguy

    OK, I actually went and looked up his stats. Man, he is not a good hitter. At all. A .258 OBP in 400 ABs last year (and .295 the year before). That would even embarrass Molina.

    He did have 19 HRs, but that was about it with the bat.

    So, unless you really, really want him for defense, he really may not bring more to the table than Santos.

    He did (before last year at least) play enough games at 1B for BP to list it as a position played (I forget what the cutoff is) though, if that is important. Not that I would be looking for ways to keep his bat in the line-up.

    1. trs86

      I think it’s 1 game. LOL.

      But as for his offense, we are all also assuming that Santo’s numbers go down. Defensively I am guessing he calls a better game?

      1. fongy2

        I actually think he started a couple gms at first
        last season,I could be wrong but thought I remeber
        seeing him there at some point,watching on by
        MLB package.
        I dont see us signing him so its all likely mute
        BUT man did this guy overplay his hand,turning
        down arb from The Jays.

        1. trs86

          Why do you keep telling us not to talk?

          1. fongy2

            I just hit “Mute” again…….

            Everything’s Okay!..Please proceed.

          2. GravediggerHebner

            One of my favorite Jesse Jackson sketches on SNL is his hosting of the fictional game show “The Question Is Moot.”

          3. fongy2

            I was a big fan of the Phil Hartman
            “Jeopardy” sketches
            myself.

      2. gategem

        Omir’s metrics (mostly from his minor league career) suggest a drop in offensive production but you can always hope that he is a “late bloomer” and gives the Mets more than we expect.

        I agree that he should call a better game since his knowledge of the pitching staff should improve from the time he worked with some of them last year. Unfortunately, with the injuries last year there will still be some pitchers that he will be in the learning mode with this year.

        Over at Amazin’ Avenue Eric Simon has listed the “Mets Current 2010 Projected WAR.”

        If you’re interested in such things the link is

        http://www.amazinavenue.com/

  10. trs86

    As for the 40 man roster stuff, why would you keep Val or even Jesus Feliciano over Santos? Just because he was not a great catcher even being able to be a backup catcher in the MLB has a lot more value than any of those guys.

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Neither one of those guys is currently on the 40 man roster and I see zero chance of Val ever making it on. Feliciano maybe just because he’s 5th on the CF depth chart after Beltran, Pagan, GMJ and FMart.

    2. ceetar

      yeah, a guy like Feliciano who didn’t even get the callup last year with all the injuries while hitting over .300, probably not going to be used this year either.

      1. fongy2

        Agreed!…I wondered about that…And think I
        posted it here around last August. Why wasn’t this
        guy given a look/see? I know hes not a kid,been around a while but he was a starter in The WBC
        and who knows may have been a bright spot in
        a lost season….Like Santos.

        1. ceetar

          Most likely because he has no power (same with Cory Sullivan in like July, also hitting .300) and why they rarely started Reed. Tatis and Sheffield had the hope for power. No word on why they never started Evans who seemed to have power..

        2. GravediggerHebner

          It’s my belief that the organization’s lack of faith in Jesus (Feliciano) is what led to the acquisition of GMJ – they wanted someone as emergency fallback for CF. While Jesus (Feliciano) had intriguing numbers, he is 30 so I agree on not calling him “kid.”

  11. fongy2

    Where’s Ronn Reynolds when you need him???

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Somewhere hoarding the letter “N.”

      1. fongy2

        Dam(n) Him!

  12. CaseStreet

    So Bedard to the M’s for $1.5M.

    If he does come back mid-season they’ll have a playoff rotation of King Felix, Lee and Bedard. That’s pretty good.

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Based on his own past history, Bedard won’t come back “on time” and will find some minor twinge that will prevent him from helping the Ms when they need him in the post season. It is pretty good on paper, I doubt we’ll see it in reality for too long.

    2. CaseStreet

      ah, MC links to a MLBblog site which says a deal might be in the works with a base of 1.5M and a “shipload” of incentives. Pretty shoddy reporting by MC and the MLBblog who doesn’t make that point very clear for guys like MC.

      Still, the natives are going crazy

      1. GravediggerHebner

        I guess the natives are only casually familiar with Erik Bedard. Yes he’s quite talented but in addition to his constant injuries of both the very serious and little nagging varieties he’s kind of a nutjob and not in the good way. To me the latter point was what made a huge difference between my interest in Ben Sheets, not a nutjob, and Bedard, a nutjob.

        I think I’ve noted this before but I always recall an interview with Brian Roberts about what a “strange bird” Bedard was and how he lived the cliche of “marching to his own drummer.” For the most part active major leaguers don’t personally trash fellow active major leaguers so this candor surprised me quite a bit. As much as I like the idea of a modern day Mark Fidrych on the Mets I’m not sure he’d survive the 21st century media here.

        Now if one simply doesn’t think that is a relevant concern, or thinks it’s not even true, then I can’t make them feel the same way about it that I do, but Bedard and I will always be separated by the proverbial 10 foot pole due to his injury history and the way I’ve seen/heard/read his personality portrayed.

  13. stickguy

    At this point, I am all for any incremental changes that can mkae the team better. Even 1-2 wins from a couple of minor moves could be the difference between playoffs and nda.

    So, if Rod’s D and power are really an upgrade over Santos, go for it, if he is coming cheap. Hell, same thing with Hudson (I know, I know) if he ends up in the same boat.

    If the Mets could guarantee 6-7 million for just 1 year, and have Brajas and Hudson instead of Slappy and Santos, it probably does make them measureably better, and for relative chump change.

    Slappy, try and trade him in ST for anything, and if you have to, bite the bullet. He is a sunk cost.

    bottom line? They need a SP too, but making these 2 moves for the infield probably helps all the pitchers be better, and that isn’t something to be ignored.

    1. CaseStreet

      oh stick, I hope Castillo wins a gold glove for you.

      seriously, though, Omar pretty much said he’s done. No incremental moves. He’s sipping Mojitos in Casa de Campo.

      1. stickguy

        I don’t think they are officially done, even though they might not make another move. Probably gamesmanship to a large degree, combined with value shopping.

        A Gm should never be done while there are still areas to improve on the team.

        And if Castillo wins the GG, I will take you to a game in 2011 and buy you all the beer you can drink.

        1. CaseStreet

          Hudson won it last year, so it’s not much of a long shot.

          1. stickguy

            it’s all reputation and a popularity contest. I don’t think slappy has either at this point.

            Frnakly, I expect him to have an injury filled year. Just a hunch, or maybe just his turn!

            and I really don’t want to see Cora as the FT 2B. Another reason I was hoping to see Lopez signed as a play nearly every day jack of all trades type (instead of tatis).

  14. wannybackstra

    From Toronto Star:

    “Adding Gregg to the bullpen means one of either Frasor or Downs will change roles while the other might have to change teams.”

    I’d gladly add either to the Mets’ pen.

    1. fongy2

      Wanny, was Gregg a “type A” FA?

      1. wannybackstra

        He was. But he was not offered arbitration so there is no draft pick compensation.

        1. fongy2

          Thanks, wasn’t sure.
          With that though, I dont understand
          our lack of interest.

          1. wannybackstra

            I hope we were interested. But perhaps he was not interested in going where he had no opportunity to close games.

          2. trs86

            He did get a decent amount right? Something with lots of incentives and options?

          3. wannybackstra

            There’s $2.75m for this year and then a bunch of options and incentives that could bring it to $12m for 3 years.

          4. trs86

            That I guess would be reasonable for a top setup man. Most likely more than the Mets would have wanted to pay. I am guessing that you are right he would not have came here because those incentives would be moot.

  15. fongy2

    Anyone see Murray Chass’ hit on the Mets FO for not being
    able to multi-task?…Just saw it on mlbtraderumors.

    While I’m no Omar fan, it kinda sounds like a cheap-shot.

    I also don’t quite get his point w/us missing out on
    Ibanez as Omar was too busy address the Pen.

    I thought so and just looked it up to confirm, Ibanez didn’t
    sign until a week after Omar got KRod and Putz.
    So, I don’t exactly know what he means.
    Am I missing something here???

    1. Kingman 26

      Yeah, you should ALSO stop saying that Omar cannot multi-task!!

      :-)

      1. fongy2

        Well I do think THAT part of the story was pretty
        much a given :)
        Just thought the story was unfair b/c Omar didnt
        NEED to mutltitask. The KRod/Putz deals were BOTH
        announced on 12/10…And Ibanez didnt sign
        until 12/16.

    2. ceetar

      KRod and Putz were close together. Even this year, he had offers eto Bay and Molina at the same time.

      He can’t multi-task because he wasn’t also calling Chass and leaking info.

      1. gategem

        I find it difficult to believe that Omar can’t multitask. You have to believe that Omar intentionally gives that appearance to some of the agents for reasons that are not disclosed. Chass, on the other hand, has been a sports reporter for many years and probably has a vast array of sources for information. He cannot reveal those sources since if he did so the information pipeline would dry up. But if a number of sources supply the same or similar information there is reason for pause.

        1. trs86

          Agreed. This year at the same time he was rumored to have contracts out to Bay, Lackey and Molina and talking to Boras about Holliday. Omar was hell bent to get one of the big 3.

          1. trs86

            Big 4 if you count Molina’s size.

  16. Mr North Jersey

    So with Hudson close to signing with the Twins can we expect a Castillo for Hudson trade rumor to start within 24 hrs?

  17. wannybackstra

    2 Mets snippets from Keith Law’s chat today:

    Bernhard Riemann (Gottingen)

    Keith, for roughly the price of Gary Matthews Jr., Alex Cora, Fernando Tatis, and Henry Blanco, the Mets could have signed both Garland and Bedard at the base salaries they received from the Padres and Mariners, respectively. Wouldn’t this have improved the consistency, durability and potential upside of their rotation immensely at the approximate cost of a bunch of overpaid, replacement level bench players?

    Klaw (2:08 PM)

    Yes.

    Nick (Long Island, NY)

    Given a year in AAA do you thinkl Josh Thole be a good enough defensive catcher to start in 2011?

    Klaw (2:09 PM)

    Yes.

    1. GravediggerHebner

      Met fan in Lower Saxony. Psyched!

    2. CaseStreet

      unless Garland or Bedard can play the field, or the Mets have rookies to play the field, the argument doesn’t make sense.

      1. trs86

        AGREEEEEED

    3. trs86

      Of course what Keith does not mention is how it may have taken much more money to get Bedard and Garland to come to NY. That they may not have wanted to pitch for the Mets. That the Mets may not have liked them. It also does not take into account the players that would have had to be signed to replace GMJR, Cora, Tatis, and Blanco. Assuming we brought in vets to do that the price would have most likely been about the same. Assuming we brought in minor league scrubs (scary thought when those guys backup guys that have question marks of their own) would have still cost about another 2M. The only one out of that entire list that is overpaid is Cora. I have no idea why teams like the Redsox and Mets are willing to overpay for Cora but fact is they do.

      1. CaseStreet

        your love for Tatis is scary.

        1. trs86

          Nothing to do with love. His base salary is less than 1M for a guy who put up .282 .339 .438 .777 while playing 6 positions. I don’t have a love for Tatis, I have a love for common sense over bias.

        2. stickguy

          Tatis is getting what, about 300K above minimum wage? Not exactly breaking the bank there.

        3. CaseStreet

          I agree, but still think you have a man crush

          1. trs86

            Because I think he is one of the better bench guys in the NL? Prove me wrong.

          2. CaseStreet

            simple,

            2 men + crush = man crush

          3. trs86

            Again, it’s about common sense and putting bias aside. Should I dislike him because most Mets fans do? I am looking at stats, versatility and comparing them to bench players around the league. Factoring in that and salary means he is a good guy to have on the bench. It has nothing to do with a middle school crush.

          4. CaseStreet

            I’m just busting your chops.

            I’d just set my sights higher than Tatis, you could do better. lol

          5. trs86

            True. I know you are. But I just don’t get the hate for Tatis. I completely understand the hate for Cora. On the field he has not earned the 2M paid and most likely won’t earn the at least 2M still owed.

          6. wannybackstra

            Either of you see Modern Family last night?

            “Splash landing?”

          7. trs86

            I DVR the show and because of basketball I am SO behind.

      2. stickguy

        He also ignores the fact that the Mets could have signed all of those bench guys (at the saem price), and also have added Garland and Bedard 9at their prices).

        They did have bigger offers out to Pinera and Molina, so the money must have been available.

        So maybe the Mets just didn’t feel like having them (or vice versa).

        It wasn’t really an either/or situation, but I guess Law was just answering in theory (better to spend $x on one set of players or the other). Without option C, get them all!

        1. trs86

          Great point Stick. It’s like Law is believing Onley’s garbage. He must know better.

      3. wannybackstra

        Law didn’t say he would have done the same thing. He agreed that it would have improved the rotation at the same price of the bench players.

        However, he did not say it would have been wiser to sign the pitchers and abandon the bench.

        You have to read the question as it was asked.

        1. trs86

          I guess you are right. Still looks as though it is implying a poor use of resources. When we don’t know how much those resources would have cost to start with.

          Also, my math is confused as usual.

          Bedard 1.5 + incentives is the rumored deal.
          Garland 5M (including buyout for next year)

          Cora 2M
          Tatis .8
          Blanco .75
          GMJR 1M

          4.55M

          1. wannybackstra

            I don’t know that Law is implying anything. He answered a poorly formulated question literally (at least from the point that we may want to infer from it). And Law is the type that would intentionally answer a question literally knowing that he’s not really answering what the reader wants to know — just to f*ck with them.

            As to your last point, the reader specifically cited to the “approximate” cost. Not the exact cost.

          2. trs86

            True, and the reader did not give him any wiggle room to say that those salaries would have most likely been higher with the Mets.

            So mostly, a pointless question.

  18. CaseStreet

    Question: If Omar doesn’t bring in anyone else, do you feel he have given Molina and Pineiro the two year deals they were asking for?

    1. trs86

      should have? NO
      Would have? Maybe?

  19. trs86

    OK someone answer this: Has Bedard signed yet? I don’t think he is coming to NY so it does not really matter. However, MLBTR has no contract signed, yet MC has it as a done deal. Usually MLBTR is much more reliable.

    1. CaseStreet

      they link to the same article except MC can’t read.

  20. wannybackstra

    Matt’s Blog has this news:

    “The Mets have signed infielder Jolbert Cabrera, infielder Luis Hernandez and LHPs Bobby Livingston and Travis Blackley to minor-league contracts and invited all four to Spring Training.

    In addition, the team extended invites to RHPs Jenrry Mejia and Carlos Muniz, LHPs Eric Niesen, C Francisco Pena, 1B Ike Davis and SS-2B Ruben Tejada and OF Kirk Nieuwenhuis.”

    We may have to revise the Bisons’ roster once again.

    1. CaseStreet

      any surprises? I figure they need another catcher which is why they invited Pena

      1. wannybackstra

        No surprises to me.

        Pena is probably getting a look because at some point he’ll have to sh*t or get off the pot.

        1. CaseStreet

          Pena still has 3 years to take a poop, correct?

          1. trs86

            That is a long dump.

          2. wannybackstra

            Yeah, he signed in 2007. He ought to sit under the mango tree with Pedro. Mangos are a good source of fiber.

          3. CaseStreet

            didn’t know mangu grew on trees

            http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3419/3224055228_73dbc7ec4f.jpg

          4. GravediggerHebner

            Are we talking mango or mangu? (or man goo?)

    2. trs86

      True, but haven’t they been bringing in some lower prospects every year? As to your signees I guess they could push someone out but there was not a lot of depth at middle IF was there?

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