Feb 12
Our friends over at Mets Merized Online have a breakdown of WFAN’s Boomer Esiason’s interview with Ken Rosenthal this morning on the topic of the Mets being broke that is an interesting read. Please check out their article at the first link and the full interview audio at this one.
Esiason drops the Boom on Rosenthal
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47 comments
ceetar
2/12/2010-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
I like Boomer, he can probably be a little too “It’s all Roses”, but contrasted against the rest of WFAN it’s refreshing. He’s willing to look deeper at things and can see how guys might succeed. I suppose it’s the athlete in him, but It’s a nice change.
I love how he takes apart Rosenthal here.
Mr North Jersey
2/12/2010-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
I like that Boomer admits to being a fan. It’s refreshing to hear it come through over the radio. One of the biggest problems I had in listening to Mike and Mike over on ESPN Radio back when I still listened to ESPN Radio was how Mike Golic was not a fan of any sports team. He is doing Sports talk radio talking to sports fans but has no idea what it is to be a fan. He talks to fans but can’t relate to them.
DNDJohan aka kistics
2/12/2010-1:18pm at 1:18 pm (UTC -4)
Tell that to Michael Kay. He claims that he’s not a fan of any baseball team. Sure.. whatever… he may not be a fan of any team, but he does hate the Mets.
ceetar
2/12/2010-1:37pm at 1:37 pm (UTC -4)
That Cowherd idiot on in the afternoons when I desperately try to switch away from Francesa when i’m driving around at lunch is the same way.
stickguy
2/12/2010-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
this, I liked. Always nice to see rumor mongers and hacks have to stand up to real grilling on the crapola they like to put out for shock value.
trs86
2/12/2010-12:26pm at 12:26 pm (UTC -4)
Great job calling this guy out. He should start on day 2 with Bastar Olney.
Again just because the Mets did not sign someone does not mean they are out of money. How ridiculous is that?
“Look at Jon Garland and Joel Pineiro and how they signed for less than what some expected and yet the Mets did not get involved. Obviously they don’t want to raise payroll anymore, that’s why I wrote what I did.â€
So because Garland wanted to pitch out west and Pineiro turned down our reasonable offer the Mets are out of money?
And damn, do you not get the difference between currently done spending and out of money? Those are 2 different things.
trs86
2/12/2010-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
Hey fangraphs is starting to play like normal reporters:
Jack Moore seems to think that Jeter is a perfect fit for the Yankees.
CaseStreet
2/12/2010-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
no, he says the NYS is the perfect fit for Jeter.
trs86
2/12/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
You can get the audio on the link above the pic now.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah I had to change that around a bit because you linked Mets Merized’s article title to WFAN’s audio. I fixed it so both links go to where they indicate they do now without the bait and switch aspect of MMO’s title going to WFAN (I wanted to make sure MMO got credit since they did it first).
trs86
2/12/2010-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I just thought that being you had linked to Mets Merized in the opening line you wanted to link to the audio in the 2nd one.
No prob.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
It was my goal to do that later, I didn’t realize the audio was already available so the first link was just to MMO’s front page, the second to their specific article. Now it is exactly as I wanted it to ultimately be and quicker than I anticipated so the end justifies the means and thank you for quickly finding that audio and linking it. Go team!
CaseStreet
2/12/2010-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
actually, I like Rosenthal the most out of the super reporters. He’s mostly reliable when reporting on transactions.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed which makes his stooping to assumptions on the payroll that much more disappointing.
mrose
2/12/2010-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
I miss listening to Boomer and Carton here in FL.
Love Boomer goin off on him and Rosenthal looked like a moron
mrose
2/12/2010-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
sounded* like a moron
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
He may very well have looked like one too.
I don’t mind assumptions presented as assumptions, but when educated professionals put forth assumptions as facts they should be called on their lazy disappointing actions and shoddy half-assed reporting.
mrose
2/12/2010-1:10pm at 1:10 pm (UTC -4)
I mean, Boomer pointed out how many teams are dropping payroll and I wish boomer or carton would have pointed out to prove how Piniero absolutely would have improved the rotation at 8M+ per year… thats what I was waiting for.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
I want to make this very clear: what I’m about to say is an assumption of mine, I have absolutely NO PROOF THAT IT MIGHT BE TRUE.
I am so often surprised by these various pundits using their various platforms to put forth the concept that mediocre-to-poor baseball players, or at least inconsistent baseball players and aging, declining baseball players, would be improvements for teams and wondering “why are these guys not signed” that it makes me wonder if maybe the BBWAA and the MLBPA have some kind of informal relationship. I just don’t understand the reasoning behind pro baseball writers strong advocacy for such uncertain players.
Every day I read or see or hear these guys talking about so many marginal questionable ballplayers being “an” or “the” answer for teams it’s astounding.
ceetar
2/12/2010-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
The informal relationship they may have is just making their jobs easier. If Rosenthal came out and bashed the Mets acquisition of Bay for instance, the next time he’s in the clubhouse and Bay is the hero for his walkoff home run, maybe He’ll not want to talk to someone that was so critical of him.
It’s easier to kick guys on the way out (Gammons and Bay for instance) or pick on marginal players that won’t be around long or aren’t likely to be needed for quotes and stories.
Look at Murphy. Davis is basically already written in for the 2011 job, so to reporters Murphy is at best a bit-player that’ll be a utility guy or traded. He’s not a guy that if he proves them wrong and plays well that they’ll likely have to deal with long term.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-2:31pm at 2:31 pm (UTC -4)
There is a ton of logic and reason in what you’re saying here but it doesn’t jive with many specific instances of what I’m referring to.
In your logical scenario, it makes sense that these reporters would “campaign” as it were for guys like Joel Pineiro or Jason Marquis to get jobs, they are young enough and likely to be around (and therefore necessary to get quotes from) for a while.
But there has to be some other reason why they would advocate vociferously for 35 year old starting catchers (who it seems to me would be ‘on the way out’) and Jermaine Dye and other guys who may simply just be at or at least very close to the end.
So I follow and I get it and it makes sense in some, perhaps even many cases, but not all. Another thing it does is shines a bright light on the fuzzy line between fact-based reasonable reporting and their own self-interest.
ceetar
2/12/2010-3:11pm at 3:11 pm (UTC -4)
Well the name Molina is basically baseball royalty in a way. He does have two brothers in the biz right?
But I think the main thing is that, much like the announcers we ridiculed above, reporters and writers are not fans and form allegiances for different reasons. Could be a guy like Dye is a good interview in general, and that type of thing catches on. the media is also more likely to not harness an original thought and feed off each other. So if one columnist makes a case for a Joel Pineiro, other guys will applaud him and agree.
How about Barry Bonds? He was a guy that was never happy with the way the media treated his father, and set his stance early as being a guy ‘against’ the media, so they had nothing to lose by criticizing him.
stickguy
2/12/2010-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
Or, like Heyman, you are getting paid under the table by an agent to drum up business and help him move his merchandies.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-3:28pm at 3:28 pm (UTC -4)
All very good points. Which still I believe show that the media are not to be trusted as unbiased reporters of fact.
I have long believed that the reason Orlando Hudson is so praised is primarily his media accessbility and savvy, with his actual ability to play the game a distant second. You seem to confirm this.
I understand why certain relationships are formed and nurtured but that doesn’t make the reporting any more believable or factually correct, it simply makes it more possible.
You and I and many others are intelligent and informed enough to understand that and pass judgment on stories with this in mind. Unfortunately there are many readers of Rosenthal who don’t and now parrot “bagock The Mets are Broke bagock!”
ceetar
2/12/2010-3:34pm at 3:34 pm (UTC -4)
is bacock the proper way to describe a parrot sound? hmm..
Arguably the ticket sales are directly related to it too. I mean, if these guys were writing Perez is going to haev a brilliant year and Pelfrey is goign to develop into an ace of Brandon Webb potential, it might make people more excited to buy tickets.
Hmm, this might be the usefulness of game recap articles, which most of us don’t read. I’ve heard some say maybe they don’t have a place anymore, but the casual, newspaper reading, fan sees a game recape and you can’t hide the positives. There isn’t many ways to make “Reyes’ game-winning triple the difference in the game” negative.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-3:48pm at 3:48 pm (UTC -4)
I’m not sure how to spell things in parrot language, I’m just glad you recognized it for what it signified.
Yes a strictly fact laden game recap would be the best unbiased look at any particular game I agree.
Unfortunately when I write them they are seldom unbiased and only loosely fact based, but luckily as you say no one reads them
except for my August 3rd one which people still read every day for some reason, please allow me to put humility aside and point out the third most read post in the history of this site:
http://realdirtymets.com/2009/08/03/post-game-nelson-riddled/
My work sets the bar really low for the professionals, making their results all the more disappointing by comparison.
ceetar
2/12/2010-3:57pm at 3:57 pm (UTC -4)
I wasn’t really referring to this site, or any websites, but the Daily News/newspaper headlines that millions of people see every day whether or not they read the papers even. Not to mention the news recaps and radio. Even if the Mets are ‘perceived’ to be a joke, if you’re a Mets fan in June and you hear on the news that Santana pitched a complete game 14 strikeout shutout last night, it gets you excited about the team.
CaseStreet
2/12/2010-4:17pm at 4:17 pm (UTC -4)
grave, if you google Mona Lisa and New York Mets, your article is 2nd in results. If you google Mona Lisa and New York Met, your article is 4th in results.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-4:21pm at 4:21 pm (UTC -4)
It sure seems like an odd combination of things to google unless perhaps after a 1 hitter or something, yet it seems to happen with regularity every day.
CaseStreet
2/12/2010-4:23pm at 4:23 pm (UTC -4)
not if you are looking for the other New York Met
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-4:25pm at 4:25 pm (UTC -4)
Yes the singular makes more sense. I must’ve pissed off like 1,100 people by now. Serendipity baby!
Now that you’ve unlocked the secret for me I’ll be sure to work Van Gogh and Cezanne into some post games this season.
ceetar
2/12/2010-4:28pm at 4:28 pm (UTC -4)
I believe I have a blog post(s) at my site that are in the top couple for googling the phrase “Phillies Suck”
CaseStreet
2/12/2010-4:31pm at 4:31 pm (UTC -4)
Grave, you are a marketing genius. Bravo.
Kingman 26
2/12/2010-6:04pm at 6:04 pm (UTC -4)
Nelson Riddled is absolutely frigin hilarious.
It brings to mind a Monday Night Football game, when the old Dolphin safety Louis Oliver really slammed someone, and Dan Dierdorf said “Well, Oliver really gave him the Twist there.”
trs86
2/12/2010-6:18pm at 6:18 pm (UTC -4)
It certainly is the Mona Lisa picture. If you go to google and pull up pics of Mona Lisa the bubble gum one always comes up. Who is the first one to have that link? TRDM.
Go Grave.
DNDJohan aka kistics
2/12/2010-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
I think Boomer has pretty good personal relationship with the Wilpons. So, he may have had to defend his boys against a cheap shot. Usually Boomer is more calm and rational of the two and I’m surprised that he did that. But I don’t think it was exploding on Ken Rosenthal. I think it was defending his boys more than anything which comes from his pro-athlete past.
njstuckintx
2/12/2010-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
What a DB Rosenthal comes off like. Isn’t it his job to know if certain sources have axes to grind and to take their information as biased info? Poor reporting exposed!
DNDJohan aka kistics
2/12/2010-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe Rosenthal is looking for a job within the Mets organization
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-1:27pm at 1:27 pm (UTC -4)
Ha ha! Near future scene:
Jeff Wilpon calls a press conference.
“I’ve brought you here today to introduce our new GM Ken Rosenthal. Ken has a few words.”
“Thank you Jeff. I would like to say my first official act as GM is to hire Adam Rubin as minor league coordinator and assistant GM. My second official act is I have traded Fernando Martinez and Josh Thole to the San Francisco Giants for C Bengie Molina and extended his contract, he will now be with us through the 2015 season. Also I have traded Jon Niese, Jenrry Mejia and Brad Holt to the Los Angeles Angels for Joel Pineiro and have extended his contract so he and Bengie will be together for the next 5 seasons.”
“I would ‘like’ to say those things but unfortunately I can’t do any of those things because Jeff and Fred are broke, so instead I have traded Johan Santana and Carlos Beltran for a handful of marginal Advanced A ball prospects as a salary relief move.”
trs86
2/12/2010-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, nice play.
trs86
2/12/2010-1:31pm at 1:31 pm (UTC -4)
Ken: In fact, I am paying them for me to be GM.
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-1:31pm at 1:31 pm (UTC -4)
This didn’t take long. The Mets signed him and now he’s their 37th best prospect:
http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2010/02/12/37-lhp-hisanorori-takahashi/
stickguy
2/12/2010-1:44pm at 1:44 pm (UTC -4)
well, he deserves to be. If you look at the 37th best prospect in any organization, it will likely be a fringe prospect at best.
And this guy will be in camp competing for a spot in the rotation.
Read the bio on the guy behind him (#38, Angel Cuan). Never heard of him before. Some low level marginal guy with about a 1% chance of ever sniffing a ML rotation, and maybe a little better as a BP mop up man some day.
Kingman 26
2/12/2010-2:39pm at 2:39 pm (UTC -4)
Great work by Boomer, great work (as usual) by the Great Grave.
This nonsense, though, was definitely not believed by any fan with an IQ over the mid-60s.
Let’s get someone to confront Olney next–maybe a player or someone in the organization. Maybe if Backman and Teufel are in FLA and Buster comes sniffing around, they can teach him manners ’86-Mets style.
I have to say, I know I am FAR from the only person who feels this way, but the burgeoning backlash against the anti-Met liars in the media and the more moronic of the Nabobs is making me very happy, and making me look even more forward to the Metsies getting going next week.
Hail to the real fan–TRDMB rules!
GravediggerHebner
2/12/2010-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
All I did was read someone else’s blog and pass it along, so I respectfully submit the great work kudos should go to the author “Hojo’s Mojo” over at “Mets Merized Online” because it was his post that brought this item to my attention.
Kingman 26
2/12/2010-3:03pm at 3:03 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, but you chose to make a post about it and give it the prominent display it deserves.
ceetar
2/12/2010-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
hey, don’t knock the importance of reading. So many Phillies fans can’t even do that.