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Feb 16
Do The Nats Have Better Pitching Than The Mets?
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19 comments
trs86
2/16/2010-8:24am at 8:24 am (UTC -4)
Uh… NO.
Last year the Nats ERA was over 5.00, the worst in the NL. How does adding a career 4.50 ERA guy they are suddenly better? Nah.
The Mets had most likely, baring the freak happenings again, the worst years from 4 of their starting 5. Even Johan had an off year.
stickguy
2/16/2010-8:34am at 8:34 am (UTC -4)
1st, you couldn’t pay me enough (well, OK, you could pay me..) to click on a link to listen to those 2.
But, like TRS said, no. Unless you think Strausberg is going to lead the team and battle Johan and Halladay and Lincecum for the Cy Young, they have a couple of good young guys with upside, and some dreck.
trs86
2/16/2010-8:44am at 8:44 am (UTC -4)
This is really another silly question that these guys are using to get a rise.
ceetar
2/16/2010-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
If they wanted a serious discussion, they would’ve asked “Will the Mets have better pitching than the Phillies in 2010?” Which is something that you can actually argue both sides decently.
metsfan4decades
2/16/2010-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
+1 on this.
trs86
2/16/2010-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
Agreed, asking who will have better pitching between a team that had an off year with a mid 4′s ERA compared to a team with a 5+ ERA is a non story.
trs86
2/16/2010-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
I think with that question Cole Hamels and Happ are the keys to their rotation just like Pelfrey, Maine and Perez are with ours.
Halladay-Johan: I think because of how deep Halladay goes into games or CG’s gives him a slight advantage but not drastic.
Hamels-Pelfrey: Both had down years but Hamels has a better chance of turning it around. His overall numbers were not that bad.
Happ-Perez: Depends on which Perez.
Maine-Blanton: If Maine is healthy then to me he is a better pitcher.
#5′s? Right now I take our options over theirs.
ceetar
2/16/2010-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
Johan’s age probably offsets Halladay’s Innings total though.
Happ’s still very newbish, definitely give the edge to Perez.
I don’t think Hamels will do much better than Pelfrey, if at all.
trs86
2/16/2010-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
I can’t give Perez the edge over Happ until Happ goes through his most likely sophomore slump and Perez does his most likely rebound.
njstuckintx
2/16/2010-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
What else is there to talk about until Spring Training??? (rolls eyes)
trs86
2/16/2010-9:00am at 9:00 am (UTC -4)
Perhaps, is the Mets offense the 2nd best in the NL East? Will the Mets defense be better in 2009? Did Jerry’s go the other way drill have a negative effect on the Mets? Beltran is ahead of schedule. Johan feels great, Ollie is in great shape. Maine and Pelfrey are ready to perform. Reyes is a veteran and a leader. Reyes is ready to get back to his game. The Mets have 2 of the off-seasons best signings in Iragashi and Escobar…..
njstuckintx
2/16/2010-9:22am at 9:22 am (UTC -4)
But now you are bringing up legitimate points of positiviality.
There are actually many a positive to look at. I’m excited. My subplots for the year are how the Murph-miester handles the season and if he can make the step and Wright refinding his stroke.
darknova306
2/16/2010-9:15am at 9:15 am (UTC -4)
Hearing these two monkeys argue about the Mets and Nats lately has been completely innane. Signing a whole bunch of mediocre players does not change a 100-loss team into a contender. If the Mets are even slightly healthier than last year, we’re still better than these “improved” Nats. Oh, I forgot, Marquis is “always in the playoffs”, so obviously he has the ability to make a team into a contender despite being an extremely mediocre pitcher. Pardon me while I roll my eyes.
fongy2
2/16/2010-9:20am at 9:20 am (UTC -4)
Correction…Marquis’ TEAM is always in the playoffs….
He gets to sit and watch in street clothes!
darknova306
2/16/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Well put, Fongy.
fongy2
2/16/2010-9:18am at 9:18 am (UTC -4)
I’m w/the Stick on this!…Won’t even waste time listening to
these guys. Can Strasburg throw a pitch first?…Detwiler is a
big prospect no doubt BUT he’s a bit away from being anything
more than that. Zimmerman won’t even pitch until next yr,
Marquis is what he is a .500 type,4plus era guy who will eat
innings AND while I like Lannan, he’s no more than a 3rd starter
on a good team…At best.
While, I don’t like the looks of this team coming into the season, THIS is just a dopey topic/debate.
b/t/w, since I haven’t had the chance….I hope all is well with
your old-lady, Rustoleum!!!
Mr North Jersey
2/16/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Darn, I was hoping for some Nationals Fanboys to come in and mix it up with us.
Nothing like mixing it up with you rivals.
fongy2
2/16/2010-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
Not very many to choose from!
GravediggerHebner
2/16/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Will Leitch of New York Magazine claimed the Nats rotation was better than that of the Mets late last week and HotFoot wrote a post about it. This was my response to that post:
“If Leitch wants any credibility as a sports commentator he’s not doing a very good job of establishing it. If his goal is to continue as a sports comedian then he’s doing just fine.
To say the Nats rotation is better than the Mets is ludicrous.
Using the mlb dot com websites for team depth charts, let us compare the two rotations:
#1) Santana versus Marquis
anyone who doesn’t pick Santana in a landslide victory pleas pass what you’re smoking.
#2) Pelfrey versus Lannan
I give the edge to Lannan based on his career ERA & WHIP to this point.
#3) Maine versus Olsen
Maine has the edge based on career ERA & WHIP. Won-loss record is not the best measure but perhaps worth noting that Maine is 7 games over .500 career, Olsen 8 games under. I give the edge to Maine.
#4) Perez versus Martin
Yes we all know well about Perez. He’s made 189 career starts to just 15 for Martin and for their careers Martin’s ERA is 0.10 better and his WHIP is 0.02 better. That says “toss-up” to me.
# 5) Nieve versus Mock
Both have 18 career starts. Nieve’s career ERA is 4.20 and WHIP is 1.41 while Mock’s are 5.17 and 1.65. Nieve looks better to this observer.
So in my view the Mets have the decided advantage at #1, they lose #2, win #3, 4 is a toss up and they win # 5. Exactly how is this vaunted Nats rotation better?
Stick to comedy Mr. Leitch, you’re better at it.”