Thanks to Metsblog for the link: Recap: Thyroid Specialist about Reyes on WFAN
“In her opinion, based on what she has read and heard, “It sounds like he has thyroiditis, which does get better by itself,†but, “the beginning part, could be as short as a few weeks, but it could be longer and take two months.â€
“In her opinion, she has never heard of HGHÂ causing thyroiditis.”
“Dr. Resta said, in most people, it takes three to four weeks before they see better blood levels.”
OK well for some reason I feel better after reading this.
59 comments
udontmesswthejohan
3/12/2010-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
Well, that is not much different that what we already knew to be honest.
Look, at the end of the day, ask yourself this, knowing everything that has gone on for the last 2 years, do you think Jose will be back closer to the 2 week mark or the 8 week mark?
trs86
3/12/2010-3:03pm at 3:03 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think you can use the last 2 years to judge what will happen today. This is not a stat it’s a person.
If I had my guess I would say back playing in 8 weeks but how the hell do I know how is body will respond?
ceetar
3/12/2010-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
Closer to two weeks, because it’s been reported that his condition is pretty mild, and he’s healthy, so maybe this factors into a faster recovery.
she said diet shouldn’t have much affect. I think the diet is a way to balance is immune system if it is indeed an auto-immune issue (which disturbs me a little/lot if it is)
trs86
3/12/2010-3:09pm at 3:09 pm (UTC -4)
Hmmm, 2 weeks would most likely mean that he would only miss about a week of the regular season right?
ceetar
3/12/2010-3:21pm at 3:21 pm (UTC -4)
I’m still holding out delusional hope that he’ll be cleared on his next test next week and back for the opener.
udontmesswthejohan
3/12/2010-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
When I hear two dates, I always immediately assume it will be the longer of the two, and that pretty much goes for any team, but double for the Mets.
trs86
3/12/2010-3:16pm at 3:16 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, I know it’s hard to do but this is not 2009. We have to think that bad luck will not continue to happen. I understand we should plan on 8 weeks though.
stickguy
3/12/2010-2:56pm at 2:56 pm (UTC -4)
I will take the over on the 2 months, factoring having to get some belated ST time in.
so coundt back a week, and May 1st is probably optomistic.
trs86
3/12/2010-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
If I had to put money on it I think in 8 weeks he is on the Mets playing so yeah first of May looks right.
wannybackstra
3/12/2010-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t like this “read this” format that was apparently adopted from Mattsblog.
trs86
3/12/2010-3:03pm at 3:03 pm (UTC -4)
OK
trs86
3/12/2010-3:08pm at 3:08 pm (UTC -4)
That better?
ceetar
3/12/2010-3:11pm at 3:11 pm (UTC -4)
Francesa’s continual insistance that it could be HGH related is based on this article in the daily news: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2010/03/11/2010-03-11_thyroid_woes_may_indicate_ped_use.html
Which, by the way, is using a study nearly 30 years ago that may have established a link between thyroid levels and hGH.
now, the article does mention some other things. thyroid hormones. Is it possible Jose took something, not HGH, to get a boost? I suppose that’s possible, but also seems unlikely for spring training/winter when nothing really counts. But the article is very vague on if athletes do this, what affect it would have, etc etc etc. so who knows.
trs86
3/12/2010-3:12pm at 3:12 pm (UTC -4)
Also 4D has brought up a few times that doc that is being investigated and his special treatment. Again I don’t know if that could cause an imbalance or not but the treatment is so new who knows?
ceetar
3/12/2010-3:23pm at 3:23 pm (UTC -4)
Would be cool if someone thought to ask that in the media.. Not that anyone knows, but someone must have some thoughts on it.
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-3:49pm at 3:49 pm (UTC -4)
Well, jeeze….if I could get that from reading a pamphlet on the procedure in a surgeon’s office you would think minds greater than mine, especially the medical ones associated with the team, could put 2 and 2 together. And maybe they have but don’t want to say…
MF….I decided to do myself a favor and not tune in today. His rant at the top of the 5pm hour yesterday on all things Mets was enough for me.
wannybackstra
3/12/2010-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll regret asking, but what was the sum or substance of his rant?
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-4:03pm at 4:03 pm (UTC -4)
LOL – it’s never as bad when you’re hearing it second hand and not listening to that crazy person spouting his thoughts.
This is what I posted last night:
He starts off with a timeline:
- Mets announced Reyes has an thyroid problem – elevated thyroid count. Will be rested.
- MF says he had on a doctor the other day who said Reyes is going to mix about 6 weeks b/c this condition requires medication and you can’t exercise when you first start taking the meds. Have to wait until they kick in.
- MF calls Omar on his way to work yesterday – relays he hears Reyes will be out about 6 weeks – and Omar says no, he’s being rested but we hope to have him back down in FL in a couple of days.
- Mets announced today the initial re-test showed the level were coming down, the last blood work – after he exercised for a day or two – came back up. Treatment is no meds, watch his diet (cut out shellfish) and get tested once a week. The elevations should start coming back down – will take 2-8 weeks.
MF goes on to say either the Mets are the unluckiest team in baseball right now or they can’t get anything right. In his opinion? They could ’screw up a one car funeral’.
**********************
I’ll add to that: he went on for like 5 minutes straight about how messed up the Mets organization is. Huge sighs, big pregnant pauses after shouting stuff like ‘will they ever get anything right again’?
Luckily I was in my car on the way home and had reached the house 10 minutes into the rant. Did not bother to put it on to hear the rest when I came in….
ceetar
3/12/2010-4:05pm at 4:05 pm (UTC -4)
he compared the Mets to Lyndon B Johnson and the Vietnam War.
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-4:10pm at 4:10 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, thankfully I was probably already home before he said that…
wannybackstra
3/12/2010-4:07pm at 4:07 pm (UTC -4)
It’s typcial of him to focus on bashing the Mets rather than the real issue on the field of how the Mets will perform without 2 of its important stars.
For the record, I don’t really see what the Mets have botched here anyway. They were reporting news as they were receiving it.
I wonder, by the way, if MLB players sign HIPAA authorizations allowing the team to disclose information about their health to the public.
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-4:12pm at 4:12 pm (UTC -4)
You know, I was thinking along those lines yesterday. Privacy issues are a pet peeve of mine. Was thinking along the lines of ‘how about the public has no right to know every single detail about a player’s illness’?
ceetar
3/12/2010-4:17pm at 4:17 pm (UTC -4)
I doubt they sign a release. They probably grant permission with each case. or are allowed to reveal certain details.
Maybe Francessa should start getting on this A-Rod ducking the Feds story.
njstuckintx
3/12/2010-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
T-minus how many days until we can banter about box scores that count? 27?
trs86
3/12/2010-3:21pm at 3:21 pm (UTC -4)
27,000
ceetar
3/12/2010-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
24
njstuckintx
3/12/2010-3:24pm at 3:24 pm (UTC -4)
This can’t come soon enough. The Fat Tires help with that, but man o’ man, had this been and still is a long offseason.
wannybackstra
3/12/2010-3:27pm at 3:27 pm (UTC -4)
By boxscore that count are you referring to meaningful games played in September?
trs86
3/12/2010-3:28pm at 3:28 pm (UTC -4)
Right now wouldn’t you take it?
njstuckintx
3/12/2010-3:30pm at 3:30 pm (UTC -4)
I believe I read somewhere that all games are meaningful, as games won in April add to the total needed in September.
trs86
3/12/2010-3:32pm at 3:32 pm (UTC -4)
Nice play.
wannybackstra
3/12/2010-3:36pm at 3:36 pm (UTC -4)
That’s true! Please tell the Wilpons!
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-3:50pm at 3:50 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe that should have been this year’s theme. Instead of ‘We Believe in Comebacks’, it should have been ‘Every Game Counts’……
trs86
3/12/2010-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
I am thinking in the words of the immortal Hulk Hogan:
“TRAIN, SAY YOUR PRAYERS, EAT YOUR VITAMINS! BE TRUE TO YOURSELF, TRUE TO YOUR COUNTRY,
BE A REAL AMERICAN!”
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-3:54pm at 3:54 pm (UTC -4)
Instead of the magic number count, maybe we should have a side bar with guess # of days until Reyes’ return.
I’m going with weekend series starting 23 April at home against the Braves.
But oh how I want to see Jose on that field come opening day.
trs86
3/12/2010-3:57pm at 3:57 pm (UTC -4)
Hey, you remember how that magic number thing worked out on MB? You trying to cause us to go under?
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-4:04pm at 4:04 pm (UTC -4)
LOL – Uh, sorry…
njstuckintx
3/12/2010-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
I would hate to see the # of days until reyes return… would end up being a sideways 8.
You have decent seats for that game?
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-4:05pm at 4:05 pm (UTC -4)
No seats for me to any game – yet….
trs86
3/12/2010-4:01pm at 4:01 pm (UTC -4)
Be back later. Wanny you are in charge. Carry the torch.
ceetar
3/12/2010-4:03pm at 4:03 pm (UTC -4)
Slipping in some good news late on a Friday?
“By April, Beltran believes he will be able to play in rehabilitation games. Then it would take about a week to 10 days before he could rejoin the club.”
These days, he tracks flyballs. He lifts weights. He sits in a chair and waits for a machine inside the Mets complex here to fire baseballs at him. He can catch them. He can throw them. He just can’t move to corral them.
On Reyes (just cause someone mentioned this cliche in the other thread): “It’s not how you drew it up,” third baseman David Wright said. “But you’ve got to overcome injuries. You’ve got to play the cards that you’re dealt.”
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-4:08pm at 4:08 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, but even in 5 card stud, you can throw in 3 cards after the deal and bet, and ask for 3 new ones….
Then again, knowing our luck, those 3 new cards would say something like:
- Lose one pitcher in the starting rotation for the year – in April
- Lose one outfielder on a two player collision
- Lose one player to a broken ankle at home plate b/c the bat boy didn’t clear the bat off home plate before the runner was racing home.
ceetar
3/12/2010-4:12pm at 4:12 pm (UTC -4)
More of a hold ‘em guy.
And it’s like the river just made our King-high flush. Just gotta hope the opponent doesn’t have the Ace, but he’s been betting weak and we only think he has 2 pair.
njstuckintx
3/12/2010-4:14pm at 4:14 pm (UTC -4)
Step away from the ledge…. Step away from the ledge…
Let’s work with Texas Hold em’ and with the premise that even if you are dealt a 5-8 offsuit, you still could see a 4-6-7 on the flop.
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-4:15pm at 4:15 pm (UTC -4)
Works for me!
ceetar
3/12/2010-4:18pm at 4:18 pm (UTC -4)
We got the 4-6-7 flop, the opponent needs runner-runner Queens to win.
njstuckintx
3/12/2010-4:25pm at 4:25 pm (UTC -4)
Shouldn’t that be reversed then where we need the Queens? Or possibly a flush(ing)? Sorry, end of the day/week bad jokes are coming out. Ceasing and Desisting.
metsfan4decades
3/12/2010-4:23pm at 4:23 pm (UTC -4)
Holy-moly! And I thought some posters on here might be feeling the frustration a little.
Those posting on FWICG.com, especially as it relates to Reyes – are sometimes getting out of control. We no longer have arm chair GMs, we have arm chair MDs…
One guy expressed his frustration though that probably sums up the masses:
MetsIsHotChief March 12, 2010 at 3:55 pm
How soon until you think our blogs will be primarily about baseball and not medical nonsense? I watch baseball to escape a hectic life and enjoy myself, not act like Marcus Welby, MD. Kind of sucks…
Hazmet
3/12/2010-6:04pm at 6:04 pm (UTC -4)
I heard the interview over lunch. I don’t know if this cut’s through any of the ridiculousness of the hysteria but the key things I heard were:
1. The doctor said “She’s never seen level’s drop fast enought in 1-2 weeks to resume activity”
So if he stopped last Friday based on the high levels and next Friday will be the end of week two, the levels won’t be reduced enough by the end of next week.
2. She said “Typically, most people take 3-4 weeks for there levels to return to normal. However, could take as long as 2 months”
My comment: Still plenty of time for mid April return if that’s the case.
3. She said “There is no way this type of thyroid condition can be linked to HGH”
4. She said “It’s surprising for this type of thyroid condition to be brought about by diet”
She alluded to supplements possibly being a contributor.
5. She said “This type thyroid condition is like a sudden burst or dump of hormones (me-I believe, hope I got that right) by the thyroid and that’s why it can’t be treated by drugs. Drugs are used to regulate a thyroid that’s producing too much or too little. A sudden burst or dump can only come down over time naturally”
So, that’s what I heard from my take. So my take, sounds like he was working out like a fiend and had a reaction to a suplement he was using (not HGH) and now he needs to chill and he could be back to start working out in 3-4 weeks. OK great, he could be back in April sounds good too me especially with the good news from Carlos Beltran today.
Yes, I refuse to acknowledge the 8 week projection.
Off to take the child to Karate, see ya’ll later.
Hazmet
3/12/2010-6:09pm at 6:09 pm (UTC -4)
aka – pretty much exactly what TRS86 states in the write up
stickguy
3/12/2010-6:13pm at 6:13 pm (UTC -4)
thanks Hazmet.
A simple question though. In all the talk about needing 2-8 weeks for the levels to be down (the dump to clear), did anyone ever say, so what happens if he doesn’t shut it down?
Will it just take a little longer for the thyroid to reset? If so, how long? And what are the ramifications?
trs86
3/12/2010-8:15pm at 8:15 pm (UTC -4)
In the end, she said, “If his thyroid is very fast and he really over exerts himself, he could develop palpitations, irregular heartbeat, older people can have heart-attacks, because it really is a strain on the heart, even for younger, healthy people,†like Reyes.
Hazmet
3/12/2010-8:15pm at 8:15 pm (UTC -4)
Actually, they did talk about that some. The doctor said Reyes may not have even noticed this, or felt unusual and that it was only as a result of the physical that this was discovered and caution was used. Yes, caution with the Met’s MD’s. She said that Reyes may have been able to play without issue if undiscovered and it would dissipate over the course of time. She did not correlate dissipation time vs. physical exertion level. I don’t think she would have speculated that far. However, she did say that if he kept playing the odds were more than likely that he would have started to feel something physically unusual and would have been checked out. I believe she stated elevated heart rate and possibly shortness of breath. Who know’s maybe this is what happened. The risk was obviously heart rate and as reported the reason he was told not to do anything. She agreed with Beningo’s assessment that “yeah, if you’re an office worker sitting at a desk you probably wouldn’t even know this was happening if you had it”. But an athelete physically exerting daily to max levels something most likely would have surfaced.
So to me, if something most likely would have arisen at some point. Better now while still in spring training then later at the start of the season. And, so long as he’s had the brakes put on him he shouldn’t be at a risk for anything more serious, ie heart attack, etc.
And reading this back, no “So to me” will not become my “from what I can gather”
stickguy
3/12/2010-8:24pm at 8:24 pm (UTC -4)
thanks for reading the article for me!
Hazmet
3/12/2010-8:30pm at 8:30 pm (UTC -4)
My pleasure, I actually heard this over lunch when she was on so hopefully I got it right from memory. Since I’m pretty much doubling up TRS86 to the minute with the same info I think the TRDMB community has got this covered.
Have I mentioned lately thank you TRDMB founding fathers for starting this site. It was really sad to have to go onto the Philly blog occassionally to post after I was booted off MC’s place last Spring.
trs86
3/12/2010-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
TRDM home of all the guys not good enough for MC.
Hazmet
3/12/2010-8:34pm at 8:34 pm (UTC -4)
Great job on this post ’86. It too certainly made me feel better too. Overall, not a bad day in Metland.
trs86
3/12/2010-9:00pm at 9:00 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks Haz, it was a hard day for me trying to remain optimistic until I read this report from MCBlog and then heard the news about Beltran. I really do think come September we will be in the thick of things. As always glad to have you here.
stickguy
3/12/2010-6:14pm at 6:14 pm (UTC -4)
anyway, like I said before, these are pro athletes, and they just do things differently.
Heck, given how many supplements they take, and how many do PEDs, you think they are afraid of a little elevated Thyroid level?