Update: A few new cuts!
“I told him next time he does that I’m going to get my blade out and cut him. I’m a gangster. You go gangster on me, I’m going to have to get you. You do that again, I’m going to cut you right on the field” – Jerry Manuel (June, 2009)
Alright, so this type of cutting is slightly less offensive. Adam Rubin of the NY Daily News is unofficially reporting a number of players cut in camp (meaning they’ll be sent to the minor league squad). This is the first of multiple rounds of cuts.
Clint Everts (P)
Kirk Nieuwenhuis (OF)
Eddie Kunz (P)
Josh Thole (C)
Shawn Bowman (3B)
Eric Niesen (P)
Jack Egbert (P)
Josh Fogg* (P)
R.A. Dickey (P)
Travis Blackley (P)
Bobby Livingston(P)
Arturo Lopez (P)
Andy Green (3B)
Mike Hessman (3B)
Mike Cernevak (3B)
Jesus Feliciano (LF)
Luis Hernandez (SS)
Sorry Josh, not quite yet!
The only notable (in my opinion) is:
Josh Thole, who seemingly will officially not make the big league team to start the season. This isn’t a surprise in the least, but more of a final confirmation.
*Rubin notes that Josh Fogg may decide to retire or ask for his release as he’s been dealing with a muscle injury.
130 comments
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
John Harper’s latest post on making a case for FMart to make the club in Beltran’s absence makes some sense. ‘Fernando Martinez may be best bet for New York Mets while Carlos Beltran is sidelined’
He cites an example of Pagan’s poor baseball instincts in the game last Thr against Boston. Pedroria was on 3rd in the first inning w/ less than 2 outs. Ball hit to Pagan in center, not deep enough to really score him. However, Pagan caught it flat footed, not in a good position to through home. By the time he did, it was up the line a bit and Pedroria scored.
He goes on to make a case for FMart, although inexperienced, might have better game instincts.
stickguy
3/15/2010-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
might have better game instincts (although that is certainly debateble), but I think too much is made of pagan and his “instincts”. Right now, it is quite likely that the overall game (offense/defense/”instincts”) is still better with pagan.
I got no problems with F Mart going down, even if he seems to have earned the shot. Let him get a chip on his shoulder, and destroy AAA pitching to force the issue of coming back up.
Besides, do you really want him riding the bench when Beltran comes back? If not, might as well start him off in the minors.
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
I agree with you. I was just pointing out the column b/c who knows what the Mets have in their minds?
Pagan is an above average athlete. He’ll probably always have poor instincts though. I’m thinking if he hasn’t learned those by now, will he ever?
FMart hasn’t played a full season healthy yet. With Beltran and Reyes’ bat out of the lineup, I’m thinking Pagan’s bat right now is probably better than FMart’s – or at least proven to be better at this point.
I think Harper was making a case for FMart to be Pagan’s backup, instead of GMJ. Don’t think he was advocating keeping FMart up when Beltran comes back.
stickguy
3/15/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
If pagan is intended to play every day, just go with GM backing up and let F Mart get his ABs. in Buffalo.
ceetar
3/15/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
GMJ doesn’t look disasterous right now, so this is less of an issue.
But I was thinking it might not be bad to keep Pagan in the 4th role all season, and have Fernando play regularly until Beltran returns. Of course, if BEltran is truly gonig to be back sooner than later, might as well not.
wannybackstra
3/15/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
I don’t know if F-Mart is the best option right now but there’s absolutely no defense for Pagan’s complete and utter lack of awareness and baseball intelligence.
He’s a buffoon and I would love to strike while the iron is hot and trade him once Beltran comes back, assuming his stats give him the appearance of being an attractive player for another team.
I can’t understand why Mets fans continue to defend the guy either. How many mental mistakes does he have to make before people realize that he’ll ultimately hurt the team more than he’ll help it?
ceetar
3/15/2010-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
he hasn’t made that many mental mistakes, but I do get your point. Except, he hits over .300, plays good defense, has a teensy bit of power. Is an amazing 4th OF really, dunno what to make of the mistakes. Can he fix them?
wannybackstra
3/15/2010-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
I’m not sure what you watched last season if you didn’t see multiple mental mistakes.
And while he has the physical skills to play good defense in CF, he plays just okay defense in CF. M4D’s example above is one reason why. If he knew where to throw the ball once in a while it would help too.
ceetar
3/15/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
some. not like he made three mistakes a game though. I do think it needs to improve, and he’s the best chip to trade on the team if Beltran’s on target to return and we can get something for him.
It’s hard to diagnose these mistakes. who should’ve taughth im, when should he have learned them? should Manuel be reinforcing stuff? Has he worked on it in the offseason and in the spring? Is it just a matter of reps? Does the Mets minor leagues just not teach this stuff?
stickguy
3/15/2010-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
certainly could be interesting if beltran comes back, Pagan is hitting, and GM jr. looks like a good enough 4th OF (but i still don’t buy into that past part!).
Pagan could bring back some value, but it also could leave them exposed a bit in the OF.
So, all depends on what the deal is.
ceetar
3/15/2010-10:45am at 10:45 am (UTC -4)
Definitely. But I dunno, you kinda have to assume the players you have are going to be healthy. You’re not going to win with backups, for all the talk of having good depth. If Beltran returns healthy, the OF won’t be guys that’ll take a lot of days off. You can get by with GMJ probably. If someone does get hurt? Fernando Martinez can step up as the depth guy.
So really, I’d want something for Pagan that’s going to improve the team more than a little used 4th OF.
njstuckintx
3/15/2010-10:39am at 10:39 am (UTC -4)
Let’s have Pagan start, hopefully jump off to a hot start at that and then flip him for Pitching or a better SS option than Cora. Pagan is nice to have, but his value may be best suited as a chip in a trade. I’d like to see Meche, personally, as Pagan would suit nicely for the Royals. Especially with Ankiel falling apart, it seems.
For those still hoping for something better than castillo, flip castillo, pagan +whatever for a better 2B option?
stickguy
3/15/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
this also helps clear up some pen questions. Not sad to see Green get squeezed (right there, that is a good sign for the season!), and I was wondering what happened to Fogg. Hopefully he can be kept at AAA, or maybe start on the DL, since he still could be useful.
K rod/calero/feliciano/parnell/Iggy seem to be locks.
other 2 from Misch/Figgy/Neive/??? (and the other guys I am missing).
Looks pretty good, and if a few of the wild cards are for real, could be a major strength.
prismo
3/15/2010-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
Sorry, it’s not Sean. Adam Rubin only used last names initially so I just assumed was Sean. Apparently we’re not out of the woods yet!
wannybackstra
3/15/2010-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
Is it Andy Green? That would make much more sense.
prismo
3/15/2010-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
Yes (the post is updated)
wannybackstra
3/15/2010-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
I’m not sure Parnell is a lock. At least, I hope not.
Takahashi seems to be earning a spot somewhere on the ML team.
And it seems they’re really serious about Mejia making the team, though I’m really opposed to the idea.
stickguy
3/15/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
I agree 100% with you about Mejia. Not a good idea.
I also was going under the assumption that it was Sean that went down (as originally reported), meaning there was less competition.
So, parnell might not be a lock, but he is still pretty likely.
I also agree about Taka forcing his way onto the team (so far, still early!).
My fuzzy crystal ball prediction (based on nothing but my own gut) is Taka as the #5, Neise getting back up to full speed in AAA (a more conservative approach with him) and Neive ending up in the pen.
making your current pen: K rod/feliciano/parnell/Iggy/Neive/Green/Misch. Squeezing out fan favorite Figgy.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
i think Calero is a lock out of the pen if he stays healthy and somewhat productive
trs86
3/15/2010-11:00am at 11:00 am (UTC -4)
Yup, so that could force Parnell down because Misch and Nieve are out of options.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
well we dont need a 5th starter for the first few weeks so its possible they place one of them on the DL or something and continue evaluating what they have during the first week or 2 of the season…
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
That might be true but I read somewhere in some column that they decided to go with a 5 man rotation from Opening Day.
stickguy
3/15/2010-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I knew I was missing someone. Plug Colero in there. Parnell then does look like odd man out, nless they get tired of green.
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Agree about Majia and Takahashi.
As far as Parnell, even though it’s a small sample size so far this spring, I’m seeing same thing we saw last year. Throws hard, not enough control, which leads to inconsistency.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-10:39am at 10:39 am (UTC -4)
F-Mart needs to be in AAA and stay healthy and productive. Now that he will have players around him that can actually play instead of guys like Robinson Cancel and Nick the Stick, he shouldn’t be a 1 man team on Buffalo again.
The way I see it the season plays out in 2 ways:
1) The Mets are in the pennant/wildcard race all year and guys like Martinez, Thole, Tejada, Davis are only September call ups.
2) The Mets have another losing season and Francouer, Pagan, Bajaras, Murphy, Jacobs maybe even Castillo are traded and replaced with prospects.
ceetar
3/15/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
either way September is worth watching.
probably the first option though.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
if everything goes according to plan our lineup next season should some lineup consisting of:
Reyes, F-Mart, Beltran, Wright, Bay, Davis, Tejada, Thole
njstuckintx
3/15/2010-11:02am at 11:02 am (UTC -4)
Exciting, isn’t it? Other than bench tinkering, the yearly bullpen updates, the only place you would think that Omar (should he still be here) can put his focus on will be starting pitching. Go Go Gadget Top Notch Free Agent Starting Pitching!
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
yes hopefully by then the verdict on Maine and Ollie (maybe Pelfrey too) will be out and we can finally end Operation Hope and Pray.
Im still hoping the Mets give Takahashi a chance to be a SP. Hopefully his ST results continue…
Santana, 1A, Pelfrey, Takahashi/Maine/Ollie/FA, Niese
trs86
3/15/2010-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
Ollie’s not going anywhere. If Maine does not rebound then he just will not be renewed. I still don’t see them signing a pitcher unless Niese really struggles.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
the Mets eventually need another top notch SP and if Ollie or Maine rebound and Pelfrey doesnt return to 08 form then they will be forced to get a SP…unless of course they are content with mediocre SP.
plus if Omar is GM you can guarantee at least 1 big name signing…and considering our lineup should be set and we have a closer, the rotation is the only logical place…
trs86
3/15/2010-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
Perhaps, but when you look at
Johan, Pelfrey, Perez and Niese that only leaves one spot. Do they want to tie up that spot long-term? We shall see.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
it would be impossible to sell not upgrading the rotation for 3 straight years unless Ollie and Pelf really step it up.
especially with deep FA SP class for 11, i mean i think its a lock that someone will be brought it either through FA or through a trade
trs86
3/15/2010-11:44am at 11:44 am (UTC -4)
You may be right. Like I said it really depends on how Pelfrey and Niese do.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:06am at 11:06 am (UTC -4)
Where’s Luis?
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
not on the team. I expect Tejada to play more 2B this year in AAA. With Reyes entrenched at SS it makes no sense for him to be playing SS in AAA.
Anderson Hernandez should be the starting SS in Buffalo once Reyes is back…
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
But he is signed till 2011, no? You expect him to get traded whatever the scenario is?
stickguy
3/15/2010-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
after this season, he has 1 at $6mill left, so certainly tradeable, or if he is falling apart, you cut him and eat your losses.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
True but unless he tanks offensively this year I don’t see them doing it.
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
I’m not sure Tejada projects to being ready, or good enough, to necessarily play there.
It’ll probably be
Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Martinez, Davis, Thole.
still formidable. And if Ike and Martinez really pan out like they look they could?
That’s hands down the b est lineup in the NL. maybe the majors.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
Easy there Ceetar.
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
easy? easy? how about this?
Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Martinez, Davis, Thole, Meija!
trs86
3/15/2010-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
I hope you are right on Fmart and Davis AND them being very productive in their first full years.
Jeurys Familia has me very excited and no one is talking that much about him. He could be on the fast track just like Mejia. 2012 they maybe could both be here.
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
SurfingTheMets Johan Santana, trying to bunt off Jeurys Familia, turned around after first pitch and said “Wow.”
Sounds like this guy is exciting, yes.
prismo
3/15/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
Well he *is* the “optimistic Mets fan”
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
I’ve thought about going completely overboard, and you know how Greg at Faith and Fear in Flushing does those flashback fridays?
I’ve mused about doing a “flashforward friday” post to the day they honor Wright and retire his number.
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:11am at 11:11 am (UTC -4)
I hate talking about 2011 lineups and projections, but I hate overanalyzing post-game interviews and nitpicking sentance structure of quotes even more.
Eddie Kunz to the minors.
njstuckintx
3/15/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
If we are having a losing season, I’d expect it’s due to MOP being the equivalent of a mushroom cloud, Murphy not panning out and Francouer reverting to ATL Frenchy. Of all the above, Pagan could be moved but I’m not sure what value any of the others would have on the market. Barajas won’t be moved. Not sure anyone would want him. But your overall premise I can see playing out. Mets doing well and the prospects get time to mature. Mets do bad, the wheels fall off the bus and the kids are rushed up.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-11:02am at 11:02 am (UTC -4)
well the success of the team rides solely on the rotation. Our lineup as a whole is still top 5 in the NL even if Beltran and Reyes are out for an extended period of time.
im sure if Bajaras is putting up numbers like .250 12-15 HR that there are going to be teams in the playoff race that could use a short-term catching upgrade. You wont get much in return but something similar like we did by getting Carter for Wagner.
you wouldnt get much of a return for any of them but something is better than nothing…
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
Shame you can’t trade draft picks. wouldn’t mind picking up a low round pick for a postseason push guy
but hopefully we’re picking up another arm or another bench bat for insurance for the first round against the Cards.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
If we have a salary cap you could see that happening. Until then that would be quite dangerous huh?
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
well yea, but I’m supportive of that as well.
Draft does need a lot of work though.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
SurfingTheMets
Johan Santana, trying to bunt off Jeurys Familia, turned around after first pitch and said “Wow.”
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
High praise, indeed.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:14am at 11:14 am (UTC -4)
Does anyone know what happens to Takahashi if he doesn’t make the 25-man roster? Does he get sent down to AAA or gets released?
I really like what I see from this guy. I think he can be a solid addition to the team. Question is who gets sent down and who gets cut, but I guess these are good problems to have.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:18am at 11:18 am (UTC -4)
I think he signed a minor league contract but if it came down to keep him or release him he had better be on the MLB team.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
I agree. I’d rather dump Misch than Takahashi. His control is very good though his velocity lacks a bit, but I think I saw 90-91 couple times.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
I don’t want to lose either and would dump Green or send Parnell to the minors to keep them. Either way I think Taka is safe as he has a minor league contract.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
Is Figgy out of option too?
trs86
3/15/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
Yeah but no one ever signs him when we release him anyway.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
Ouch….
trs86
3/15/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
No one on here doubts my lack of loyalty towards Figgy but it’s true. We have released him numerous times and he has even went out begging for a shot with some one else and then comes back. I like him in AAA but I would certainly not lose Misch or Nieve for him.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
I agree. Just don’t see Takahashi being sent down to AAA with the way he is pitching. So is it possible that the Mets start the season with 3 long man in the bullpen?
KRod
Calero
Feliciano
Iggy
Takahashi
Misch
Nieve
trs86
3/15/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
I think Taka is leading the race for #5.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
So you think Niese goes down to AAA?
trs86
3/15/2010-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
DND right now yeah I think he does. Nieve to the pen and Misch as the other LHP unless we bring one in.
stickguy
3/15/2010-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
in this case, yes
stickguy
3/15/2010-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
you had to ask then when TRS was in the house. Troublemaker.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
LOL. Figgy is 36 years old and been on 10 teams and 40 different minor league teams. Of course he is out of options.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
Oh… duh…
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
im hoping that Takahashi forces the Mets to make him the 5th SP although Im not sure Jerry envisions him as a SP which would be a shame. If he could be our version of Hiroki Kuroda we might have ourselves a steal…
stickguy
3/15/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
jerry is a dolt. he shouldn’t be allowed to decide anything.
At least the rotation can be pretty much dictated by the FO when they put the roster together. And I don’t think Jerry has the stones to thumb his nose at Omar and say start neive while sticking Taka in the pen (when the FO wants it the other way around).
wannybackstra
3/15/2010-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
He has a minor league contract; so to AAA he goes.
stickguy
3/15/2010-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
hopefully it is Neise taking his ML option to buffalo. He has seemed strong so far, but at the beginning of ST the FO seemed pretty sure that they wanted to take it slow with him.
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
With the exception of Johan, why is it the that majority of our minor league and minor league contract guys are pitching better and with more consistency than those who are expected to be in our starting rotation?
Just a little scary….
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
pitching for a job, or to prove something to the ‘experts’.
it’s more important for our real starters to work on things, pitches, situations.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
I agree. But it is a little scary too.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. A guy who is a lock BUT who did not have a very good season is most likely working on things the pitching coach has identified. A scrub they are giving every chance to do well.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
it always works out that way. the guys that are locks aren’t trying to necessarily win games they just go through the motions.
for example Figueroa always dominates in ST games…ST results are only a factor in determining the spots up for grabs like 5th SP, last spots on bench and last few guys out of the pen…
trs86
3/15/2010-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
And he has already pitched 1,000 innings coming in. Guy loves to pitch I guess he has that going for him.
stickguy
3/15/2010-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
also, every year plenty of guys come out of nowhere (relatively speaking) and earn spots in the rotation, and do quite well at it. Sometimes they never leave.
Look at the Phils last year. Happ was ~26yo MiL guy, never considered a top prospect IIRC. came up on an emergency/BP filler role. Ends up in the rotation, has a big year, and finishes near the top of the ROY voting.
I guarantee no one predicted that during the pre season!
So it is entirely possible that 1-2 of MOP could hit the skids (or the DL), and the replacement (Neive, neise, Takagoomey, heck even Mejia) could step in and have just as good, if not better, a year.
also, IMO at least, the rotation isn’t expected to carry the team (not like the good old met days). Rather, just pitch solidly, and let the offense do the work (and don’t put them into too big a hole) and don’t kill the pen.
That is a lot easier bar to clear for a replacement guy then being expected to carry a team with no offense (like SF last year say).
ceetar
3/15/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, although if I ever edit and post it, I’ve got a post about how MOP needs to ‘carry’ the team a little in April. Win a game here and there on their pitching merits.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4994845
This is just stupid. Why in the world would Cards let Pujols go even for Ryan Howard. This is 13 yr old fantasy baseball trade talks.
trs86
3/15/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
That does not even deserve our time. LOL what a terrible suggestion.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
shows you the credibility of these reporters.
njstuckintx
3/15/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
Slow news day…
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
I saw that over the weekend. And I just laughed….
GravediggerHebner
3/15/2010-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
So after these cuts who’s still around then?
From the minors
Jenrry Mejia
Carlos Muniz
Francisco Pena
Ike Davis
Ruben Tejada
From elsewhere
Jolbert Cabrera
Frank Catalanotto
Mike Jacobs
Hisanori Takahashi
Jason Pridie
Shawn Riggans
Who am I missing (aside from locks)?
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:49am at 11:49 am (UTC -4)
Carter?
trs86
3/15/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
Figgy!!!!
GravediggerHebner
3/15/2010-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
Yes on Carter and yes technically Figgy, AHern, Misch & Nieve.
Calero (lock)
Dessens
Adams
trs86
3/15/2010-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
Calero is a lock if healthy. He could start the season in extended ST if he is not ready.
oleosmirf
3/15/2010-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
yes i can definitely see that with someone like Nieve, Figgy or Misch getting an extra look in the first week or so before being waived
stickguy
3/15/2010-1:27pm at 1:27 pm (UTC -4)
better chance to get them through waivers after all the other teams are set too.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
Niese, Nieve and Misch?
trs86
3/15/2010-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
Adams
GravediggerHebner
3/15/2010-11:58am at 11:58 am (UTC -4)
OK so then the remaining options for the pitching staff are:
Figgy
Nieve
Misch
Calero
Takahashi
Mejia
Muniz
(assuming Niese as 5th)
and for the offense:
Davis
Tejada
Catalanotto
Jacobs
Pridie
Carter
trs86
3/15/2010-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
Adams
AHern
trs86
3/15/2010-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
Santos?
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
Coste the Philly?
GravediggerHebner
3/15/2010-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
On Santos and AHern, I hope not.
Adams sure throw him in the Reyes-free mix.
ceetar
3/15/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
My brain’s fogged on wondering how much I screwed the beer i brewed yesterday, but, do we know which day Reyes is getting tested this week?
GravediggerHebner
3/15/2010-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
No idea. I’m following the Reyes situation this way: when I read/hear he’s back to baseball activities I’ll perk up.
Now back to my flooded basement.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
That sucks. I lost power since Saturday night. I don’t know if it’ll be up before tomorrow.
ceetar
3/15/2010-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
took me 90 minutes to go the 12 miles to work today. silly rivers.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
We’ve been hit with some harsh weather this winter… Baseball season please come…..!!
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
Well, that sux. I lost power for 3 hours on Sat. but came back up before dark.
I heard some would be without power until mid/late week.
Yikes!
fongy2
3/15/2010-1:15pm at 1:15 pm (UTC -4)
No power here in Southcentral PA
from about 2am to 11am Saturday…
lots of rain BUT thank god I’m a
mile or so from the river!
Sorry about your troubles folks.
metsfan4decades
3/15/2010-1:03pm at 1:03 pm (UTC -4)
Ah…I’m in good company. Have one of those myself right now. Can’t keep up with the water flooding it.
It can just stop raining anytime now….
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
Hey Ollie threw a no hitter!
ceetar
3/15/2010-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
Castillo is leading off. Luck of the draw or does Manuel(someone else) finally realize that this is the best thing, especially with Reyes likely out?
trs86
3/15/2010-12:28pm at 12:28 pm (UTC -4)
Scary thought but most likely seeing if they can bat Tejada 2nd.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
Pagan has been struggling at the plate a little. Perhaps that could be the reason?
stickguy
3/15/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
that is scary.
But, I don’t see why they wouldn’t consider Castillo at least as good an option to lead of as pagan. Not like pagan is the disruptive force that Reyes is, or really traditionally a lead off guy.
Let it go castillo/pagan (and for sure if GMjr is playing, he won’t lead off. I hope). If Castillo is looking good up there, much easier to just slid Reyes into the 2 hole when he comes back.
fongy2
3/15/2010-12:38pm at 12:38 pm (UTC -4)
Off topic,since this one bores me to tears:
Saw the segment on the MLB network Friday and read in yesterday’s NY Post about the commitee looking into Division
changes and adding yet another playoff round/2 WCs.
Now these owners and commishes have done almost everything they
can to ruin this game over the past 40 yrs BUT please…..
Someone stop these greedy knuckleheaded nit-wits!!!
The few problems with this great game have nothing to do with
there not being enough WC teams OR the fact that the Yanks and Red Sox play in the same Division….Nothing!….Stop it already!
trs86
3/15/2010-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
Only way I could see that working is if you go back to just 2 divisions. I would not mind that at all. East and West, two champions vs 2 WC winners.
trs86
3/15/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
Now that I think about it. I like that idea a lot. Might not be what they are talking about but it could relieve a lot of issues. Let say Yankees, Redsox and TB are all in the east. They could all make the playoffs if the two losers had better records than other teams. That actually makes sense.
Hmmmm
Besides that in both leagues who gives a damn about the Central?
trs86
3/15/2010-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
Mets, Phillies, Braves, Marlins, Nats, Pirates, Reds, Brewers (even though according to MC they are closer to Seattle than NY)
Dodgers, Rockies, Padres, Giants, Dbacks, Astros, Cards, Cubs
njstuckintx
3/15/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
I was figuring this out and what you wrote works well. can’t split up the cubs and cards. Milwaukee is the odd man out east/west wise.
American League:
East: NY, BOS, TB, O-birds, BJs, Tigers and Cleve.
West: Seattle, Oak, Tex, Angels, CHI, KC, Minny.
And to argue MC, NY is only 1 time zone difference for Milwaukee vs. Seattle’s 2!
stickguy
3/15/2010-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
cubs, white sox and cardinals fans. That’s about it.
stickguy
3/15/2010-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
I had the idea last week to just scrap divisions entirely. Just have AL and NL.
Just take the top 4 teams on each side, and you are good to go.
eliminates the weak sister divisions sending a team every year, but at least you don’t have top teams getting squeezed out just because of the division they play in (as you would if the 3 best teams were all in the same division).
trs86
3/15/2010-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
True but I still like having some divisions as it creates rivalries. I am starting to really like the idea of 2 divisions though. It only makes sense to have 2 real winners and 2 WC that way it’s actually fair who gets the WC.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
West division is way too weak compared to the East
fongy2
3/15/2010-1:10pm at 1:10 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah…NOW…But what about
yrs its not?
trs86
3/15/2010-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
Not a big deal. With my plan only one team would have to come out of the week west while 3 teams COULD come out of the east.
fongy2
3/15/2010-12:49pm at 12:49 pm (UTC -4)
Wouldnt matter as much if everyone played the same number of gms against all in their
own league.
fongy2
3/15/2010-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
No prob w/that BUT thats not apparently what they’re talkin”bout.
“Floating Divisions”??!!??….Are they kiddin’?
One more WC in each league??…A Best of three
to elimiate one of those WCs??…For What????
The thing thats makes the most sense….They won’t
do…Play the same number of games against everyone in your league AND scrap the inter-league
…Or…at least play a diff division each yr.
And most of all….Stop with this Allstar gm is
for home field in the WS junk!
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-12:55pm at 12:55 pm (UTC -4)
I agree with the stupid AS game crap. AND Bud Selig gets paid the most amongst 4 commissioners.
fongy2
3/15/2010-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
It really is absurd.
This guy has been scamming since
the day he got involved with the
Seattle Pilots over 40 yrs ago!
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/15/2010-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
I think the division change is to try to accommodate the BJays, DRays and Os that can’t get into the playoffs because of the Yanks and Sox, which makes sense. But, I would hate to have the Mets go against the Yanks, Sox, and Phillies for the division title.
But I agree with you adding 2nd WC. I would hate to see the baseball playoffs turn into NHL or NBA playoffs.