The topic of late is what to do with Jennry Mejia. Wanting to see how some of the New York Print Media feels here are a few quotes for you enjoyment.
Kevin Kernan – NY Post
“Mejia should be at Citi Field come April 5.
If he’s not, the Mets are wasting a golden arm and opportunity.”
Ken Davidoff – Newsday
“–Jim Baumbach spoke with Fernando Martinez’s Dominican League general manager, Moises Alou. Meanwhile, within this second story is news that Jenrry Mejia pitched well again. And in both cases, the Mets should think big picture and start their two youngsters in the minor leagues.”
Joel Sherman – NY Post
“Perhaps Mejia really is another Doc Gooden, capable of defying a normal apprenticeship. But are 15 or so spring innings — as enchanting as they may be — really enough to make the Mets jettison development plans for a pitcher whose next Triple-A pitch would be his first. Is there a good reason — beyond desperation — why Mejia should not go to the minors to validate that this spring is no illusion and to work further on secondary pitches and command.”
Ken Rosenthal – Fox Sports
“This isn’t so complicated: The Mets, rather than transition Mejia into a new role in the majors, should send him to Triple A, allow him to build a foundation, then summon him as early as May or June.”
Bill Price – NY Daily News
“While I love this Mejia kid, I would actually love to see him start the season in Buffalo AS A STARTER, and hopefully bring him up mid-season if, I mean when, we need a starter. But he looks destined to be our eighth-inning guy.”
126 comments
stickguy
3/18/2010-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
hey, a new thread to make the same posts in!
Is rosenthal actually suggesting that they send Mejia to the minors in order to convert him to a short reliever down there? That’s like taking the worst of both worlds and making it even dopier.
ceetar
3/18/2010-11:14am at 11:14 am (UTC -4)
yup.
Kernan puts the least thought into his response. No surprise there.
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
I agree with Davidoff and Sherman especially.
stickguy
3/18/2010-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
that is something you normally do NOT want to admit to!
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
well in this case that is!
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-11:13am at 11:13 am (UTC -4)
personally as much as I hate to admit it, I do not believe we are going to be in the postseason b/c I believe our rotation is too weak.
Now if I am wrong and we are in the playoff race, then call up Mejia and let him finish the season in the pen but not before he gets his 20 or so starts in the minors…
GravediggerHebner
3/18/2010-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
This.
stickguy
3/18/2010-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
rotation is a crap shoot. Heck, damn near every teams rotation is a crapshoot. And even the ones that aren’t, most guys are 1 pitch away from a trip to Dr. Andrews anyway.
Point is, you need lots of SP normally, and the rotation you start with is often vastly different then the one you finish with.
So, instead of Mejia in the pen, just send him to the minors for “finishing” school as a SP, and call him up for the rotation if/when the need arises.
ceetar
3/18/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Indeed. I think our rotation is pretty good, but if Meija is really a star, he’ll find his way onto the team with virtually no debate, when the time comes.
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
rotations are not a crap shoot when talking about playoff teams. look at the playoff teams Dodgers, Cardinals, Phillies, Rockies. Look at their rotations from 2009 and compare them to ours from 2009.
now if you believe that 2009 was a 100% fluke at that MOP will have their best years as a Met then we will be in the playoffs but given Ollie and Maine consistency problems, then I envy your optimism but I just cant see the two of them pitch like they did in 07 after 2 not so great years from Maine and Ollie’s horrendous pitching since August of 08…
trs86
3/18/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Look at the Phillies rotation to start 2009 compared to their playoff rotation.
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
1) do you feel Omar would bring in a SP of Lee’s caliber
2) do we have a young pitcher that can step in and put up an ERA under 3.50 like Happ
3) is our lineup as strong as the Phillies (especially without Reyes and Beltran for a month+)
trs86
3/18/2010-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
Maybe, Maybe, most likely not for the first month but very good and possibly excellent when they return.
stickguy
3/18/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
Maines problems started when his bone spur flared up. Everything since then has been about the shoulder. he was pitching very well up to that point, and looking ready to take the next big step up into being a stud.
Ollie, I have no idea about September 2008. Bad month? One of those things? It happens. But 2009 was lost due to injury (the knee), even though I know some people still think that was a phantom excuse (hey, how do you operate on a phantom injury?), compounded by getting out of whack with the WBC.
Ollie seems fine, so I see no reason not to expect him to go back to 2007/2008 form, if not better after his stint in AZ, and after seeing his much improved mechanics.
Maine, the question mark is his shoulder. If he is really fixed, and it is sound, and right now he is just building up strength and getting back into pitching shape, then I am cautiously optimistic. Let’s say, I think he will do well if the shoulder doesn’t implode, but it is 50/50 that it does.
And if it does, then you replace him with a spare. Neise or Mejia from the minors, Neive from the pen, someone via trade. That’s why you have depth.
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
well see I dont believe Ollie and Maine’s problems are just injury related only a part of it.
trs86
3/18/2010-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
Right, Perez had 2 fluke years and then returned to normal and Maine’s ERA’s for 4 years are a fluke. Whatever helps your cause.
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
why is that Perez being bad is just a fluke and not the other way around??
Perez was very bad in 03, 05, 06 and 09…outstanding in 04, very good in 07 and good in 08
Maine im more worried about being able to pitch deep into games and for a full season…He only did that once in his career…
trs86
3/18/2010-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
Why in your case is it the other way around? LOL. Perhaps because your cup has a hole in it? Look at Perez’s time with the Mets. Decent in 2006, great in 2007, good in 2008, injured and or bad in 2009.
stickguy
3/18/2010-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
Oh yeah, forgot my other point.
Sure, playoff team rotations usually look better than a 70 win team. Otherwise they wouldn’t have made the playoffs.
And I don’t have access to full rosters 9so doing this from my head), but going into the season with guys like Wolf and Ponson in your rotation sure the hell was shooting craps! It is just that sometimes, you hit your point. And sometimes you roll snake eyes.
trs86
3/18/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
Also if you get to count Ollie’s worst month in 2008 can I count his best? The one with an ERA of 1.38? Or how about we use the 2nd half of that year which actually has a larger sample? That would be a 3.97 ERA. Or perhaps his overall ERA that year of 4.22?
Nah lets use the last month because it helps our cause.
Or perhaps I can throw out the starts last year at the beginning of the year and then use just his best month during a injury year as what we should expect.
Or perhaps I could be rational and use the entire scope of his career with the Mets which has produced an ERA from the high 3′s to low 4′s with a lot of K’s and a lot of Walks? NAH>>>
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-12:12pm at 12:12 pm (UTC -4)
I never threw out his season. I acknowledged that it was only a bad month…you on the other hand ignore bad seasons to prove your point
trs86
3/18/2010-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
You have said before that 2008 was not a good season for him and refuse to look at the 3 year period with the Mets nor do you allow for the most likely scenario that he actually was injured.
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
Oleo don’t you recall how good Ollie pitched from late June till the end of the season in 2008?
trs86
3/18/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
Nah he is just focused on September because it helps his point. The guy had 2 really bad starts from June 7th on that happened to be in September.
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
I am well aware that Ollie pitched well before September thanks.
but why was it that when the season was on line he couldnt throw strikes…
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
OK so are you suggesting had he pitched well in September but terrible the rest of the year you would have a completely different view of the matter?
oleosmirf
3/18/2010-1:29pm at 1:29 pm (UTC -4)
yes
trs86
3/18/2010-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
Well at least you are honest. LOL.
trs86
3/18/2010-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
Same reason that Jose Reyes has had terrible Septembers?
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
I was surprised more of the print media hadn’t taken a stance on what to do with Mejia. I was hoping for way more writers like Adam Rubin, Mike Vaccaro, Jon Heyman, and Tom Verducci but I didn’t find articles where they had a opinion one way or the other.
GravediggerHebner
3/18/2010-11:40am at 11:40 am (UTC -4)
Heyman is busy uncovering last year’s manager drug test results.
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
stickguy
3/18/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
hey, that was important stuff. Much more important than player issues.
Surprised they didn’t fire him already. Washington, not Heyman, though that isn’t a bad idea either.
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
I really can’t see any merit to limiting Mejia’s development by preventing him from having the chance to work on all his pitches and to simply gain the experience that comes with logging innings, encountering situations and learning as he goes.
Throwing fastballs and changeups only for 70 innings this year is short sighted, even if it helps the team this year.
Let’s at least wait for Igarashi or whomever else to fail before we take such a chance.
trs86
3/18/2010-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
I agree. But as I have said today if he makes the team then it will be because they have seen something in camp (things we can’t see) that convinced them he was ready.
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
Let’s just hope that is the case.
I have to wonder had say one of the Mets original considerations for the 8th inning setup up role been pitching well would we be having this discussion today?
I hope whatever they decide is with an eye toward Mejia’s best interests in his future role with the Mets and not acting on the idea that they simply may have made a mistake in their prior choices for a 8th inning guy and Mejia fixes that.
trs86
3/18/2010-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
Actually based on my opinion yes it would still be going on because in my opinion it’s just hype building.
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
It’s definitely a plausible scenario.
ceetar
3/18/2010-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
Well, two ways to look at that.
a, I doubt they were ever settled on Escobar anyway, given his health issues.
b, do they really plan on a set 8th inning guy anyway?
c, if they do, will Manuel actually go to him consistantly, or get match-up happy and use 4 pitchers in the 8th?
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed Ceetar, Scary when you think how Jerry may handle Mejia if he makes the club.
ceetar
3/18/2010-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
I try not to think about Manuel as much as possible. tempers my excitement.
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-12:14pm at 12:14 pm (UTC -4)
I’m not sure what you mean, TRS. They may see that he is ready to pitch in relief, i.e. he has two good pitches.
But to me that’s not what ready means for his future, i.e. command of multiple pitches. Rod Barajas has even said he is not there yet.
There’s no way that pitching relief this year does not set his development back regarding his long-term potential.
If this team looks like it will contend and no one else pitches well, I’d consider it. But right now there’s a lot of decent arms in the pen and this team does not look like a contender.
stickguy
3/18/2010-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
In this case, we are incomplete agreement.
I also put way more stock into what Barajas says than anything that comes out of Jerry’s mouth.
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
Which parts of our agreement are not complete?
Indeed your comment on Barajas should be the quote of the week. I’ll take the veteran catcher’s critique over the lame duck nutjob manager any day.
By the way, I like that Barajas has the stones to be honest about such a thing.
stickguy
3/18/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
I am really warming up to hot Rod. If he isn’t a complete disaster with the bat, it could turn out to be an excellent pickup.
Can also see a 2nd year of him next year helping to break in Thole, if the team goes that way.
trs86
3/18/2010-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
I would agree with that as well. Luckily however Jerry does not make those decisions by himself.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
Couldn’t agree more, except I’m reserving judgment on looking like a contender depending on Jose and Beltran’s return and what MOP look like first half.
tkfj
3/18/2010-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
Joba Chamberlain.
This would be a desperate move made by the Mets, which by all indications is being driven by good ol’ Gangster Jerry. If he thinks possibly damaging a phenoms growth and development by placing him in the BP on the team who has a “chance” to make the playoffs, then he is hurting his standing in the organization not helping it. Mejia needs to be developed in the minors so he can have the oppurtunity to be a high impact pitcher, a SP not a setup reliever.
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
The good thing is that everyone (Fans and Media alike) agrees Mejia has the goods to be a very good MLB Pitcher.
Why the Mets decide to bring him up if they do will not matter only the results. If he continues to be dominant the Mets will look like Geniuses if he struggles the Mets will be viewed as having rushed the kid up to soon.
stickguy
3/18/2010-12:24pm at 12:24 pm (UTC -4)
I honestly can’t see how Jerry has any standing left with the team at all. Can they possibly listen to anything he spews?
I think he is only around because they have to pay him anyway, and Omar didn’t want to push it because it would put too much focus on him.
Maybe it is the old concept of keeping a scape goat or fall guy around in case you need one?
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
I saw a snipit of an interview with Jerry where they asked him about his wanting Mejia in the BP now, maybe b/c he’s going to be under the microscope going into the season.
Of course Jerry said absolutely not. Said something to the effect of it’s the nature of his job to be high turnover – for the most part – and of course joked with the media saying something like they’ll probably be here writing about some of these prospects breaking in and doing well, long after he’s gone….
So….either he’s lying or even scarier – his baseball ‘expertise’ is telling him Mejia belongs in the BP to start this year??
CaseStreet
3/18/2010-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
Start Niese now.
Send M&M (Martinez and Mejia) to Buffalo.
Come September, call up M&M and the Jonas Brothers (Ike, Josh and Brad).
I’m excited!
stickguy
3/18/2010-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
Holt really has plummeted off the radar screen, hasn’t he?
A year ago, he was the hot ticket, and “can’t trade him” prospect. Now, it seems like most people forgot he was even with the team (until he got hit with a liner the other day on his first pitch!)
proving again how fickle prospectitude really is.
trs86
3/18/2010-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
Very true.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/18/2010-2:03pm at 2:03 pm (UTC -4)
So…… we should trade Mejia for AGonz NOW!!!!
trs86
3/18/2010-2:05pm at 2:05 pm (UTC -4)
Obviously if it was straight up we should pool our money and rent a jet to get him.
stickguy
3/18/2010-2:08pm at 2:08 pm (UTC -4)
I can pay for the peanuts, if he only eats 1 bag. Maybe a diet coke too.
trs86
3/18/2010-2:10pm at 2:10 pm (UTC -4)
Shoot I will hijack Jimmy Carter if he wants peanuts.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/18/2010-2:10pm at 2:10 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll drive him to SD.
CaseStreet
3/18/2010-2:25pm at 2:25 pm (UTC -4)
yeah, ideally Holt is ready to replace Maine when he becomes a FA.
trs86
3/18/2010-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Thing is Holt SHOULD be ready before Mejia right?
CaseStreet
3/18/2010-2:44pm at 2:44 pm (UTC -4)
Both struggled after getting promoted to AA. I just figured with the Mejia is the next … theory, he’d be pushing his way on to the rotation before Holt. Thus, Holt in 2012 and Mejia in 2011.
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
Holt was set back a bit in AA by a couple of injuries.
Of the two, it seems that Holt is the one more likely ticketed for a career in the bullpen because of his limited repertoire.
CaseStreet
3/18/2010-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
I thought both have plus FB, while Holt had a plus curve and Mejia had a plus changeup that produced more groundouts.
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-3:24pm at 3:24 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve never heard of Holt throwing a curve of any kind. Last season he was trying to learn a slider but was still throwing almost solely fastballs.
CaseStreet
3/18/2010-3:47pm at 3:47 pm (UTC -4)
metions of Holt’s curve:
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/06/mets-prospect-brad-holt-is-rocketing-through-the-minors.html
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20090617/articles/906179914?p=2&tc=pg
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-3:55pm at 3:55 pm (UTC -4)
I saw Toby Hyde reference it too.
Most other sites have called it a slider.
My guess is there’s confusion as to which it is — and probably because he throws it hard.
One scouting report on Toby Hyde’s blog said that during one start last year Holt threw 67 fastballs, 14 curve balls and 19 change ups.
CaseStreet
3/18/2010-4:42pm at 4:42 pm (UTC -4)
forgot where I read it, but an article quoted Mejia basically saying he throws FB, then his CRV, and if they start hitting both, he’ll throw in the CH.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/18/2010-2:10pm at 2:10 pm (UTC -4)
Off Topic, but FMart looks really good and I’m impressed by him after the disappointing ’09 season. So it looks like he’ll be headed to AAA regardless.
Let’s say FMart dominates AAA meanwhile Frenchy also is back to his 30HR 95+RBI form for this season. What do we do? I know it’s a happy thought, but what do we do?
Looking at both sides of the coin,
Trading Frenchy makes sense, because he might come back down to earth in ’11 season. But he does have good presence in the clubhouse as well as good defense.
Trading FMart also makes sense, because even after the great ’10 season, he is still an unproven commodity in the majors. And how is his defense compared to Frenchy? Sure he’s younger and cheaper, but if you can get a premiere SP for him, wouldn’t you do it? I would.
So.. what do you guys think?
trs86
3/18/2010-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, has Frenchy ever had a 30 95 season?
Right now who knows? Depends on how others perform too. What if Murphy really grows and Davis is ready? Then you may see Davis pushing for RF. How healthy is Beltran when he returns?
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/18/2010-2:18pm at 2:18 pm (UTC -4)
Ok.. Frenchy never had 30HR season, but you got my point.
Boy that would be great problem to have if you have to decide between all those guys. And what if MOP pitch their career years and Mejia has 1.47ERA with 230Ks in AAA….
stickguy
3/18/2010-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
this is what is known as a good problem to have. A veritable embarrasment of riches.
And I am erally, really scared that Omar and Jeffy will be the ones making the decision on what to do!
trs86
3/18/2010-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
Stick, like it or not but if all that happens then they SHOULD be making the decisions because they have done something right.
DNDJohan aka kistics
3/18/2010-2:20pm at 2:20 pm (UTC -4)
Well.. at least Jerry won’t be making decisions….
trs86
3/18/2010-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
True.
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
I’d be happy to make the decisions.
gategem
3/18/2010-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
The comparison of Mejia to Gooden is slightly off-base (I realize there are some similarities). I saw Doc pitch in an International League Playoff game when he was 18 (he actually pitched for Lynchburg class A for that season but was promoted for the AAA playoffs) and it was obvious that he was better than anything the Mets had on the major league level. Gooden not only had that 98 – 100 mph fastball but he had one of the best curveballs I have ever seen (second only to Koufax and it was nicknamed “Lord Charles†by Mets’ announcer Tim McCarver) and he had command. Mejia has that cut fastball which makes him perfect for a closer’s role. However, in my opinion if they plan on Mejia being a starter they should send him down to the minors and allow him to work on his secondary pitches and build up his arm strength. But what the hell do I know.
trs86
3/18/2010-3:08pm at 3:08 pm (UTC -4)
Gooden also had 1 full season in the minors that was dominant.
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
What could be more annoying than listening to Mike Francessa giving live commentary of basketball games he is watching on TV.
I’m so annoyed I can’t even change the channel.
trs86
3/18/2010-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
SurfingTheMets
Jerry says he would not use Jenrry Mejia in 8th initially if he makes team. … Similarly, Ruben Tejada would be eased into shortstop.
CaseStreet
3/18/2010-3:51pm at 3:51 pm (UTC -4)
lol
Have the prospects ride the bench. Superb idea.
What’s the point of having Mejia in the pen if he’s not going to SU?
Can’t one of the 20 other relievers throw the 6th or 7th?
trs86
3/18/2010-3:52pm at 3:52 pm (UTC -4)
Yup, thus I don’t see him on the team.
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-3:57pm at 3:57 pm (UTC -4)
What would be the point of easing Tejada into the position if Reyes is expected back relatively quickly?
Jerry is a damned fool and really needs to stop speaking publicly.
ceetar
3/18/2010-4:04pm at 4:04 pm (UTC -4)
Well, if Reyes isn’t cleared to rehab by opening day, ‘relatively quickly’ may be a month.
ceetar
3/18/2010-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
help!
lenno212 Manuel said if #Mets take Jacobs, he’ll have to play to stay sharp at plate. So Murphy’s time already being trimmed before season begins.
wannybackstra
3/18/2010-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
Oy.
I really don’t see how Jacobs is a better fit on the bench than Catalonotto.
trs86
3/18/2010-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
At this point Carter should be on the bench.
Mr North Jersey
3/18/2010-6:25pm at 6:25 pm (UTC -4)
Did someone say Carter???
trs86
3/18/2010-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
Jerry just likes to stir stuff up and most likely does not think anything about the 1,000′s analyzing his every word.
ceetar
3/18/2010-4:03pm at 4:03 pm (UTC -4)
this is consistant with his general philosophy and actions though.
Also: Meija won’t be the 8th inning guy if he makes the team, and Tejada eased into SS if he makes it.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-5:58pm at 5:58 pm (UTC -4)
Wanny asked earlier:
‘What could be more annoying than listening to Mike Francessa giving live commentary of basketball games he is watching on TV.’
I’ve got the answer to that. Watching the guys on Wheelhouse propose a trade between the Mets and the Yanks: Johan for Joba and Hughes. And listening to them make a case for this, justifying it by saying ‘with all due respect for Johan, he’s not what he once was’.
Say what???
First of all, we’ve already got our resident head case in Ollie P, thanks much. We don’t need, nor want Joba. Second, on what planet is Joba and Hughes equal talent for Johan?
trs86
3/18/2010-6:10pm at 6:10 pm (UTC -4)
The one where Tex is carrying their bags on the way in.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-6:27pm at 6:27 pm (UTC -4)
LOL – good one.
gategem
3/18/2010-7:10pm at 7:10 pm (UTC -4)
That’s the proposed trade with the Twins that the Yankees turned down.
The Mets are a contender and contending teams do not trade their ace pitcher (and one of the best in baseball) for two prospects no matter how talented they may be. Extreme talent does not always translate into extreme success on the field.
It appears that the idiots on loudmouth do not view the Mets as a contender and I am perplexed as to why the Mets would allow them to be on SNY. Do you think the Yankees would allow someone that’s not a shill for them to be on YES?
Hazmet
3/18/2010-7:23pm at 7:23 pm (UTC -4)
Agree 100% with your comment on SNY and content. The trade was proposed on Wheelhouse. I missed the comment on Loudmouths but what I caught was that they made an assessment on LM that with Beltran and Reyes healthy the Mets are better than the Red Sox. Which to me would = contender.
They seem to forget what their position is from minute to minute across both shows. Before you know it they might say the Met’s farm system might be viewed as talent rich. Alright, maybe not talent rich but certainly not barren.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-8:22pm at 8:22 pm (UTC -4)
Think we need to put the kids in the line up to get a couple of hits here tonight….
Ollie….looks a bit wild, ala Ollie style. Surprised he’s only given up 2 runs through 4 innings….
trs86
3/18/2010-8:25pm at 8:25 pm (UTC -4)
Actually I am impressed with Ollie’s results. 4 innings, 1 walk 2 runs. The 6 hits are big but they were 5 singles and a double. Also after having a rough 3rd he comes back for 1, 2, 3 in the 4th. I don’t think it was the old Ollie.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-8:31pm at 8:31 pm (UTC -4)
Well, if he only gives up 2 runs a game, I’ll take that. But this was only 4 innings…although you’re right, that 4th inning was a 1-2-3 inning for him.
trs86
3/18/2010-8:35pm at 8:35 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, it’s just that some of those hits I am not sure about. One was to David Wright, most seemed to be ground ball singles. Not like Perez anyway. Most encouraged by 1 walk.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-8:44pm at 8:44 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, at least he didn’t walk a half dozen through those 4 innings. That is an improvement. Although I see one wild pitch by Ollie.
What I like so far this year is when he does put a couple of guys on, he doesn’t give up and limits the damage, or even gets out of jams sometimes.
trs86
3/18/2010-8:46pm at 8:46 pm (UTC -4)
I know you are a little down on him but I expect a big rebound year from Ollie.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-8:57pm at 8:57 pm (UTC -4)
No, not me. You know I was probably one of two who wanted Ollie resigned – LOL. I’d like nothing better than to see him have a rebound year. Until he really stinks up the place and makes me throw my hands in the air, I’m rooting for him.
Or more likely looking for any small improvement.
Good Ollie/Bad Ollie won 15 games for us in ’07. I’ll take that again….
Hazmet
3/18/2010-8:56pm at 8:56 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t worry it’s still ST, he’s still got time to work on his walks. =p
j/k.
Encouraging night.
ceetar
3/18/2010-8:36pm at 8:36 pm (UTC -4)
Sounds like, just maybe, Ollie is learning how to make adjustments in-game.
trs86
3/18/2010-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
I would have like to see what happen in inning 5.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-8:46pm at 8:46 pm (UTC -4)
Exactly what I was trying to say above – only you said it better…
trs86
3/18/2010-8:28pm at 8:28 pm (UTC -4)
Double by Bay, HR by Frenchy. 2-2.
trs86
3/18/2010-8:28pm at 8:28 pm (UTC -4)
Toyota in to relieve Perez.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-8:33pm at 8:33 pm (UTC -4)
Got to Nolasco, finally.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-8:49pm at 8:49 pm (UTC -4)
KRod pitching the bottom of the 6th? Strange….
trs86
3/18/2010-8:50pm at 8:50 pm (UTC -4)
I guess they wanted to make sure and get him his innings or perhaps courtesy with a night game?
Hazmet
3/18/2010-9:04pm at 9:04 pm (UTC -4)
Hopefully not an early night and then out for some late night Dominican food.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-9:01pm at 9:01 pm (UTC -4)
How do you single on a ground ball to Cora? Deep in the hole? Runner beat the throw?
Wish I could see this game or hear it being called.
Vintage KRod. Put a couple of guys on, get the three outs with no one scoring….
trs86
3/18/2010-9:03pm at 9:03 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, 2 hits went to David Wright tonight. Gameday has known to be a little goofy.
trs86
3/18/2010-9:12pm at 9:12 pm (UTC -4)
Calling Doctor BombBay, Calling Doctor BombBay.
2 run HR By BombBay.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-9:20pm at 9:20 pm (UTC -4)
LOL – Glad to see what will be our regulars getting some timely hits and HRs….
Hazmet
3/18/2010-9:24pm at 9:24 pm (UTC -4)
Oohh i like that. Very wity.
Hazmet
3/18/2010-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
Knowing the knowledge base on this site I’m thinking most of you already know this location:
I just discovered the press pass feature on MLB.com’s boxscore’s. What a wonderful synopsis of information. Two interesting thing’s, I thought, Met’s pitching is 3rd best in ST strikeouts with 106 through yesterday and it gives the projected pitchers for the spring training games for the next few days. Nieve’s next start is against the University of Michigan. Hopefully won’t get embarassed by the college kids. Those games are alway’s strange to me.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-9:27pm at 9:27 pm (UTC -4)
Actually, I don’t know about that press pass feature. I can’t seem to find it.
I’m not paying for MLB package, just watching the ST for free. Is that feature something only if you’re a paying customer?
Hazmet
3/18/2010-9:33pm at 9:33 pm (UTC -4)
It’s not a pay feature,if you click on the scores pulldown where it then shows a synopsis of all the box scores, for each box it has Press Pass / Box / MLB Live. Click on Press Pass and it takes you to game notes and then click on the Met’s logo. Probably can get there directly from game notes somehow this is just how I stumbled upon it. Actually just checked can go to news then game notes.
The read on F-Mart’s spring is frightning. Oh my, his slugging 1.115
Hazmet
3/18/2010-9:42pm at 9:42 pm (UTC -4)
Are you kidding me, another F-Mart dinger. How is he going to AAA again?
Hazmet
3/18/2010-9:45pm at 9:45 pm (UTC -4)
False alarm, just another RBI, just…
He’s making quite a case for himself.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-9:43pm at 9:43 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks! I actually came across that last year, now that I’m looking at it. Just forgot how I got to it, I guess.
And with that FMart drives in another run.
Hazmet
3/18/2010-9:46pm at 9:46 pm (UTC -4)
No prob. Pretty cool stuff in there.
metsfan4decades
3/18/2010-9:56pm at 9:56 pm (UTC -4)
Taka ‘hits’ a sacrifice bunt. Either he’s really fast, or it was the perfect bunt.
And that’s the game. Mets win 5-2.