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Mar 19

Murphy-Of-All-Trades???

Joel Sherman of the NY Post suggests the Mets should concede 1st to Jacobs/Tatis and prepare Murphy for what he is best at “a lefty version of Ty Wigginton, someone who is not going to be a strong defensive player anywhere, but whose versatility and ability to hit to a fine degree make him a contributing player.

Do you agree?

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105 comments

  1. ceetar

    How about we release Jacobs and Tatis, give Murphy the everyday job, and let Carter make the team?

    1. metsfan4decades

      Does Carter play 3rd base at all? If not, we’d need to keep Tatis.

      1. ceetar

        I know Tatis is nto going anywhere, I just think he’s a bad player.

        1. trs86

          Most bench guys are. That’s why they are on the bench.

          1. stickguy

            and Tatis is actually better than most bench guys on other teams.

          2. ceetar

            I’d disagree on that, and I disagree with how Manuel is likely to use him.

          3. stickguy

            I obviously don’t have all the other teams rosters, or stats for bench guys. it was just my impression.

            I know he is better than Eric Bruntlett, and he was the primary utility guy on a WS team.

            I am with you that Jerry will completely misuse him though.

            As a RH PH, fill in for a game or inning all over th efield guy? He is good.

            But, he is not a starting or Platoon 1B or LF.

          4. ceetar

            I was fine with him as just a bat off the bench, and a give someone a day off once a month type guy, but Manuel doesn’t use him like that, and maybe that let to him being over exposed, who knows, but he was pretty bad most of the first half, or longer, last year. and I don’t think it’ll get better.

          5. stickguy

            It will when you make the obvious connection.

            Fire jerry.

          6. DNDJohan aka kistics

            Hey he did hit 2 Grand Slam in one inning.. I bet you Bruntlett has never done that. :)

          7. stickguy

            I will always appreciate that, since I had him on my fantasy team at the time.

        2. stickguy

          Well, if that is the logic, send Castillo packing with them!

          hey, I can dream too.

    2. Mr North Jersey

      Yes that will work.

    3. stickguy

      Just release jacobs and give the job to Carter. MF4D, Carter only plays 1B and COF, so they need Tatis to cover a few other spots. Plus he has guaranteed money, and isn’t going any where.

      Both Carter and jacobs play 1B (to some extent), but Carter seesm to have as much or more true power, but actual hitting skills beyond that.

      The only thing Jacobs brings to the table is a marginal ability to fill in at catcher, but Tatis can do that too.

      1. metsfan4decades

        Thanks, didn’t think Carter played any third base…

        Tatis obviously is no starter. If he can give us off the bench what he did in 2008, I’ll be satisfied with that.

        I don’t think either Jacobs or GMJ is long for the team – especially once Reyes and Beltran return.

        1. stickguy

          hopefully not. I don’t think Jacobs should ever have been brought in, although I guess they needed someone as a back up plan. And GMjr. I don’t think they ever intended to be here once Beltran gets back, unless they move Pagan.

  2. stickguy

    partly. Yes and no. Abbott and Costello.

    I agree that, LT, that might be his role, and it could work out fine. Most of those jack of all trade guys aren’t gonna be winning a cold glove at any position.

    And for all the people that scream about his production being weak for a starting 1B, it sould be excellent for a JOAT guy. Especially a low paid one.

    But, I disagree that they should do it now for Jacobs and Tatis (my god, get over the idea that he should be starting regularly. anywhere.) Jacobs? He is just not shown himself to be any good, on either side fo the ball. Even with his overblown ability to hit HRs (something he really only did once, and even then, it wasn’t a ton of them).

    Jacobs seems to be one of those guys that will hit a mistake or a groove pitch hard most of the time, but has no chance against a decent pitcher. It is all or nothing. At least murphy will adjust.

    Now, if it was 6/1, and Murphy was not lighting the world on fire and Davis was destroying AAA, then we can talk about it.

  3. CaseStreet

    Maybe.
    Whomever plays the best D should start.
    Eventually, yes Murphy will have to be a Wiggy/DeRosa player unless he improves his power #s and D.
    Murph starts
    jake Bench
    Davis AAA

    1. stickguy

      Jake cut. Carter bench.

      1. CaseStreet

        sounds good to me.

  4. trs86

    IF Davis was ready I would agree. Doing it to put Jacobs and Tatis there does not make sense. It will happen soon enough when Davis pushes his way on the scene.

    1. stickguy

      The trick with these prospects is always to figure out when they are ready. But usually ST isn’t the place to figure it out.

      That’s why I said send him down and give him 200 or so ABs in AAA. If he is mashing and looking good, then you might as well call him up unless the guy plugged in if carrying the load.

      So let Murphy have the same couple of months.

      But if the choice is jacobs/tatis tag team, or Davis on 4/5, I will pick Davis.

      Or like TX says below, if they trade for Gonzolez it becomes a moot point.

      Can yo uimagine a line up with that guy in the middle? You would end up with Bay hitting 6th most likely

      1. njstuckintx

        Nah, not 6th. prob. 5th. Just go full bore with Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Gonzi, Bay then Frenchy, Barajas and Castillo to round it all out. Talk about a murder’s row!

  5. njstuckintx

    Aren’t we close enough to the point of finally letting the sticks/gloves doing the talking? Seems there is not much to write about these days other than 57 yr managers trying out coke so might as well dump a little more on Murph. I know his spring hasn’t been spectacular, but there are a lot of proved guys who’s spring hasn’t been spectacular. Unless they are prepared to go with Ike and have him learn on the job as he plays EVERYDAY, then have him in AAA and let’s blaze forward with the Murph Experiment. If it falls apart after 3 weeks, well, Carter, Jacobs, Tatis and the Cat, here we come…

    Or we just acquire the Gonz.

  6. prismo

    “Yes, my sports blog, MetsBlog.com, is essentially a ‘link blog,’ in that I post links to other blogs, interviews, reports, etc.” -MC

    At least we’re on the same page!

    1. njstuckintx

      I saw he added 2 weather links. 1st link states that the sun rises in the east. 2nd link says they are 80% sure that said sun, once having risen in the east may settle somewhere over the horizon in a westwardly direction.

    2. trs86

      Most likely got tired of people getting on him about his opinions.

      1. DNDJohan aka kistics

        DeRosa for Hudson won’t work.

        1. DNDJohan aka kistics

          Nevermind…

        2. trs86

          Yeah, found out there are a few good names on the waiver wire and I can keep Mr. Versatility.

  7. saltygary

    Seeing that it’s march can we not talk about conceding anything to Tatis?

  8. ceetar

    Let’s go back to Figueroa hate. Adam Rubin thinks that if he doesn’t make the team he’ll exercise his rights to become a free agent and go pitch in Japan.

    1. prismo

      Good for him if that’s what he decides…

      1. trs86

        Agreed.

  9. DNDJohan aka kistics

    Am I missing something Joel Sherman? In what aspect of the game is Tatis/Jacobs platoon any better than Murphy? Maybe slightly more power, but definitely not in defense.

    1. ceetar

      More power? ha.

      Murphy and Tatis projected to roughly the same amount of power last year, and Murphy is learning and growing.

      1. DNDJohan aka kistics

        My point exactly. I really don’t see what the benefit of having Tatis/Jacobs over Murphy at 1B.

  10. CaseStreet

    I’m actually hoping we don’t see any of the kids till Sept.
    Maybe we can let Buffalo have a winning team.
    IIRC the Mets farm was winning right before the Mets started doing well.

    1. prismo

      Uhhh hopefully we don’t see them in September. If they’re not here it likely means the big leaguers are playing well enough to be in contention and there’s no time for the babies to play. (somehow I doubt we’d call up the babies because the Mets are so far ahead in the division…)

      1. DNDJohan aka kistics

        But your roster expands in September, so they should be in the majors.

        1. prismo

          Why should they be in the majors if they won’t get any playing time?

          For a playoff-contending team, I’d rather bring in a couple fresh reliever arms and maybe a couple extra bench players. Not sure why you would call up top prospects to sit on the bench for a month.

          1. trs86

            Because their season is over with and the rosters expand so why not? Let them sit the bench and learn from the MLB guys instead of going home and sitting on the couch.

          2. prismo

            Seems like a distraction for the players who are in a tight race for the wild card.

          3. ceetar

            We’ll have the division locked up by September 20th. I think we can afford to let Fernando Martinez get some major league reps in.

          4. prismo

            lol okay…

          5. DNDJohan aka kistics

            I disagree. I think they’ll be leading the division by 7 games with 17 games to go….. oh wait….

          6. ceetar

            if they got to a 7 game lead with 17 to go, that’d help excise a lot of demons.

          7. prismo

            unless they blew it ;)

          8. trs86

            Distraction? How so? You think they will be running rampant in the clubhouse and telling middle school jokes? LOL.

          9. trs86

            Besides teams have been doing this forever. Even the Yankees, Phillies, etc.

  11. trs86

    LOL, quote from Melvin Mora:
    Mora says he was in discussion with the Red Sox, Mets, Rangers and Mariners during the winter but chose the Rockies because he saw there his best opportunity to return to the playoffs.

    Uh, go Rockies?

    1. wannybackstra

      I think the Rockies have an excellent chance to go to the playoffs and though I might think the Sox have the best chance from that group, it is certainly arguable that the Rox have the best chance.

      1. trs86

        I would go RSox, M’s/Rockies, Mets, Rangers as most likely.

        1. wannybackstra

          I’d go Sox, Rox, Rangers, Mets and Ms.

          I’ve actually been considering the Rangers as my AL West pick. Now second guessing because I’m not sure if Washington will have lost his clubhouse.

          1. trs86

            I think the AL West is weak and I am not sure the Angels have the pitching. Something the M’s do.

          2. wannybackstra

            I think the Rangers have the potential to have good pitching. And I don’t think the M’s can hit at all.

            The M’s look like this year’s fashionable pick that will wind up disappointing.

          3. trs86

            Possible. I just think that division is very bad.

          4. wannybackstra

            Indeed.

            Of course, the Angels will make us both look bad and win it again.

            I pick against them every year. Last year I even picked Oakland.

          5. GravediggerHebner

            Oakland? Was that a Raider-fan pick?

          6. wannybackstra

            I’m happy to see any victory in Oakland I can. It’s all close enough.

            That said, go Oakland v. Pittsburgh today! (sounds like a great football game from 30 years ago!)

          7. njstuckintx

            What are your picks, if I can ask?

          8. wannybackstra

            Haven’t really thought it through yet but I’m inclined to say Phils, Cards, Rox, LAD (WC), Sox, Sox, Rangers and Yanks (WC).

          9. stickguy

            I’m punting on the Dodgers from that list. The rest all have a chance.

          10. njstuckintx

            I’m actually going with the following:
            Phils, Cards, Rox, Mets (WC)
            Yanks, Tigers, Rangers, Redsox (WC)

            I know, I know, I’ve cursed any chance the Mets have, but whatever. A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.

          11. wannybackstra

            Can’t really argue any of those picks and don’t really want to argue the Mets pick.

      2. stickguy

        agreed. That division is not going to be dominant.

  12. wannybackstra

    I guess Sherman is the only man standing who still looks at the HR column first when evaluating players.

    Why not bring Dave Kingman back?

  13. GravediggerHebner

    There are so many things wrong with Sherman’s thesis.

    1. “Concede” 1B to Jacobs/Tatis.
    Why are we “conceding” anything in the 3rd week of March?

    2. Prepare Murphy for what he “is best at.”
    At this stage of his professional career do we know what Murphy “is best at?” I sure don’t.

    3. Murphy has “versatility and ability to hit to a fine degree.”
    Really? So far he’s sucked at 3B, 2B and LF and has shown inconsistency but signs of ability at 1B, and his hitting was to “a fine degree” in 2008, much less so in 2009.

    Sherman is looking at different players than I am apparently.

    1. ceetar

      To be fair, while he didn’t have great numbers defensively at 3B in the minors, he was technically still learning that. He wasn’t a natural, but taht’s not to say he wouldn’t grow into the position.

      The same for LF. Obviously he’s not a natural talent, but he works hard and I think he could’ve been servicable there. But he’s been pretty good at first, and I think he’ll be abetter.
      I’m more concerned with how he was handled. He played 3B in 2008 right? (a teeny bit of 2B and 1B as well). Then he came up, and they played him out of position in LF. Offseason, send him to winter ball to play a different position, 2B. he gets hurt and ends it early. Comes to 2009, back to LF. May, to 1B. This looks to be the first year that he’ll have ended the previous year, had an offseason and Spring at that position, and will go into the season playing it. This had to be a plus.

      1. GravediggerHebner

        All fair points.

        I never “saw” Murphy play 3B or 2B I only read about it and the reports were not good. In LF he looked like he had excellent range but was simply learning batted ball speeds and trajectories and I agree probably could’ve become adequate. I certainly feel he’s shown enough (to me) at 1B that with a bit more regular playing time/experience he’ll do well enough there.

        I guess my biggest question about him at this point is what type of hitter is he/will he be? He came up as and initially demonstrated to be a good/very good BA/OBP guy, then last season sort or morphed into something less palatable. I will hope it was “part of the process.”

        1. stickguy

          about the hitting, I think a big part of it was trying to be what it seemed he needed to be to stay on the team.

          That is, all you read was about the lack of power (HRs) and how 1B was a power spot. So, maybe he started hacking (intentionally or otherwise) to try and “give the people what they want”?

          This should be a telling year. Hopefully sliding down the line up, and having other power sources on hand (bay, and soon hopefully Beltran) will help him go back to doing his OBP thing.

    2. DNDJohan aka kistics

      +1

      I really wonder what these writers are thinking.

    3. stickguy

      Let me guess, you aren’t a Murphy fanboy? This sounds like me trying to do an objective write up of Castillo!

      I do agree with your points 1 and 2.

      But for #3, I think you are a little harsh on his glove. He looked decent in 2008 out in LF. A little rough in 2009, but I think he had it in his head. If he had to go play a few innings out there, we would survive.

      I never saw him play 3B. I have no idea if his errors were fielding or throwing, or how good overall he can be. But again, for an emergency fill in, he does know how (and has plenty of time at) the position.

      I think he is fine at 1B. Certainly better than most JOATs.

      and 2B? That was what, 5 games in winter ball? COuld be an adventure I guess, but I doubt he really had enough of a chance to learn the position to say he sucked at it.

      But again, we are talking about a guy that you can put multiple places in a pinch, not someone as a permanent MI or OF guy that will compete for a gold glove!

      1. GravediggerHebner

        I am somewhat of a Murphy fanboy actually. The Daniel Murphy that I’ve been introduced to through the sports media is a cat I think I would like to hang with and a young ballplayer that I like and root for.

        I’m just as confused as he may be about what the team wants from him and what it is that he is best able to provide for them. That’s why ultimately I ask “how do we know what ‘he is?’” To assign him now to the “left handed version of Wiggington” role doesn’t seem out of the question but seems premature and based as much on the desire to have such a player at the team’s disposal as it does on anything he’s actually demonstrated an affinity for.

  14. trs86

    I usually like Adam Rubin and think he is spot on but I am having a hard time with his roster analysis article.
    Surfing The Mets

    1. stickguy

      Carter over jacobs if you want the last spot on the bench to be a LH power guy without noticable versatility.

      1. wannybackstra

        either of Carter or Catalonotto over Jacobs makes more sense to me.

        really, I think Catalonotto is the best fit for the job — he’s an experienced and quality pinch hitter. but I’d really like to see Carter get a shot to show what he’s got.

        1. trs86

          I think that Adams and Carter right now should make it. They have out performed their counterparts and still provide what the others lack.
          Blanco, Adams, Carter, Tatis, GMJR is what I would open with. Between Cora and Adams they can form a NASTY RH/LH SS combo. LOL.

          1. wannybackstra

            I agree with Adams over Tejada only because Tejada shouldn’t be sitting around watching Alex Cora.

            And as I said, I could go either way with Carter v. Cat. My brain says Cat, my heart says Carter.

            And I agree with you below that Mejia should not be in the pen and that Taka should be the frontrunner for the fifth spot right now.

          2. trs86

            Way too much agreeing lately.
            I like Cat but to me his plus is versatility yet if you have Adams and Tatis it’s not needed as much. Thus in that spot I would rather have the better potential for a hitter.

    2. GravediggerHebner

      With what are you having a hard time?

      1. trs86

        1) Niese still having the edge
        2) Taka being on the fringe behind Nieve and Niese
        3)Mejia in the pen
        4) Jacobs and Tejada making the team

        Also, can’t figure out if this is his opinion on what they should do, what he thinks they will do, or what he thinks they want to do?

        1. GravediggerHebner

          As far as your last sentence I don’t “know” the answer but based on his use of the phrase “an early look at how things appear to be shaking out” I was reading the article assuming that it was his best guess at what “would happen.”

        2. GravediggerHebner

          1) I think Niese has the edge because of all the competition he’s “the comer” (keep it clean).

          2) The Mets can afford to have Taka on the fringe because he has a minor league contract and is not on the roster (and will have options which Nieve lacks).

          3) I agree Mejia in the pen is a bad idea except if the organization has (somehow) determined that his future is as a reliever not a starter, if they’ve done that I see no reason to delay it. My personal hope is I hope they haven’t done that.

          4) I’d prefer Cat as some others have noted above but “from what I can gather” the Mets perhaps want to have someone on hand to supplant Murphy if he isn’t a house on fire immediately and Jerry does love his “veterans.” I don’t think anyone sees Cat as a starting 1B if Murphy doesn’t pan out. With Tejada again my stance is based on what has the organization determined for his future. If they envision him as a future “Cora” (utility MI) then bring him on, if they think he can start at either SS or 2B in the future then he should go down (keep it clean) and continue developing.

          My personal preferences are Mejia to the minors honing his craft as a starter, Jacobs only on the 25 man if he’s the starting 1B (which I don’t want), and Tejada on the roster as the regular SS until Reyes comes back then send him down.

  15. trs86

    Anyone know when Maine’s next start is?

    1. stickguy

      Johan goes today, so I think that puts him on the schedule for tomorrow.

      A nice, strong start from him would be a great relief. Right now, he is the only one I am worried about (not specifically results, but health and readiness for the season).

      1. trs86

        Completely agree. No matter how angry I get with who they pick for #5 because I know I will, the most important guy right now is Maine.

  16. DNDJohan aka kistics

    Cool article on Beltran. I like his attitude and mentality.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/ll_be_stronger_than_ever_vfNBdZWT6SqxJt2HesHUWM

  17. trs86

    Right now my team, not that anyone cares. LOL

    Murphy, Castillo, Cora, Wright, Bay, Pagan, Frenchy, Barjas
    Blanco, Adams, Tatis, Carter, GMJR

    Johan, Pelfrey, Perez, Maine, Taka
    Krod, Iggy, Feliciano, Calero, Misch, Nieve, Green

    Green I would like to see replaced with Biemel for very cheap as indeed it would give Jerry another LHP to use in the pen.
    Guys lost to options, only Figgy. :(

    1. prismo

      I actually completely agree!

      -I really wanted Niese to shine in ST and become the 5th starter, but right now Takahashi looks like the safer bet. Certainly wouldn’t be surprised if he got knocked around and was shipped off and replaced with someone else, while still in April.
      -Would love to sign Beimel to replace Green.
      -When Reyes comes back send Russ Adams down.
      -When Beltran comes back…uhh…do something with one of Pagan/GMJ/Carter. Guess it would depend on performance and whatnot.

      What happens to Parnell? AAA? Poor guy!

    2. njstuckintx

      I’ll take that. I could actually lose Nieve too. I know he has no options, but I’ve been all that high on him anywho.

      1. stickguy

        Ron Washington probably is!

        Think about that for a minute and it will make sense…

        1. njstuckintx

          Again, please keep the Ron Washington conversations between the lines!

          And that should have said “never been all that high”. :)

      2. trs86

        I like Nieve. To me he has as much or more potential than Parnell.

  18. ceetar

    If anyone’s curious, Yankee tickets on sale in a matter of moments. Subway Series attempt, likely to get shut out and curse at Ticketmaster.

    1. ceetar

      try one, get right in, no seats in the grandstand. try two, bleachers, 4 minute wait. no seats.

      try friday, grandstand, 13 minute wait.

      Ticketmaster sucks.

      1. prismo

        http://www.stubhub.com/new-york-yankees-tickets/yankees-vs-mets-6-18-2010-898417/

        $46 per ticket
        could be worse…

        1. ceetar

          Yeah. and it’s actually one bridge toll closer than Citi. still, that’s a bit of money to go to a lesser stadium.

  19. trs86

    Anyone interested.
    SurfingTheMets

    Mike Jacobs is catching Tobi Stoner’s bullpen session. More info at nydailynews/blogs/mets

    1. stickguy

      just trying anything to keep hiw carcass on the team.

      Although Tatis can serve as an emergency catcher too, so less important. And Jerry would never take avantage of it anyway.

      Unless you have duoble C injuries in the same game, the only time it becomes useful is if Blanco starts and you want to send up Brajas as a PH.

      1. trs86

        Which you would most likely use Jacobs instead.

  20. CaseStreet

    Who’ll have a greater positive impact on the Mets, Pagan or Castillo?

    1. trs86

      Define positive impact.

      1. njstuckintx

        HGH. Kidding…

      2. CaseStreet

        Yesterday on SNY, the question posed was “What Met will have the greatest positive impact?”

        Mark Malusis said Pagan and the other guy said Castillo.

        I take it to mean, who’ll make the biggest difference over your average player.

        Tough one for me because not many players can get on base like Castillo. On the other hand, not many CFers can hit as well as Pagan.

        Since Castillo will start the entire year, I’m going with Castillo.




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