“Been in this game one-hundred years, but I see new ways to lose ‘em I never knew existed before. “Â Casey Stengel
Here’s what you missed on Wednesday 4/7/10 at TRDMB:
- This Day In Mets Infamy With Rusty †The Do You Know What I Hate Edition†04-07-10 by rustyjr
- Now comes the hard part. by gonzowill
- Real Dirty Mets Morning Open Thread by CaseStreet
- Real Dirty Mets Forecast 04-07-10 by prismo
- By The Numbers: Maine History Is Good vs Marlins by Mr North Jersey
- Mets Magic Number by CaseStreet
- Twitter Tweet: Figueroa Goes To The Phillies by Mr North Jersey
- TRDMB: How Do You View Your Mets Glass, Half Full Or Half Empty? by Mr North Jersey
- 4/7/2010-TRDMB: Did You Know? by Mr North Jersey
- Audio: Manuel’s State Of The Mets – Week 1 by Mr North Jersey
- Game Thread: Mets vs Marlins Game 2 by dirtysanchez
- Post Game: Mets Can’t Knock Wood, Fall In Extras by GravediggerHebner
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70 comments
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
I don’t want to spoil the fun again, but they were just 3 games over .500 I believe, and had the crappiest record of any division winner ever I think.
But they beat the rising Big Red Machine in the NLCS lost in Game 7 of the WS after being up 3 games to 2 to an all-time great A’s team.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Also one of the best comebacks after being 12 back on July 8.
ceetar
4/8/2010-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
mabye we should stop criticizing the ’06 Mets for losing to a “pathetic” 84 win Cardinal team?
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
I never have done that; the Cards were one of those “teams of destiny.”
Suppan and Weaver had the best week of their lives, and as we have seen, that Wainwright pitch wasn’t a fluke.
An excellent year; arguably the 5th best in team history after 69, 73, 86, and 00.
fongy2
4/8/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
And don’t forget Scott Friggin Spiezio!!!
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Damn, I was trying to!
njstuckintx
4/8/2010-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
Who could forget that Flaming Red Soul Patch?!?!
GravediggerHebner
4/8/2010-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
The MLB free preview has allowed me to notice that some Cards fans still wear stick on versions of that to games (and probably to work too).
udontmesswthejohan
4/8/2010-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
I think last night was a good indication of the troubles the Mets will have to confront, at least until they are back at full strength (Jose hopefully back Sat, and Beltran???). Even with an improved lineup that features Bay, Barajas, and Francouer for the entire season still seemed to be missing something without the two aforementioned players on the DL.
I have gone on record here saying that I’m not exactly overly confident that MOP will be able to get the job done. That said, yes, it’s early and just one start, no need to overreact, but I think it underscores the importance of getting good efforts from the starting rotation. I don’t think any of us can confidently say that they felt the Mets were going to come back in that game after going down 4 or 5 runs. The comeback itself had everything to do with the Marlins and little to do with the Mets.
In short, we need to have good efforts from the starting rotation for the time being. When we are at full strength and people have hit their strides, then maybe we can afford t fall behind and slug it out, but not right now.
ceetar
4/8/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
I don’t know if it matters when they hit strides.. If anything all pitchers are a little slow in April, not quite up to arm strength, cold weather (usually) and all that so it helps if you can outslug guys in April, let the pitchers settling in in the summer, and have everything click in September.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
“The comeback itself had everything to do with the Marlins and little to do with the Mets.”
Sorry, but I can’t agree w/ comments like this. If the Mets do something good, it’s only because the other team allowed them too. However, if they do something bad, then all the blame rests on the team. You can’t win.
I’ve heard this same type of reasoning in Minaya discussions (i.e. Santana fell into our lap or Omar overpaid for Castillo and Ollie). You can’t have it both ways.
Overall, though, I agree that we can’t really afford to have a “Stinky MOP.”
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
“The comeback itself had everything to do with the Marlins and little to do with the Mets.â€
Yeah, this is not reasonable.
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“Overall, though, I agree that we can’t really afford to have a ‘Stinky MOP.’”
Early entry for funniest line of the year!!
udontmesswthejohan
4/8/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
My point is that the Marlins’ bullpen essentially imploded with walks, wild pitches, and balks. It wasn’t as though the Mets were tearing the cover off the ball. I’ll give them credit for being patient and taking what was given to them, but they didn’t actively comeback in that game. it was the result of poor performance on the part of the opposing bullpen. I think they only managed 6 or 7 hits on the game, not to mention some poor decision making on the base paths that I don’t think we need to get into.
GravediggerHebner
4/8/2010-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
I feel that in the case of this one particular game the comment about it having more to do with the Marlins than the Mets is valid.
Yes, the Mets scored 6 runs. But they scored them much more so due to bad fielding and pitching by the Marlins than they did by sound offensive execution on their own part.
I am not offended by the suggestion in this isolated case that the Marlins defense/pitching played a larger role in the Mets scoring than the Mets offense did.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
fair enough. As I noted earlier, my DVR didn’t record Mets Fast Forward (though I don’t remember selection the “Record Only Wins” option)
still, though, the Mets took advantage of the Marlins poor playing. They should be commended for that. They could’ve just as easily not taken advange of it.
GravediggerHebner
4/8/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
Well yeah if they better avoided being hit by pitches
udontmesswthejohan
4/8/2010-12:37pm at 12:37 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t get me wrong, when they scored those runs, I didn’t care how they did it, and you are right that taking what the other team gives you is part of the game, my original point was simply that with the lineup as presently constructed, even though it is eons better than the one we finished the year with last year, it still has a lot of holes (see – jacobs hitting cleanup).
Until those holes are addressed by the addition of Reyes and Beltran and/or we start hitting the cover off the ball, then the starting pitching is going to have to be on point.
fongy2
4/8/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
The problem with really believing in THIS group is our Mgr and
Coaches are well below average.
Its great to want to run and put pressure on the opposition,
especially once Reyes gets back BUT you can’t just run for the
sake of running. Wrights got to know that stealing second in the
9th is a BAD move. Beyond that though, Jerry and Razor have got to make sure Wright bothers Nunez with his lead BUT you can’t take the bat out of Bay’s hands there. THAT was the perfect example of whats wrong with this team.
The failure of Maine to go more than 5 AND the Pen,outside of
KRod is a microcosm of whats wrong with the construction of
this group.
metsfan4decades
4/8/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
You didn’t really mean to lump Feliciano in with the question marks in the pen, did you?
Pitching, pitching, pitching. We all knew it was questionable coming into this season. We didn’t get a solid pitcher to bolster the rotation. We’re rolling the dice with MOP and Niese. It could go either way, but I don’t think the odds are in our favor there. I hope I’m wrong.
As far as managerial/coaching decisions….while Jerry often leaves me scratching my head, I didn’t have as much of a problem with Wright stealing that base there as most. On first, it would have taken at least a double by Bay to score him. On second, it’s possible GMJ gets a single to score him. Either way is a gamble.
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
+ Many.
fongy2
4/8/2010-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
Thanks…No I didn’t mean to lump Feliciano in
with the group of bad pitchers in the pen.
With all due respect though, Bay is an Allstar
and one of the best RBI guys in the game.
GMjr is a 5th OFer who doesn’t hit much.
I thought the reason for signing Bay was to give him the chance to drive in runs and try to let him
win games…WITH HIS BAT.
If it was Frenchy hitting behind Bay…Okay…
maybe…But Jerrys gonna allow Gonzalez to take
the bat outta Bay’s hands there??…For Matthews??
metsfan4decades
4/8/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
Well, you have a point with Bay. One I agree with. Which is why I don’t know why Jacobs was hitting 4th and Bay 5th to start with.
I’m just saying on that stolen base, I didn’t have as much heartache with the decision as most.
fongy2
4/8/2010-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Okay
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/8/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
Jacobs needs to get out of the 4th spot. He just kills the flow of the offense.
I mean you have Wright get on the base, but there’s nothing to show for if Jacob strike out or hits an IF pop-up.
Great example is the 9th inning.
Wright gets on base with 1 out and steals the base (which was okay IMO). Will the Marlins likely walk Bay with 1 out and face GMJ or Frenchy? Probably. But you still have 1-out left even if GMJ/French records an out.
Jerry is killing me with Jacobs at 4th. I hope he realizes that Jacobs is NOT our clean-up hitter soon.
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
The team came from 5 back….guys took pitches and drew walks…the defense (including two more excellent Omar pickups Bay and Barajas) was good….the baserunning was aggressive.
We have a whole bunch of great looking prospects at AAA.
I dislike Jerry, but there’s a LOT to be optimistic about, even if we are a year away.
Which it is far too early to declare definitively.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
Phillies Suck! j/k
I’m hoping Jerry gets Manager of the Year Award, because that’ll mean the team played so well that they actually made him look like a good manager.
darknova306
4/8/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
Last night’s game goes to show you can’t hide lousy pitching. That goes for both teams, the pitching was mostly ugly.
And please tell me we don’t have to endure Jacobs at cleanup ever again. He’s flat out awful.
fongy2
4/8/2010-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
Amen!…….And……..Amen!……….
stickguy
4/8/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
I know Kingman hates him with a blind fury of passion, but I really wanted to see Carter get a shot at this role.
wright/bay/carter/frenchy just looks better to me.
well, reyes and beltran back to replace cora and GMjr. looks even better!
ALthough by then we may be looking at Davis.
what the hell, let’s pretend it is still the off season, and make “what if” line ups!
B June, can they win (or at least score plenty of runs) with this bunch?:
Reyes
castillo (I would flip them, Jerry is too dumb)
wright
beltran
bay
davis
frenchy
barajas
1-4 have speed. 3-8 have power (OK, at least 3-6). 7-8 have shown the ability to drive in runs, and there should be plenty of guys OB for them. Even a nice mix of L/R, especially with all the switchees.
Just man, I do not like seeing Tatis in the field. Just does not belong there. But, that line up can do some damage, against RH or LH pitchers. And if you had a strong LH OF bat and RH 1B bat to sometiems platoon with Frenchy and Davis, it could be deadly.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Can’t see Murphy coming up till end of the year, especially when they have Murph, Jacobs and Carter.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/8/2010-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
You mean Ike?
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
yeah,Benadryl is making me dumb
stickguy
4/8/2010-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
I know you meant Davis. And likely he doesn’t come up (best case scenerio, they don’t need him. WOrst case, he doesn’t deserve it!)
My thinking is that Jacobs sucks, and won’t last long. And they seem to refuse to consider Carter for the job. SO, that leaves Murphy.
Say he is back by 5/1, and gets the job back (Jacobs, waive bye bye). Then he does pretty much nothing in June.
If at the same time, the team is scuffling a little bit, and Davis is bombing balls in AAA, wouldn’t it make a ton of sense to bring him up?
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
I don’t know. It’s rare for a rookie to come up and tear the cover off the ball.
Murphy is supposed to hit 6th or 7th. So, we wouldn’t be expecting too much from him. Will Davis immediately hit that much better than Murphy to make this move? I guess they can hope he does.
I’d just as well keep him down till Sept. callups, but I could see him coming up sooner in your scenario.
darknova306
4/8/2010-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
Even to appease me slightly, Jacobs could be slotted way lower to keep the rally-killing from the cleanup spot. Yikes.
Bisons start playing today (Stoner rolls his first start), so I’m sure we’ll all be keeping a close eye on Davis. Hopefully he can dominate and make the decision easy.
How about we trade Jerry for a bag of balls and let the balls make decisions by committee?
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
Jacobs should be hitting 6th or 7th.
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Stick, I do not hate ANY baseball player with blind fury.
You are going to put a 27 1/2 year old guy with 26 MLB at bats in the number 5 spot protecting Bay??
That is not positiviality my friend, that is just plain outright ridiculous.
3-4-5 right now should be Wright/Frenchy/Bay.
And Jacobs stinks. He always has and always will. I am ready to give Carter a chance today. But he would bat 7th or 8th for starters.
stickguy
4/8/2010-10:56am at 10:56 am (UTC -4)
Jacobs stinks, I give yo that. But you want Frenchy hitting clean up? Really?
Fine if they want to hit Carter 7th. Just have to work around Jerry’s L/R fixation.
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
If the choice is Jacobs or Frenchy, which it pretty much is?
Absolutely.
I look at it this way—-he will be able to hit some of the strikes which Jacobs misses.
Mr North Jersey
4/8/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
I think it is safe to say that the lineup is a reflection of players that are on the dl, Reyes, Murphy and Beltran.
We can agree that if everyone was healthy our 4 hitter is either Wright, Bay or Belran. Take your pick but all are better than Jacobs, Frenchy or God forbid Murphy.
I continue to say Jacobs in the 4 hole is a good idea because now is the time to see if he can produce and hit homers which happens to be the only reason he is here. If he continues to struggle after 15 or so games well the Mets can go another route preferably Carter.
It is obvious that Manuel does not like the idea of Wright Bay and Frenchy bunched together. A lefty bat has to go in there somewhere either in front or behind Bay.
Wright Bay Jacobs and Frenchy may be the end result. Personally I feel Wright and Bay should be attached to each other all year to each other in the lineup.
Reyes should be back Saturday lengthening the lineup making it probably
S Reyes
S Castillo
R Wright
L Jacobs
R Bay
R Francoeur
S Matthews Jr
R Barajas
I think based on 2 games maybe switching Bay and Jacobs would be a better way to go but if Jacobs can’t hit between Wright and Bay then he shouldn’t be on the team.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
or even better:
GMJ
Castillo
Reyes
Wright
Bay
Jacobs
Frenchy
Barajas
Kingman 26
4/8/2010-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
I just cannot for the life of me understand the relevance of Jacobs’ batting lefty when he is an awful hitter who cannot get on base.
And yes TRS, he has a decent OPS against righty pitchers; BAD righty pitchers. And decent righty can toy with him.
And Case is SO right; Reyes hitting 3rd tremendously reduces the need for having a guy like Jacobs or Frenchy hit 4th.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
tnx. Some will argue not to mess with Reyes, but I just don’t see it as “messing”.
We ask players to move up or down the lineup all the time. Why should Reyes be treated with kid gloves? If he can hit leading off, he can hit batting third.
saltygary
4/8/2010-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
I think your observation is by far the biggest issue with yesterdays game. The Mets used 7 pitchers in a 10 inning game and it’s only the second game of the season. If this keeps up Omar might as will sign another 8 relievers and stash them in Buffalo because no staff can carry that load.
This also puts extra stress on guys like Santana who feel they need to put in extra time to give the pen a break.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/8/2010-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
Can someone tell me why Castillo was replaced by Tatis? I know Tatis gives you more pop in the bat, but Castillo can get on base and you need someone to get on base to score.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
No one is in Jerry’s doghouse yet, so maybe he’s starting with Castillo.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/8/2010-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
If anyone it should be Jacobs who should be in the doghouse.
Effin Jerry and his doghouse…
darknova306
4/8/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
Maybe the April heat was getting to Jerry’s head.
stickguy
4/8/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
I wasn’t watching at that point, but from the box score, I think it wa a double switch?
That is one thing that bugs me about Jerry (well, one of many). When it seems to make sense (like last night with Tejada and K Rod in the 9th) he doesn’t do it.
ANd when he actually does, he just uses the pitcher for 1 inning anyway, thereby using up a bat off the bench for no gain.
If he did it last night, and K rod had a modest pitch count, he would have had the option of using him for 2 innings. Now maybe there was 100% no chance he would go 2, but at least it gives you the option, since Tejada was going to be hitting anyway.
Unless Jerry really wanted Cora in the field instead of Tejada?
Mr North Jersey
4/8/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
I think Jerry said in postgame that he had no intention of bringing KRod back out.
metsfan4decades
4/8/2010-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
‘Cause he doesn’t want to lose his status as the great tinkerer?
One thing that really had me scratching my head – besides using just about every BP arm in last night’s loss – was that Cat being introduced, Marlins countering with a replacement, then pulling him back and putting Tatis up there. Way to burn a pinch hitter.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/8/2010-11:03am at 11:03 am (UTC -4)
I think Cat was still available, no?
metsfan4decades
4/8/2010-11:17am at 11:17 am (UTC -4)
No, he wasn’t. He was introduced officially as a pinch hitter. The Marlins retaliated by bringing in another reliever. Jerry then pulled Cat back, put Tatis up there. Therefore, Cat would be no longer available.
By the 10th, only one left on the bench not used in one form or another – outside of Iggy, was Blanco.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/8/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
Nice.. very smart.
ceetar
4/8/2010-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
The way the Marlins bullpen was handing out walks, Castillo might’ve been able to go to first without even bothering with going to the plate.
stickguy
4/8/2010-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
there was some discussion up above about Ike Davis.
June would actually be the perfect time to bring him up and start getting him acclimated.
Why you ask? Well, let me tell you!
Assume (since we gotta) that Reyes is back Saturday, and Beltran by mid-May (OK, assume and pray). Let’s further assume Jacobs only lasts until Murphy gets back (my 5/1) and Murphy won’t be setting the world on fire (doing OK, nothing great). And finally, Davis rips it up in AAA.
Well, perfect time to get him up. The rest of the team will be veterans (some young, but all established) that play every day. It will also be a nice strong line up.
So, you can hide Davis lower down (say, 7th), with no pressure to carry the team. Just get comfortable, and used to the ML pace. It shold instantly improve the IF defense, and I have to imagine he will produce as much as Murphy on offense.
But more importantly, he can establish himself as a starter, and be ready to take on a more prominant role (say, hit 5th) next year. Instead of starting the year as a rookie.
ANd if they also look to blend in another rookie (F Mart hopefully, possibly Thole), do you really want they all coming in pretty raw?
They also (by waiting til june) don’t start the arbitration clock a year early.
Now, if Murphy is tearing up the majors and/or Davis is struggling at AAA, you don’t make the move.
How about this: Murphy back 5/1, jacobs to bench. 6/1, Davis up, Murphy to bench, Jacobs cut.
Is there really a downside anywhere in this?
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-11:17am at 11:17 am (UTC -4)
hmm, interesting point about not wanting 3 rookies in your lineup at the same time.
The only counter-argument I have is that it’ll be very hard for Davis to play better than Murphy right off the bat. He may start off hot, but once pitchers figure Davis out, it’s likely he’ll struggle. At least Murphy has some valuable ML experience.
ceetar
4/8/2010-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think Murphy will play bad enough that you’d think about doing something like bring Davis up, experience aside. I think the team is good enough offensively at the other positions (Wright, Beltran, Bay, Reyes? that’s awesome..) to cover three rookies at once. Just don’t add Tejada into that mix right away.
Here’s how I prefer it:
Mets are 17 games up come September first, and Thole, Fernando Martinez and Davis all come up and get a fair amount of time to rest the regulars.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
pretty much what I was trying to say Ceetar. And I like your scenario. Though I could see Tejada in the mix as well, especially if Jerry decides Louie belongs in the dog house.
ceetar
4/8/2010-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
I’m hoping Manuel will be linked to the Pope’s scandal and get fired that way, since obviously his performance isn’t doing it.
CaseStreet
4/8/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
lol. that’s just gossip. nothing to see.
whataputz
4/8/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
John Maine scares me because he pretty much has one pitch (fastball) which he throws 90% of the time, and his fastball looks pretty bad, and has looked bad for a while. Granted he’s been banged up, and on the recovery for a while, but his fastball isn’t getting anyone out. He’s been getting shelled for a while. Someone needs to get him some steroids so he can get his velocity up…anybody got a-rods #?
Maine and Pelf are very similar in the fact that they don’t have a second pitch that can get guys out. However Pelf has got more movement and velocity, and has shown signs of success. Maine is starting to worry me, he hasn’t been effective in a while. Your number 2 should be better than ” I’ll take 3 runs in 5 innings”
ceetar
4/8/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
4-1 with a 2.75 ERA last May. I don’t know that I’d classify that as “a while”
and he didn’t throw 90% fastballs last night.
See how it goes though, last night certainly wasn’t encouraging.
whataputz
4/8/2010-11:49am at 11:49 am (UTC -4)
he threw 50 fastballs, and only 2 of them were swinging strikes…yikes! He got hurt after may though, and he was topping out at 91 yesterday. I just don’t see how he’s fooling hitters.
ceetar
4/8/2010-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
location too. Yeah, my point was he has been good, recently. Maybe he works though it and figures it out and gets his velocity back up another notch or two. We’ll see..hopefully next start.
GravediggerHebner
4/8/2010-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
I hear what you’re saying Whata.
You certainly don’t have to, but I’m willing to cut Maine a little slack given that about 5 days ago he was running off the mound to puke between innings. Josh Johnson also finished ST with the stomach flu and he wasn’t exactly overwhelming in his first start.
udontmesswthejohan
4/8/2010-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
Last May means its been almost a calendar year. I’d classify that as “a while”.
ceetar
4/8/2010-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
Considering he was injured almost the entire time inbetween, I’d say it’d be the last valid sample.
ceetar
4/8/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
keithlaw is annoying me a bit with his defense of the Yankees about the Brewers GM comments and ignoring the actual issue.
stickguy
4/8/2010-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
I found this comment on another site to be amusing:
“Here’s a rule to go by. 80% of what Manuel says can be totally ignores. The other 20% … should be seriously questioned.”