Today everyone’s talking about how amazing Pelfrey was last night, and rightfully so. However, we can’t forget the large number of holes this team continues to employ. Clutch hitting continues to be the biggest issue, in my mind. Second on the plate is the starting pitching, even with Big Pelf pitching like he did. But I think everyone could have predicted the flip-flopping of the fan-base after a win. And I’m cool with that – let them have their day in the sun, because after the next loss everything will be doom and gloom once again. Unfortunately the reality probably lies in-between, closer to the doom scenario…at least until they hypothetically pull off a string of wins and get back to .500 ball.
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metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
Speaking of a struggling offense…..why no updates on Beltran? He was suppose to start running a week ago and didn’t. Haven’t really heard why and haven’t heard a peep about where’s he’s at since.
stickguy
4/16/2010-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
I finally figured it out. WHile in for the knee, he also had a sex change, and they are struggling finding a uniform that fits.
Hey, if they won’t give any updates, I just have to make up my own!
but seriously, it still amazes me that it is 3+ months since he had a “minor” arthto procedure, and he is stil shut down from running.
People have had knee replacements and run races in less rehab time than that.
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
LOL.
I’m starting to think more and more there was more to that knee surgery than fans have been told.
ceetar
4/16/2010-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
It’s disturbing to think that, and I doubt it because I don’t think they’d have been able to really keep it hidden and it doesn’t jive with the idea that he’s been doing other stuff just find right after (biking for instance)
Are they being overly cautious? I want to know what the catalyst to the set-back was? What was it that caused them not to have him run last week? an x-ray? what?
stickguy
4/16/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
If reyes was anyindication, they seem to have gone to the oppostie extreme, and instead of rushing guys back, they are keeping them out too long, just to “be safe”.
This far in, if he is still having a problem or pain that is preventing him from running, might as well look for the permananet CF solution this year, because I don’t think you are seeing him at all. And if you don’t, don’t plan on him for next year either!
stickguy
4/16/2010-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Oh, and I didn’t say that just to be silly. It is because the next logical step is another procedure to figure out (or fix) whatever is still wrong.
ceetar
4/16/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
From the little bit I can get from the sparse reports, he’s felt no pain at all. He’s done just about everything but run. He was swinging even last I heard.
njstuckintx
4/16/2010-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
Amazing where he could be now if only they did this right after the season, eh?
stickguy
4/16/2010-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
I’m still amazed that almost a full year later, we are still waiting for Delgado to be able to play again! Utley and A rod missed what, 2 months?
ceetar
4/16/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
I’ve got three letters for you, and two of them are “H”.
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
lol.
I don’t understand this. How would any of these guys get away with taking this today. Is it because they really don’t have a definitive blood test yet to identify users? It’s a hit or miss with that?
ceetar
4/16/2010-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
They don’t have any blood test. (except spring training team physicals).
They all (well, Jeter, Rivera and A-Rod) fit the profile. Pettitte’s already admitted to using it. (but oh, it was just the once, really.)
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
I heard Michael Kay speaking about Beltran on his show the other day. Here’s basically what he said.
Beltran and Boras are still pissed at the Mets on the surgery debacle. And Beltran now will take his time and be 100% healthy for his contract year next year. So, basically he doesn’t care whether he’s back early or not.
Obviously this is coming from a man that despises the Mets and puts them in a same category as the Nazis. So I would not believe this guy at all. But just giving you guys what I’ve heard.
stickguy
4/16/2010-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
Still doesn’t answer the question about why his scheduled day to start running was pushed back (almost a week at this point).
Or is Kay saying he could have run, but he just decided not to so he could stick it to the Mets?
They better have some medical evidence to support it, or if I was the team, I would file a grievance to screw him back!
Anyway, I have to think that is 100% speculation on Kay’s part. If for no other reason, Boras is smart enough to know that it will be tough enough taking a 35 YO CF to market after next year. If he cements a reputation as having shot knees, and can’t even recover from a minor procedure (or even worse, he is dogging it), then that will not help get bigger $$ on the next deal.
If he wants 1 more jackpot, he needs to get back and lead the team someplace.
I certainly understand not rushing back early when he isn’t physically ready. But that is way different then taking an extra month hanging out at the beach just to give a giant middle finger to the Mets FO.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
Well I think what Kay is saying is that Beltran wants to be 100% healthy before beginning any baseball activities. Not 99% or 99.9%, but 100%.
But I think it’s BS, because I think Beltran is a lot more hard worker than he’s portrayed. I love the fact that he came back to play last season when he could’ve stayed out of the field only because it’s his job to play on the field regardless of what the situation is. Also what he’s been doing during the ST where he was looking at pitches while sitting down to get the better feel for the ball, he’s been doing little thing as much as he can without causing any set backs.
So I think what Kay is saying is contradicting to what Beltran has been doing.
njstuckintx
4/16/2010-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
Where would his next jackpot come from? Other than the Mets.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
Well I think if he’s willing to move to RF or LF, he would do okay for 2-3 year contracts.
njstuckintx
4/16/2010-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
I think he’ll have to. And then, Cha-Ching. Thinking about this, I’d let him play out his contract, offer him arb and be done. Boras isn’t going to accept arb and we’ll get the picks. With Fmart and Kirk and maybe even frenchy (assuming he plays well for the year and we can ink him to a 3-4 year deal), it would be silly to keep Beltran at his age and $. Am I saying he’s crap, let’s ditch him? not at all. Just looking at this objectively.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
The Mets can’t offer him Arb which was agreed upon by both parties. Which sucks, so that’s one incentive to trade him next season if the Mets are not competing.
CaseStreet
4/16/2010-11:05am at 11:05 am (UTC -4)
If Beltran were only a glove, I’d agree that he won’t get a jackpot.
But as a plus defensive outfielder who still hits very good, I think he’ll get pretty good money.
njstuckintx
4/16/2010-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
Well said. My point was more asking who else would be in on him other than the Mets, as I’m not sure who can spend the $ or have the need.
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
There’s too much we don’t know. I’m not blaming Beltran here. I don’t want to see Met fans starting that ‘dogging’ it accusations.
Last year with Reyes, it seemed there was no much communication on where he was out. There were some reports in ST this year that at times, Reyes couldn’t walk last summer, he had so much pain. Meanwhile, we had Met fans accusing Reyes of being lazy or ‘soft’. And I think that’s on Mets FO with lack of communication. I’m not saying Met fans have to be privy to everything, but an occasional update on Reyes last year would have been nice.
ceetar
4/16/2010-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
It’s beyond stupid.
A. The reports were that Beltran jumped at having the surgery done ASAP, where the Mets wanted to talk it out another day or two.
B. He showed up at Spring Training early. He could’ve stayed in Colorado, in Puerto Rico, at home, to rehab. Instead he chose to go to the Mets. When asked he’s said he’d only need 7-10 games to get ready, which is definitely on the fast side.
Beltran wants to be back for sure.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. I think it’s Kay just finding more excuses to bash on the Mets.
stickguy
4/16/2010-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
I’m not worried about “clutch hitting”. Hitters are streaky in general, and the mets have a couple of particularly streaky ones. ANd over the course of the season, clutch hitting will even out. Especially when the overall hitting (as in beltran back and jacobs gone) improves.
SP? Well, I am happy that the team is now up to 3/5 of a rotation. ANd if Ollie can find his Mojo now, they just need to someone to settle in as a respectable #5, and the rotation will be fine (somewhere between OK and Not bad maybe, but good enough if the offense comes to life and the pen stays sharp).
Really interested in Maines next start though, going back to his old grip it and rip it ways. It does sound like his mechanics are a huge part of the problem, so if this start is a mess too, he really should get a little vacation in Buffalo to get straightened out.
ANd man, just send Mejia down please to get back to starting. Call up Calero, and the pen will be loaded with viable short men, with a couple of long men.
Set it up this way: K rod closing, with Iggy, Pedro F, Calero as primary short men.
Takagoomey and Valdes (for now) as the LOogy/long men as needed.
Neive as a swing guy (long/middle/short, as needed)
That is 7 guys that have been doing the job, and no apparent need, or role, for Mejia.
so get his ass back in AA to finish refining and harnessing thos nasty looking 2ndary pitches.
Hell, do it now, and if Maine needs his vacation in say another 3 weeks, he should be a viable option.
saltygary
4/16/2010-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Ladies and Gentlemen, A True Phillies Fan:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5098407
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Boomer and Carton talking about this story right now on WFAN.
ceetar
4/16/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
I linked a better story (same story, just longer) in the last thread.
ceetar
4/16/2010-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2010/04/16/news/doc4bc83a69061da686189884.txt
darknova306
4/16/2010-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
I’ve heard of kids getting shoved around and cursed at in CBP, but this takes it to a whole new level of “class”.
stickguy
4/16/2010-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
I have been to plenty of games at the Vet and at CBP in the last 25 years, and overall, the Vet was much worse. CHeap tickets and cheap(er) beer, plus lousy teams, led to a very young, drunk, nasty crowd. There, you occasionally worried about your physical safety.
CBP is overll much more family and older crowd oriented. They also have a lot more security. Yeah, you still get the occasional heckler (especially wearing Met gear), but ti really isn’t any different IMO than going to citi filed (wearing Philly gear say).
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Yeah the Mets fans aren’t exactly known for their well-behaved manner either.
darknova306
4/16/2010-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
I’ll take your word for it, having never been to the Vet or CBP, but I’ve got a couple friends that have some horror stories from CBP (non Mets games, no Mets gear). I’ll have to go down and see for myself one of these days.
stickguy
4/16/2010-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
well, I am sure plenty of people here can giv eyou horror stories about being at Shea too.
CaseStreet
4/16/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Every party needs a pooper, that’s why I’m inviting you,
Party pooper, party pooper.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
What do you guys think of Reyes batting 3rd? I know we had a lot of debate over this during the ST, but now that the time has past a little bit and we’ve seen 1.5 week of real baseball, have your opinions changed at all?
I still think it’s a bad idea even though I understand why. Moving Reyes to bat 3rd essentially pushes everyone back one slot and putting Pagan at the leadoff spot instead of 8th. So it would look something like this for RHP,
Pagan
Castillo
Reyes
Wright
Bay
Jacobs
Frenchy
Barajas
and for LHP you just flip Frenchy over to 6th spot and Tatis at 7th.
I think it’s a bad idea because,
1 – The only reason we want to stretch out the lineup is because we thought offense would be lacking 6-8. But that’s not the case now. We’ve seen Frenchy and Barajas at 6 & 7 spot and they can hit. They have power and can hit in important spot. I think Pagan could provide good mix of speed and power at #8 spot with pitcher coming up. So I think there’s no point in stretching out the lineup when we already have decent hitting 6-8.
2 – I simply think Reyes is not suited for a #3 hitter. He doesn’t really hit for average nor does he draw walks. He has some power, but probably can’t hit 20+ HRs and I think Wright is a better #3 hitter than Reyes.
3 – Reyes and Wright are one of the best players in their current spot in the league. So by moving Reyes to 3rd and Wright to 4th, you take that away their strength of their game. Why do that?? Reyes has been leadoff man all his career. Now you think he can simply turn on the switch to be the #3 hitter when he’s about to get his offense together?? I don’t think so.
4 – So Reyes bats 3rd and moves everyone down 1 spot. What happens when Beltran comes back? And please don’t tell me he’ll bat 2nd, because putting Beltran (who has a lot more power than Reyes) in front of someone who has less power is a stupid idea. So, you put Reyes at 3rd for a 1.5 months and then switch him back to leadoff spot? Why do that to a guy who has missed nearly a year because of his injury? Why confuse the guy to a guy who’s now just getting his game back? Not to mention everyone else in the lineup.
stickguy
4/16/2010-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
I was on board with this in ST. I still think he wil be fine there if he embraces the idea. Actually, I think he will love hitting down in the order, since he doesn’t act like a “true” lead off hitter anyway.
But, I thought it should have been Castillo hitting leadoff, since his OBP or nothing approach fit better in that spot of the order.
And ultimatley, I think reyes should be in the 2 hole. Won’t take anything away from his speed (stealing, disrupting pitchers, getting the next guy FBs), but better utilize his power and “hackability”
If slappy and murphy are still playing when Beltran comes back, I see a line up something like this:
Castillo/reyes/wright/bay/beltran/frenchy/murphy/catcher.
You can also flip flop bay and beltran. And if Ike is up then, he fits right into the 7 hole.
Today, you could do the same line up, but with frenchy and pagan 5/6 (either order) and the 1B poo poo platter 7th.
But, castillo/pagan/reyes/wright/bay/frenchy/jacobs/catcher is doable, if RH heavy in the middle. I would love if they just took Castillo and stuck him 8th, making it pagan/reyes/wright.
although in the 2 spot, pagan gives a lot of the same attributes as Reyes, so reyes/pagan is about the same.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
I don’t quite understand the definition of “true” lead off hitter. Wasn’t Reyes the best lead off hitter in the league in ’06 and ’07? I think the only reason Castillo could be considered as the lead off guy is because of his OBP. But Reyes is much faster in the basepaths and can create a lot more runs than Castillo IMO. I think the way Castillo approaches the plate along with Reyes on base is the best combo that the Mets can have.
stickguy
4/16/2010-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
bunting him ove rto 2nd in the 1st inning?
Just MHO put a guy who’s 1 offensive skill is getting to first base should be hitting lead off, and getting on in front of guys that can actually drive the ball.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
not only bunting him over, but taking pitches, giving Reyes a chance to steal bases (which I still think is the biggest strength of Reyes).
My point is that the thought process of deciding the lineup should depend on maximizing the return you get out of your star players first and the think about the rest. Not the other way around.
What do you think will have more positive impact on the team = winning more games? Maximizing Reyes or Maximizing Castillo? And I think only way to maximize Reyes is to bat him leadoff.
stickguy
4/16/2010-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
well, I say maximaize both, and IMO that means castillo 1st and reyes 2nd.
So, in this case, I guess we can agree to disagree!
CaseStreet
4/16/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
There’s a theory that Reyes will get more fastballs to hit w/ Wright behind him.
Also, Reyes gets alot of hits but since he leadsoff, he doesn’t get many RBIs. So by dropping him down, he’ll get more RBI opportunities.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
I realize that. But let’s compare what would be more beneficial to the team.
Reyes creating more runs vs Reyes driving in more runs.
Add that to what impact it might have to his swing, approach to the game, and impact on other players. I just don’t think it’s worth it. Especially when it’s only for 1 1/2 months.
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
I don’t mind trying Reyes at 3rd as long as Reyes is committed to trying it. And no reason he shouldn’t be willing to try it. Nothing has to be set in stone. If it doesn’t work out, he can always go back to lead off.
CaseStreet
4/16/2010-10:56am at 10:56 am (UTC -4)
possibly. Ultimately, it’ll only be until Beltran comes back. Don’t know if it would screw him up to try it out for a little bit.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-10:59am at 10:59 am (UTC -4)
But I don’t think the Mets should be in the “let’s try it out” mode right now with one of the star player.
darknova306
4/16/2010-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
They need to be in “this offense needs a jump start” mode. I miss the days of scoring all those first inning runs. The Reyes LoDuca combo at the top of the lineup was something special.
CaseStreet
4/16/2010-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
Why not? The offense has been okay, just having trouble driving in runs.
If doing this improves driving in runs, I’m down with it.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
But what if it doesn’t improve driving in runs but only messes up Reyes and his feel for the game?
stickguy
4/16/2010-12:25pm at 12:25 pm (UTC -4)
he always hit like a middle order guy anyway.
Not like slappy, trying to beat it into the infield, work out walks instead of hits, etc.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
But Castillo lacks speed and threat on the basepaths.
If OBP is the pure reason why Castillo should be leading off, then Nick Johnson should leadoff for the Yankees and Dunn should leadoff for the Nats.
Nick Johnson hits #2 in the Yankees order is because he takes pitches and walks a lot infront of Tex and ARoid. I think same logic should work with the Mets.
darknova306
4/16/2010-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
Don’t worry, Prismo, I’m not flip-flopping. Season’s still over.
stickguy
4/16/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
you and Kingman been taking the float out to the woods and drinking moonshine in it again?
darknova306
4/16/2010-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
Kegs of homebrewed beer, man!
stickguy
4/16/2010-12:25pm at 12:25 pm (UTC -4)
well then, save me a seat!
ceetar
4/16/2010-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
As long as we’re talking about Maine (we are now)
I was listening to..the broadcastof the Yankees game the next day and they were talking about Vasquez, his velocity being 88-89ish, and how he’s going to alter his delivery with the pitching coach because that’s why he’s lost a couple of MPH.
sound familiar?
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-11:40am at 11:40 am (UTC -4)
We should try to trade Maine for Vazquez. They have the same problem and same record. Maine is younger and cheaper and under contract.
Omar! Get it done and we won’t bash you again until next year!
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-12:29pm at 12:29 pm (UTC -4)
Well, if they’re having the same problem, why would we want to do that? Maine, as you say, is under contract and cheaper.
BTW, MF stated before the season started that Vazquez was going to win 20 games this year – that he would out pitch Pettitte and Burnett
stickguy
4/16/2010-12:32pm at 12:32 pm (UTC -4)
still has time.
my prediction is that petite and burnett both break down with injuries this year.
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know about Burnett but I’m thinking this might be the year that age catches up to the Yankees. Posada, Rivera, Pettitte, maybe Jeter.
And BTW…I’m always spelling Pettitte(?) wrong. Went to two different Yankees site and each had a different spelling. What’s up with that?
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
I was hoping my justification could get us Vasquez.
CaseStreet
4/16/2010-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
Re: Jose batting third.
Since the goal is to get Jose to drive in more runs by batting him third, you could do the same by having Pagan hit 8th or 9th.
I wonder if Jerry would be ballsy enough to go:
Reyes-Castillo-Wright-Bay-Frenchy-Jacobs-Barajas-Pitcher-Pagan
ceetar
4/16/2010-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
But where’s the guy to bat the mini-leadoff hitter Pagan over? That’s why he’s 8th, so the pitcher can bat him over, cause that’s what a #2 hitter does.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-12:19pm at 12:19 pm (UTC -4)
I would much rather go with that lineup than to have Reyes bat 3rd. You don’t need to have Reyes adjust to batting 3rd in the lineup as well as other hitters in the lineup.
I know Pagan could be a good lead off guy, but he’s not an all-star caliber type of guy like Reyes. I think he’s just as effective batting 8th or 9th.
stickguy
4/16/2010-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
I still can’t see the logic of giving the pitcher and subsequent PHs more ABs than a guy that had an .800+ ops last year.
CaseStreet
4/16/2010-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
One response is that it’s not about getting the pitcher more ABs but the result of having a high OPS guy in front of Reyes instead of lows OPS guys like Frenchy and Barajas.
stickguy
4/16/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
simple solution to that.
Go castillo, pagan then reyes.
Tons of OBP in front of reyes, and speed so when he hits for extra bases he wont lap them.
and I don’t think it matter who is on base in front of catillo. they will only be playing 1 base at a time anyway.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
Let me ask you this.
Who’s a better leadoff hitter? Pagan, Castillo or Reyes?
Who’s a better #3 hitter? Wright or Reyes?
Who do you think scores more runs if they were all leading off? Pagan, Castillo or Reyes?
stickguy
4/16/2010-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
simple answer. it depends.
You want the best lead off hitter, it would be Wright. Plenty of speed, highest OBP.
honestly, you need to define the criteria of what you want in a particular spot in the order, and you can’t look at it in the abstract, since the 8 guys are fixed, you only get to shuffle them around.
But, based on OBP being the most important # for a lead off guy, and the fact that IMO he is useless elsewhere, castillo.
beyond that, Pagan and reyes (pagan last year in his relatively FT gig) had a very similar OBP.
I already said that IMO th eideal spot for Reyes is in the 2 hole. he can do everything that he does leading off, but will have more opportunities to drive in runs too.
by mid year, I could live with: Castillo (since we are stuck with him)/reyes/wright/bay/beltran/frenchy/davis/catcher
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-1:16pm at 1:16 pm (UTC -4)
You have a good point on #2 guy’s role. But I just think regardless of what the situation is Reyes is the best leadoff guy on the Mets roster. Yes OBP is important, but there are other factors like base stealing ability, ability to hit for doubles & triples, etc. And I think if you combine all of that, Reyes is the best guy at the leadoff spot.
stickguy
4/16/2010-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
it would be a much easier decision if they weren’t carrying a slappy in the line up. If you aren’t trying to hide a 1 dimensional weak hitter, you can use guys differently.
stickguy
4/16/2010-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
I am also guessing that you like the idea of the 2 hole guy just taking tons of pitches, and giving himself up to get the lead off guy over 1 base (IOW, giving up one of the precious 27 outs).
Personally, I hate that. I want a 2 hole guy that can get on base, but also drive the ball (even if it is a doubles machine, not that interested in HRs there).
saltygary
4/16/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
BOBBY V BOBBY V BOBBY V
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/16/2010-1:37pm at 1:37 pm (UTC -4)
Speaking of Reyes batting 3rd, I did not catch this, but Reyes said that he’s not sure if he’ll be ready for it this weekend. He also said that Jerry hasn’t told him anything.
Just how long do we have to put up with this Jerry non-sense. The guy clearly is not capable of managing players.
ceetar
4/16/2010-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
actually, he said Jerry told him he’d be ready. But i heard today taht Manuel’s backing down on the idea for now.
Reyes said he’s not ready. Frenchy said Reyes should be first (and coached Pelfrey). Maine had no clue Manuel was thinking of taking him out of teh rotation. Is it really so hard for Omar/Jeffrey to realize that Manuel has long ago lost the respect of his players and needs to be replaced?
stickguy
4/16/2010-1:57pm at 1:57 pm (UTC -4)
apparently it is hard.
or quite possibly, they know it, and don’t care (or at least don’t care enough to make the move, either for $$ reasons or the disruption/embarrassment?)
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
I see Jeff Franeour has come out and said no way does he want to see Reyes batting third – according to the Post. Said he’s the most ‘dynamic’ leadoff hitter in the game and he wants to see him stay there.
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-2:07pm at 2:07 pm (UTC -4)
And did anyone read Jon Heyman’s latest post concerning Jerry’s seat ‘heating up’?
It’s quotes like this from Jerry that make me crazy:
“St. Louis is always tough. If we can win two out of three, that will be outstanding. If we win one, I’ll take it.”
Why would you publicly state that? No matter how you felt confidence wise about your team going into this series, wouldn’t it be getter to say something like ‘we’re going in there and try to win all 3′? Or at least to stop at his first sentence of taking 2 out of 3?
metsfan4decades
4/16/2010-2:10pm at 2:10 pm (UTC -4)
He finishes up with:
‘Club officials believe that the team is playing hard for Manuel. That wasn’t really an issue last season, either. But there were questions last year about whether the team was always playing smart.’
‘Manuel, for his part, has not lost his calm, or even his humor, even once. His serenity at a time like this says something remarkable about the man. He is a good and confident manager, his bosses agree. But last year’s postmortem, when Mets ownership expressed their disappointment and sought results, is still fresh and memorable.’
stickguy
4/16/2010-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
He might be confident, but I see no evidence that he is good.
And player’s play hard for themselves (pride, ego, paycheck) and their team mates. And becasue most of them are overly competitive.
Playing smart goes right back to the manager. As does saying stupid things, and making poor strategic moves.
Overall, still a Jidiot.