According to Metsblog, Ike Davis will join the Mets tomorrow
The Savior? The Spark? The Rookie?
Apr 18
BREAKING NEWS: IKE DAVIS TO JOIN METS THIS WEEK
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metsfan4decades
4/18/2010-11:30pm at 11:30 pm (UTC -4)
Just saw that myself. Came here to report it. As usual, you guys are right on top of it.
Oh, here we go…..
rustyjr
4/18/2010-11:32pm at 11:32 pm (UTC -4)
I hope he’s ready
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:34pm at 11:34 pm (UTC -4)
link is broken Cerrone changed it to this
http://www.metsblog.com/2010/04/18/news-ike-davis-to-join-mets-this-week/
dirtysanchez
4/18/2010-11:38pm at 11:38 pm (UTC -4)
thanks jerz, updated it now.
smooth
4/18/2010-11:35pm at 11:35 pm (UTC -4)
told you so dirty =) LETS GO IKE DAVIS!!
dirtysanchez
4/18/2010-11:38pm at 11:38 pm (UTC -4)
LOL…glad i didnt put any money on it lol…good guess. Now if you can be so kind and give me a random assortment of 6 numbers lol
stickguy
4/18/2010-11:39pm at 11:39 pm (UTC -4)
could have saved a lot of debate in the dugout if they posted this earlier.
Stoner back down? Too much to ask for to send mejia.
still say they should free carter. just say screw it. Cut catalanato too, and bring up carter. Keep getting younger if nothing else!
asod75
4/18/2010-11:40pm at 11:40 pm (UTC -4)
Let’s cut the Cat and bring up Carter, Cut Tatis and bring up Evans. Let’s go younger. Sick of all these moldy old has beens……
dirtysanchez
4/18/2010-11:40pm at 11:40 pm (UTC -4)
I still stand by my opinion. I dont agree with this move at all. Mets are 4-8, this kid is going to be viewed as the savior of the franchise when in fact he is a rookie making his major league debut. Not to mention the fact that he is being managed by someone who thought jacobs should bat 5th and frank as cleanup. I will hope for the best but I dont like this move at this time. Will be interesting to see what happens when murph gets back or if the kid doesnt hit MAJOR league pitching. I see fmart pt 2….
asod75
4/18/2010-11:49pm at 11:49 pm (UTC -4)
The one thing I will say Dirty is at least Ike has had some success and did so for an entire year last year. His approach is a bit better than F-Mart’s, so I think he’ll hold his own. He shouldn’t be viewed as a savior, given the idiots that are running the team, no one can save this mess. But I am optimistic, just wish Carter could come up, too.
dirtysanchez
4/18/2010-11:54pm at 11:54 pm (UTC -4)
he shouldnt be viewed as the savior but you know he will be…im sure that has something to do with him being called up in the first place. I just think its alot of pressure that can be avoided…its alot of risk asking a kid to come in 12 games into a season and expect him to produce at a major league level with 0 experience. In the long run, ike is our future…no debating that…but in the short term, this is the wrong situation to bring him up. Huge potential for him to fail and then what…back to murphy and ike goes back to obscurity ala evans…im hopeful for the best but this was not the right time to bring him up.
gategem
4/19/2010-12:07am at 12:07 am (UTC -4)
Davis at 23 is no longer a baby. The Braves savior is all of 20 and Doc Gooden was 19 when he pitched in the majors. And stopping making Evans out to be the next Babe Ruth whose career was ruined by the Mets mishandling.
The number of players that were brought up to the majors, then sent down to the minors and later brought up that had successful careers is too long for me to bother to list here. I doubt very much if Davis’ career will be destroyed by this.
dirtysanchez
4/19/2010-12:24am at 12:24 am (UTC -4)
Im just referring to players that have come up to incredible hype that have not lived up to it at first. Lets not forget, the only reason this kid is being called up is because THE WHOLE TEAM is not hitting. If the team was hitting, a black hole at 1b would be overlooked. Braves “savior” is their top prospect…wheres ours? In the minors in favor for gary matthews? I never made out evans to be babe ruth, im just saying when murphy took off, evans was in a slump that saw him go from AAA to AA. Ike is no evans, not saying he his but i just do not agree bringing him up under THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. Ike was going to be our starting 1bman next year no matter what murphy did, why not make him as prepaired as possible for the full time job.
I can see manuel platooning him against lefties which is going to hinder his development. Not saying that is right, im just saying it is very realistic that jerry will do that and lets not even begin to discuss where he will bat in the lineup. Under this manager and this situation i would have rather liked them to promote chris who has some mlb experience and let Ike be groomed to the max for next year or earliest in September for a look.
This will not destroy ikes career but the odds are high that this “experiment” can hinder what his bottom line can be.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:31am at 12:31 am (UTC -4)
Well different people rate prospects differently, but according to Toby Hyde our “top prospect” just got called up to the major leagues. FMar, our # 2 prospect, is in the minors.
Another big difference is that the Mets actually have viable outfielders on the major league roster. They don’t have viable 1B on it. Davis is not being blocked by anyone, FMart is.
dirtysanchez
4/19/2010-12:37am at 12:37 am (UTC -4)
blocked by gmj, pagan or frenchy? I see your point grave, I just dont agree with this decision 12 games into the season, 4 games under .500, a team not hitting and coming off of a 70 win season…
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:48am at 12:48 am (UTC -4)
Blocked by Bay, Beltran, Francoeur, Pagan and GMJ. FMart would have to be sent down when Beltran came back or be a part-time player (or they’d have to trade Frenchy cuz they ain’t trading Bay or Beltran soon), so it’s more difficult to put FMart onto the ML team and keep him there if his play warrants it. If Davis’ play warrants his staying it’s easy to keep him.
As someone noted elsewhere in this thread, plenty of viable major league players didn’t do well their first call up, went down, got better then came back up and stuck.
Apparently all of my fantastic foolproof points aren’t assuaging your fear so I’ll just stop trying for now and let Ike’s performance take care of that over time.
dirtysanchez
4/19/2010-12:50am at 12:50 am (UTC -4)
I dont doubt his potential grave, i just dont like the timing thats all.
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:41pm at 11:41 pm (UTC -4)
Cerrone quotes Rubin to say
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5110029
“Mets officials have resolved to promote heralded prospect Ike Davis to Citi Field this week, team sources told ESPNNewYork.com.”
“When it’s time for him to come up, he just needs to remember to come in and do what he’s done his whole career,” Wright said, reflecting on the pressure a hyped prospect faces in New York. “I know there are expectations. I know there is going to be a lot of pressure. But he seems like he’s a tremendous player, a great guy, and will do well at this level.”
Asked if Davis was the obvious candidate for a promotion, Manuel said: “He is an exciting young talent. We’ve witnessed some young talents do well so far here at the major league level. He’s exciting.”
metsfan4decades
4/18/2010-11:59pm at 11:59 pm (UTC -4)
Said Jacobs: “I obviously didn’t see it coming.”
You have to wonder….do some of these guys see the big picture, not just their own personal situation? Has he not seen the Mets offensive struggles so far and the 5th place spot we’re currently occupying?
Mind boggling….
gategem
4/19/2010-12:20am at 12:20 am (UTC -4)
When hitting he also didn’t see the pitches very well either.
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:44pm at 11:44 pm (UTC -4)
Ugh Cerrone tweeted the following,
OK, bedtime… big day at the ballpark tomorrow, filming Verizon segment and hoping to see Ike Davis. See you in the morning!
WTF does any1 give a flying fu*k?
prismo
4/18/2010-11:45pm at 11:45 pm (UTC -4)
Then don’t follow him.
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:46pm at 11:46 pm (UTC -4)
I am not
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:48pm at 11:48 pm (UTC -4)
I see his tweet when I am checkin tweets out on sportsspyder.
Do you really think id follow him if i had a twitter account to follow him with?
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:46pm at 11:46 pm (UTC -4)
Does Ike coming Up mean an end to “FREE CARTER”?
stickguy
4/18/2010-11:47pm at 11:47 pm (UTC -4)
no, we still have cat clogging up the roster, so still hope.
stickguy
4/18/2010-11:46pm at 11:46 pm (UTC -4)
I am OK with this move, depending.
depending on what the plan is.
Is Ike just here until murphy comes back and then he goes down (like f mart last year?)
Is he being handed the job, and unless he totally bombs, murphy is out of a job?
regardless of the answer to the above, is jerry just going to platoon him with tatis, or will they let him sink or swim playing everyday?
As long as they are going to play him FT, then what the hell. If they are calling him up to just face Rh pitchers, it is a very bad idea, since the big reason he went down was practice hitting lefties.
And somehow, I just don’t have faith that Omar and company fully thought it out, and that Jerry will use him per plan (or the right way).
asod75
4/18/2010-11:50pm at 11:50 pm (UTC -4)
Murph should start getting work in at second, third, and yes the outfield again to become a super-sub type of guy. I think he’s more suited to this role anyway.
dirtysanchez
4/18/2010-11:50pm at 11:50 pm (UTC -4)
according to adam…it looks like they are giving him a shot to win 1b and demote murph for him to work on being more versatile in the hopes he will be a utility man.
GravediggerHebner
4/18/2010-11:56pm at 11:56 pm (UTC -4)
That’s the TRS plan. I wish Murphy good luck at that, sincerely. He could be a great benefit to this franchise in that role if while learning to field the various positions he rediscovers his OBP skills, that thing he was most touted for coming up and what he demonstrated very well in 2008.
stickguy
4/19/2010-12:09am at 12:09 am (UTC -4)
well, if he hits like he did at the end of last year, and can prove to be at least passable at different positions with the glove, he should be way better than Cat.
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:49pm at 11:49 pm (UTC -4)
listening to Manuel someone jokes on twitter that they were makin Manuel’s coffin with all that hammering
metsfan4decades
4/18/2010-11:55pm at 11:55 pm (UTC -4)
Oh….LOL.
I heard that banging when Jerry was talking on the post game.
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:50pm at 11:50 pm (UTC -4)
Manuel said we have to turn the offense up…. a notch.
Just a notch?
asod75
4/18/2010-11:54pm at 11:54 pm (UTC -4)
I’m turning my middle finger up several notches toward Mr. Manuel. That lineup was beyond pathetic…..
GravediggerHebner
4/18/2010-11:53pm at 11:53 pm (UTC -4)
Not including tonight’s game, this is what the Mets have got from 1B so far in 2010:
44 AB, 1 R, 7 H, 2 2B, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 3 SB (?), 4 BB, 14 K, .159/.229/.273
So Davis doesn’t have to be a savior or anything remotely like a savior. He just has to field competently, which spring training errors notwithstanding is his reputation, and hit slightly better than the putrid line you see above. It really shouldn’t be too hard for him to do that.
dirtysanchez
4/18/2010-11:54pm at 11:54 pm (UTC -4)
you know it wont be viewed as that tho grave…this kid is viewed as the savior to this team due to its lack of offense.
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:57pm at 11:57 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t necessarily agree i think he is viewed more of the guy that will end the Murphy at 1st era then the guy that will save us.
Saving us is something that No minor leaguer can do at this point.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:00am at 12:00 am (UTC -4)
Not by me.
A lot will depend on how Jerry employs him. If he f@cking bats him 4th or 5th right away that puts undue pressure on the kid. Stick him at 7th and let him get his feet wet.
Any fan who views a 23 year old with zero MLB experience as a savior is not very smart (no offense to the dumb people who believe he’s a savior).
Mr North Jersey
4/19/2010-12:02am at 12:02 am (UTC -4)
+10
dirtysanchez
4/19/2010-12:14am at 12:14 am (UTC -4)
these are the same fans that booed santana..
intelligent fans will realize the situation at hand but i doubt we are the minority of the fan base. The first sign of trouble, the kid will get killed. Then again, its not like there are alot of people in citi field these days…
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:22am at 12:22 am (UTC -4)
I think the son of a major leaguer, especially a major leaguer who played part of his career in NYC, and who spent time in MLB clubhouses as a kid growing up, and still has his father around to speak to for advice if he wishes, will be OK with what drunken idiot fans spew at him at Citi.
I get your concern, and I believe that the fans you describe exist and will make their presence known, but with Davis specifically I worry about that less than I do with others. Mejia has demonstrated a maturity beyond his years too. These are the “new” baby Mets, not the Eddie Kunz’s and Nick Evans’ of the world.
dirtysanchez
4/19/2010-12:26am at 12:26 am (UTC -4)
Im hoping for the best grave…
gategem
4/19/2010-12:17am at 12:17 am (UTC -4)
BTW Bobby Cox once made the point that when a kid that’s been successful in the minors is brought up he tries to bat him as close as possible to the position he batted in the minors. Cox claimed the player felt more comfortable that way.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:19am at 12:19 am (UTC -4)
Jason Heyward batted close to 7th I guess?
gategem
4/19/2010-12:28am at 12:28 am (UTC -4)
The key is “as possible.†When you have a lineup with hitters that have had success at the major league level it may not be possible to bat a rookie in a position that is being manned very well by another player without causing problems with the veteran player. I’m sure that Cox does not manage in a vacuum.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:38am at 12:38 am (UTC -4)
I agree with you on Cox, I have a tremendous amount of respect for his work. I just have no access to old minor league box scores and have no idea where Heyward batted.
The Mets, in my opinion and despite the woeful early season production of this offense, have capable people to bat 3rd and 4th so I don’t think Davis will need to be asked to do that.
Just for fun I looked up the box score of David Wright’s first MLB game, in which he batted 7th. Ty Wigginton batted 3rd, Cliff Floyd 4th, Richard Hidalgo 5th. Within about 2 weeks Wright was moved up to 6th, and his 1st game batting 3rd was the 46th game of his career.
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:55pm at 11:55 pm (UTC -4)
Listening to Lori Rubinson I like her.
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:59pm at 11:59 pm (UTC -4)
Let’s see do we next call up Carter and platoon both Carter and Davis at 1st?
Mr North Jersey
4/18/2010-11:59pm at 11:59 pm (UTC -4)
Bye Cat.
asod75
4/19/2010-12:01am at 12:01 am (UTC -4)
You wouldn’t platoon them since they’re both lefties, but Carter would be a better option off the bench.
Mr North Jersey
4/19/2010-12:05am at 12:05 am (UTC -4)
Your right I keep forgetting that.
Mr North Jersey
4/19/2010-12:07am at 12:07 am (UTC -4)
Carter saying why not me? I can hit too u kno.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/19/2010-12:16am at 12:16 am (UTC -4)
In Jerry’s book, LHB LHB platoon may work…
stickguy
4/19/2010-12:05am at 12:05 am (UTC -4)
oh well. let’s see what happens.
I am actually seeing a positive. Even if he doesn’t hit much, no downgrade from what they were getting. But having a “real” 1B playing everyday should help solidify the infield defense. And there really is something to be said for that.
And I know it goes against the met fan grain, but let’s hope for the best. Other teams move in their top prospect and it works. Maybe it is the met’s turn. if he ends up being another wright, a huge bonus for the team.
If he gets slotted in (maybe the 6 hole?) and left alone, hopefully he gets some hits, and settles right in defensively, and they can basically just forget about him, and move on to fixing other problems.
Mr North Jersey
4/19/2010-12:10am at 12:10 am (UTC -4)
I remember when Wright was called up and like Davis Wright had a torrid Fall League and Followed it up with a great Start to the minor league season and fans were calling for him by the end of the month. Lets hope Davis like Wright rewards the Mets for bringing him up.
dirtysanchez
4/19/2010-12:13am at 12:13 am (UTC -4)
we can only hope ikes career shadows wrights
stickguy
4/19/2010-12:16am at 12:16 am (UTC -4)
well, if he does come up, at least it will give the fans something new to obsess about.
and even if he wasn’t quite ready, just let him finish learning in the majors. Gonna have to handle it at some point.
I think he is going to hold his own. Might be a touch fugly at first with lefties, but won’t get better unless you try it.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:15am at 12:15 am (UTC -4)
Davis beat his ASU teammate Brett Wallace, who was picked 5 spots ahead of him in the 2008 draft, to the majors. But Wallace may not be far behind: in 9 games at AAA Las Vegas he has 4 home runs, is batting .303 with an OPS of 1.092.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/19/2010-12:18am at 12:18 am (UTC -4)
Wow Carter just can’t get a break. I guess Jerry/Omar are seeing something different from us on Carter.
I’m still on the fence on Ike. But whatever.. he’ll be better option than Jacobs/Tatis/Cat.
njstuckintx
4/19/2010-12:36am at 12:36 am (UTC -4)
what was the purpose of trading Wagner for a guy we refuse to utilize. Would have preferred the draft picks if we weren’t going to do anything with the return.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:40am at 12:40 am (UTC -4)
He’s organizational depth. If Catalanotto pulls a hammy I believe very strongly Carter is the guy called up to replace him. If Catalanotto continues to bat .125 Carter’s time will come.
njstuckintx
4/19/2010-12:43am at 12:43 am (UTC -4)
I sure hope so. I’m anti-retread these days.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:50am at 12:50 am (UTC -4)
Me too. Those damn things litter our interstates.
dirtysanchez
4/19/2010-12:52am at 12:52 am (UTC -4)
Just wondering what does Cat have over carter at this point. He is not a defensive wiz at 1b as we saw tonight and he plays OF. Last time i checked i believe chris plays 1b and outfield…just wondering
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/19/2010-9:15am at 9:15 am (UTC -4)
My point exactly. Carter has options, so that’s working against him I guess. And Cat is a more “experienced” pinch hitter.
stickguy
4/19/2010-12:38am at 12:38 am (UTC -4)
gee kistics, really setting the bar high there I see!
It must be like what the guy that had to replace Cal Ripken felt like.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:41am at 12:41 am (UTC -4)
Wow a Manny Alexander reference!
gategem
4/19/2010-12:50am at 12:50 am (UTC -4)
If I may paraphrase a Jim Gordon to Big Whistle comment:
Heb, reading your comments is like going to college.
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-12:54am at 12:54 am (UTC -4)
{Chadwick once criticized Rangers center Gene Carr, saying Carr “couldn’t put the puck in the ocean.†Carr was later traded to the California Golden Seals and scored a goal against the Blueshirts in a game at Oakland that Chadwick was calling.
“I thought you said Carr couldn’t put the puck in the ocean,” Gordon said during the broadcast.
“Well,” Chadwick responded, “it’s a bigger ocean out here.”}
Flattery will get you everywhere Gategem!
njstuckintx
4/19/2010-12:58am at 12:58 am (UTC -4)
you busting out the mae west?
GravediggerHebner
4/19/2010-1:06am at 1:06 am (UTC -4)
“Marriage is a great institution, but I’m not ready for an institution.”
trs86
4/19/2010-8:19am at 8:19 am (UTC -4)
As much as I wanted Carter to be here I think the issue was more that they needed a real 1B too. Carter while not a great defender, freely admits that LF is his position and 1B is a work in progress. That’s not any better defensively than what we have. While Ike (good debate in TRDD last night) may not be polished at 1B he is at least a 1B. So now the question becomes where will Jerry bat him? Perhaps 10th so he could essentially be 3rd like he was in the minors?
trs86
4/19/2010-8:22am at 8:22 am (UTC -4)
So lets play with the lineup a little now.
Pagan, Castillo, Reyes, Wright, Bay, Frenchy, Davis, Barjas
Reyes, Pagan, Wright, Bay, Frenchy, Davis, Barjas, Castillo?
That way Castillo is batting 2nd lead off?
njstuckintx
4/19/2010-8:43am at 8:43 am (UTC -4)
He’ll prob run with Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Bay, Frenchy, Davis, Barajas, Pagan. Possibly flopping Davis and Barajas. For me, I’d run with Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Bay, Frenchy, Pagan, Davis, Barajas if I wasn’t going to mess with the lineup too much. I’d prefer Pagan in the 2 spot and Castillo in the 8 hole, but that ain’t happening.
trs86
4/19/2010-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
My fear with Davis (and I have him there in both lineups so…) is being infront of a guy like Barjas. He will see no FB.
Perhaps you put him 2nd and take the Willie Randolph approach of using 2nd to get a guy going?
njstuckintx
4/19/2010-8:59am at 8:59 am (UTC -4)
He’s already going though!
Put Bay 2nd if that is the case.
stickguy
4/19/2010-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
except he doesn’t ever seem to prject as a 2 ole hitter. And I don’t think Jerry plays that particular game.
My theory? If they are bringing him up this early, it is almost sink or swim, play everyday. And if he can’t hit a beaking ball or LHP at the ML level, he won’t have a very long cup of coffee.
I wonder if Jerry will just hit him 5th, since that was Jacobs spot, and to keep with the break up the RH batter idea? Might be less likely to see a LH relief pitcher that way.
7 makes sense, but I don’t want the catcher 6th, and they don’t seem to want to bat C 8th.
So it looks like bunch the righties, and hit him 6th. Just please god, stick with defense first, and don’t platoon the kid.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/19/2010-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
Perhaps you can put Ike at 7th behind Rod, so you have Catillo/Pagan behind him?
But considering Jerry’s love for lefty righty mix, I think the lineup would look more like this. Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Bay, Ike, Frenchy, Rod, Pagan.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/19/2010-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
Maybe I’m wrong, but I really hope Jerry doesn’t platoon Ike with Tatis on regular basis.
trs86
4/19/2010-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
Agreed, to me that’s a fire able offense. I guess his rational could be get him going vs RH pitchers first to build confidence but that’s a recipe for disaster. The guy has only had about 10 PA this season vs LH. Only way he will get better is to see them more.
DNDJohan aka kistics
4/19/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
But you know Jerry’s love for matchups. It’s not like Jerry haven’t committed fire able offense this season. I agree that Ike has to see LHP more often to get better. Otherwise he’ll turn out to be a platoon 1B. That would suck.