DAVISMANIA RUNNING WILD!!
Before the Mets called up Ike Davis, Mets were 4-8. Since the Mets have called up Ike Davis however(get ready for this), Mets have been 8-1!!!!! I was highly critical with the timing of bringing this young man up to the bigs, out of concern that he should be left in the minors to develop a bit more for a full time job next year and because of our manager’s inclination to use platoons. Boy, is this kid making me look bad. The kid is batting .333 with a home run and 5 RBI’s. Now, putting this into perspective, the Mets pitching staff(for the most part) have been fantastic and the new lineup has aided getting some guys out of their coma’s but the kids impact has been undeniable at this point. The kid belongs up here, I have no more doubt about it…and now excuse me while I have my breakfast, courtesy of Ike Davis
Ill take two cream and two sugar please...
52 comments
udontmesswthejohan
4/28/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
He’s been terrific, no doubt about it. I guess I would have to disagree with you regarding leaving him down (well, at this point, I guess we can all agree on that). My thinking was that he clearly earned a job in ST, while Jacobs and Murphy did not. Even then, I was all right with giving the starting job to Muph, but once he went down, there was no reason at all why Davis shouldn’t have come north with the team.
Again, he hit the cover off the ball in ST, and he’s an everyday player. I think the whole, he needs more seasoning argument works much better for a pitcher than an everyday player. And yet, the Mets brough Mejia north and opted to send the first baseman down. A position I might add that was wholly understaffed, as evidenced by the Jacobs/Tatis/Cat experiment.
Anyway you slice it, I think Jerry/Omar got this one wrong. Kudos to them for recognizing their mistake and bringing him up. I look forward to watching this kid for what I hope is a good long while.
dirtysanchez
4/28/2010-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
yea i mean…at this point, its kinda hard to argue that they should have left him down with the way he is doing up here. There was no doubt this kid was going to get the full time job next year but i just didnt want another fmart or milledge situation to happen with a guy that will lock up what is a shallow position for us. Throw in also Manuel’s liking to use tatis as a platoon partner no matter what and the team offensively stinking at the time and that was a bad situation to walk into for a kid trying to prove himself at a major league level…add also Manuel’s tendency to bench kids coming up(unless you throw 95mph or higher), Manuel managing for his job and having chris carter who has some major league experience…I didnt want this kid to waste his time up here on the bench(because of tatis and jerry) while he could be getting the reps in up at buffalo and let a guy like chris ride the pine because he will be nothing more than a bench player for us anyway. That was my reasoning for the opposition to bringing him up but he is making me eat crow now so lol…
Kingman 26
4/28/2010-9:26am at 9:26 am (UTC -4)
Hey, where did you get the picture of Rusty having a pre-gig snack with his band?
dirtysanchez
4/28/2010-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
ahhahaahah…not nice king ;p
rustyjr
4/28/2010-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
Huh !?! Bring it on mc kong lol
Kingman 26
4/28/2010-9:39am at 9:39 am (UTC -4)
LOL! Just kidding of course!
Just kind of looked like a nice pre-gig meal, that’s all!
And Rusty, I saw you got another shot of me riding around Queens in the Float…I was following Omar and saw him step into that laundromat.
stickguy
4/28/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
I think havinga “real” defensive 1B has helped a lot, giving the infield some stability.
Plus, almost as good as having Davis in the lineup, is that it means that Jacobs and Tatis are NOT in there!
I am just thankful he got a hit off a lefty his first chance, and a few more since, otherwise I am sure Jerry’s itchy platoon finger would have pulled the trigger.
But, don’t get me started again on the Mejia idiocy…
So, who is the next guy to come up to replace a stiff? I figure Murphy, Evans, Carter and Pridie are viable options. And Cat and GMjr. are dead wood for the most part. I am thinking Murphy for Cat and we are stuck forever with GM, until a real CF (beltran or saizmore) shows up to replace him.
Otherwise, at least 1 new SP soon, and maybe a pen shuffle, and this is the team you will keep seeing on a daily basis. No platoons.
trs86
4/28/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
LOL at Saizmore.
udontmesswthejohan
4/28/2010-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, you have to figure that Murphy will take Cat’s place, and I agree that GMJ isn’t going anywhere for the time being. To be honest, I’m actually ok with him in his current role. I just had a problem with him getting too many starts at the expense of Pagan at the beginning of the year.
trs86
4/28/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
I am not happy with Cat or GMJR because I think we have better players that could fill their roles. Especially Cat.
As for Murphy, I think he has to go to AAA for a little while and play some 2B, 3B, OF.
fongy2
4/28/2010-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
Agreed!
I have been lying low and just enjoying
this so far.
Very surprised
HOW this team has won 9of11
given the lack
of production from Reyes,Wright
and especially
Bay so far.
All do seem to be breaking out of it though.
Lets get this sweep today AND
smack the Phils around
this weekend!
trs86
4/28/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Here here Fongy.
metsfan4decades
4/28/2010-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
Sounds like a plan to me!
udontmesswthejohan
4/28/2010-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
I agree re: Cat. Seems like a nice guy, and he’s had a nice career, but at this point, I don’t know how you can argue that there aren’t more qualified guys in the minor leagues. As far as GMJ goes, well, yeah he doesn’t give you much with the bat, but to be fair, he’s played good defense and i don’t have a problem with him playing once a week or coming of the bench for a pinch hit late in games.
With regard to Murph, yes, sending him down is another option. I’ve been saying for the alst couple of years that if he could just learn to play a servicable second base, that would do wonders for this team and lineup. that’s not taking a shot at Castillo, who has played well, but I just think the lineup would have mroe pop with Murphy in there in his place. Honestly though, if it hasn’t clicked yet, that ship may have sailed for the Murphman. I hope I’m wrong, cause it would be really nice to see, but it’s n uphill battle for him at this point.
oleosmirf
4/28/2010-10:45am at 10:45 am (UTC -4)
I dont believe Murphy has any future as anything but a PH with the Mets. Davis is the 1B for good and Havens, Tejada and maybe Satin are the future 2B and we all know he is a tremendous liability in the OF.
That said, we dont need Murphy to play the field as he can be the backup 1B/primary PH and can play 2B/3B/LF/RF only in emergency situations.
I envision Murphy going to AAA for a few week and then eventually taking Catalanatto’s roster spot. Then if/when Beltran ever returns, Matthews will get the boot…
stickguy
4/28/2010-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
that job description is pretty much all Cat does. Without the hitting part, of course.
Kingman 26
4/28/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
How about Mejia to replace Maine after one more crappy start. Keep Taka in the pen; let Maine come out of the pen.
How about FMart to play CF NOW. Pagan is definitely valuable as a 4th OF. He is rapidly showing yet again that he is a bench player, not a starter. GMJ has done a nice job of rehabilitating the reputations of those of us who wanted him nowhere near the team. The Angels want to give up a guy AND give us $20 million to take him? Yeah, that’s a guy we should want.
Get FMart up now, and we can all forget about Beltran who, mark my words, will show up with 30–50 games left in the season if even then. He and Boras are already holding hands and trying to pick out the color for the cover of the 800-page binder they are working on to explain why Beltran’s next contract should be more than ARod, Pujols, and Howard’s combined.
Keep it moving forward. Ike Davis is a HUGE step away from the misery of the last three years. Moving Mejia into the rotation, even for a few 5 inning starts at first, to replace Maine or Ollie is another huge step away from failure.
What might have been originally earmarked for spring 2011 could be happening now, thanks to the awful start, Murph’s injury, and Maine and Ollie’s suckitude.
Let’s pray that Jerry keeps his surprisingly open mind open.
trs86
4/28/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
Problem is King that the Mets no longer see Fmart as a CF and do not think his defense fits there. He’s not even playing CF in AAA anymore.
Also, lets give Pagan some time. He’s not been a 4th OF the last 2 seasons, he’s been a starter. If by the ASB he is still struggling then you make a move.
fongy2
4/28/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Plus, you don’t
change anything when
you’ve just taken 9of11!
Besides, I don’t think Meijia has been
stretched out enough yet.
Kingman 26
4/28/2010-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
You brought up Ike Davis and drastically changed the lineup!
That MIGHT have something to do with things!
Keep the youth movement coming; another guy every 3 weeks all year.
Mejia first, then Davis, who the hell is next??
fongy2
4/28/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Maybe BUT I don’t think we have enough “youngsters” to do that!
dirtysanchez
4/28/2010-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
hes been a starter because all our regulars have been injured…he has done a serviceable job but he is still a 4th outfielder.
trs86
4/28/2010-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
True, but again he has put up those numbers as a starter is my point. He’s not put up those numbers as a 4th OF.
dirtysanchez
4/28/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
lol you just contradicted yourself i think…we agree he IS a 4th outfielder that IS playing because our regulars are injured. Yes he is putting up those numbers as a starter but that still doesnt mean he is not our 4th outfielder
trs86
4/28/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think I did at all. He may be our 4th OF but he has gotten most of those numbers as a starter. Does not matter that he has started because of injuries. What matters is that he has done well as a starter the last 2 years.
When I think 4th OF I think Endy Chavez who could not be an everyday player even for 2 weeks without the team suffering. Pagan can be for 2 months and the team does not suffer.
stickguy
4/28/2010-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
pagan was getting on base last night. At this oint, he is doing enough to get some more time. Especially if the other option is the corpse formerly known as Sarge Jr.
F Mart? I think he can get by in CF. 1 trip aside, he looked respectable out there last year. He might not be the next Cameron in his prime, but if pressed it wouldn’t bother me to see him.
I thought they were oving him because they figureed he would either outgrow it down the road, but most likely, since they had beltran and (at the time) gaping holes to fill in the forners.
Moot point really, since he is temporarily sidelined with a back strain. He also hasn’t been lighting AAA on fire.
Now, if you want to call up Feliciano or Pridie to replace GM, I am all for it. And whenever Murphy can be ready to replace Cat, even better (since they don’t seem interested in calling up Carter).
trs86
4/28/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Based on what I can find they have moved him because he no longer projects as a CF. With Beltran’s injury if they thought he could play CF you know he would be there.
Kingman 26
4/28/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I just want to see more of the future.
Davis and Mejia look fantastic, Tejada looked really good, and Niese has tons of potential too.
Maybe we don’t have to wait until 2011.
I am just thinking that Beltran is sitting home for at least 2 more months, and Pagan just is not an everyday player.
Maybe with Bay and Frenchy flanking him FMart could do it….I know, I am reaching.
trs86
4/28/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Pagan is not an everyday player but keep in mind almost all of his stats the last 2 seasons have came as an everyday player.
njstuckintx
4/28/2010-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
I’m not sure you can just toss him in there without him streching out in AAA.
fongy2
4/28/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
I’m one who never thought we’d see Bel-Tron before Memorial Day…..But you might
be alot closer Brock.
B/T/W, under NO circumstances should
Bel-Tron get any more
money or years from
The New York Mets!!!!
Kingman 26
4/28/2010-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
Agreed at this point.
Beltran is the past. Great player, good guy, too old and injured at this point to deal with any more.
And I promise that he is hanging with Boras until August. At least.
stickguy
4/28/2010-11:01am at 11:01 am (UTC -4)
I said in the off season that there should be no way Beltran gets another contract (although at that point, I thought they could also offer him arbitration). Now, I am more firm in that belief.
He will be 35 a couple weeks into the first season of his new deal. A 35 YO CF that depends on his wheels, but has totally shot jneew, and missed huge chunks of time with the jnee problems?
Pass, Pass Pass. And I don’t care if he comes back with an MVP season in 2011, you still pass. Give him his jet skis and move on.
njstuckintx
4/28/2010-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
I thought per the contract they could not offer him arb.
And I agree, I would pass as well. we’ve got kids or GMJ 9kidding) to fill his spot, we’re looking like we’ll actually have some production from the 1B and LF positions, so having less production from CF shouldn’t slay the Mets. Take than money and get us some Cliff Lee or something similar.
stickguy
4/28/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
I wouldn’t mind seeing Mejia get a shot. Yes, it would be better to send him to AA for a month first, but if they kept a short leash on him, you could get him back into starting mode in the majors.
I really, really at this point don’t understand still having him rotting in the pen. They have plenty of other arms that have been good, with a couple more tuning up at AAA, and Maine and Ollie still looking shaky.
Any rational GM would be stocking up on SP depth, instead of taking baby steps to turn their best Sp prospect into a potential coloser for 2013.
dirtysanchez
4/28/2010-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
I really think this kid will turn out to be our joba chamberlin. I dont think they have any clue what to do with this kid and thus they are leaving him in the pen for now because they figure he can gain some experience. If they really see him as a starter, when iggy gets back they should send him down to stretch him out to be a starter and stop wasting his time.
dirtysanchez
4/28/2010-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
As many are saying above..ya gotta like the youth/in house movement up here…just on the 25 man roster we have
Mejia/Pelfrey/Niese/Davis/Reyes/Wright/Pagan
that were drafted by the mets…I wonder which position spot will be replaced next with in grown talent?
stickguy
4/28/2010-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
well, if a cather went down, THole most likely. If Castillo goes down, Tejada. And next in line for the rotation would probably be Gee. Parnell in the pen?
and of course, Murphy could be replacing Cat soon.
Geez, just getting murphy and Gee on the roster would be 9/25, so just a tick under 40%!
metsfan4decades
4/28/2010-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
At this point, I’m not sure we want to take Taka out of the BP. Even if Maine does wind up on the DL, we still have Ollie in the rotation. Last night, with the wind chill around 38 degrees, just walking the pitcher to load the bases, it really looked like Ollie was not gonna battle the way Johan did in the first game. Jerry did the right thing with the hook there, even though Ollie still had the lead. Walk the pitcher, who knows what the leadoff batter would have done?
Taka has been very valuable in the BP so far. Until Iggy returns, I wouldn’t want to make that change. Might be a bit unfair (you know, sort of like when you’re so good at your current job, you don’t get an opportunity for a promotion), but where would we be w/o Taka in that BP right now?
metsfan4decades
4/28/2010-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
Oh, and BTW….I Like Ike!
stickguy
4/28/2010-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
with maine and ollie so shaky, I still think they should have sent Mejia down today and called up stoner to caddy for Maine in case he flames early.
Although who knows, maybe Maine goes out in the first, and Mejia comes in an pitches 5 dominant innings, in his first “start”!
oleosmirf
4/28/2010-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
well Valdez and Acosta didnt pitch yesterday and between the 2 of them can get you 5 innings…
stickguy
4/28/2010-10:56am at 10:56 am (UTC -4)
It is nice to have a lot of long men/former starters out there, instead of 5 oogys and a closer.
metsfan4decades
4/28/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Actually, Valdes did pitch one inning in the second game yesterday.
oleosmirf
4/28/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
Does Maine have options?
because if he does, optioning him to AAA should be the course of action in case Maine has another bad game…maybe a month in AAA pitching against lesser competition can restore confidence and maybe even get some velocity back
stickguy
4/28/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
I am fuzzy on this. I think they may have to get him to agree to go? Like with Wang last year. The team can’t just send him down. But, I don’t think he has to clear waivers.
fongy2
4/28/2010-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Off topic BUT Costas and Kaat were
a great listen on MLBtv doing the
2nd game last night.
Also, I’ve seen Strasburg twice in
the past week and he looks like the
real deal. Plus, The Nats future Closer Drew Stroren also looks legit.
Lastly, Lidge pitched two innings in
yesterdays game,used all his pitches
and looks close to returning.
Not sure if thats bad…Or actually
good for us though.
oleosmirf
4/28/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
dont forget Bryce Harper in this years draft who can probably step into the MLB right now…
stickguy
4/28/2010-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
5 no hit innings yesterday for Strasburg. I think he has as many hits as ERRs given up. He looks as ready as a prospect is going to look.
At this point, not sure if the Nats are just waiting out the super 2 period, or are really just being cautious. Probably the latter, since they do have him on a strict pitch count.
Not gonna kill the kid to build gradually in the minors and come up in July.
fongy2
4/28/2010-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
Hes also still working on off-speed stuff. His FB has been
95/96 while his change
has been 88/89.Not enough space b/t them.
10ip,1h,0r,1bb,12k
in a week though doesn’t even describe
how dominant hes been.
CaseStreet
4/28/2010-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
Heyward who? We’ve got Ike!
njstuckintx
4/28/2010-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
Justin Heyward, as per Rusty!