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njstuckintx
5/28/2010-8:48am at 8:48 am (UTC -4)
Skunks don’t usually smell like rotten goose eggs, but I guess weirder things have happened.
metsfan4decades
5/28/2010-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
I don’t know how the rest of the season is going to go….but for this series we got it done.
We took care of business in our house and made those Phillies look pretty bad in the process.
Job Well Done.
fongy2
5/28/2010-8:56am at 8:56 am (UTC -4)
2nd!!!
Ya know it was nice to catch a good team,playing bad AND keep
THAT going for them and take care of buisness.
Too many times over the years
we’ve run into bad teams playing well…..OR let a team
like the Phils come in and get
healthy again at our expense.
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
Utley looked pretty bad this series. IE, looked like he was hurting, and not just a little. Should he go down and Placebo not maintain his pace for contributing, their offense, sans Vicky, Howard and Worth, are going to start looking quite suspect.
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
Like us last season,if you take
a couple of your best players
out of the lin-up and/or a couple of your top role guys,
the line-up doesn’t look too dangerous.
The likes of Francisco,Valdez
and Scheider don’t make for a
scarey 6,7&8 in almost any line-up.
Utley b/t/w has been real sick lately with the flu and no doubt looked lost at the plate.
KRod’s 1-0 fastfall down and in
which he just looked at is an
example.
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, he didn’t look so good in the face. Pretty pale. Could well be the case.
I like the consistent lineup we’ve been rocking. I’m content with it and if there is a Beltran sighting some time down the line, it’s only gravy. I think this team feels the same way. And I can’t see where Frenchy is not the odd man out. Pagan really looks like he’s realized his potential. He had such a sweet catch last night. Who knows, maybe even slot Beltran in RF to ease his knee?
trs86
5/28/2010-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
It’s possible. I think they will most likely just slide Pagan to RF but shade him towards Beltran.
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
Either way, that is the problematic questions I prefer dealing with vs. which #5 pitcher we are looking to scrape off the pile this week.
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:39am at 9:39 am (UTC -4)
Yeah out of respect for Beltrans
history AND contract
BUT who knows how well
he’ll be running when…
if he returns.
udontmesswthejohan
5/28/2010-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
Great series. Terrific.
I think this series only underscores the importance of one, Jose Reyes to this teams long term success, and I hope that those fans who foolishly argue taht he is a candidate to be traded away have taken note.
We all love David, but the truth is that Reyes is the straw that stirs this drink. So much so, that I think this team relies too heavily on him at times, and when he isn’t hitting they almost use it as an excuse, for why the rest of the lineup isn’t doing it’s part.
Anyway, like I said, great series. Onward and upward.
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:08am at 9:08 am (UTC -4)
Agreed completely!
This has been my mantra for years now, through the yrs of great production from Wright,
Beltran AND Delgado….Reyes
is the most important player
we’ve had in our line-up since
Straw.
metsfan4decades
5/28/2010-9:08am at 9:08 am (UTC -4)
Interesting post this morning on Beerleaguer. J. Weitzel concludes this post with:
‘Three straight shutouts, on the road, against a team that implicated the Phillies in sign stealing. I would be lying if I said this sudden, uncharacteristic dearth of scoring wasn’t curious. Whether it means the supply line has been shut off at the source, or that the accusations somehow made the Phillies sheepish and tentative, whatever the case, and in my opinion, I do not believe these circumstances are unrelated.’
Whether it’s true or not, not only did we sweep the Phillies, we’ve successfully put doubts in the minds of it’s fan base on just why that offense was previously so good.
LGM!
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:18am at 9:18 am (UTC -4)
Really I’m not so sure about their fans doubting the team
BUT my wife did say twice during lastnights gm, “the Phils look stunned in their dugout.”
Also, not just with this Phillie sign stealing thing
but for as long as I can remember, I think sign stealing
is one of the most overrated things in the game.
I’ve always found it hard to believe it has much if any impact on the game.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, as a non-player I have no idea. However, the binocular guy was there for a reason.
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:27am at 9:27 am (UTC -4)
Oh, no doubt BUT
to think someone
in CF can steal
the sign relay back to the dugout,they can then relay it to
the 3B Coach AND
THEN he can relay to the hitter,WHILE the
hitter still trying to figure out the
regular signs from the Coach
AND still study the pitcher AND
just get himself set at the plate AND relax….All within a couple
seconds……
Well, a little difficult to believe.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
I think it’s more about scouting. They can study the signs from there and then use the closer players to steal them later.
Kind of like the binoculars guy is breaking the code if that makes sense.
metsfan4decades
5/28/2010-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
I won’t pretend either to know how you could steal signs over and over quick enough to make a difference.
But the evidence certainly pointed to the attempt to do just that.
As you said, sign stealing has been part of the game for almost forever. It’s just the arrogance of making it so blatantly obvious AND getting caught that makes this taking them down a couple of pegs just that much sweeter…
CaseStreet
5/28/2010-9:21am at 9:21 am (UTC -4)
Since the mets broke the record for fastest from first to last, maybe they can break the last to first record.
LGM!
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
While that was a very enjoyable series
AND I think it allows the Mets to know
that they can indeed compete with and
beat The Phils BUT I think Omar needs
to step up his efforts to acquire a SPer AND maybe address RF. Frenchy
looks like hes returned to being the player he was before the Braves traded
him.
ceetar
5/28/2010-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
And there is no doubt a pitcher would come here, like many seem to have doubted a week ago. 10 games out. ha!
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
I’m thinking with Big Pelf playing like BIGGER PELF (and some TRS whispering in my ear) we’ll prob looking at a Millwood type #4 pitcher coming here.
I can’t see Oswalt going anywhere else than St. Lou (where are they going to get the money) or the Dodgers (divorce court!). If he did want to win, NY is the place to be! (ok, my opinion, not others around the country), but I lean more and more to the not waving the NTC to come NY Bound.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
Just not sure what will happen with Oswalt. I could see a Peavy situation where he refuses only to accept later. However, I would be just as happy with a guy like Millwood that we are not anchored too past this season. Besides Millwood, while not as talented, is a horse. Goes deep in almost every game and is leading the AL in innings.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
Absolutely and positively agree.
The Wilpons won’t pay for Roy Harvey Oswalt anyway, and he is aging, and Millwood would be absolutely perfect for a much-less pricey stop-gap.
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
Plus Oswalt’s politics may be too divisive in the Mets clubhouse…..Just sayin’
trs86
5/28/2010-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
Money for Oswalt in my opinion has nothing to do with it as the Mets always add a high priced guy anyway. He would just be the SP they add in the “off-season”. But yeah I like Millwood.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
They don’t always add a high-priced guy mid-season; in fact rarely do they.
And the Wilpons cut payroll and word is that they will not increase it in-season this year.
Hope I am wrong, but probably not on this one.
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
I hope you are wrong too. I almost hope Beltran is out long enough they can collect workmans comp on him.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
I am saying in the off-season Kingman.
Just saying that if they got Oswalt now then it would be the high priced FA for next year.
They did not intentionally cut payroll by as much as it came out.
Again they made very fair offers to Pinerio and Molina and were wise enough not to panic when they wanted more. That’s 14-15M right there.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Gotcha, sorry; misunderstood.
I am sure you know my thoughts on the 2-ace situation, and with Roy Harvey, we might have three.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
But Fongy if Reyes, Bay, Wright, Davis do their job then you can handle a 7/8 hitter not being very productive. He is very solid on defense. They also have Carter. I can’t believe that this slump is the real Frenchy. This slump is much worse than even his career numbers. If he can even return to .268 .309 .428 .737 out of the 7/8 spot playing solid defense I am not concerned.
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, he did save a run or 2 this weekend based on his arm. But, as I mentioned above, the only way we address RF is when/if Beltran returns. And if he does, stick Beltran in RF.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Yeah when/if Beltran returns I expect Frenchy to lose time regardless of where Beltran plays RF or CF.
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I like him AND was one of the few who defended and gave credit to omar for the
deal b/c he’s just a better player with more talent than Church
BUT he is lost up there. Swings for the fences every time he offers at a pitch and
seems to have no idea what situational hitting is.
With Wright having a bad time and since I look atDavis as anything you get is gravy,if something was available,I think Omar really has to look at it.
I’m not saying justcut him or anything BUT you can’t be thinking
contract extention with this guy and if thats the case AND someone has an OFer making money …Well..
you got to seriously give it a long look see.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:39am at 9:39 am (UTC -4)
Like I said from a 7/8 hitter I am not too concerned. If they found a LH platoon guy better than Carter, sure.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, Frenchy is a good hustling guy, but this seems to be the real him offensively. If he can stay hidden in the 7 or 8 hole, he is passable, but the future might be Bay, FMart, and Pagan in the OF.
Beltran?
LOL!!!!!!
trs86
5/28/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
Fmart?
LOL!!!!!!
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
Fmart? Is he still a Met?
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
FMart is 21 and does not have 100 million in the bank; he surely is actually working to get healthy.
Reyes was injury-prone as a kid too.
We will be seeing young FMart next spring, and maybe he will play well enough so that Beltran can be a platoon player for his walk year, and he and Boras’ revolting strategy of not playing would be foiled in the most beautiful way possible.
trs86
5/28/2010-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
I think we just need to settle down on the conspiracy theories here for Beltran.
I do have to ask this question, if Beltran had no plans of working hard to get back then why did he push himself so much at the end of a lost season just to get back?
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Good question.
My guess is that what happened after the end of the season changed everything.
Obviously none of us know, but seriously, what has the guy been doing for almost six months now?
Do you really think, given Boras’ history, and Beltran’s age, injury history, and contract status, that it is completely impossible that Boras has advised him to play as little as possible this year and to be as healthy as possible for his walk year in 2011 when he will surely be seeking another massive contract?
I would respectfully say that it is indeed a very possible scenario.
trs86
5/28/2010-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
No I think it’s possible but I also think the Mets would not allow it and would make a huge fuss about it. I am sure they are they have representatives there for the workouts and are speaking with the doctors about his issue. I know their silence is making us question things but I think we are making a bigger deal out of it than it really is. Remember that he did not have that surgery until mid-January, we can debate as to why.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Agreed largely with all of this….just a bit tantalizing (and useless of course) to imagine a fully productive Beltran since opening day and a Pagan/Frenchy platoon in right.
We might be in first place right now.
trs86
5/28/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
Very possible.
udontmesswthejohan
5/28/2010-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
I agree he gives you good D and, by all accounts is a good guy in the clubhouse, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for him to come out of this slump in any big way if I were you TRS.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:42am at 9:42 am (UTC -4)
Well I would expect a return to the norm Udon’t. If a career .268 .309 .428 .737 is hitting .148 .198 .198 .395 the last 28 days then something has to give.
udontmesswthejohan
5/28/2010-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I hear ya, he will probably come back to those numbers a bit, but I don’t think we are ever going to see the guy who originally came up with the Braves. At this point, he is what he is. Or lets hope he is, and not something less.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Very interesting and very amazing…maybe the Phils’ aren’t such fabulous hitters when they don’t know what pitch is coming. Hmmmmm….
Incredible, amazing series, and Warthen deserves serious props if he was largely behind Pelf’s developing that out pitch.
Loved the Barajas, Takahashi, and Igarashi signings, and if the Wilpons really put the kibosh on big spending outside of Bay, then Don Omar does deserve serious credit for bringing these guys in. Especially Barajas, who has been incredible.
To me, the next six games are the biggest since the end of 2008 at least. If they can keep this train rolling and win 4 of 6 in two places where we have not played our best ball, then this is truly for real.
And it is time for the people who called Bay “defensively challenged” and judged him based on the hugely flawed and asinine UZR rating for Fenway to step up—it is now almost TWO YEARS since Bay has made an error, and he is a good left fielder.
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Agreed,especially with your thoughts on Bay!
You know brock, I’m old school and stats have their place BUT
Bay’s been a corner OFer all his life, he knows how to read
a flyball off the Bat,has average speed and an average arm…..All equals at least
an average MLB OFer….If not
better.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
I repeated till I was blue (and orange) in the damn face that there is NO WAY that a guy who had one error and 19 assists in 200 games in LF in Fenway could be even mediocre, let alone bad.
Some new stat ideas like using OPS instead of BA to judge offense and using WHIP instead of wins to judge pitchers are accurate and useful, but if UZR states that Bay is mediocre or bad, it is a useless, mockable stat, at least in certain cases.
trs86
5/28/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Any stat this is based on one persons judgment or can be “recalculated” to suddenly make a “terrible” fielder into above average is basically worthless.
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
yeah man, bay looks more than compatent out there.
trs86
5/28/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Like I said making more than fair offers to Molina and Pinerio yet refusing to budge did not show being cheap it showed being wise.
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
It would be nice to
have that 12mil Ollie’s getting to
hunt for a SPer!
trs86
5/28/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
While that’s true, that’s in the past. The Mets have shown a little bit more financial responsibility, not being cheap.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
+ Infinity
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
Just curious, did the SNY broadcast note when the last time we swept a 3game series,winning all by shutout?
I go back to ’73/’74 and can’t remember us sweeping a series and not allowing the other team to score.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
1969 vs the Phils—Seaver, Kossman, Gentry/Ryan I believe….
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Thanks….Before my time!!!…..Unfortunately,not LONG before my time.
Man,do I feel my age lately!
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
That makes two of us on all counts!
The 1973 playoffs are my oldest really concrete memories.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
Yeah,
mine too!
The ’74 season
was the first I remember
actually following the team daytoday
metsfan4decades
5/28/2010-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
They did say, it was ’69 against the Phils and it was Seaver, Koosman and Gentry.
Mr North Jersey
5/28/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
1969 Fongy vs the phillies after Mets clinched.
Koosman complete game shutout Mets win 5-0
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI196909260.shtml
Seaver complete game shutout Mets win 1-0
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI196909270.shtml
Gary Gentry, Nolan Ryan, and Bob Taylor combined shutout Mets win 2-0
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI196909280.shtml
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Wow!…Thx for the links.
Talk about names!!…
Looks like the Phils
we’re ready for the off-season.
rustyjr
5/28/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
Anybody think greinke is available ? If so what package might it take to get him ?
fongy2
5/28/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
No!…..And if he was they’d wanna START with Ike And Jenrry!
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Would you do that Fongy?
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
No chance!
Greike is very,very good
BUT considering his struggles
with social anxiety disorder…
playing in NYC
under the daily microscope….
No thanks!
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
agreed! He’d be in the corner wimpering at 1 bad out after reading this blog!
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
Ike and Jennry must be considered untouchables.
Maybe in ALL cases.
This team, regardless of what ultimately happens this year, is poised to be a powerhouse within 1–2 years. Must not diminish the Junior Core.
I would not trade Wright, Reyes, Pelf, Ike, or Jennry.
Maybe anyone else at this point. But Bay and Feliciano are probably huge parts of the next couple of years too.
Mr North Jersey
5/28/2010-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
I’d show caution when throwing words like powerhouse around not to say that it is wrong just that so much has yet to be known before such anyone knows what this team is poised to be.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
I sure agree.
But, considering their age and incredible lack of experience above AA ball, wouldn’t you have to say that the first two Junior Core arrivals of Ike and Mejia show two guys who could both be future stars, if not at least very solid starters?
Throw in a couple more successes from Niese/FMart/Thole/Niewenhuis etc, with Wright/Bay/Reyes/Johan/Pelf/KRod/Feliciano and the serious potential of Igarashi and Takahashi, not to mention the possible taking on of more payroll if the team keeps winning and the Wilpons’ income increases, and I think that we are looking at a real good team next year, and in 2012 with Slappy and Ollie’s salary gone and the Junior Core maturing?
I like 2012.
Mr North Jersey
5/28/2010-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
What Niese, Davis and Mejia have are potential to be good players. I do not want to get ahead of myself at labeling them anything more than that.
I still see another kid’s early success (Murphy) was used to project him as a piece of the puzzle that would help us win in 2009.
FMart/Thole/Niewenhuis etc, have a book that has yet to be written and if only 1 of them achieve the success that many believe they can Mets will have a solid player for years to come.
rustyjr
5/28/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
What about buhrle ?
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
Creme Buhrle?
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
He would be welcomed here by me!
trs86
5/28/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Don’t see them trading him.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
They won’t AND I’ve heard him say if he ever was traded,he’d only want to pitch in StLouis.
trs86
5/28/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
Nope.
ceetar
5/28/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
time to switch gears? Brewers suck!
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
They sure do, despite the rather impressive coaching braintrust they have assembled.
To me, that is why this series is so damn huge.
We MUST win 2 of 3 in Milwaukee.
trs86
5/28/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
I am not sure it’s a must but right now it’s a should.
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
Agreed, and in some ways it is almost the same thing—if they are indeed really together and improved and not just coming off the usual Skank/Phaillie momentum, they sure should win 2 (or 3) of 3.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
I’ll be disapointed with
anything less than 4of6 from Mil&SD
rustyjr
5/28/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
I can see us taking 2 outta 3 against the old milwaukee team
Kingman 26
5/28/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
Even with Champagne Willie and Rick “The Jacket” Peterson in the dugout?
Peterson is like 7 minutes away from fixing all of the Brewers’ pitcher I think….
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, nice off-season moves by
The Brew-Crew throwing tons of Cash @ Wolf
to be their Ace AND Hawkins to be their 8th inning guy for
Hoffman!!???
Yeah,THAT didn’t
have disapointment written ALL OVER
IT…..
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
Considering their pitching is absolutely falling apart, the jacket better get a fleece liner and soon. He’ll be out on the street sooner than later.
ceetar
5/28/2010-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
Still better than our duo.
Two Santana starts and a Pelf. A split of these 6 is almost mandatory to start.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
The guys Omar may have a chance at are Millwood and Westbrook.
I’d take either…..On the cheap!
Get Danny Murphy healthy And move him for one of these guys!
trs86
5/28/2010-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
You know the O’s and Indians would look at Murphy for sure. Not sure how much more it would take.
I will say that I read the Indians were currently not shopping Westbrook because they want to re-sign him.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
Clear attempt to drive up the asking price!
trs86
5/28/2010-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Perhaps. Could also be that they don’t want to eat the cash to trade him.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
Why would they have to eat cash to trade him?
trs86
5/28/2010-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
Owed 11M and coming off an injury. Most teams would not give a top prospect AND pay that much for a guy that is an injury concern. Well that was the thoughts on the article I read. The guy has not been healthy for a full season since 2006.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, i know.I’d think THATS why if you offered a quasi-prospect like Murph AND took on the contract they’d be happy to move him.
trs86
5/28/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
That’s what I am saying. The thoughts were that they would rather keep him and ride him until the off-season and have a better chance re-signing him than to get a middling prospect. They mentioned that Wood was very likely to be traded but Westbrook not yet. Now if he pitched very well in between now and July 31st they may be able to get a better prospect.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
My point is,I’m not sure they’d want to re-sign him with his injury history,them cutting salary AND them re-building.
trs86
5/28/2010-11:03am at 11:03 am (UTC -4)
Very true. Unless they think that would help them re-sign him. Like I said, right now they are saying he is not available. I have no clue if to believe them.
GravediggerHebner
5/28/2010-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
The FAN just played a bit of the Phils radio broadcast from last night, specifically the Jose Reyes 2-run double. I paraphrase:
Play-by-play guy: “That could be trouble, into the corner 2 runs score Reyes on second.”
Color man (Larry Andersen): “And there’s Reyes at second with all his antics, and the Phillies must like them because they’re not doing anything about them.”
Mr North Jersey
5/28/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
LoL Yeah I heard it also Grave.
trs86
5/28/2010-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
It’s unbelievable how one fanbase/organization can be so blind to themselves. I am amazed how they notice Reyes and watch his every move but ignore guys like Vicki.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
Larry Andersen is as he was a
player….A clown!
Heb, i watched every pitch of
the series listening to the Phil TV ‘Casters, Sarge,Wheels
And McCarthey AND they had nothing but praise for Reyes
and all he does for the Mets.
Noting more than once,”He really brings life to the Mets”.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
b/t/w, I think they’re
also seeing how the energy of their own team has been reduced by not having Rollins
at the top of their order….AND in their duggout.
fongy2
5/28/2010-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
Also, I LOVE Pagan in the 6hole!
It really provides speed and the threat of same to the later portion
of the line-up.
It’s what make the Phils so dangerous
when Rollins is hitting 1 and Victorino 6.
trs86
5/28/2010-11:02am at 11:02 am (UTC -4)
If Frenchy was hitting then I would rather have Pagan 2nd but while Wright and Frenchy are struggling it makes perfect sense.
GravediggerHebner
5/28/2010-11:05am at 11:05 am (UTC -4)
Can’t argue with that.
Fongy did you happen to catch any of Marlins-Braves during the Mets delay? Weird incident last night.
With 2 outs in the bottom of the 1st Tim Hudson hit Hanley Ramirez in the front shoulder with the 1st pitch. Hanley kind of walked around behind the plate, IMO calming himself down, then went to 1st base.
Took off for 2nd on the 1st pitch and stole it on a really close play, replays showed he was out IMO but was called safe then appeared to be yelling at Hudson from 2nd base.
Then Cantu laced a single to center and Hanley scored, appeared to be yelling at Hudson all the way from 3rd to home and after he crossed home on the way to the dugout.
The announcers were speculating whether there was any history between the two players, couldn’t think of any but thought maybe Hanley had admired a HR the night before and Hudson didn’t like it. I guess I was wondering if Hudson is the kind of guy who might hit Hanley just because of the whole previous lack of hustle and calling his manager out after gettnig benched thing, you have any thoughts on that?
fongy2
5/28/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
I did see it.
Don’t know of any history w/Hudson and ramirez however,Bobby Cox and Freddi gonzalez ar very close
so….Bobby Cox is obviously old school so,
ya never know.
I think though that it
might be more that Ramirez is a little full of himself and seems a little un-hinged right now.
njstuckintx
5/28/2010-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, he’s prob. under the impression that his defication is of the potpouri fragrance.
fongy2
5/28/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Errrr,
now THAT
provides a REAL
bad mental image!!