more on ollie p.: “he will not be released,” says mets official. cant blame ‘em. no fun eating $36-mil contract.
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Jun 01
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41 comments
njstuckintx
6/1/2010-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
“he will not be released, but traded for a batting glove, while eating 18 million of the remaining amount owed to Opey”
stickguy
6/1/2010-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
who is the “met official”? in that organization, probably plenty of officials that have no clue, and no say, in what is going on.
and if they don’t release him, it is not because they owe him money (they owe him that no matter what). It will be because they think he can still give them some production. Once they give up on that idea, then he can be released.
And sometimes teams trade a guy, while basically picking up the full salary, to avoid the “stigma” of releaseing a big contract guy.
njstuckintx
6/1/2010-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, i’m sure they get their information from some ticket sales guy. “you officially work for the Mets, right? Ok, what can you tell me about ollie?”
oleosmirf
6/1/2010-12:49pm at 12:49 pm (UTC -4)
the Wilpons do not buy out contracts
trs86
6/1/2010-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
Nope, and usually neither do players.
Buying out means they pay it all up front.
If you are talking about releasing players with large contracts, how many large contract players have they NEEDED to release? Small sample size?
trs86
6/1/2010-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
AGreed.
Mr North Jersey
6/1/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
If you believe that the Mets are at a point where they are now frustrated with Ollie and his continued refusal to go to minors then I don’t see how they just release him.
It is like giving him what he wants and why would they do that for him?
I don’t know how this will end but I really don’t see the Mets simply releasing him. I also don’t see the Mets allowing him to continue the season pitching MOP up duty from the pen.
Either he agrees to go down or the Mets give in and allow him to start.
If neither of those scenarios pan out I see the Mets trading him preferably to the American League.
njstuckintx
6/1/2010-12:56pm at 12:56 pm (UTC -4)
It’s a tough situation, as by not giving him what he wants, you are hurting your own cause.
ceetar
6/1/2010-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
Perez’s chances of getting what he wants actually went up yesterday.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2010-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
This Ollie thing is turning uglier by the minute. He’s getting killed in every media outlet possible. I would not be surprised that the “anonymous” player is Jerry.
trs86
6/1/2010-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
Most likely that anonymous player is Figgy.
njstuckintx
6/1/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
Or Cat!
ceetar
6/1/2010-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
And the media sure is enjoying it, which is half the issue. As we’ve concluded, the Mets probably aren’t in a “rush” to make a decision here and are weighing options.
Also, extracting quotes from whoever. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Frenchy making one of those comments (as it was supposedly with Strawberry..), but whoever it is..hopefully they stay silent so I don’t have to be annoyed at them.
Media’s so hungry for Ollie quotes I’m surprised Beltran’s “going to play rehab games next week” wasn’t proceded by “And Beltran had _this_ to say about Oliver Perez.”
oleosmirf
6/1/2010-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
why are people surprised?
trs86
6/1/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
Who is surprised? Ollie is using his rights established by the players union and signed by the owners. Now we wait.
tkfj2
6/1/2010-1:25pm at 1:25 pm (UTC -4)
They are already “eating” the contract.
Ollie P would be worth more to the Mets if he were cut, then he presently is.
Seems pretty simple.
I know it isnt a money issue, but rather an issue of lacking the cojones to get rid of a player they honestly believe can still have a positive impact on the team. They maybe stupid, very stupid, but I won’t say they are cheap.
saltygary
6/1/2010-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
Per Adam Rubin:
I asked Alex yesterday, and he confirmed to me it’s 80 appearances for the contract to vest for 2011 — not 80 starts. And that’s exactly how the Associated Press carried the terms of the contract originally when he signed it.
We need a new 2nd Baseman stat, I do not want that contract on the books for next year.
ceetar
6/1/2010-1:32pm at 1:32 pm (UTC -4)
the problem is not Cora. or Omar or the contract, it’s Manuel.
There is no way Cora should be reaching 80 considering Castillo can play just fine. Even factoring in the occasional late-inning blowout replacement just to get castillo off his feet. Because Manuel likes Cora, shouldn’t be here next year, and wouldn’t care if Cora was here if he was.
saltygary
6/1/2010-1:37pm at 1:37 pm (UTC -4)
Have you seen Castillo lately, the guy can barely move. After a walk the other night it was so obvious he was trying to hide a limp when making his way to first. Once Castillo goes on the DL Cora’s extension is locked.
metsfan4decades
6/1/2010-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
Have to agree here. Castillo now has pain in both feet. They’re trying to avoid a DL stint with him but I’m betting that’s where he winds up.
ceetar
6/1/2010-1:43pm at 1:43 pm (UTC -4)
Actually the right foot was a minor thing supposedly as a result of compesnating for it Sunday after he landed weird Saturday.
He’s not moving that badly. He’s still moving pretty decently, his range seems okay. I’m more concerned that his walks seem down a bit, which can’t really be the foot now can it, just a slump.
metsfan4decades
6/1/2010-1:46pm at 1:46 pm (UTC -4)
I have no problem with Castillo right now.
Come next year though, I’d like to see a replacement for both him and Cora though.
saltygary
6/1/2010-2:04pm at 2:04 pm (UTC -4)
During the off season I didn’t want anything done with second base, it didn’t make sense. Now it is a glaring issue that could probably be addressed effectively and give a nice boost to the offense. Haven’t looked up any numbers but the team has to be one of the lower ranked clubs in term of second base production.
Mr North Jersey
6/1/2010-1:48pm at 1:48 pm (UTC -4)
I believe it was reported during the game that Castillo kinda tweaked the leg trying to beat a ball to 1st.
ceetar
6/1/2010-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
he just aggrevated the left foot doing so, and hurt the right compesnating, but the right is fine now he said and he could play.
metsfan4decades
6/1/2010-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
That last at bat in the 9th last night, Louie was more than visibly limping. And not the normal gait ’cause one leg is shorter than the other. It was obvious to me he’s in more pain than usual right now.
saltygary
6/1/2010-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
The team could probably get a guy like Weeks but he is streaky as hell.
tkfj2
6/1/2010-1:43pm at 1:43 pm (UTC -4)
Also the problem is Omar’s love of the vesting option.
Hopefully Cora is confused and it is 80 starts, as much as I appreciate the Bench Coaches grission.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2010-2:01pm at 2:01 pm (UTC -4)
Didn’t already make the 80 appearances? What counts as appearances? Is a pinch hitting an appearance? If so, Cora will definitely hit 80 appearances.
saltygary
6/1/2010-2:06pm at 2:06 pm (UTC -4)
PH is an appearance and right now he is at 30.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2010-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah and we’re 50 games in. So, there’s a pretty good chance he’ll get to 80
metsfan4decades
6/1/2010-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
Just saw this post but I posted this on a previous thread:
This is absolutely about the money and nothing else but the money.
If Perez was one of our 5 SP going into this year, and his contract was for say $3MIL, he would have been asked once about going to AAA to work on his mechanics. When the answer came back no, I believe he would have been released right then. The fact that he was not is not b/c they’re trying to be ‘polite’ and are taking his feelings into consideration – or not to any great extent. They’re trying to see if they can get a return on what they consider a big investment. 21/24MIL right now isn’t chump change.
You can’t compare this to the GMJ low $$ right now. Jr. is taking up a way less vital role on the 25 man roster than a starting pitcher. And IMO, I would cut him as well and bring up someone to fill that role but I’m way less concerned about that spot than the one Ollie is taking up…
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This just proves the point, IMO, that it’s all about the money. Sounds like they’re not going to cut their losses though and are hoping Ollie changes his mind. Big problem with that is obvious….it’s costing us an arm on the pitching staff we need.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/1/2010-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
I thought it was about school systems…
metsfan4decades
6/1/2010-1:50pm at 1:50 pm (UTC -4)
And LOL…..
Hard to believe anything the Met FO says today will hold water tomorrow. Remember everything from ‘Willie is our guy’, to ‘Mejia will definitely start in AAA this year’?
They change their mind more often than some people change their underwear.
I still say come this Saturday, when they have to make a roster move for Niese, they might very well change their mind about Ollie. It’s a sunk cost anyway, he’s not going to give in. I don’t care about who is trying to save whose face on this. I just want as many fresh arms and as good a talent as we can get on the pitching staff.
ceetar
6/1/2010-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
and that’s Ollie, like it or not. Chances are any replacement would actually have less of a chance of contributing.
trs86
6/1/2010-2:15pm at 2:15 pm (UTC -4)
Right now I disagree. Misch, Gee, Stoner, Owen would all have a better chance RIGHT NOW of contributing.
metsfan4decades
6/1/2010-2:39pm at 2:39 pm (UTC -4)
Have to agree here.
Ollie’s mechanics are a mess.
Those mentioned above at least have sound mechanics, that they execute at least 85% of the time, I would think. Whether the talent is there is another question for another day but looking at most of their stats, vs. Ollie’s this year, it’s a no brainer.
oleosmirf
6/1/2010-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
i can name about 200 pitchers who can do better than Ollie
njstuckintx
6/1/2010-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I agree on the statements holding water. But we continually come running when the do say something. Same thing for Heyman, Olney, etc.
saltygary
6/1/2010-2:31pm at 2:31 pm (UTC -4)
No Matter what, the Mets will eat Ollie’s contract but they don’t need to drop them. I mentioned Weeks above, the Brewers are making him available due to contract and other rookies waiting to move up at second. With Peterson in the organization whats wrong with trading Ollie for weeks and the Mets eat most of the salary. The brewers can try to salvage him and seeing they put Suppan in the BP they have a rotation spot.
CaseStreet
6/1/2010-5:52pm at 5:52 pm (UTC -4)
Ollie will go to AAA after he stops sulking.