| John Maine | Tm | G | GS | GF | CG | Rslt | Dec | DR | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | HBP | BF | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Apr 7, 2010 to May 20, 2010 | NYM | 9 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 4-5 | W-L:1-3 | 4.4 | 39.2 | 47 | 29 | 27 | 25 | 39 | 8 | 2 | 6.13 | 190 | .297 | .398 | .506 | .904 |
| Oliver Perez | Tm | G | GS | GF | CG | Rslt | Dec | DR | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | HBP | BF | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Apr 10, 2010 to May 14, 2010 | NYM | 7 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 1-6 | W-L:0-3 | 4.7 | 33.1 | 36 | 24 | 22 | 28 | 27 | 5 | 1 | 5.94 | 163 | .273 | .401 | .447 | .848 |
| Hisanori Takahashi | Tm | G | GS | GF | CG | Rslt | Dec | DR | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | HBP | BF | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| May 21, 2010 to May 31, 2010 | NYM | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1-2 | W-L:1-1 | 4.0 | 16.0 | 18 | 6 | 6 | 3 | 12 | 1 | 0 | 3.38 | 66 | .295 | .328 | .410 | .738 |
| R.A. Dickey | Tm | G | GS | GF | CG | Rslt | Dec | DR | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | HBP | BF | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| May 19, 2010 to Jun 4, 2010 | NYM | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 3-1 | W-L:3-0 | 4.3 | 25.1 | 28 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 16 | 2 | 0 | 3.20 | 107 | .292 | .349 | .385 | .734 |
Above are the stats for Oliver Perez and John Maine’s starts this season and the stats for Hisanori Takahashi and RA Dickey’s starts so far this season.
In what I am sure most will agree is stating the obvious that the Mets are so much better now with Takahashi and Dickey allow me to point out a few things
Oliver Perez/John Maine – combined 16 starts have a record of 1-6
Hisanori Takahashi and RA Dickey – combined 7 starts have a record of 4-1
Oliver Perez/John Maine – combined 16 starts have pitched 6 innings or more 5 times.
Hisanori Takahashi and RA Dickey – combined 7 starts have pitched 6 innings or more 6 times.
Oliver Perez/John Maine – combined 16 starts the Mets are 5-11 in games they start.
Hisanori Takahashi and RA Dickey – combined 7 starts the Mets are 4-3 in games they start.
35 comments
oleosmirf
6/5/2010-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
not only that Mets are 1-9 in games Ollie has pitched in…
Kingman 26
6/5/2010-8:57pm at 8:57 pm (UTC -4)
Wow! That’s incredible!
So they are 28-18 in games he is NOT involved in?!?!
Mr North Jersey
6/5/2010-9:03pm at 9:03 pm (UTC -4)
Wow now that is scary.
10 games above .500!
Kingman 26
6/5/2010-9:11pm at 9:11 pm (UTC -4)
Without Ollie we project to a 99-63 record!
Thanks for pointing this our Oleo—the division is ours!
Have a great night everyone!
SWEEP the stinkin’ fish tomorrow!
PS–One more point in my mantra about how great next year is going to be—if we can win like this at home now, no reason to think we cannot next year too….but imagine what we can be as a .500+ team on the road….
rustyjr
6/5/2010-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
Break out the float !! will you drive me to citi on weds?
Kingman 26
6/5/2010-9:26pm at 9:26 pm (UTC -4)
Yes sir! Just tell me where to pick you up!
GravediggerHebner
6/5/2010-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
Actually they are 1-10 in games in which Ollie has appeared.
1-6 when he starts, 0-4 when he relieves.
The team is a more serviceable 4-5 in games that Maine has appeared in (all starts in his case).
GravediggerHebner
6/5/2010-9:36pm at 9:36 pm (UTC -4)
Team records for the other starters:
Johan 6-6 (all starts);
Pelf 9-2 starts, 1-0 relieves;
Niese 4-4 (all starts);
Takahashi 1-2 starts, 6-9 relieves;
Dickey 3-1 (all starts).
GravediggerHebner
6/5/2010-9:41pm at 9:41 pm (UTC -4)
Run support for starters:
Maine 10.44
Dickey 8.88
Niese 8.19
Perez 6.52
Pelfrey 5.40
Santana 4.60
Takahashi 2.57
Mr North Jersey
6/5/2010-9:43pm at 9:43 pm (UTC -4)
Interesting how the Mets seem to score more the worse the starter is on the mound.
Mr North Jersey
6/5/2010-9:45pm at 9:45 pm (UTC -4)
Of course Dickey and Taka and to an extent Niese being the exceptions.
Kingman 26
6/5/2010-9:36pm at 9:36 pm (UTC -4)
27-11 in games which have not seen Ollie OR Maine??
joed1
6/5/2010-8:56pm at 8:56 pm (UTC -4)
Nice job MNJ. What a dramatic difference between them. What happens when maine comes off the DL in another week?
Kingman 26
6/5/2010-8:57pm at 8:57 pm (UTC -4)
He tries to help out in the bullpen hopefully….or goes to AAA.
Mr North Jersey
6/5/2010-9:01pm at 9:01 pm (UTC -4)
Hey Joe!
Thanks for the compliments. I wonder about that myself also. I am curious to see how that unfolds especially if Taka rebounds from his last start and has another quality start.
Thanks again for stopping by to comment.
stickguy
6/5/2010-10:54pm at 10:54 pm (UTC -4)
who says he is going to come off the DL in a week? Is he even pitching any rehab innings (that count)?
He could be on the DL for a long, long time to come if the shoulder weakness does not improve.
dirtysanchez
6/5/2010-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
doesnt get more black and white than that…hope they stay far, far away from this club
Kingman 26
6/5/2010-9:12pm at 9:12 pm (UTC -4)
+ A whole HELL of a lot.
rustyjr
6/5/2010-9:24pm at 9:24 pm (UTC -4)
can we just pay someone to do a Nancy Kerrigan on Ollie – so we don’t have to see him in a mets uni ever again?
the thing that scares me is that Mo ( Maine, Ollie) will rear its ugly head by the end of the season during the crucial pennant race and deep six our chances like a brian jordan homer !!
metsfan4decades
6/5/2010-9:40pm at 9:40 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for putting these stats together – and wow…
I know hindsight is 20/20 but wonder what kind of a record we’d have right now if Ollie and Perez were not ready to go to start the season and we started with Taka and Dickie in the rotation? Sure as hell would have saved that BP somewhat, for starters.
Mr North Jersey
6/5/2010-9:57pm at 9:57 pm (UTC -4)
OK someone please tell me I am reading this completely wrong.
Manuel did not rule out the possibility that Perez had been pitching injured for all or most of the season.
“I thought that with the velocity not getting to where it was in 2008, that always concerns me,” Manuel said. “But if the athlete tells you that he’s fine, then he’s fine. If he doesn’t feel any pain, then you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.”
-Link
Now if John Maine reads this quote what do you think he’d say about this?
Mr North Jersey
6/5/2010-10:01pm at 10:01 pm (UTC -4)
I mean didn’t he and Maine have an incident where Maine was like I am fine and Manuel didn’t give him the benefit of the doubt?
I am just asking.
GravediggerHebner
6/5/2010-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
I guess the difference is that Oliver Perez is not a habitual liar about his own health, or at least was not known to be one until now? Plus without looking at numbers I believe the dropoff in speed for Maine was more noticeable, and as bad as Ollie can be he never started a game by walking 3 batters…
GravediggerHebner
6/5/2010-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
FB velocity
Perez 2007 – 90.5
2008 – 91.2
2009 – 90.0
2010 – 88.2
career avg 91.0
Maine 2007 – 91.2
2008 – 92.1
2009 – 91.3
2010 – 88.6
career avg 91.2
I guess it depends on how you analyze it. Perez was down more from his career avg, 2.8 versus Maine down 2.6, but Maine’s drop from the previous year is more alarming 2.7 versus Perez down 1.8.
ceetar
6/6/2010-1:40am at 1:40 am (UTC -4)
That’s because Perez pitched the entire 2009 season hurt, which affected his velocity.
Maine only had 1, maybe 2, starts where he was probably feeling any injury.
So that actually leds credence to the idea that Perez is feeling pain, which would open a whole can of worms again. (Both he and Maine feel the same injury from last year? What exactly did the doctors do…? And both don’t want to report it? says something about how thtey feel about management/doctors and felt they were best to make the decision)
It’s interesting, to say the least. Maine showed more success (three of his last four starts were quality) after switching from Warthen’s mechanics, although his velocity didn’t get much better. Perez never got the velocity up there at all, and I struggle to see where a perfectly healthy knee would’ve sapped that. Then again, Santana’s velocity is extremely down as well. so what gives?
It’s why the original stats here are very not black and white. For one, Maine already scrapped how he was pitching early in the season, and they were both bouncing back from injuries, and it’s a much better sample size than Dickey and Takahashi, and also the last 2-3 games or so that Perez appeared in where already losses, so it’s hard to say “Get a loss when Perez appears” for that. He also had two good games that they just didn’t score for him.
oleosmirf
6/6/2010-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
until Takahashi or Dickey start to be liabilities, you cannot make an argument for replacing them with Maine or Ollie
ceetar
6/6/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
no, I can’t. The _Mets_ however, need to prepared for the occasion. It’s not like they have long histories of success to be comfortable with.
so “lenno212 John Maine long-tossing in RF this morning. Got the sense #Mets told him he can take his time. ”
Might not be wise. Get guys ready to go. Have them ready to step in and don’t be scrambling for replacements when an injury happens or Manuel decides he’s had enough.
metsfan4decades
6/5/2010-10:12pm at 10:12 pm (UTC -4)
Well, yeah ’cause there’s that whole ‘John Maine is a liar when it comes to his health’ comment by Warthen.
So it definitely sounds like a double standard with the two of them.
You’ve got Perez pitching crappy who kept saying ‘I feel fine’, until apparently just recently when he went to Jerry and told him his knee is bothering him (if that story can be believed). Maine, on the other hand, said he had pain, said he always has pain, said all pitchers pitch with some degree of pain and that it wasn’t the problem….
metsfan4decades
6/5/2010-10:16pm at 10:16 pm (UTC -4)
So does MC come out today and say ‘I’m proud of Jon Niese’ and get MF going again tomorrow?
njstuckintx
6/5/2010-10:58pm at 10:58 pm (UTC -4)
Would the world implode if MC said “I’m proud of MF”?
stickguy
6/5/2010-11:01pm at 11:01 pm (UTC -4)
Like I said before the season, in response to all the people screaming about MOP not being up to the task (and that the team can’t make the playoffs if they bomb), if they did fail, they would be replaced. So no way you were going to see any of them sucking all year in the rotation.
Obviously P came through. So, MO sucked/got hurt, and now effectively no longer exist.
the ollie situation is going to be interesting. I also expect Maine to build up his arm enough to pitch this year. So entirely possible they both get some more starts this year.
GravediggerHebner
6/5/2010-11:46pm at 11:46 pm (UTC -4)
That’s a fair way to look at it.
I think another fair way to look at it is if hypothetically instead of the team being 5-11 in games started by MO they were 8-8 in games started by guys who had replaced them this March, the team would be 32-24, 1/2 game out of 1st place so that route to the post season would be a little easier.
stickguy
6/6/2010-12:12am at 12:12 am (UTC -4)
sure, if whoever had replaced them at the beginning of the year had done that. But of course, they cold have done worse too!
But with the guys on hand, and the team plan, MO was always going to be given a chance. Sad that it bombed so badly, but they never were going to get a rotation “lock” before the season (unless I guess something fell into their lap) with MO still on hand.
Hopefully though neither one is in the mix next spring.
GravediggerHebner
6/6/2010-1:43am at 1:43 am (UTC -4)
Yes, it is entirely possible that whoever had pitched instead could have been worse, I can’t suggest otherwise. Assuming we’d got exactly what the teams that did sign them are getting, imagine if we’d started this season with any two of Joel Pineiro (3-6) or Randy Wolf (4-5) or Jason Marquis (0-3 20.52 DL) or Doug Davis (1-4 7.56) or guys like Erik Bedard or Justin Duchscherer who either literally have not or almost haven’t even pitched at all.
It definitely could have been worse. And I guess neither guy was never realistically coming here but had I got my John Lackey (6-3) and Jon Garland (6-2) we’d have been much better off. Those guys instead of Maine & Ollie and we are talking 1st place Mets right now.
CaseStreet
6/6/2010-2:05am at 2:05 am (UTC -4)
Wow grave . John and Jon wouldve been awesome. My concern is that we won’t get any real help. I don’t want to wait till next year. I want Omar to do whatever he can to win this year.