UPDATE 5:02pm: It was reported by CNNSI that “MLB received the medical reports from the Mets, reviewed them and said Tuesday the move was fine.”
UPDATE 12:15pm: In an article written by Adam Rubin he says the following,
“An MLB source noted it would be difficult to question a reputable medical provider’s diagnosis, especially since a veteran pitcher almost assuredly has enough wear and tear to turn up something on an MRI. Still, the source added, if the Mets try to keep Perez on the DL for more than the minimum 15-day stay, an issue may arise — since healthy players are not supposed to be hidden on the DL.”
Original Post 10:38am: Matt Cerrone is reporting that according to 2 sources that work for MLB the inquiry into Oliver Perez’s DL stint this past Saturday is not a formality as was initially reported by a NY Daily News reporter but instead “a serious investigation“. Cerrone goes on to say “and there is a chance the transaction gets reversed“.
63 comments
ceetar
6/8/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Not. A. Chance.
For one, reversing the transaction would create bigger cans of worms than reversing the perfect game blown call.
for two, we’re more than halfway through the required DL period.
for three, I’m sure there is something there that’ll fly, given he _did_ have surgery behind his knee, and his velocity was down. It may be as minor as some scar tissue or something, but they will find something and the Mets will be just fine.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
I would think if the player says he feels discomfort the Mets
canI mean can’t force him to pitch even if the X-Rays and MRI’s come back negative right?My question is will the MRI show what the Mets describe as Tendinitis?
metsfan4decades
6/8/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
I’m confused….how can the Mets force him to pitch? Did you mean ‘can’t'?
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
metsfan4decades
6/8/2010-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
Ah…well in that case, I’m in agreement with you. Only way this gets reversed, IMO, is if Ollie says something to the effect that the Mets FO told him to claim he was in pain….
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
Now that would be Front Page stuff.
metsfan4decades
6/8/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
LOL – only the Mets….
I read where Jerry said Ollie came to him and said his knee was bothering him. If that’s true, the Mets had no choice but to DL him – especially if Ollie indicated he can’t pitch through the pain. Now whether or not that pain is real or imagined only Ollie can tell you that but I can’t understand how the Mets could be forced to ‘reverse’ this and tell the player, too bad, suck it up.
joed1
6/8/2010-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
I read the same thing. Manuel was going to the lockerroom and apparently say Oliver Perez in the training room sitting on the examination table and said “whats up”. Perez than said “my knee hurts”. If that’s what went down, I can’t see how the Mets did anything wrong.
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Well, it is nice to see that someone found a way to appropriately use the words “Oliver Perez” and “serious” all in one sentence.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
Cue the drumroll.
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-11:02am at 11:02 am (UTC -4)
metsfan4decades
6/8/2010-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
Hahahaha……
Poor Ollie. Or maybe poor is not the best adjective….
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:03am at 11:03 am (UTC -4)
Why write this story? Isn’t this the only type of investigation that MLB would do? “MLB to start a keystone cops investigation soon…”
trs86
6/8/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
LOL. Good point.
It’s still just a formality UNLESS Ollie claims the Mets told him to lie. If that happens then they would investigate who is right and most likely STILL nothing would be done.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
Well isn’t it obvious? A serious investigation as opposed to what is described as a formality says MLB feels there may have been some wrong doing and may look deeper to see if everything is on the up and up. Where a formality is simply following some preset guidelines in place to make sure they dotted the I’s and crossed the T’s.
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
I guess…
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:18am at 11:18 am (UTC -4)
Tx let me ask you this. If the IRS sent you a letter informing you that they are doing an inquiry on your past tax records and said this is a formality. Would you find that the same as the IRS sending you a letter saying they are doing a serious investigation into your past tax records?
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
Either way, I’d have to change my underwear after reading any letter from the IRS. An inquiry is an inquiry and if they do routine checks and find something wrong, then it is a big big deal.
To me, MLB is doing this to discourage other teams from trying to DL people for making up injuries for basically just sucking or for “mental” concerns (IE, mystery knee injuries when the MRI should be focused on the appendage above the shoulders). If they are going to do that, they need to fine tooth comb every one. I understand that if you tend to look a little harder for the fire when there is a lot of smoke in the air, but putting a rating system on MLB investigations is, to me, just silly. Just say they are investigating. I’m in a good mood (read: the monday from hell, on a tuesday) so I’m not understanding stupidity much today. Which is odd, cause I know I’m riddled with it. I need a coffee or something.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
LoL well thanks for expanding. I guess if you look at it as trying to rate the investigation then I can see why you would react the way you did.
Hope you get that cup of coffee and you have a better day.
For what it’s worth the end result will most likely be much ado about nothing. At least that is the hope but then again this is the same team who had their GM call out a member of the media for trying to go after a man’s job by writing negative stories about him.
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Omar Minaya to MLB investigators: “Ollie was lobby to go on the DL.”
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
PRINT IT!!!
ceetar
6/8/2010-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
I dunno, the IRS just sent me a letter saying “You’re wrong. give us another $1000″
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
Could this actually qualify for a ” -1 “
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
Wow sorry Ceets.
oleosmirf
6/8/2010-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
it means the Phillies, Marlins and Nats complained so the MLB is trying to appease them and try to prevent fake injuries in the future.
obviously nothing will come of this
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
Agreed
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
- Cerrone goes on to say “and there is a chance the transaction gets reversed“.
Well of course there’s “a chance.” If there weren’t “a chance” MLB would not bother to investigate, let alone allow the fact that they were investigating to become public information. But “a chance” may very well be “a snowball’s chance in hell” or as likely as “Oliver Perez pitches the Mets first perfect game in history, then is struck by lightning on the mound immediately after the final out is recorded and explodes showering rare gold coins over rabid Citi fans.”
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
And in a state park in Alberta, Canada, a tree fell in the woods and no one was there to hear it. That’s a No S#@% Sherlock statement from MC. Ok Ok, I’ll get that cup of coffee and breather. I promise.
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
I look at it this way: let’s say this serious investigation turns up actual evidence that Perez is as healthy as he can reasonably be expected to be and that there was no medical/physical reason to put him on the DL.
I don’t know what the rules are in that instance but let’s say the Mets are then forced to immediately reinstate him to the roster.
At that point the relationship between the Mets & Perez is going to be so strained that the only outcome I can see at that point is for the Mets to release him. So this is win-win!
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
:0 True.
And the coffee is wonderful.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Black no sugar?
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
Like I like my women… Caring, compassionate with a touch of “rich daddy”.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
Which Airplane quote should I use? I can’t decide so I’ll use them both.
“Like my men,” said the pre-teen girl.
“He never has a second cup at home,” said the concerned housewife.
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
The Bro was on! Didn’t trip. But the people was freakin.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
You sir are clicking on all cylinders today.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
Well the Mets can be fined significant sum of money and as a result, they can’t get a SP via trade.
But then I doubt it….
trs86
6/8/2010-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
I am not sure there is any precedent for a fine and if so you are not talking millions of dollars either.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
kjclinks June 8, 2010 at 10:49 am
This is a total non-story.
League Office: We believe the Perez injury is false.
Mets: He said his knee is bothering him, prove that it doesnt.
League Office: ahhh, ok.
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-11:49am at 11:49 am (UTC -4)
Even if they could prove it isn’t bothering him “right now” they can’t go back in time and prove it wasn’t bothering him the day he went on the DL.
All they can do is look at the medical records.
Is the Hospital for Special Surgery, a place that already has had to deal with it’s reputation being sullied indirectly by so many Mets injuries in 2009, really going to conspire secretly to fake an injury that further tarnishes it’s own reputation by being associated with yet another Met injury, or far worse risk getting caught falsifying medical tests/records? This whole thing is absurd. They have to check into it, I simply don’t see how anything untoward is going to come from it.
Like someone said above, it’s likely that a division foe asked the league to look into it, and I would not at all be surprised to find that it was the Phillies since the Mets complained to the league about them stealing signs a couple years ago. Coincidentally or not they were caught in a compromising situation regarding that this season and have been a shell of themselves since then.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
I think that is very close to the truth.
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
Related:
The Phillies were “warned” by MLB about sign stealing behaviors on May 11th, they didn’t have a game that day. Their record since then is 10-14.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
As Nelson from the Simpsons would say
“Ha! Ha!”
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
So before that they were 20-12 and after 10-14?
We should complain more often.
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
Plus, for the whole season (56 games so far) the Phils have averaged 4.52 runs per game.
For just the 24 games since the “warning” they’ve scored 3.29 per game.
Both the record and the runs could be a coincidence, I don’t think there is a smoking gun.
If you put any stock in BABIP for example both Ibanez & Utley are 0.51 below their career norms, Vickie is 0.34 below, so that’s 3 guys that could be described as “hitting into bad luck.”
But it is interesting how the record and the runs scored change for the worse post-warning.
trs86
6/8/2010-12:14pm at 12:14 pm (UTC -4)
Here’s my question on that stat. Just because a guy is making contact does that mean that the balls should eventually find a hole? What if that contact is a slow dribbler to 2nd base where it used to be a line drive?
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
I can’t say for sure. I’ll just go back to the old “tool in the toolbox” thing.
My limited experience is, yes there could be other factors like hard hit versus dribbler, but in general I have noticed that is a correlation over large sample sizes between BA & BABIP.
I would not say it is a universally perfect indicator.
Utley could be hitting the ball less hard due to hip injury, Ibanez less hard due to being old, whatever, there are other factors. Or they could be hitting it as hard as ever but into bad luck. Tool in the toolbox.
trs86
6/8/2010-12:26pm at 12:26 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Also if you notice guys like Wright have a very good BABIP. I always thought well of course their average is higher than everyone else, they are better hitters.
prismo
6/8/2010-11:56am at 11:56 am (UTC -4)
I can’t completely buy into it, but I’m leaning toward Ollie being DFA’d very soon. With this investigation underway, they won’t be able to prolong his DL stint, meaning a real decision will have to be made. I don’t see how they put him back in the bullpen or replace Dickey/Taka with him at this time.
trs86
6/8/2010-12:16pm at 12:16 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t see how this investigation will speed up the process at all. 15 days no pitching at all, back to the doc for another MRI. If that does not clear then 15 more. If it does then you have extended ST pitching, minor league rehab…. If they wanted the Mets would easily not have to deal with Ollie before the AS Break. Might as well see if he regains any usefulness in his rehab starts.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
Isn’t it a known fact that you can always find something from major league pitcher?
trs86
6/8/2010-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
Yup, it’s the timing that they are most likely looking at. But the Mets are covered by saying well Ollie did not bring us an issue with pain until Friday.
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-12:28pm at 12:28 pm (UTC -4)
The draft is back underway. I can do an updating post for a few hours, up til 4:00pm anyway then I’ll have to stop – not sure how long they’re going today.
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
Do it do it!
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
Mets pick at 89, Pirates just took Mel Rojas Jr. with 84.
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
I’m waiting for Sandy Koufax the 3rd.
trs86
6/8/2010-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
Mets select TKNJ from some college in NY….
UH…
LOL.
OK so they got the guy from UT.
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
Can you imagine? TK Blasting Management for DWright’s clutchness after a bad outing…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah a catcher.
stickguy
6/8/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
And he is a catcher. Gotta have one of them or you get a lot of passed balls.
stickguy
6/8/2010-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
the league doesn’t have the stones to do anything more than blustering and sabre rattling. No way they are going to take on a club like the Mets over this. Selig and his boys talk a good game, but specialize in head in the sand action.
and even if they did flex some muscle and try to force ythe Mets to activate Ollie as soon as the 15 days are up, if he really knew he wasn’t ready, it would be a perfect out to do a voluntary extra 20 days in the minors, since he was already there, and they would have the league order to hide behind (put on the martyr act).
somehow stretching this out to the ASB would be great. By then, the Mets should have a good idea of where they stand (race wise), how maine/dickey/taka are doing, and what if any extra SPs they can bringin from the outside.
who knows, in a month, OLlie might be looking crisp, and the Mets could have a hole in the rotation again! I do expect to see him as a Sp again at some point this year.
oleosmirf
6/8/2010-6:53pm at 6:53 pm (UTC -4)
too bad the league cant make today the official first day of his DL stint