First off I would like to congratulate the Mets and their first round draft pick Matt Harvey . May this be the start of a beautiful relationship that spans the next decade or so ( if not us fans will probably get on your case about not drafting Michael Choice or Karsten Whitson). I am the first person to admit that I don’t follow college baseball, so for me to comment about the quality of the players we select would be as erroneous as if Mo Vaughn claimed to be a pilates expert !
So here we are in the first week of June and we are in third place, just two and a half games out of first. I don’t think many disenfranchised fans would have thought that the Mets would be this close this far into the season ( especially with the way this team started so slowly). But I don’t think this team is can be truly considered a contender yet. The rotation with the exception of Johan, Pelf – and to a lesser extent Jonathan Niese is pretty much a crap shoot. I like R.A. Dickey and Takahashi. but lets face it, we can only ride these two horses until the break down ( and Taka is already being figured out by the advance scouts from the other teams). So what happens when the trade deadline comes and the Mets are still in the thick of it? Do we go after a Cliff Lee or a Roy Oswalt -risking most of our upper tier prospects? Do we try to swing a deal for either a Kevin Millwood , a Jake Westbrook or even a Francisco Carmona? Or does our front office share the same mentality as Mike Francesa and swing a trade with the Toronto Blue Jays , which we would trade Angel Pagan and a mid level prospect or two for Vernon Wells and his horrible contract along with stud pitchers Brett Cecil and Rickey Romero? I don’t think the Mets even would consider that deal with over 120 million dollars committed to one player – but hey we are talking about a team that brought Bobby Bonilla back for a second tour of duty.
The other question is what to do with John Maine and Oliver Perez if and when they come off from the disabled list. Maine has been throwing batting practice, but there has been no word if he has regained any of his lost velocity. I don’t see the Mets cutting him mid season, but I do see them trying him in the bullpen or stashing him down in Buffalo – carefully monitoring him to see if he improving. Ollie – well is Ollie . My hopes are that they just d.l him for the rest of the season, since we know they don’t have the stones to release him and the twenty million dollars that’s still owed to him. Which brings me to my next question, If the Milwaukee Brewers – a team in a mid level market, can release pitcher Jeff Suppan ( a 12 million dollar bust), why are the Mets so obstinatewhen it comes to Perez ? It seems pretty obvious that the rest of the players on our team have very little faith in him when h is on the mound, so wouldn’t eating the remainder of his contract be prudent move to make ? By the way in Adam Rubin’s ESPN online column, he has reported that Duaner Sanchez has most recently been pitching in the Mexican League and has recently joined the Sussex Skyhawks of the Can-Am League, where in 3 1/3 innings he has recorded four saves and has allowed only one hit. His fastball is said to be back in the low to mid ’90′s. Maybe we should give him another shot ? Your thoughts ?
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And with that said …. HERE COMES THE INFAMY !!!
Pitcher for the ’67 team, Joe Grzenda is 73 (1937) .
One time catcher of the future John Gibbons is 48 (1962).He was to be the Mets everyday catcher in ’85 – until he broke his jaw during a game, and he was never the same.
Pitcher, Dave Mlicki is 42 (1968) Who could forget when he gave the Mets their first ever subway series victory against the Yankees !
New York Mets selected infielder,Ken Boswell in fourth round of free agent draft on June 8, 1965.
New York Mets selected pitcher Jim McAndrew in the 11th round of free agent draft on June 8, 1965. He was a mainstay in the Mets rotation from ’68-’73.
New York Mets selected pitcher , Don Shaw in the 35th round of free agent draft on June 8, 1965.
New York Mets selected future Hall Of Fame flame thrower,Nolan Ryan in the 10th round of free agent draft on June 8, 1965. He is the ultimate ” one who got away” in Mets history. Can you believe he wasn’t drafted until the tenth round ?!?!
New York Mets selected pitcher, Les Rohr in first round (second pick overall) of free agent draft on June 8, 1965.
New York Mets selected third baseman, Joe Moock in the third round of free agent draft on June 8, 1965.
New York Mets sold pitcher, Cal Koonce to the Boston Red Sox on June 8, 1970.
New York Mets selected pitcher,Rick Baldwin in ninth round of free agent draft on June 8, 1971.
New York Mets selected third baseman, Rich Puig in the first round (14th pick overall) of free agent draft on June 8, 1971. All I can say is WHO !!!
New York Mets selected reliever,Neil Allen in 11th round of free agent draft on June 8, 1976. He was serviceable in his time with the Mets, but I wasn’t shedding a tear when we traded him for Keith Hernandez !
New York Mets selected pitcher,Mike Scott in the second round of free agent draft on June 8, 1976. God I hated him when he sucked for the Mets – and I despised him when he was the ace of the Astros !
New York Mets selected outfielder,Terry Blocker in first round (fourth pick overall) of free agent draft on June 8, 1981.
New York Mets selected outfielder, John Christensen in second round of free agent draft on June 8, 1981.
New York Mets selected outfielder, Lou Thornton in the 19th round of free agent draft on June 8, 1981.
New York Mets selected outfielder, Mark Carreonin the eighth round of free agent draft on June 8, 1981.
New York Mets selected Lenny ” Nails”Dykstra in the 12th round of free agent draft on June 8, 1981. I hope that Lenny can get his life back in order – he’s a mess !
New York Mets released outfielder,Rodney McCray on June 8, 1992. Rodney was better know and the guy who crashed through a fence during a minor league game.
New York Mets traded future admitted steroid user, first baseman, David Segui to the Montreal Expos for pitcher, Reid Cornelius on June 8, 1995.
New York Mets released pitcher, Jon Nunnally on June 8, 2000. And the Mets fanbase collectively yawned.
New York Mets signed free agent utility infielder,José Offerman on June 8, 2005.
And today’s Mo Vaughn tidbit – He prefers Tavis Smiley over Tyra Banks.
61 comments
dirtysanchez
6/8/2010-8:14am at 8:14 am (UTC -4)
Well…I think we should trade Ollie to the mexican league for duaner but that’s just me….
Bottom line is just as you said rus, teams are willing to admit mistakes and FIX them. Angels did it with gmj and now brewers did it with soup. Mets need to take a look around and see it’s ok to eat a mistake once in a while….it’s for the good of the team. You already paid for ollie, it’s not going to change if u keep him or not.
rustyjr
6/8/2010-8:44am at 8:44 am (UTC -4)
I definitely agree – I just wonder if they are afraid some other team will fix him at the mets expense ! Honestly I liked Ollie before he showed us his true cora – but now I don’t think he will ever be a servicable front line starter .
trs86
6/8/2010-8:48am at 8:48 am (UTC -4)
He will never be a DEPENDABLE front line starter but for half seasons especially he could/can be incredible. It would not shock me at all for Ollie to have a 2nd half like he did in 2008 nor would it shock me for him to keep sucking. That’s the difference in him and a guy like Suppan or GMJR. Those guys are old and there is basically no chance of them not sucking.
trs86
6/8/2010-8:46am at 8:46 am (UTC -4)
The Mets admit mistakes all the time. Jacobs is gone, GMJR is gone, Murphy is out of LF, Heilman is gone, Show is gone. If you are saying they don’t eat big name contracts well they only have 2 that are in that position. There is no point in releasing Castillo and at this point as long as they can figure out a way to keep Ollie either by DL or AAA there is no reason to release him either. It’s not like he is 5 years removed from being successful. He’s a year and 1/3.
rustyjr
6/8/2010-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
I do agree with you with slappy – besides this is the last year of his contract and I begrudgingly admit he has played well for us but Ollie is a much bigger drain on us financially and I can’t see him ever returning to his former self – I think Dave Duncan would even pass in him
trs86
6/8/2010-8:55am at 8:55 am (UTC -4)
Hate to break it to you but we got another year of Slappy.
As for returning to his former self? This is his exact former self. Great, lose it, find it, great, lose it, find it….
rustyjr
6/8/2010-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
Damn I thought this was the last year of his deal
gategem
6/8/2010-8:36am at 8:36 am (UTC -4)
Rusty there an an article on Taka in today’s Newsday. I will quoted it here for those of you that are not able to access the website.
By DAVID LENNON david.lennon@newsday.com
“With Oliver Perez banished to Port St. Lucie, the clock on Hisanori Takahashi’s stay in the rotation probably won’t start until John Maine finally makes it to a rehab assignment, which could take another week. Maine is scheduled to pitch a batting-practice session before tonight’s series opener against the Padres at Citi Field, and with Jerry Manuel still skeptical of him, the Mets aren’t that eager to have Maine return to a starting role.
The two determining factors in that equation, however, are Takahashi and knuckleballer R.A. Dickey. Unlike Takahashi, Dickey has not shown the same recent cracks in his performance, which puts the pressure squarely on the Japanese rookie.
Since his 12 scoreless innings against the Yankees and Phillies, Takahashi has allowed a total of 14 hits and 11 runs in 9 1/3 innings.
The Mets insist that the problem with Takahashi is one of execution, not familiarity. But Padres hitting coach Randy Ready was predictably tight-lipped when asked about his team’s success against Takahashi May 31 at PETCO Park – and that was the first time through the order.
Was it a case of Takahashi tipping his off-speed pitches? The Padres jumped on them in fastball counts, but Ready, smiling, said, “I’m not going to give up any of our information. You know better than that. I thought we just did a good job staying on his stuff.”
Takahashi has five pitches he can throw at different speeds on both sides of the plate. He also has a delayed leg kick that often can mess with a hitter’s timing, especially if he hasn’t seen him before.
There’s really no way to prepare for it. Padres catcher Nick Hundley had a pair of hits, including a two-run double. “It was getting the timing down,” he said, “and try not to be too distracted by the leg kick.”
Pitching coach Dan Warthen blamed Takahashi’s problems that night on a “dead-arm” period, not unlike what pitchers experience in their third start of spring training, which is sort of what that was for him. He also is adjusting to a five-day rotation – rather than a six-day rotation in Japan – and a brief stretch without trainer Yoichi Terada, who had to return to Japan temporarily because of visa issues.
Terada is expected back for Takahashi’s next start, which will be Saturday in Baltimore, and the Mets aren’t too concerned about his struggles yet. But there is a question about his in-game adjustments, with teams batting .212 the first time through the lineup and .353 afterward. “I think what has to happen is possibly that third or second time through, there might have to be some changes in strategy that he uses to attack the hitters,” Jerry Manuel said.
Takahashi understands the need to stay one step ahead of the scouting reports. “I know they do their homework,” he said through an interpreter. “I just have to do a better job.”"
trs86
6/8/2010-8:43am at 8:43 am (UTC -4)
There’s a big difference in Suppan and Perez. One Suppan is 35 years old. Two he is only signed for this season and owed 10.8M. Three he has not had an ERA under 4.00 in 5 years. Four the Brewers are 12 games under .500.
rustyjr
6/8/2010-8:47am at 8:47 am (UTC -4)
Understood but the brewers also owes suppana a 2 million dollar buyout
trs86
6/8/2010-8:48am at 8:48 am (UTC -4)
That’s included in the 10.8.
rustyjr
6/8/2010-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
I read it was 12 all together – I think it was mlbtr
trs86
6/8/2010-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
I saw 12 on MB but this on MLBTR:
“The Brewers released pitcher Jeff Suppan, reports Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. By my calculation, the Brewers still owe Suppan $10.08MM, which includes a $2MM buyout after the season.”
fongy2
6/8/2010-8:59am at 8:59 am (UTC -4)
Biggest difference w/Suppan and Ollie is between the ears!
Give Ollie Suppan’s brain and
maybe just maybe the last yr and a half of the contract
wouldn’t be such a killer!
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-9:03am at 9:03 am (UTC -4)
You think it’s like the demented king of Rohan, with evil sorcerer Boras whispering lies and sweet nothings in his ear?
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
Joe Moock–One of the all-time great sports names.
And Maine has actually been throwing batting practice in games for a while too….
As for Ollie, sorry buddy, I still say don’t release him. Punish him, for the entire length of the deal if possible.
DL him, badger him to go to the minors, let his teammates hate him, and basically do all you can to ruin his life. He has somewhat surprisingly become not only a ridiculous and useless liability on the field, but a revoltingly selfish blockhead off the field as well.
I don’t know about Suppan’s situation, but my guess would be his age might be a factor, and also, maybe Suppan did everything asked of him and just couldn’t pitch anymore?
Anyway, I say let Ollie rot in FLA, in the minors, wherever.
The Mets should paraphrase what Mr. Lipnick said to Barton Fink at the end of that movie:
“The fans tried to convince me to release you too, but that would be too easy. No, you’re under contract and you’re gonna stay that way. Anything you throw will be the property of the New York Mets. And the New York Mets will not let you pitch. Not until you grow up a little. You ain’t no pitcher, Ollie – you’re a god**** write-off.”
njstuckintx
6/8/2010-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
King, don’t hold back man. Just tell us how you really feel.
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
I have been trying to overcome my shyness and inability to express myself since childhood; I will work harder.
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:12am at 9:12 am (UTC -4)
I think with a guy like Suppan
it’s likey he just can’t pitch anymore. And “pitch” is the key
word there. The guy is a pitcher. Give him credit,after
hurting his arm years ago,he
came back,learned how to pitch,
had a decent career,won some big games&made alot of money
throwing junk…BUT knowing HOW
to throw that junk.
Ollie on the other hand is a
lost cause.Never knew “how” to
“pitch” when he had a big arm
AND now that he’s lost alot of
his”stuff” is useless!
trs86
6/8/2010-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
While true. Suppan never had the talent that Ollie has and their career numbers to this point are very similar in terms of ERA and WHIP, Ollie having the slight edge in ERA and Suppan the ever so slight edge in WHIP.
stickguy
6/8/2010-9:09am at 9:09 am (UTC -4)
hopefully harver Pelfs instead of Holts. at least he has the body and arm to give you hope he works out.
And like TRS said, the ollie situation is different than Suppan or GMjr. It isn’t that the Mets are to cheap to eat the contract (and yes, they understand sunk cost, and the fact they are paying it anyway). ANd it isn’t exactly that they would be embarrassed to admit a mistake (The ship pretty much sailed when you have a public fight about getting sent to the minors).
bottom line is that they still feel he has the potentail to harness enough of his talent to be a viable SP. and since they are paying him, they would like it to be for the MEts. Once they give up on that notion, he will be gone.
Suppan had proven he didn’t have anything left, and showed no indication that it would come back. so he was gone.
ANd GM had to blow chuncks for years before the Angels finally gave up on him. They stayed with him longer than the Mets have with ollie.
Last year Ollie was hurt. And he only got what, 8 starts this year? Not exactly a real chance to get his act together, hence wanting to try to do it at AAA. And that is a wise business decision, something many people here don’t give the Met FO credit for being able to do.
trs86
6/8/2010-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
Right the Mets and Ollie played a big game of chicken and called it a draw. Ollie was well within his rights and so were the Mets by letting him rot. Sometimes baseball or any sport is still a business. Just like how football players hold out for a better contract. Selfish yes, hurt the team yes, but this is their livelihood and money maker so until we are lucky enough to be in that spot I have no idea.
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Selfish to the point of
“screw the TEAM”.
Plus, he gets paid whether he pitches or
not…This ain’t the NFL.
Mr North Jersey
6/8/2010-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
Thank you for saying that. I could see if he was at risk of losing his millions if sent down. This was nothing more than his selfish pride.
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
Again,Suppan wasn’t given-up on too quicky b/c he’s shown
he can win w/o great stuff.
Ollie on the other hand hasn’t always shown he could win when
he had it…..Which he clearly
doesn’t anymore.
stickguy
6/8/2010-9:22am at 9:22 am (UTC -4)
Ollie is 28. Few pitchers at that age suddenly lose their FB, unless they are injuried. If that isn’t the case with ollie, then that leaves mechanical, right?
So, rest the knee to make sure that isn’t part of the problem. I suspect it isn’t, which mean it is Warthen related.
bottom line, there has to be a chance that Ollie can get “it”, what ever “it” is that he lost, back. Hopefully whichever MiL PCs he is going to work with can find it.
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:28am at 9:28 am (UTC -4)
The wild delivery often
catches up with these types…
See for example
KRod and Dontrel
and what they’ve lost off
their Fastballs.
Similar ages,both waaaay
better pitchers than Ollie.
KRod’s been able to make adjusts,Dontrel
not so much.I’m not sayin’eat his contract,but
bury him.If not in the minors then in the back of the Pen
for blow-out games. A team like this one,with little room for error simply CANNOT have this guy starting games.
trs86
6/8/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
You can’t compare Dontrelle to Perez as far as delivery. Dontrelle physically got to fat for his own good.
As far as him starting games, no need right now for sure. Hopefully once off the DL he goes to pitch a few extended ST games, then minor league games and we have a better idea.
trs86
6/8/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
Ollie also has a history that Suppan does not and that is stinking, coming back to be great, stinking, coming back to be great, stinking….
rustyjr
6/8/2010-9:17am at 9:17 am (UTC -4)
Wasn’t there a phantom injury with ollies knee ? I know he had survey but remember when asked which knee was bothering him – he pointed to the wrong knee – I guess we should be glad that there is only o e year left on his contract -oh and I didn’t say the mers were cheap I was just wondering why small market teams weren’t afraid to cut bait on huge contracts
stickguy
6/8/2010-9:25am at 9:25 am (UTC -4)
big market teams do it, as well as small market teams. It depends more on the specific situation.
I doubt many if any teams would have cut Ollie already, given the same set of circumstances. They would still be trying to work out the problems to get some value for the money.
Blanton has #s just as bad as Ollie this year, and the Phils haven’t cut him!
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
Thats b/c Blantons working his way
BACK from injury.
trs86
6/8/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
Well believe it or not it’s possible that Ollie still is not healthy. That could explain the loss in velocity.
trs86
6/8/2010-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
Who says the Mets are afraid to cut bait on him? Again maybe they rightfully or wrongfully feel they can still get a return on their investment.
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
PEDs are most definitely also a possibility.
LOTS of pitcers used them, the 2006 Mets (the team Ollie arrived here to) had LoDuca and Mota at least as users, and it is entirely possible Ollie (and Maine and Sanchez) were using and stopped, and that is the reason for the loss of their velocity.
Evidence? No. Just trying to throw out a very reasonable explanation for what MIGHT have occurred. Considering Ollie’s apparent void between the ears and desire for money, this is indeed not a totally unreasonable possibility, and certainly would explain Ollie’s dramatic improvement in 2007 and 2008 over 2005 and 2006.
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
Could be Brock, BUT you know…As long as you’re following this
game, Ollie is just one of these guys with
a ton of talent who doesn’t know what he’s
doing…AND worse, is
pig-headed.
NOW, he’s still doesn’t know how to pitch,doesn’t want to listen to any one AND
likely b/c of the wild delivery has lost some
of his velocity.
So as you know, what’s left?..A pitcher with
ordinary stuff,a wild delivery,no control,
who doesn’t “know how”
to pitch…AND is too
thick headed to listen
to those paid to help him.
Not a great combo!
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
Well, it sure is hard to argue with a single word of that!
trs86
6/8/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
It’s possible but in 2007, his best season with the Mets his velocity was not what it was in Pitt.
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
It sure was much better than it has been in 2009 and 2010.
metsfan4decades
6/8/2010-9:20am at 9:20 am (UTC -4)
It would be in the Mets best interest to work with or help Ollie with the full extent of what they have available. Of course…Ollie has to cooperate.
If nothing else, if Ollie figures out enough how to actually pitch with the talent he has, we’ll either get some wins out of him or he will be easier to move in a trade.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-9:35am at 9:35 am (UTC -4)
If this is Ollie’s walk year, he’s already gone. I think that’s the difference. I’m not saying that the Mets are cheap to eat the money, but I think it’s more of getting some sort of return in your investment before giving up.
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-9:39am at 9:39 am (UTC -4)
Absolutely agree.
He should not get a 20-mil, 2 year vacation as a result of 2 years of sucking, being out of shape, and refusing to go to the minors.
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
A little friggin late for that with THIS GM!
How many guys and tens of Millions have been given away
to guys the past few seasons
to either sit on the DL and/or
show they are ghosts of their
former selfs???
stickguy
6/8/2010-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
probably no more than most every other team. At least the ones with a normal budget.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
I agree. I believe almost all the teams out there have 1-2 bad contracts. Look at the Yankees. Pavano, Igawa to name a few.
Other names..
Ibanez
DTrain
Helton
Magg O
etc…
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
I disagree. I realize that there has been a lot of DL stints and phantom injuries (to Maine & Ollie) lately, but I think Omar has done good enough job on any other signings.
Other than Ollie, who has the Mets wasted their money on recently? I believe Luis’ contract is fair at $6M/year, but the unattractive part is the length of the contract. Again, Luis has had bad year in ’08, but he has played relatively well since despite some injuries. And I really don’t think he is being overpaid per annual basis.
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Please stop!
I don’t have time to go over the list right
now since I have to leave for the Dentist.
But I’ll leave you with two names El Duque
And Fongul Alou!
trs86
6/8/2010-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Neither cost the Mets a ton of money relatively. El Duque actually pitched 250 quality innings for the Mets.
stickguy
6/8/2010-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
about the only legit part of the arguement was bringing Alou back (I forget the exact details on how his contract unfolded). THe first year was a reasonable deal, but going to the well a 2nd time was not too good of an idea (and not in hindsight only).
Duque deserved what he got. SOmetimes guys get hurt. It happens. DOesn’t mean you can’t sign anyone. At lest it was a 1 year deal at the time.
trs86
6/8/2010-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
Alou being picked up was really a no brainer too. They could have released him and got nothing but it’s not like there was anything on the market to fill that LF spot without paying for a bad contract like Lee.
trs86
6/8/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Actually when you think about it what big market team only has 2 duds and one of them only a slight dud (Castillo). The Mets have done a very good job of late not locking themselves into incredibly bad contracts. Beltran’s may prove to be but damn I would have signed that deal 11/10 times.
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-11:11am at 11:11 am (UTC -4)
You are so right.
People keep wanting to harp on Ollie and Slappy, and with reason, but how about the Lackey deal we did not sign? Pineiro? Marquis?
Omar did a GREAT job this year so far, has money to spend, and our system is loaded with prospects, and looking better every day. He must be given much of the credit for this.
And Beltran’s deal was fine. The guy has been one of the most productive players in the game overall the last 4 years.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
“The Mets have done a very good job of late…”..
“of late” is the keyword there. Otherwise you have Pedro who’s played like 20 games over 4 years.
stickguy
6/8/2010-9:42am at 9:42 am (UTC -4)
as for duaner, if he really seems to have his stuff back, sure sign him to a MiL deal. If he works out, fantastic. If not, no biggee.
fongy2
6/8/2010-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
Agreed!
Kingman 26
6/8/2010-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
No way.
Onward my co-pilot, not backward.
No Pedro, no Duaner, no, no, no.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
Given the prospect-cost, salary, age, experience, reputation etc… who would you have?
Millwood
Westbrook
Guthrie
Myers
saltygary
6/8/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Westbrook is the best of the bunch IMO and it shouldn’t cost all that much seeing he makes 11 million.
Millwood has been pretty irrelevant for the last few years and he makes more than Westbrook.
I really dont know much about Guthrie. Looking at his stats he looks comparable to a Ian Snell. If thats a good comparison then no thanks.
For Myers, is there really anything left in the tank for that guy as a starter? I think the Philies may have had the right idea having him come out of the pen.
stickguy
6/8/2010-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
well, we don’t know the prospect cost. But, let’s assume it is pretty low, and the same for each guy (maybe that is what you want us to do?)
Based on that, Myers is my first choice. He has been pitching well as a SP (at least the last time I checked), is way cheaper (leaving more money for other things, like Jeffy’s Ferrari collection), and if needed, he can pitch (quite well) out of the pen.
2nd choice is Millwood, for healthy and expected reliability. I don’t trust Westbrook really, but if he comes cheap, OK.
ANd doesn’t Guthrie just stink?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/8/2010-11:22am at 11:22 am (UTC -4)
Guthrie’s numbers are not all that bad if you exclude ’09 season. Not to mention the fact that he’s pitching in the toughest division in baseball. He’s known for pitching inside which I think would be great facing Vicky and Utley. But Guthrie makes only $3M this season and still is in arb years (I think). So, it might cost more prospect.
I like Myers too, just because he knows the division well and supposedly hates the Phillies (according to Joe & Evan). But I do question his reputation and presence in the clubhouse being a long time Philly.
I think you’d be okay with all 4 choices. I just thought they were interesting options for the Mets to explore.
Saw the 4 names on Daily News article…
GravediggerHebner
6/8/2010-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
I prefer Tavis Smiley to Tyra Banks, too. I’m not a “big forehead” guy.